Wednesday, 2011-10-26

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vgradefinally in hotel, I may miss registraton and keynotes01:45
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Jucatovgrade: er? good luck with the talk01:50
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dm8tbrStskeeps: I knew that there was an new release of the BSP coming, this time for linux04:06
dm8tbrStskeeps: I think android already had GLES04:06
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harbaumso quiet ...12:06
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kyb3R*clickety-click* people are working :)12:06
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Stskeepsyeah, spreading the mer word in prague :P12:07
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iekku\o/12:08
iekkuStskeeps, that's good12:08
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lilstevieStskeeps: now the word of mer needs to be spread to device manafacturers12:16
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Stskeepslilstevie: i think we have earth near things to fix first12:17
lilstevieStskeeps: heh12:19
araujoStskeeps, nice++12:20
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harbaumStupid ssh ... have shut down the server at home grr ... wrong window ...12:27
Stskeepswoops :P12:27
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X-Fadeharbaum: molly-guard12:29
X-Fadeharbaum: Helps prevent things like that.12:29
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harbaumX-Fade: Now installed :-)12:48
X-Fadeharbaum: Hehe, at least it won't happen another time then.12:48
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harbaumYes. Luckily the "wake-on-wife" was working12:49
harbaum(sounding rather bizarre now that i read this ...)12:49
dm8tbrjust call it remote-hands, sounds prrrrofessional ;)12:55
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Venemo_N950hi14:19
Venemo_N950what's up?14:19
Stskeepswatching vgrade give a talk about device adaptaiton14:20
lilstevieStskeeps: that sounds interesting14:20
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Stskeepsit is, i think he should do a webcast of this done sometime14:20
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Jucatovideos should (and I say that in the sense of "they should make it") be available after the event14:36
Stskeepsof the individual sessions? oh dear14:39
Stskeeps:P14:39
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lilsteviesounds like an aweful lot of bandwidth14:43
JucatoStskeeps: probably only the ones in the schedule14:44
Jucato(on the linuxcon page I mean)14:44
berndhsand make sure the presenters' shoes are in focus this time14:48
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bigbluehathi yeah, is anyone here tracking Yocto? http://www.yoctoproject.org/17:53
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Stskeepsbigbluehat: yes, good people18:17
bigbluehatdidn't know if some sort of build UI like Hub would be helpful matched with Mer18:23
bigbluehatperhaps making it easier to build a custom Mer distro with various UI's, toolkits, etc.18:23
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harbaumPlasma Active/Mer booting on Beagle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs3RnK9aHXk18:53
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Stskeepsharbaum: congrats :)19:07
harbaumhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0t4sqG2Ueo19:09
Stskeepswould watch but on n950 and my ideapad refuses to boot :P19:10
harbaumvideo was actually captured with a n95019:11
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tripzeroharbaum, awesome!19:28
tripzerohw accel?19:28
tripzerolooks like it is19:29
harbaumsure19:29
tripzeroprolly softfp ?19:29
harbaumyepp19:29
harbaumbasically my old meego setup, just based on mer this time19:30
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tripzeronice19:30
harbaumbut plasma active is pretty resource hungry. boots 5min and can barely live with 256 MB ram19:31
tripzeroharbaum, are you publishing images somewhere?19:31
harbaumye19:31
harbaums19:31
tripzeroi wouldn't mind trying it on my igep19:31
harbaumhttp://bug10738.openaos.org/images/beagleboard/19:31
tripzerothx19:34
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Stskeepsharbaum: 5min startup is seen on tegra2 too.. supposedly basyskom will throw someone at the problem19:37
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* tripzero watches as basyskom bounces off the problem19:42
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Stskeepsbiggest problem for me with conferences is that i get a boost of wanting to hack19:45
Stskeeps:P19:45
Stskeepsso, positive elements of today: having nice talks with people and having a few minutes in Dawn's Tizen community talk to talk a little about Mer19:47
Stskeepsso, successfully19:47
Stskeepser, succesful day19:47
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pdanekStskeeps: have you been paid developer for MeeGo project? or community effort only?20:14
