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| Stskeeps | zzz | 05:11 |
| Jucato | coffee in prague? :) | 05:20 |
| iekku | i think they prefer absinthe :P | 05:21 |
| Ronksu | morning. | 05:28 |
| Ronksu | coffee is overrated :) | 05:28 |
| iekku | Ronksu, absinthe for you also? | 05:30 |
| dcthang | heh, finlandia | 05:30 |
| Jucato | not for Stskeeps. coffee is vital! | 05:30 |
| dcthang | or one shot of Koskenkorva | 05:31 |
| Ronksu | iekku: pretty much anything goes. | 05:33 |
| Bostik | absinthe is evil | 05:33 |
| Bostik | never again! | 05:34 |
| Ronksu | iekku: although I just filled myself with a huge mug of tea, and hsould probably continue the journey towards office. | 05:34 |
| Ronksu | Bostik: never again before the next time. | 05:34 |
| Paimen | tea with absinthe mm mm mmm | 05:34 |
| Bostik | Ronksu: never again, period | 05:34 |
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| Bostik | I *like* how absinthe tastes with burnt sugar; I *enjoyed* the vivid and colourful dreams it gave me | 05:35 |
| Ronksu | :D | 05:35 |
| Bostik | ... until that one time which gave such horrible nightmares and caused me to wake up in a spasm of anxiety | 05:35 |
| Bostik | NEVER AGAIN! | 05:35 |
| Ronksu | point taken :) | 05:35 |
| Bostik | being hung over I can take, being unsure whether I'm awake and having doubts to what would be the better answer is something I'd prefer not to experience with any frequency | 05:38 |
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| dcthang | hello, which is the most suitable SDK for Meego CE? | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | qt sdk typically | 07:17 |
| dcthang | which one handset or tablet I mean? | 07:18 |
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| Stskeeps | just do QML in general, if you can do it with harmattan qt components that is good | 07:18 |
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| harbaum | I wonder if it's time to stop promote qml. qt components differ significantly for the two plattforms supported atm (harmattan and symbian) and both have an expiration date | 07:24 |
| dcthang | okay, so no problem at all | 07:24 |
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| Stskeeps | harbaum: harmattan's qt components is surprisingily little tied to actual harmattan | 07:25 |
| harbaum | i have given up on using qml. the only plattform that really requires to use it is harmattan. all other ploattforms support plainqt nicely and the n9 isn't even available in most countries. | 07:26 |
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| Stskeeps | mm | 07:26 |
| harbaum | but there's no othe rplattform that actaully uses it and imho it's nokias property and it wouldn't even be legal to use it on a different device | 07:26 |
| dcthang | why you gave up QML? | 07:26 |
| * Jucato doesn't get the stop promoting QML because Qt Components ____. | 07:26 | |
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| w00t | harbaum: it's perfectly legal, look at the licensing ... | 07:27 |
| Jucato | which is he referring to as "no other platform that actually uses it and it's nokia's property"? QML? Qt Components? or the Harmattan Qt Components specifically? | 07:28 |
| w00t | (hint: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt-components/qt-components/blobs/master/header.BSD) | 07:28 |
| w00t | (i'm also not sure why you seem to think they differ, as apart from imports, they have the same base API, plus some extra platform-specific components) | 07:29 |
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| Jucato | isn't that the purpose of Qt COmponents? having a base API on which other platform-specific components (like harmattan's, kde plasma's) can be built? | 07:29 |
| w00t | there's also the 'custom' branch which provides a single set of components with zero platform-specific dependencies, which can run anywhere | 07:30 |
| w00t | Jucato: ideally | 07:30 |
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| Stskeeps | morn veskuh | 07:35 |
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| veskuh | Goor morn Stskeeps. | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | what was the url for your mer-nemo image review? | 07:36 |
| veskuh | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Vesku | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | i'm listening to ixonos' president of global services's commercial version of my hacking your existence keynote :P | 07:38 |
| Jucato | isn't the "mer" in nemo redundant? | 07:38 |
| harbaum | w00t: So why is kate then asking people to copy files from the ctual device etc?http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2011/06/23/nokia-meego-1.2-harmattan-qt-quick-components | 07:38 |
| Jucato | or are there plans for Nemo to have other bases? | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: technically nemo could at some point rebase on something else | 07:38 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: enjoying it? | 07:38 |
| harbaum | She sais the theme graphics are proprietary. And the components without graphics are rather useless | 07:38 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: ah | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: except for the singing part and it was a bit odd audience as target, yes.. | 07:39 |
| harbaum | dcthang: because it's only required for harmattan and one can't even buy a harmattan device in my home country | 07:39 |
| xruxa | harbaum: I have made custom theming for Qt components for the ones I need in my apps. It is lot of work though ... | 07:40 |
