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| dm8tbr | Sage_: as vgrade said or also images.formeego.org | 04:23 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:36 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 04:36 |
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| Jucato | moo | 04:39 |
| Jucato | caffeine (but from coke, not coffee P) | 04:39 |
| Jucato | oh btw ... | 04:39 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: the link to the wiki in http://www.merproject.org/ still uses the IP address | 04:39 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 04:40 |
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| Jucato | mourning | 04:40 |
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| lilstevie | Jucato: mmm caffeine, but from coffee not coke | 04:41 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 04:41 |
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| lilstevie | I have a 2L bottle of iced coffee <3 | 04:42 |
| Jucato | wow | 04:42 |
| Jucato | from the store of self-made? | 04:43 |
| iekku | mmm, hot coffee <3 | 04:43 |
| lilstevie | iekku: I like that too :p | 04:43 |
| Jucato | not on a 32°C afternoon :) | 04:43 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: from a store | 04:43 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: wow they sell those there? cool! (literally) | 04:43 |
| lilstevie | they used to come in a 3L container too | 04:44 |
| iekku | lilstevie, where do you live? | 04:44 |
| lilstevie | but I haven't found one for a while | 04:44 |
| lilstevie | iekku: Australia | 04:44 |
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| Jucato | but that's a nice idea actually. thanks for that | 04:45 |
| Jucato | probably much healthier than 1.5L of coke ... | 04:45 |
| iekku | lilstevie, oh, ok. | 04:45 |
| lilstevie | hell yeah | 04:45 |
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| * Jucato shall repurpose this bottle for 1.5L of iced coffee :) | 04:45 | |
| lilstevie | heh | 04:45 |
| iekku | i think i haven't even tried iced coffee | 04:46 |
| lilstevie | heh | 04:48 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Mer is back! - http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484215.html - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ | Contribution to packages: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | Mailing lists: http:" | 04:49 | |
| Jucato | great for hot/warm days when you need your (healthy) caffeine boost | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 04:49 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Mer is back! - http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484215.html - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ | Contribution to packages: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs" | 04:49 | |
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| lilstevie | hm | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | fail | 04:49 |
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| lilstevie | lol | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lists <- if anyone wants to join Mer mailing list | 04:49 |
| Jucato | topic is too long | 04:50 |
| lilstevie | hm | 04:50 |
| Jucato | hmm indeed | 04:52 |
| Jucato | what are we hmm'ing about? | 04:52 |
| iekku | hmm? | 04:52 |
| iekku | :P | 04:52 |
| lilstevie | we are hmming about why this image didn't work | 04:53 |
| lilstevie | although I think I just fail | 04:54 |
| lilstevie | yes, I just fail | 04:56 |
| Jucato | Just fail, there is no try. - Pessimistic is, Yoda | 04:58 |
| lilstevie | heh | 04:59 |
| Jucato | aaaanyway. is the main repo to be fed into the mic-create-bootstrap command (the -r option) specific to a UX (like Plasma Active would have it's own main repo) or there's a generic one for Mer? | 04:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Jucato: main repo is basically to get basic bootstrap stuff.. point it to the i586 repo | 05:00 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: ah | 05:00 |
| * Jucato goes look for said magic repo | 05:00 | |
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| Jucato | http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/i586/packages/ ? | 05:02 |
| Jucato | (sorry, new to this whole building thing) | 05:02 |
| Stskeeps | right | 05:02 |
| Jucato | eh? Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option | 05:05 |
| Stskeeps | show me your command line | 05:05 |
| Jucato | mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k plasma-handset-armv7hl-n900-repocache -r http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/i586/packages/ -o plasma-handset-armv7hl-n900-bootstrap | 05:06 |
| Jucato | (from instructions in http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Use_Bootstrap) | 05:06 |
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| Jucato | (if it has any bearing, using Fedora 15, with a qemu-arm-static package from Fedora 14) | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | the bootstrap is generic, btw | 05:13 |
| Stskeeps | so no need to call it plasma n900 bootstrap | 05:13 |
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| Jucato | ah | 05:14 |
| Jucato | maybe it doesn't like to be called that ;) | 05:14 |
| Jucato | the funny thing aboot that error is that if you try to add a --mainrepo option, it complains that there is on such option :) | 05:15 |
| Jucato | do you recommend using mic2 git stable instead? (I seem to have version 0.24) | 05:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes, git is needed | 05:19 |
| Jucato | is 0.9 really the latest stable? | 05:23 |
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| Stskeeps | 0.9? i hope not :P | 05:31 |
| Jucato | hahah then what is? :) | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm on 0.24.15git | 05:33 |
| Jucato | ah | 05:34 |
| smoku | Jucato: on Fedora use legacy mode, not bootstrap mode | 05:35 |
| Jucato | smoku: using the mic2 from the meego-tools repo? | 05:36 |
| smoku | yes. | 05:37 |
| smoku | bootstrap mode didn't work for me, but legacy worked just fine | 05:37 |
| Jucato | Error: failed to create image : Invalid target arch: armv7hl (same as before, which is why I tried --run-mode=1, which led to having to create a bootstrap, which lead to the errors above) :) | 05:40 |
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| smoku | LANG=POSIX sudo mic-image-creator --format=livecd --fstype=btrfs --cache=/home/smoku/devel/pkgcache --mainrepo=mer --config=core-ia32.ks | 05:45 |