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Stskeepspdanek: i've been paid for my meego on n900/arm work and still am, but honestly, used a lot more time than i got paid for :P20:17
Bostikiow. got paid for doing what would have done in any case20:18
Bostikvictory++20:18
pdanekStskeeps: so you are now waiting for some offer from Intel or Samsung for Tizen project? :)20:20
Stskeepspdanek: nah, right now i'm exploring opportunities, Mer is one of them :)20:21
pdanekStskeeps: you think Mer is really a chance to do something big?20:21
pdanekStskeeps: I mean transform into something that you can do fulltime and get nice money?20:22
Stskeepspdanek: i think of Mer as a basis for a lot of other possibilities20:22
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Stskeeps(not just for me, but for many)20:29
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vgradeharbaum. cool20:43
vgrade5 min boot not just the tegra then20:45
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tripzerovgrade, what tegra2 board do you use?21:00
tripzeroand what touchscreen was that i saw in your plasma active apps tegra2 video?21:00
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vgradeAdvent Vega tablet. you can pick it up from Dixons/PC World in the UK21:01
vgradeWe are also running on early (pre lockdown) Asus Transformers21:01
vgradeI'm sure it will run fine also on trimslice21:02
tripzerommm21:02
tripzerotrimslice looks cool21:03
tripzerowhat's the gpu driver situation with tegra?21:03
tripzeroas messy as pvr?21:03
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vgradeno, good,  Nvidia came up with the goods for trimslice and they are working fine everywhere else on Tegra, just need the right kernel interface to match the userspace. Just like all gpus21:04
tripzeronice21:05
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vgradeStskeeps, had a word with sebas and notmart in #active earlier. Asked them about ram usage and they were surprised at the amount.  Seems something has regressed recently in that area.22:12
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vgradethey test on laptops and ExoPc which has 2Gb so had not noticed the increases recently22:12
vgradethey have some ideas, theme cache was one22:13
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YavkatAWill Mer work on Exyons-based devices once the driver gets merged?23:18
wmarone_don't see why not23:19
wmarone_now whether you'll get full support depends on whether or not Samsung steps up with any necessary blobs23:20
wmarone_and given mer will (eventually) pull from Tizen, I certainly hope they do23:20
YavkatAAs far as I know the Exynos SoC driver is open-source23:27
wmarone_it should be, but that's only part of the problem23:27
YavkatAI am considering buying the Samsung i9100 and playing with it23:28
YavkatAwhat blobs do we need?23:28
wmarone_samsung has been pushing exynos drivers to the kernel, but you still need a board support file and drivers for the peripherals23:28
wmarone_beyond the graphics driver, not sure23:28
YavkatAaha..23:28
YavkatAThere's a driver for X23:28
wmarone_a driver for X doesn't get you proper hardware support though23:29
YavkatAbut I'm not sure about ALSA23:29
wmarone_you end up having a CPU burn cycles drawing everything slowly23:29
wmarone_cellular interface possibly, I think there's at least one NFC chip that has only a closed user space binary23:29
wmarone_not sure if the i9100 uses it23:29
wmarone_most drivers are available on whatever old kernel that is available on the i9100 already23:30
YavkatAdamn, it would be so awesome to have a phone with fully open hardware23:30
wmarone_yes it would23:30
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YavkatAI've been waiting for that for like 4 years, and I'm starting to give up23:30
wmarone_well, don't give up or all you'll get are iPhones and WP7 devices ;P23:30
YavkatAyeah... I'm just tired of waiting... I sait to myself that my next phone is gonna be a fully open Linux phone23:31
YavkatAand thus I haven't bough a new phone in 4 years..23:32
YavkatAwaiting for the miracle23:32
wmarone_I jumped on with the N90023:33
wmarone_and it's... 75% of the way there23:33
wmarone_moreso with Mer/Nemo23:33
YavkatAI know... I would buy it right now if it wasn't so outdated hardware-wise23:33
wmarone_yup23:34
wmarone_had mine since Dec. 09, so it's been a while23:34
YavkatAwhat do you think about N9?23:34
wmarone_pondering an N9, but gonna wait and see how Mer/Nemo unfold on it first23:34
wmarone_no keyboard/sd card slot make me sad23:34
YavkatAyeah.. that's a bummer23:35
wmarone_but otherwise it's a slick design23:35
YavkatAyeah.. too bad Nokia jumped ship23:36
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YavkatAit's like.. they start building a Linux platform.. they wait till it's almost mature23:36
YavkatAand then they abandon it23:36
wmarone_well, they're still selling it so they haven't jumped yet23:36
YavkatAit almost looks like sabotage23:36
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