| w00t | harbaum: CE has an openly licensed theme, so that isn't a problem | 07:40 |
| Jucato | harbaum: even if that were true, that doesn't mean it's true for Qt Components in general, much less QML itself. | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: we had a quite good Mer day yesterday, we got like five minutes in Dawn's Tizen talk to talk about Mer, so, and meeting a loto f interesting people | 07:41 |
| Jucato | so "stop promoting QML" because the harmattan QML components are "broken" doesn't make sense (to me) | 07:41 |
| xruxa | though it does not mean Nokia/Kate should put this together and officially add free QtComponents graphics to git somewhere | 07:42 |
| Jucato | ("broken" for lack of a more general term for the situation you're describing about it) | 07:42 |
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| xruxa | veskuh: do you feel the applcaunched/booster actually works (is in makes things faster) - I did some measurements and could not see difference :( | 07:44 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: really nice, hopefully that will turn in to commits :) | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: widgets gallery booster really surprised me in speed on the nemo image | 07:44 |
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| xruxa | Stskeeps: cool, will need a nemo image (as soon as sshd works out of box pls) | 07:44 |
| veskuh | xruxa: yes, it works if it is not starving out of memory again | 07:44 |
| veskuh | but when we are running out of memory swapping will kill the benefit | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | i saw a talk yesterday about someone who used ramzswap/compcache on meego n900 | 07:45 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: how was your talk? is it over? (couldn't see your name in the schedule) | 07:46 |
| xruxa | I'm playing now with QtComponent based html5 runners now and those would be lovely is applauncherd works. Now it is 4 seconds launch times on N900. | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: wasn't a whole talk | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: just five minutes within another talk | 07:46 |
| Jucato | faster-than-lightning talk | 07:46 |
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| Jucato | like when you were invited on stage at las year's meegoconf? | 07:47 |
| Jucato | last* | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | ish, yeah | 07:47 |
| veskuh | xruxa: hmm.. actually at summer there was some boosters that had bugs since we had old version of it. | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | ancient version, too | 07:48 |
| xruxa | Stskeeps: how fast is widgetsgallery (boosted) on the Mer image - I get 1 second non boosted on the current image | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: like 0.5sec ish | 07:49 |
| xruxa | :) | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111020.1.CE.2011-10-25.1/images/ | 07:51 |
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| * xruxa is getting his N9 on Monday - then N900 is 100% for Nemo playtime :) | 07:52 | |
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| harbaum | Jucato: No problem, feel free to promote whatever you think it's appropriate. I have moved my efforts from qml and meego/harmattan to plain qt on symbian and perhaps mer and i am having good results | 08:03 |
| harbaum | I have spent some weeks learning aml and porting my stuff to qml and qt componentns, but the workload/possible audience ratio has turned out to be not worth the effort | 08:04 |
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| Jucato | harbaum: I'm not promoting anything and having issues about it. you were the one who said "<harbaum> I wonder if it's time to stop promote qml." so I asked about that | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | good thing we can all work together on a core while disagreeing on the UI approaches :P | 08:07 |
| Mirv | harbaum: hi.. I still think QML would work just as fine on S60 5th edition, Symbian^3 and Maemo 5, since all of those support Qt 4.7.. and all new Symbian^3 work like the Belle is in QML. but of course there is a free choice. | 08:07 |
| harbaum | Jucato: Uhm, correct :-) | 08:07 |
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| harbaum | Mirv: Yes, but i don't need to rewrite anything for these. I can just recompile existing stuff | 08:08 |
| Mirv | the longer term question is of course Qt5 transition which affects aeveryone | 08:08 |
| Jucato | harbaum: I was just trying to ask for your reasons. that's all. no political agenda or whatever. | 08:08 |
| Mirv | harbaum: yep | 08:08 |
| xruxa | but he is 100% right - there is no clear position from Qt/Nokia on the theme/graphics for com.nokia.meego version of QtComponents :( | 08:08 |
| Mirv | did anyone happen to have any information if a non-QML Qt application can be some way made non-ugly on Harmattan? | 08:08 |
| Mirv | there was a hint about "MApplication" instead of "QApplication", but that was probably not any real information about helping with the issue | 08:09 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: and still people want Mer to bless a UX and/or hardware adaptation. sheesh -_- | 08:09 |
| xruxa | hehehe, there was theme for QtGui but IIRC it was axed - those apps would look bad anyway | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: ncurses as main UX! | 08:09 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: why not! :) | 08:09 |
| Jucato | in fact, why does it have to be graphics at all? no body said "UX" was "GUI" right? :) | 08:10 |