| smoku | this is what I use | 05:45 |
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| smoku | but maybe upgrading mic2 is a better option :) | 05:46 |
| Jucato | what version of mic2 do you use? | 05:50 |
| smoku | 0.24.14 | 05:52 |
| Jucato | hm .. same as mine | 05:53 |
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| smoku | not 0.9 ? | 05:53 |
| Jucato | no | 05:53 |
| smoku | oh. I see now | 05:53 |
| Jucato | I was confused by the tags in gitorious :) | 05:53 |
| Jucato | (for some reason, I thought 0.9 is like 0.90 heheh) | 05:54 |
| smoku | the comments in config file suggest that on fedora we should use legacy mode | 05:54 |
| smoku | mode=1 is for ubuntu | 05:54 |
| smoku | (debian) | 05:55 |
| Jucato | I have the armv7hl error when running --run-mode=0 (legacy right?). I get "Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option." when I use --run-mode=1 | 05:56 |
| Jucato | hm I might have gotten it ... | 05:58 |
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| smoku | so give the main repo name :) it's probably --mainrepo=mer | 06:00 |
| Jucato | that's what I though. I just forgot to check the .ks :). it was actually mer-core-armv7hl, and that almost worked. but then I got into another error :) | 06:01 |
| Jucato | Error: Failed to create bootstrap : URLGrabber error: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 - Not Found : http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/ia32/packages//repodata/repomd.xml: http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/ia32/packages//repodata/repomd.xml | 06:01 |
| Jucato | (which of course doesn't exist, because there are only i486/i586 build there) | 06:02 |
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| dm8tbr | gngngn | 06:15 |
| dm8tbr | mailing list subscription: failed on first try as craplook sliced the mailto string wrong *grmbl* | 06:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morn xruxa | 07:01 |
| xruxa | morning guys | 07:02 |
| Sage_ | morning | 07:02 |
| Sage_ | xruxa: you need to resubmit the maps btw | 07:02 |
| xruxa | Sage_: will do. I had to reinstall my laptop. Oneiric :( | 07:04 |
| xruxa | Sage_: to what do I submit - did something change now that we are rebasing on Mer? I must say I'm still lost in those project structures | 07:04 |
| Sage_ | I'll come back to you later today on that. | 07:05 |
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| xruxa | Sage_: good, will take me some time go get the osc cmd line back working | 07:08 |
| xruxa | is anyone working on dual booting N9? Web search didn't bring up anything | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | right now it's not wise since no flashing images are published | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | but someone did http://jon.severinsson.net/N9CE/ | 07:14 |
| xruxa | lovely! | 07:15 |
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| Stskeeps | old but good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkR4Z7l_4As | 07:25 |
| Jucato | minus the gurggling sounds, nice bootsplash :) | 07:25 |
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| Jucato | gurgling* | 07:25 |
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| mece | really nice one | 07:26 |
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| vgrade | morning | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrae | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | de | 07:28 |
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| Jucato | someone needs another cup of coffee :D | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | nah, just travel prep | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:29 |
| Jucato | linuxcon? | 07:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | flying in three hours | 07:30 |
| vgrade | is at the day job until 5pm | 07:31 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: good luck | 07:31 |
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| Jucato | vgrade: aren't you supposed to be at linuxcon too? to give a presentation? | 07:31 |
| vgrade | yea flying out at 8.30pm | 07:31 |
| vgrade | tonight | 07:31 |
| vgrade | Jucato, those sdcards ore ok after a repartition with parted | 07:32 |
| Jucato | ouch. talk about busy :) | 07:33 |
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| Jucato | harbaum: ping? did you manage to get a bootsrap built? I'm having problems creating one and was told you ran into a similar problem before? | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: PA on n9 should be trivial once we have CE u | 07:50 |
| Stskeeps | p | 07:50 |
| lbt | morning Stskeeps | 07:51 |
| lbt | "Nemo" | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: %@%^ | 07:51 |
| lbt | :P | 07:52 |
| iekku | ;o | 07:53 |
| lbt | hey iekku | 07:53 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, ok | 07:53 |
| iekku | heu lbt | 07:53 |
| iekku | hey | 07:53 |
| iekku | i think i need more coffee | 07:54 |
| lbt | iekku: sorry I've not looked more at the BZ stuff - some good points came out - like we need 2 BZ | 07:54 |
| lbt | I hope to get some continuity answers from the LF/Intel this week ... lets see | 07:54 |
| iekku | lbt, :nod: | 07:55 |
| iekku | lbt, if you have time, please try to give some comments, i will do wiki page to get more comments today/tomorrow | 07:55 |
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| lbt | iekku: *nod* | 08:00 |
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| lbt | \o/ | 08:06 |
| lbt | Lenovo with Nemo | 08:06 |
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| xruxa | grrrrr getting "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized" - what could be wrong? | 08:06 |
| lbt | some small task switching issues Sage_ | 08:08 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: so it boots. That is already more than I expected :D | 08:13 |
| lbt | yep - straight away | 08:13 |
| lbt | got an image with local mic though | 08:13 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/2754944 | 08:14 |
| lbt | curl http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/i586/packages/i586/gamin-0.1.10-1.1.i586.rpm | wc works | 08:14 |
| Sage_ | retry, that error is just timeout I think | 08:14 |
| lbt | retried twice | 08:14 |
| Sage_ | do you have proxy? | 08:14 |
| lbt | squid | 08:15 |
| lbt | bad cache you think | 08:16 |
| Sage_ | you need to give mic2 a proxy | 08:16 |
| Sage_ | check /etc/mic2/mic2.conf | 08:16 |
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| lbt | both commented out but the env has http_proxy=http://proxy:3128/ | 08:17 |
| lbt | I'll fiddle with that | 08:17 |
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| harbaum | Jucato: Yes, mic-create-bootstrap did the trick | 08:20 |
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| Jucato | harbaum: what exact command did you use? I'm getting an "Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option." error? | 08:21 |
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| Jucato | this is mine: "mic-create-bootstrap -n mer-bootstrap -r http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/armv7hl/packages/ -o mer-bootstrap" | 08:22 |
| lbt | Jucato: I got that too | 08:22 |
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| lbt | I just picked one as the main repo | 08:23 |
| Jucato | picked one from where? | 08:24 |
| lbt | the .ks lists them | 08:25 |
| lbt | eg repo --name=mer-core-i586 | 08:25 |
| lbt | FYI - not saying that's the right thing to do ... I just prodded until it ran | 08:26 |
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| lbt | Sage_: the 'installer' worked | 08:26 |
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| lbt | kinda - lots of kernel errors and typing blind | 08:27 |
| Jucato | lbt: yeah I chose that from the .ks file | 08:27 |
| lbt | but it's now on sda | 08:27 |
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| harbaum | vgrade: Why is mtf mentioned so often in the plasma-ks? Is there still mtf present in the setup? | 08:32 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: good. So not entirely bad :) | 08:36 |
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| * Jucato is mildly frustrated by this :/ | 08:37 | |
| lbt | Jucato: what are you trying to do? | 08:37 |
| Jucato | the bootstrap is generic right? so it doesn't matter what UX I'm going to try to build later | 08:37 |
| lbt | (and FYI I can't build an image locally atm) | 08:38 |
| harbaum | Jucato: I used mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /var/cache/mic -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /var/cache/meego-bootstrap | 08:38 |
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| Jucato | lbt: well, first of all to create a bootstrap, which seems to be required because mic-image-creator --run-mode=0 doesn't work (invalid armv7hl target) | 08:38 |
| harbaum | which i got from http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation | 08:38 |
| Jucato | harbaum: um ... thanks! | 08:40 |
| Jucato | I guess the Mer repo I was trying to use wasn't made for bootstrapping? | 08:40 |
| Jucato | that or I've been mixing URLs! >.< | 08:41 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/releases/0.20111020.1/builds/i586/packages/ can't be used for creating bootstraps? | 08:43 |
| Sage_ | Jucato: we need to fix mic | 08:43 |
| Jucato | oh wait, he's busy preparing for departure | 08:43 |
| Jucato | Sage_: because it's fixated on using "ia32" and wont' accept "i586" or something? | 08:44 |
| lbt | Jucato: I ran : mic-create-bootstrap -n trunk -k /var/cache/mic -r http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/latest/repos/oss/ia32/packages/ -o /var/cache/meego-bootstrap | 08:46 |
| Sage_ | Jucato: mic expects that certain packages are in the first repo in .ks | 08:47 |
| lbt | ah | 08:47 |
| Jucato | lbt: thanks. seems like I was mistaken about the URL to use for creating the bootstrap (since I didn't expect to use the MeeGo one) | 08:47 |
| Jucato | Sage_: ah | 08:48 |
| lbt | Jucato: step 1.... get *something* to work .... step 2 ... change it a little and go back to step 1 | 08:48 |
| Jucato | I think I just misunderstood what Stskeeps was talking about earlier. easy to do when you're a complete idiot^Wnewb :) | 08:49 |
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| Sage_ | X-Fade: sync ping | 08:56 |
| X-Fade | Sage_: ok, will do. | 08:57 |
| harbaum | can i enable the mouse cursor in kde plasma? | 08:58 |
| sebas | harbaum: via systemsettings, it's just a transparant theme | 08:58 |
| harbaum | what system settings? | 08:59 |
| harbaum | do i have to click the wrench tool? | 08:59 |
| sebas | the settings app is called "systemsettings" | 08:59 |
| sebas | visible name is "Personal Settings" | 08:59 |
| harbaum | i can barely click anything .. i don't see a mouse cursor | 09:00 |
| sebas | ssh -X into the device, perhaps? | 09:02 |
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| harbaum | no ssh server | 09:04 |
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| harbaum | anyway, for the records: kde-plasma is running on the beagle | 09:08 |
| harbaum | will try the touchscreen this evening | 09:08 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 09:09 |
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| * Stskeeps idles in airport | 09:13 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: nemo is running on my lenovo | 09:15 |
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| * Jucato now has images of a limping captain with a wooden peg leg running on the laptop keyboard ... | 09:16 | |
| lbt | :) | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt, excellent | 09:16 |
| * Jucato wishes he could say "nemo and plasma active now running on my galaxy tab (7")" ... | 09:17 | |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 09:24 |
| slaine | Morning Stskeeps | 09:25 |
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| Sage_ | X-Fade: ping pm | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: did your obs build break? | 09:47 |
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| Sage_ | http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ N900 & x86 Nemo images (cc: Stskeeps, lbt, veskuh, alterego) | 09:50 |
| Sage_ | Haven't tested those yet so might have bigger issues | 09:51 |
| vgrade | harbaum, nice one | 09:51 |
| veskuh | Sage_: thanks, I'll have a go | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | will see if hotel wifi can stand the dl tonight | 09:51 |
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| Jucato | hotel wifi can do that? :) | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | well, in finland i've seen 10mbit with low latency | 09:53 |
| Jucato | wow | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | prague.. well we'll see | 09:54 |
| Jucato | good luck :) | 09:54 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: well I may be able to help say that one, same as lardman | 09:54 |