| xruxa | Jucato: isn't that the whole point of one Mer and many UXs on top of it? | 08:10 |
| Jucato | for a sysadmin on the road, the perfect UX would be a portable device with a keyboard and a command line | 08:10 |
| Mirv | we just need touch input extension for ncurses | 08:10 |
| Jucato | xruxa: yes. unfortunately, some people believe that it will be more successful to steer it some other way ... oh well | 08:11 |
| * Jucato is just content to have experience Plasma Active on Mer on the N900 ... | 08:12 | |
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| faenil | morning :) | 09:08 |
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| cxl000 | morning slaine how goes you OBS adventures? | 09:36 |
| slaine | Stalled at the moment | 09:36 |
| cxl000 | Is there updated documentation on getting set up? | 09:38 |
| slaine | the layout of mer/fakeobs wasn't conducive to having i586 and arm projects | 09:40 |
| slaine | cxl000: I'll put up my guide once this last step is overcome | 09:40 |
| slaine | don't want to be harassing Stskeeps while he's at the conference in Prague | 09:41 |
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| cxl000 | Are you able to mix arm arches like armv6 or does that suffer from the same layout problem? | 09:45 |
| gprade | morning | 09:45 |
| gprade | what is your plans? do try oneday to install mer/nemo on a nokia n9? do you think this is possible? | 09:46 |
| cxl000 | further adaptation to the trimslice then try and resurrect my n810 | 09:49 |
| faenil | I've seen CE 1.3 on N9 at QtDevDays | 09:49 |
| gprade | :o | 09:50 |
| faenil | :) | 09:51 |
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| gprade | it would be so cooool to see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkR4Z7l_4As oneday on my n9 :-) | 09:55 |
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| faenil | :) you will ;) | 09:59 |
| gprade | fine, thank you | 10:01 |
| faenil | at least, I know that MOSLO for N9 is coming, so... | 10:01 |
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| gprade | then i will wait until the n9 is a littlebit cheaper and buy it then, at the moment i need to pay 700€ in germany as a eu-import | 10:02 |
| faenil | but imho it would take something like 1 month and a half to get Mer on it.. | 10:02 |
| faenil | gprade: I got it for free at DevDays :D | 10:02 |
| slaine | cxl000: the problem seems to be with >1 arch | 10:02 |
| gprade | ok, but i am not a developer | 10:02 |
| faenil | gprade: oh ok :) | 10:03 |
| slaine | Stskeeps said he'd think about it, I said we'd leave it 'til he was back from the conf | 10:03 |
| faenil | then you might hate the actual status of Mer...I mean, the UI need A LOT of work :) | 10:03 |
| faenil | I mean the UI on top of Mer, of course | 10:04 |
| faenil | Mer is only the core | 10:04 |
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| gprade | one other question, core (from mer) means that this is the base for all distro, so you think mer will be the base for a car-pc too?? | 10:04 |
| faenil | probably... | 10:05 |
| faenil | who knows... | 10:05 |
| gprade | but the idea from a core is for this cases? | 10:06 |
| faenil | I'm not sure actually...but yeah, you have the core | 10:06 |
| slaine | Yes, that's the idea | 10:06 |
| faenil | than you build hw adaptations to make it work on different hardware | 10:06 |
| slaine | nod | 10:06 |
| faenil | then* | 10:06 |
| faenil | and then put UI on top of it, to make it usable :P | 10:07 |
| gprade | then i have a big, big, big, big, big wish. please integrate a syncframework into the core | 10:07 |
| faenil | please God, do that xD | 10:08 |
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| harbaum | It's really interesting to see how fast nokia can deliver devices if they want to ... and the lumia 800 with its 800x480 amoled imakes me want cordia on it | 12:23 |
| Jucato | lumia 800 is almost the same as the N9 right? give a few physical differences (placing of led flash, another button at the side) right? | 12:28 |
| harbaum | dunno ... the lumia will soon be available, so chances are that i'll see one in real life soon | 12:29 |
| harbaum | doesn't the n9 have a 854x480 screen? | 12:29 |
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| Hq` | no need to guess, check from http://www.developer.nokia.com | 12:31 |
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| Jucato | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/Comparison.xhtml?dev=Lumia_800,N9 right. different CPU is probably the most significant ... | 12:36 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo wepoi | 13:32 |
| wepoi | hello stskeeps | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 13:33 |
| wepoi | curiosity I guess | 13:33 |
| wepoi | so Mer is going to be Nemo? | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | nah :) | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | so | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | the community edition project, ie, the one that had a handset user interface, is now called Nemo | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | Mer is a core | 13:34 |
| wepoi | ahh, OK I see | 13:34 |
| wepoi | will be like SwipeUI, will it be .deb or .rpm and on which handset will it run? | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | mer is a core, it doesn't have any user interface :) it's .rpm and Nemo is based upon Mer | 13:35 |
| wepoi | thanks, OK rpm build in OBS I guess. Who will make the UI? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | anyone who wants to | 13:36 |