| lilstevie | RE: wishes he could say "nemo and plasma active now running on my galaxy tab (7")" | 09:55 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: thanks. but I don't think I can, at least not until 2013 :/ | 09:55 |
| Jucato | (tab's on a "lease". will be fully paid by that time) | 09:55 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: lol, you just need to have a backup :p | 09:56 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: how about messing up the boot sector/kernel stuff? to the point that reflashing won't be doable? | 09:57 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: well I have only messed up the bootloader once, by accidental | 09:57 |
| lilstevie | just don't flash the bootloader and you are right | 09:57 |
| lilstevie | download mode will be there | 09:57 |
| lilstevie | and take it to a samsung repair center and you are good | 09:58 |
| lilstevie | when the bootloader goes, it goes | 09:58 |
| Jucato | :/ | 09:58 |
| Jucato | I'll wait for your safe instructions :) | 09:58 |
| lilstevie | I mean when the bootloader goes, samsung don't even have issues | 09:58 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: look at lardmans instructions on the meego wiki | 09:58 |
| lilstevie | problem is baseband | 09:58 |
| Jucato | hm .. last I checked (the instructions), it could only boot up to a console login screen, and needed the keyboard dock to be able to login? | 09:59 |
| lilstevie | with a kernel patch or something in the init that isn't a problem | 10:00 |
| Jucato | ah ... I think it was that kernel patch I was worried about :) | 10:00 |
| lilstevie | lol. | 10:01 |
| lilstevie | no need | 10:01 |
| lilstevie | you can reflash kernel with heimdall | 10:01 |
| lilstevie | with no problems | 10:01 |
| Jucato | hm ... you still need to login right? or at least be able to type "echo 1 > /sys/class/lcd/s5p_lcd/lcd_power" ? | 10:02 |
| lilstevie | no, that can be added to a startup function | 10:03 |
| lilstevie | or it can be patched | 10:03 |
| lilstevie | and the newer 2.6.35 does not require it | 10:03 |
| Jucato | great :) I'll try it out as soon as I can | 10:04 |
| * Jucato is actually having some troubles with the Tab ever since upgrade to 2.3 >.< | 10:04 | |
| lilstevie | yeah, still needs a bit of updating though | 10:06 |
| lilstevie | lardman and I haven't touched tab shit for a while | 10:06 |
| Jucato | wouldn't be surprised. there might be more interesting hardware/devices out there ;) | 10:09 |
| lilstevie | well my contract is up on the SGT in 2 weeks | 10:10 |
| lilstevie | exams and shit | 10:10 |
| lilstevie | and the tf stuff has been going strong | 10:10 |
| Jucato | tf? | 10:11 |
| Jucato | my (mom's) contract on the SGT is up in 14 months :D | 10:11 |
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| lilstevie | transformer | 10:14 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: heh we went 12 months here | 10:14 |
| Jucato | ah | 10:14 |
| Jucato | oh Asus Transformer! lol I was thinking of the robots | 10:14 |
| lilstevie | hah | 10:15 |
| Jucato | ah you can't find a contract here that lasts 12 months. it's almost always 2 years (or more) | 10:15 |
| lilstevie | we had to pay extra to shorten the length of the contract | 10:15 |
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| lilstevie | but it is still cheaper than 24mnt | 10:15 |
| lilstevie | month | 10:15 |
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| Jucato | it was worth it for me anyway. love the SGT. 7" is just perfect for most of my needs. my only complaints are the reboot problems I'm having and that it's not as hackable as most of the nice tablets out there now. at least not yet (will wait :) | 10:17 |
| lilstevie | it is | 10:18 |
| Jucato | well, for someone who knows the ropes, it probably is. :) | 10:19 |
| Jucato | (but I've been waiting for forever for something like CM or MIUI to support it (officially)) | 10:19 |
| Jucato | so this is how long it takes to make an image ... :) | 10:19 |
| lilstevie | ah, yeah need something like the mtd over bml stuff | 10:20 |
| Jucato | (I don't even know what those acronyms mean :) | 10:21 |
| lilstevie | well BML what samsung use | 10:22 |
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| Jucato | "Block Management Layer"? | 10:24 |
| * Stskeeps boards | 10:25 | |
| Jucato | um ... have fun? :) | 10:25 |
| Jucato | bon voyage! | 10:25 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: OBS is fine | 10:28 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: safe trip | 10:28 |
| slaine | MY obs is fine | 10:28 |
| * Jucato wonders where one even starts to learn the crazy things lilstevie and vgrade seem to be doing, specially on not-so-popular devices >.< | 10:29 | |
| slaine | Jucato: trial and error | 10:29 |
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| Jucato | heh of course there's that. but as the price of the device goes up, the risks also go up :) | 10:30 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: fast learner | 10:30 |
| lilstevie | and no taking dumb risks | 10:30 |
| lilstevie | also yeah, block management layer | 10:31 |
| Jucato | but I mean, for example, I want to port Mer to some Chinese-(re)branded tablets running Android, where does one start? | 10:31 |
| Jucato | (but I guess that's way too offtopic in this channel?) | 10:31 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: getting the kernel correctly set up is the key | 10:32 |
| harbaum | what component is meant to handle networking? I don't seem to have dhcp ... | 10:32 |
| lilstevie | oh, and honoring opensource on the kernel is a must | 10:32 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: "honoring opensource on the kernel"? | 10:33 |
| lbt | harbaum: does conman do that? | 10:33 |
| KaziKluBey | sage: is it su/meego in terminal in nemo aswell? feels pretty smooth btw :) | 10:33 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: if they don't release the kernel source it makes the job a bit harder | 10:33 |
| Jucato | ah | 10:33 |
| Jucato | right, of course :) | 10:33 |
| Jucato | there is hopefully very little need to opening up the device, fiddling with the parts, or reverse engineering with assembly I hope? :) | 10:34 |
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| harbaum | lbt: dunno .. will add it for a test | 10:35 |
| Jucato | well, I'm looking more towards tablets that have android running. I mean while it's not a 100% guarantee, at least the chances of there being kernels available are higher than if it were running some proprietary crap | 10:35 |
| lilstevie | problem is when they use GPL glue | 10:36 |
| lilstevie | and then a userspace library | 10:36 |
| harbaum | lbt: uhm, what package provides conman? | 10:37 |
| vgrade | harbaum, connman | 10:38 |
| lbt | connman | 10:38 |
| lbt | sorry | 10:38 |
| harbaum | ah ... con_n_man ... that may explain something .... | 10:38 |
| Jucato | yeah, connman isn't trying to be a conman :) | 10:39 |
| lilstevie | lul | 10:40 |
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| Sage_ | KaziKluBey: yes | 10:57 |
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| lbt | is the twitter tag #mer or #merproj | 10:59 |
| lbt | #mer seems to be a bit active | 10:59 |
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| KaziKluBey | sage: thanks. my class 10 16GB sd is behaving the same with settings problem. works well on class 4 as always. anways, thrilling times ahead :) | 11:02 |
| KaziKluBey | maybe #merproj is better. Alot of other stuff showing up with the #mer tag | 11:05 |
| dm8tbr | pff, just embrace, extend, extinguish ;) | 11:06 |
| Jucato | msproj? :P | 11:07 |
| KaziKluBey | on twitter that is | 11:07 |
| dm8tbr | I wonder what they mean by #mer so far on twitter... | 11:08 |
| KaziKluBey | alot of girls are using that tag,,,hm | 11:10 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: is it a good sign that the chipset vendor of the (Chinese) tablet in question has downloads for "kernel-ds-android*tar.gz" and "*u-boot*.tar.gz"? | 11:11 |
| dm8tbr | Jucato: sounds like a good start. what SoC does that tablet use? | 11:12 |
| Jucato | WonderMedia (VIA) 8650 | 11:13 |
| Jucato | seems to be used in a lot of cheapo android tablets. but that's the selling point to me :) | 11:14 |
| lilstevie | could be good | 11:14 |
| dm8tbr | it's an ARM11 so don't expect wonders | 11:15 |
| Jucato | sure :) | 11:15 |
| dm8tbr | and probably no way to get GLES | 11:16 |
| lilstevie | yeah | 11:16 |
| Jucato | isn't GLES a requirement in Android? | 11:16 |
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| Jucato | but anyway, that puts it in almost the same boat as the N810 :) | 11:16 |
| Jucato | (right? O.o) | 11:17 |
| Jucato | ARM11 is ARMv6? | 11:18 |
| mingwandroid_ | vgrade: hey. did you arrange anything about tegra-2 kernel hacking? | 11:19 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, not yet | 11:19 |
| mingwandroid_ | fire us an email if you get it sorted out, I'll ask ejtagle along too. | 11:19 |
| vgrade | ok, wilko, | 11:19 |
| lilstevie | Jucato: while you may have GLES under android, the drivers are compiled with bionic, which is not libc compatible | 11:21 |
| Jucato | ah | 11:22 |
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| Jucato | another bunch of options seem to be "Telechip Cortex A8" tablets | 11:27 |
| Jucato | need more research in the future :) | 11:27 |
| slaine | vgrade: mingwandroid have either of you started on a Trimslice adaptation layer ? | 11:27 |
| vgrade | Jucato, the key is to ensure you can get recent kernel source and gles (non andriod) driver | 11:28 |
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| vgrade | slaine, you will find kernel and graphics adaptations packages in cxl000 home on OBS | 11:28 |
| slaine | for mer ? | 11:29 |
| Jucato | vgrade: ah I see. I'm looking for references of people having tried modding or hacking on the device/chipset.the telechip ones sound a bit promising if cyanogen people have at least tried it. I mean, it may not be Mer, but at least they'd have some knowledge about the kernel and gles (even maybe non-android) stuff | 11:29 |
| vgrade | slaine, yes I think he has started a mer build, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Acxl000%3Atrimslice%3Am13, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Acxl000%3Atrimslice%3AMer%3Atesting | 11:30 |
| slaine | cxl000: you about ? | 11:30 |
| * Jucato wonders why he's too obsessed with bringing Mer (plus whatever UX, though hopefully Plasma) to these low-cost tablets >.< | 11:31 | |
| vgrade | cxl000 is in AUS | 11:31 |
| Jucato | yay first image ever done :) | 11:32 |
| slaine | vgrade: is in AUS or is from AUS ? | 11:32 |
| slaine | i.e. temporary timezone issue or he lives there | 11:32 |
| vgrade | slaine, is in AUS so not sure if he's about now tz wise | 11:33 |
| vgrade | gives Jucato his mic2 badge | 11:34 |
| Jucato | hehe thanks :) | 11:34 |
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| Jucato | ahaha ... seems like I won't be able to test it using qemu-kvm ... because my particular CPU doesn't have VT-x :) | 11:37 |
| lilstevie | well it is 22:37 in Australian Eastern DST | 11:37 |
| Jucato | I never get used to people having a bed time earlier than me :) | 11:39 |
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| mingwandroid_ | Jucato: been there, done that ;-) | 11:41 |
| lilstevie | heh | 11:41 |
| Jucato | :) | 11:42 |
| Jucato | I mean, I'm usually the one who's off to bed earliest | 11:42 |
| Jucato | just shows how few aussies or kiwis I know :) | 11:42 |
| mingwandroid_ | anyone tried qt media hub out? | 11:42 |
| slaine | mingwandroid: been interested in checking that out myself | 11:44 |
| * Jucato now wonders to which of exactly his dozen or so lines mingwandroid_ was replying to ... | 11:45 | |
| mingwandroid_ | sorry -> Jucato wonders why he's too obsessed with bringing Mer (plus whatever UX, though hopefully Plasma) to these low-cost tablets >.< | 11:46 |
| Jucato | mingwandroid_: aaah. and how has it been so far? :) | 11:46 |
| Jucato | wait, tegra2 aren't low-cost really :P | 11:46 |
| mingwandroid_ | We've got plasma working on tegra-2 devices, vega, pov mobii.. | 11:47 |
| mingwandroid_ | hmm, depends on what you call low cost. advent vega's cheap as chips | 11:47 |
| Jucato | yeah I've seen :) | 11:47 |
| mingwandroid_ | there's that hannspree thing that's even cheaper and chipsier. | 11:47 |
| Jucato | makes me so tempted to get my mom into trouble by risking bricking that advent vega :) | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | mingwandroid_: also transformer | 11:47 |
| mingwandroid_ | but prolly won't work as I've no idea if it's a shuttle or not. | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | but that one is not low cost | 11:47 |
| mingwandroid_ | lilstevie: yup, definitely not cheap ;-) | 11:48 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: ha! transformer isn't low cost :P | 11:48 |