| wepoi | OK, but you guys won't integrate some FOSS UI from someone .. coz Mer is core, right? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | correct, no preferentials | 13:38 |
| bigbluehat | maybe there could be a section on the Mer site that references several UI wrapped options | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes, there will be | 13:39 |
| wepoi | so Mer is mostly for device builders .. right? on what kind of Handset will it run initially? N9, N900? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | we will actively advertise for everyone utilizing Mer | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | Mer already runs on N900, beagleboards, x86 devices, etc | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | tegra2 devices.. | 13:39 |
| bigbluehat | and there's a lot of trolls here looking for the n800 builds ;) | 13:40 |
| wepoi | OK; thanks .. is there a roadmap or something? are you waiting for Tizen to release more information? | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | right now we're setting up infrastructure - releases and builds and contribution is already rolling | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | we're not strictly depending on Tizen as we have meego 1.3 core as a base | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | and it works | 13:41 |
| wepoi | OK cool, thanks | 13:42 |
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| Stskeeps | no problem, we're always happy to talk about our work - there is no NDAs, no secret agendas, just proper open source :) | 13:43 |
| wepoi | übercool ;-) and who might make the UIs? are there already people doing something? (besides Plasma Active) | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | plasma active, Nemo, etc | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | someone can do a interactive busstop ui by ease | 13:45 |
| arnet | i guess we have at least two iuis - cordia and one from meego | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | that too | 13:46 |
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| wepoi | where would I find more infos about Nemo (toolkit, interaction design etc) ? | 13:47 |
| arnet | cordia is based os maemo fremantle ui | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | wepoi: based off the N9 UI code, though without swipe | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | qt, meego touch framework, etc | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 is a good start | 13:48 |
| wepoi | supercool, why no swipe | 13:48 |
| arnet | causeits ploprietary | 13:48 |
| wepoi | buh! OK | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | wepoi: nokia's design and closed source | 13:49 |
| arnet | will we have a separate channel for nemo? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | eventually | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | we want something working first | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:49 |
| wepoi | Stskeeps: are the design guidelines for N9 Qt apps also ploprietary ;-) ? | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 13:50 |
| wepoi | dang, I think compatibility to that stuff would be good | 13:50 |
| arnet | yep, and may take place of absent trolls and remind that I would like to see a n810 version :P | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | arnet: i can push you in the right direction.. | 13:51 |
| * bigbluehat waves at arnet | 13:51 | |
| arnet | wepoi, I was using onscreen keyboard :P | 13:51 |
| wepoi | so in the long run Mer/Nemo could be used to update the N9 (after its last update 1.2) ? (if I am lucky) | 13:52 |
| arnet | Stskeeps: okay, lets talk about it one day. I am currently building slonopotamuses gentoo on it | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: good start | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | wepoi: people already run Nemo on it | 13:53 |
| wepoi | you know, really want that white N9 .. so beautiful .. but I worry about updates | 13:53 |
| wepoi | Stskeeps: coolio | 13:53 |
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| arnet | wepoi: Ive read somewhere that nokia promised support till 2015. But if you want to stay with freedom, you dont need it | 13:54 |
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| wepoi | will unlocked/rooted Android phones be able to run Mer/Nemo? | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | it depends on chipset but it's a uphill battle | 13:55 |
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| wepoi | Stskeeps: so if the chipset is similar to the N9 it might work? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | wepoi: generally, you need GLESv2/EGL to work | 13:57 |
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| wepoi | which kernel version does the n9 run? | 13:58 |
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| Stskeeps | 2.6.32 | 14:00 |
| wepoi | Stskeeps: thanks, my Motorola Defy also has 2.6.32 and a very similar chipset like the N9 .. how would I go about (trying to) installing Mer/Nemo on it? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | wepoi: OMAP3? | 14:04 |
| wepoi | 800MHz Cortex-A8 processor, TI OMAP3610 chipset | 14:04 |
| wepoi | AFAIK just a bit slower than the N9 | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | get own kernel booting and rootfs | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | baseband will be an issue | 14:05 |
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| araujo | hello | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | lo araujo | 14:06 |