| mingwandroid_ | lilstevie: well done btw! does the keyboard and touchpad etc work? all the ports too? | 11:48 |
| lilstevie | mingwandroid_: depends on what kernel you use | 11:48 |
| mingwandroid_ | your kernel? | 11:48 |
| lilstevie | there is some quirkiness in the driver on the android tree | 11:48 |
| lilstevie | using either kern on my github though it will work | 11:49 |
| mingwandroid_ | what sound has the transformer? and what wifi? wondering how close it is to a shuttle board.. | 11:49 |
| Jucato | mingwandroid_: the ones I've been thinking of (probably unfortunately) are even cheaper than those. probably almost half the price of the advent vega or a viewsonic. some even have resistive touch screens. a lot of them running the mentioned WonderMedia chips and apparently some Telechip chips. there's a huge market of those kinds of tablets here in Asia I think. | 11:50 |
| lilstevie | wm8903 and bcm4329 | 11:50 |
| Jucato | (but commercial considerations aside, making it more affordable for developers to start hacking on/contributing to projects like Mer and the UX's around it is to me a big advantage) | 11:51 |
| mingwandroid_ | Jucato: I really don't think you've get a nice experience from anything that slow. | 11:51 |
| mingwandroid_ | lilstevie: so not related to the vega at all, except for tegra 2. Do you build as CONFIG_HARMONY? | 11:51 |
| RaYmAn | tf is ventana | 11:51 |
| RaYmAn | based | 11:52 |
| lilstevie | on android it is ventana | 11:52 |
| Jucato | mingwandroid_: you might be right. we'll see. I need to check out that Telechip-based one. Cortex A8 and stuff. | 11:52 |
| lilstevie | heh RaYmAn no, you were right first | 11:52 |
| Jucato | vega is harmony right? | 11:52 |
| RaYmAn | lilstevie: yeah, but still not ENTIRELY ventana :P | 11:52 |
| lilstevie | it even runs the ventana bootloader | 11:52 |
| mingwandroid_ | no, it's shuttle | 11:52 |
| mingwandroid_ | but very close to harmony | 11:52 |
| Jucato | hm ... | 11:52 |
| Jucato | the local distributor/rebrander must have really messed things up | 11:53 |
| Jucato | the build in Android says "HARMONY" :) | 11:53 |
| lilstevie | harmony is a reference | 11:53 |
| mingwandroid_ | shuttle is the least supported variant, i.e. you wont find it in any official trees. | 11:53 |
| RaYmAn | pretty much all the harmony based tablets say "harmony" | 11:53 |
| mingwandroid_ | there's just tweaks here and there really, enough to be annoying. | 11:53 |
| mingwandroid_ | that's fixable with the device tree stuff? no? | 11:53 |
| Jucato | the customized android rom they put it in there makes it feel as cheap as the ones I'm mentioning. so it really surprised me that it was an Advent Vega and was capable of running Mer/PA that smoothly | 11:54 |
| mingwandroid_ | Jucato: tegra-2 is fairly good on any variant though... | 11:54 |
| mingwandroid_ | I think wayland/qt5 would be an interesting thing to look into. PA should work on it? | 11:55 |
| Jucato | mingwandroid_: it's fast yes. but with the android rom there, it's not pleasant to use at all | 11:55 |
| mingwandroid_ | Jucato: You tried vegacomb 3.2? | 11:55 |
| Jucato | mingwandroid_: not yet. as the tablet is technically not mine, nor my mom's. it's office property :) | 11:55 |
| Jucato | so I try to not mess around with it | 11:56 |
| mingwandroid_ | Jucato: they're unbrickable. don't worry, just do it | 11:56 |
| Jucato | seriously? :) | 11:56 |
| mingwandroid_ | if they could be bricked, I'd have bricked mine 20 times over already. | 11:56 |
| mingwandroid_ | yeah. so long as you make sure the APX driver installs and works you're good to go. | 11:57 |
| lilstevie | heh | 11:59 |
| Jucato | ok I'll try it out :) | 11:59 |
| Jucato | (beyond the N900, that will be my first time to install/use another ROM on a device) | 11:59 |
| Jucato | mingwandroid_: one thing I'm wondering about though, is that the advent vega is supposed to have a 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera right? the camera app on that thing has 640xsomething as the highest. | 12:00 |
| mingwandroid_ | dunno, the camera's completely rubbish though. | 12:02 |
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| slaine | The screen is awful on those Advent Vega's too | 12:02 |
| mingwandroid_ | yeah, god awful. | 12:02 |
| mingwandroid_ | but, that's why they're 200 quid and not 400 I guess. | 12:02 |
| lilstevie | I don't even have cameras working under linux | 12:03 |
| Jucato | (they cost almost $400 here, converted) | 12:03 |
| Jucato | (that rebranded vega I mean) | 12:03 |
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| vgrade | dam flight delayed 3 hours | 12:10 |
| Jucato | :( | 12:11 |
| Jucato | what happened? | 12:11 |
| cxl000 | slaine as in lives down under | 12:12 |
| slaine | cxl000: :) | 12:12 |
| cxl000 | TZ currently +11 | 12:12 |
| slaine | cxl000: going to try a trimslice build on my own OBS setup here | 12:13 |
| slaine | mind if I copy your mer packages ? | 12:13 |
| lilstevie | cxl000: heh so tas, vic or nsw then | 12:13 |
| lilstevie | :p | 12:13 |
| Sage_ | xruxa: so about your maps application you should submit it to CE:Apps project | 12:17 |
| cxl000 | vic. yes use the ones from home:cxl000:trimslice:Mer:testing | 12:19 |
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| lilstevie | cxl000: ah cool, same here | 12:21 |
| cxl000 | The driver package will build both hardfp and softfp versions | 12:21 |
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| Jucato | mingwandroid_: lol I've been badmouthing the local company who rebranded the vega for putting a braindead custom android on it, when I just learned, courtesy of some youtube vids, that it was actually the stock advent vega android rom :D | 12:29 |
| slaine | cxl000: cool | 12:29 |
| lilstevie | lul | 12:29 |
| Jucato | lilstevie: lulz indeed >.< | 12:30 |
| Jucato | so my apologies to any advent vega rom fans :D | 12:30 |
| cxl000 | I now need to cut the two images to SD card and see how glmark2 runs on each | 12:31 |
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| cxl000 | but thats going to be an exercise for the morning now | 12:34 |
| cxl000 | good night | 12:34 |
| slaine | night cxl000 | 12:34 |
| Jucato | good night | 12:34 |
| Jucato | (and to other people down under) | 12:34 |
| lilstevie | bed seems like a good idea | 12:39 |
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| harbaum | Mer also runs on the Beagleboard B6, C4 and the XM. And all onboard XM peripherals seem to run incl. the USB hub, ethernet and audio | 12:41 |
| Jucato | nice | 12:41 |
| Jucato | fast worker :) | 12:41 |
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| lilstevie | night | 12:45 |
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| Jucato | sweet dreams | 12:45 |
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| vgrade | cxl000, let me know on the hard vs soft results. | 13:04 |
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| slaine | Hmm, how do I import the armv7hl stuff from fakeobs then | 13:15 |
| slaine | I thought it'd be the same as the i586 but it's giving me errors | 13:16 |
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| * Stskeeps lands in prague and crashes in his hotel room | 13:28 | |
| slaine | that was quick | 13:29 |
| vgrade | quicker than its going to take me, flight delayed 3 hours | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | ouc | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | h | 13:33 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: got a minute ? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:40 |
| slaine | I want to rebuild for armv7hl on my obsvm | 13:40 |
| slaine | I thought I'd need to pull down the armv7hl stuff from fakeobs | 13:41 |
| slaine | osc ls fakeobs:Core:armv7hl | xargs -L1 -Ixxx osc linkpac -C copy fakeobs:Core:armv7hl xxx home:USERNAME | 13:41 |
| slaine | but that's not working | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | that should work | 13:41 |
| slaine | osc ls fakeobs:Core:armv7hl lists a subset of projects | 13:41 |
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| slaine | but I get an error saying "_link file already exists...! Aborting" | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | subset of projects? | 13:43 |
| slaine | The packages | 13:43 |
| slaine | but including extra ones, like the cross compiler or meego-accelerator or whatever it's called | 13:43 |
| slaine | a bunch of the -X86 ones used to speed it up | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:44 |
| slaine | was wondering if I needed to do something extra on my home:USERNAME project | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | there is what is in :i586 plus stuff to support the port | 13:45 |
| slaine | nod, which is what I was expecting | 13:45 |
| slaine | But I thought, because I have some stuff in the prjconf that i'd get pulled in like the i586 stuff did | 13:45 |
| slaine | http://pastebin.com/24K5j8R1 | 13:46 |
| slaine | that's the prjconf for home:glen | 13:46 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, that gets mixed in with whatever you have from the <repository'ies | 13:47 |
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| slaine | yeah, that's what I figured | 13:53 |
| slaine | then I thought it was because it's using armv8el, so I tried importing armv7l and thats giving the same issue | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so, one thing though... you cant mix the two ports in one repository | 13:53 |
| slaine | unless, 'cause it's already got the source from the previous i586 import | 13:53 |
| slaine | 586 and ARM or the two different arm ? | 13:54 |
| slaine | I'm only interested in armv7hl | 13:54 |
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| slaine | I left it running and the extra build reps are now imported, but it's all still listed under the i586 repo | 14:06 |
| slaine | I'm not sure how to make the armv7hl one active even though it's listed as enabled for build under the Repository liust | 14:06 |
| slaine | list | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: basically you shouldn't mix the ports | 14:07 |
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| slaine | So home:glen should be i586 | 14:08 |
| slaine | Why did I have to put armv8el and armv7el in the project conf then ? | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | shouldnt have for rebuilding the core :P my bad | 14:09 |
| * Stskeeps makes a note that this is a pain point | 14:09 | |
| slaine | So I should remove non i586 from home:glen | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | right | 14:10 |
| slaine | create a subproject for home:glen and call it armv7hl and set the architecture there ? | 14:10 |
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| Stskeeps | i need to think a bit :) | 14:11 |
| slaine | I'm not seeing armv8el under the list for architectures, how do I get OBS to know that actually means armv7hl ? | 14:11 |
| slaine | Oh, ok | 14:11 |
| slaine | we'll talk after Prague so | 14:11 |
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| Stskeeps | think i should just go catch a bite or something, :P | 14:11 |
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| andre__ | Stskeeps: Palladium shopping center around the corner should offer enough options for food, if you're lazy :) | 14:35 |
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| hangingout | hello all | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | andre__: indeed, i located a BK, i'm happy | 15:02 |
| Jucato | Burger King? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:02 |
| Jucato | wow they still exist? :) | 15:03 |
| Jucato | and apparently has a fan :) | 15:03 |
| Jucato | we have/had BK's here too. they kinda died out against McDonald's and the local burger giant | 15:04 |
| Jucato | do they also have free wifi in BK's over there? | 15:04 |
| slaine | Jucato where are you ? | 15:05 |
| Jucato | a far, far away place :) | 15:05 |
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| Jucato | Philippines, Southeast Asia | 15:05 |
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| slaine | Wow, I'd love to get there some day | 15:06 |
| Jucato | there are nice spots here. mostly beaches or islands. the metropolis is too ... oversaturated :) | 15:07 |
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| hangingout | bye all | 15:22 |
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| Stskeeps | morn tripzero | 15:57 |
| tripzero | good morning | 15:58 |
| tripzero | i'm looking for a link to daily mer images | 15:59 |
| tripzero | for the n900 | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | [11:50] <Sage_> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ N900 & x86 Nemo images | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldnt say 'daily' jsut yet :) | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | that's mer plus n900 hw adaptation plus handset ux/nemo | 16:00 |