| araujo | hello Stskeeps o/ | 14:06 |
| wepoi | Stskeeps: thanks a lot for answering all my stupid questions. I think I will look into getting my own kernel running. (I guess XDA devs is a good place to ask, right? ) | 14:07 |
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| araujo | Sage_, ping | 14:08 |
| arnet | wepoi: not stupid, normal questuins | 14:08 |
| wepoi | arnet:: OK, thanks | 14:09 |
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| lbt_prague | o/ | 14:11 |
| araujo | lbt_away, \o | 14:14 |
| araujo | err | 14:14 |
| araujo | lbt_prague, | 14:14 |
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| lbt_prague | hey ... just taking a breather | 14:14 |
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| lbt_prague | I think Sage_ is on holiday for a bit BTW | 14:15 |
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| berndhs | it's bad enough that these contributors sleep, now they go on holiday | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | or on advertising trips | 14:19 |
| berndhs | next thing you know they will insist on 24 hour days | 14:19 |
| iekku | haha | 14:21 |
| araujo | lbt_prague, ooh.. I see | 14:22 |
| araujo | lbt_prague, well, do you know if boss is sending a status message when packages are accepted for Mer to nemo-commits ml? | 14:23 |
| lbt_prague | hmm | 14:23 |
| lbt_prague | you should have seen a message in #meego-arm | 14:24 |
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| araujo | lbt_hel, ? | 14:57 |
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| Stskeeps | he has a lightspeed vehicle | 14:58 |
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| lbt_hel | Nah .... I upgraded to tachyon speed | 14:59 |
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| lbt_prague | see | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo virtuald | 15:11 |
| virtuald | hi | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 15:11 |
| virtuald | well i'm curious about mer and what it will mean for teh future | 15:13 |
| virtuald | and it's also to remind me to buy a new phone | 15:13 |
| virtuald | instead of making a note, i join here | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, mer may be interesting in order to create the future :) | 15:13 |
| virtuald | :) | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | ttyl | 15:15 |
| virtuald | yeah i'm not much of a programmer though | 15:15 |
| virtuald | ok bye | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | harbaum_: good work with the beagleboard-plasma demo, was showing it to a few people today | 19:15 |
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| Stskeeps | indeed | 21:37 |
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| KaziKluBey_N900 | Fawlty Towers on the telly. Still funny :) | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:41 |
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| Stskeeps | random statistics: http://pastie.org/2770139 is a list of the mer packages, listing how many commits they recieved when they were in meego, over the length of the project | 22:05 |
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| Stskeeps | evening gprade | 22:23 |
| gprade | hello stskeeps, how are you? how was the con? i read that you are on a con? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm at linuxcon, though leaving tomorrow midday-ish | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | it was good, we gained a lot of interest in Mer and spoke to a lot of people | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | so it was a good investment | 22:26 |
| gprade | cool, nice to hear | 22:27 |
| gprade | with who did you spoke? people from device manufactures maybe? | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of different people.. chipset manufactorers, ui people, etc.. | 22:31 |
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| gprade | ok, what do you think how long you must work at the infrastructure (servers, wiki, and so on) for mer? when do you think you can work on mer? | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | you can already contribute, actually | 22:33 |
| gprade | you told in one past communication, that you must first do all this work, so then afeter finish you can start working on mer | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org , click "all" -> "merged" | 22:34 |
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| Stskeeps | we have some bits and pieces still to be done, such as doing some basic testing on each submit of code | 22:34 |
| Stskeeps | but manual procedure is working | 22:34 |
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| gprade | is review.merproject.org something like a bugzilla? | 22:35 |
| Stskeeps | so, to contribute, you clone a git repo with the package in it, you change what you need to change, and submit it to review.merproject.org | 22:36 |
| gprade | ok | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | and then a number of tests will be run on it eventually, telling us if it's a good or a bad change | 22:36 |
| gprade | ok, cool thing that | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | when approved, it then becomes part of Mer | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, i'm off to sleep | 22:39 |
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| gprade | i asked today to faenil if you can please add a syncframework to mer, what do you think about taht | 22:39 |
| gprade | ok, then next time, good night | 22:39 |
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