| tripzero | awesome | 16:00 |
| tripzero | mind if i add the link to the mer wiki? | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | go ahead i guess | 16:01 |
| Jucato | MerN900Nemo | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum also has beagleboard images going now too | 16:01 |
| Jucato | Nemo900 | 16:01 |
| tripzero | ooo | 16:01 |
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| dm8tbr | 'yello - the race' | 16:02 |
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| dm8tbr | can we find a device with 500 in the name and call the next ux 'indy'? ;) | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | nokia 500,? | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | ;p | 16:04 |
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| slaine | screw this, I'm going hime | 16:15 |
| slaine | laters | 16:15 |
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| crevetor | hello good merians | 19:33 |
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| crevetor | is htere a mer build for armv7l ? | 19:34 |
| _av500_ | dm8tbr: av500 of course | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: yes | 19:44 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: where can I find it ? | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | same place as rest | 19:45 |
| crevetor | this http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/archive/1.2.90.5.0.20110927.81.CE.2011-09-27.1/images/ ? | 19:45 |
| dm8tbr | _av500_: ah, yes, let's revive 'arOS' 'arcOS' or whatever the name was of what later ended up being ArchOpen ;) | 19:47 |
| _av500_ | dm8tbr: i forgot | 19:47 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: ? | 19:51 |
| mingwandroid | merians? | 19:56 |
| mingwandroid | not mermen (and mermaids)? | 19:56 |
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| crevetor | mingwandroid: that is better :) | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: ah.. mer is a core, so no ui on top, check releases.merproject.org -- for CE/Nemo, we dont have softfp build yet i think | 20:05 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: a core is fine for now, I'll builld a UX on top of it later :) | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: where do you hope to put it on? | 20:26 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: HP Touchpad | 20:26 |
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| Stskeeps | ah | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | you're going to need llvmpipe for that, qualcomm core :/ | 20:27 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: can you elaborate on that ? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: as in there's not good non-android GLES support on qualcomm devices | 20:28 |
| crevetor | WebOS uses android-style GLES ? | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | point | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | they use glibc? | 20:29 |
| crevetor | grmbl | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, you did make a useful point :P | 20:29 |
| crevetor | ha ok | 20:29 |
| crevetor | sorry I thought you meant that they did | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably just expect framebuffer gles but that may be useful too | 20:29 |
| crevetor | I'll check that out when I get home | 20:30 |
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| crevetor | Well I'm not there yet anyways ;) I need to get some sort of minimal meego/mer image to boot | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:30 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: by the way what's this "project grande" you guys are working on ? | 20:32 |
| crevetor | A UX ? | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: an exploration | 20:32 |
| crevetor | That's kind of... cryptic | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cf7IL_eZ38 | 20:33 |
| crevetor | Ho that's the goal ?! | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | seeing how we can utilize standard tools and minimal cores to make a good foundation for such a world | 20:33 |
| crevetor | neat | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | let's see where it leads us, timeframe is a bit longer than mer one :) | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | saw alterego's demo? | 20:34 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: yep | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:35 |
| crevetor | I'd love to see it done through NFC | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | sure, me too | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | i just don't have any ;) | 20:35 |
| crevetor | I do now (bought an N9) | 20:36 |
| crevetor | Maybe I could buy an nfc USB thingy | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: it's on my list | 20:36 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: where do you live ? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | poland | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | in prague right now for linuxcon though | 20:36 |
| crevetor | ok | 20:37 |
| crevetor | is the N9 coming out in poland ? | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i can even get it on subscription | 20:37 |
| crevetor | Well in any case you're lucky to be in europe I had to payy 1055$ to get it here | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | they are advertising N9 and Nokia 500 quite a lot | 20:37 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: you should have gone to QTDD you'de had gotten one for free ;) | 20:40 |
| crevetor | you'd have | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | prolly, but may be disqualified as a subcontractor | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | besides that, i need to remember how it feels to actually buy a phone.. | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:42 |
| crevetor | Yeah I had to remember that too as I hadn't bought one in 4 years or something like that :) | 20:42 |
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| cxl000 | crevetor I believe plasma active is available in softfp | 20:54 |
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| crevetor | cxl000: maybe I'll try that :) | 20:59 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: saw that snowball has gles drivers now? | 21:11 |
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| pdanek | how about running Nokia Maps on Mer? :) | 22:05 |
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