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| Stskeeps | zzz | 05:44 |
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| Jucato | yyy | 05:57 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: did I understand you right: there isn't much interesting things going for the n950, but more for the N900, then the ExoPC? | 05:57 |
| Stskeeps | n950 is just next in queue, check the community workspace wiki | 05:58 |
| Jucato | ah. there's an order/sequence there? | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, n900 is easiest to get to work ;) in practice, the thing is just that we took n900 repo first as that's where there's most potential contributors | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | than n950 | 06:00 |
| Stskeeps | which only 250 people have, most of them not too into Nemo/CE | 06:00 |
| Jucato | ah | 06:00 |
| Jucato | the n950 isn't even in that wiki page btw :) | 06:01 |
| Jucato | anyway, I was just thinking what would be the work needed for ExoPC | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | probably minor adjustments upon the pc adaptatio | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | n | 06:01 |
| Stskeeps | ie, enable HDMI, perhaps some alsa settings, etc.. | 06:01 |
| Jucato | I was thinking it wouldn't be of much interest to you guys since it's basically a pc platform :) | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | i have an exopc, i'm not too picky about platforms | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | as long as they run Mer | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:03 |
| Jucato | haha | 06:03 |
| Stskeeps | seriously though, i have plenty of x86 equipment at home, non-atom too, that i'd like to use :P | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | and CE really runs really well on x86 too | 06:06 |
| Jucato | I wouldn't be surprised if someone took Mer and created a normal distro on top (and below) :P | 06:07 |
| Jucato | I mean, you basically have the stuff needed for a desktop distro: the base packages that includes X and Qt, the process for packaging, etc. | 06:11 |
| lilstevie | bleh, zypper is being a pita | 06:17 |
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| lilstevie | not able to download or update packages | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lilstevie: on mer/meego? | 06:49 |
| lilstevie | meego | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | armv7hl? | 06:50 |
| Jucato | just out of curiosity, wondering if I've missed anything these past days ... but there has basically been no movement on the Tizen front right? | 06:50 |
| lilstevie | yeah | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: pretty much | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | lilstevie: trunk or trunk:testing | 06:50 |
| Jucato | hm ... | 06:50 |
| lilstevie | that I don't know | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: i'm going to linuxcon and they have some talks on architecture etc.. | 06:50 |
| Jucato | conspiracy thinking: they're probably waiting for nokia world to be over :D | 06:51 |
| Jucato | Stskeeps: oh. sweet! | 06:51 |
| Jucato | vgrade will be giving a talk too right? | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 06:51 |
| * Jucato wonders if those will be steamed live | 06:51 | |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: when are you arriving in prague btw? | 06:51 |
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| Stskeeps | Jucato: traditionally no | 06:51 |
| Jucato | ah | 06:51 |
| Jucato | well I hope even late videos :) | 06:52 |
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| lilstevie | Stskeeps: is there a repo that I should add? | 06:56 |
| Stskeeps | lilstevie: well, you could switch to mer base and we have working zypper there :P | 06:57 |
| lilstevie | heh | 06:57 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: be scared, i'm going to test your instructions | 08:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:35 |
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| stskeepsie | that -so- better not have been my server crashing | 08:46 |
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| lilstevie | lol | 08:47 |
| dm8tbr | and there went the obs too | 08:51 |
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| lbt | morning :) | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | if i find out there was a 'reboot -f' in the boss init scripts, someone will have to die | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:05 |
| lbt | just a little one... | 09:05 |
| lbt | hacked on the Process page a bit more last night | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | anyway | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | @400000004ea3d9ed36a5c4dc /usr/lib64/ruby/vendor_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:32:in `gem_original_require': no such file to load -- ruote (LoadError) | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | @400000004ea3d9ed36a5c8c4 from /usr/lib64/ruby/vendor_ruby/1.8/rubygems/custom_require.rb:32:in `require' | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | @400000004ea3d9ed36a5ccac from /usr/lib/boss/boss-daemon.rb:9 | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | i did zypper in boss | 09:10 |
| lbt | ah | 09:10 |
| lbt | do you have a squeeze VM ? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | no, opensuse 11.4 | 09:11 |
| lbt | sorry, it's practically untested on suse - - we just didn't have the manpower to track both | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | sigh | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | then don't add it in documentation.... | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:11 |
| lbt | it builds though - so it's probably just an intall dependency | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | ruote is actually installed, though | 09:12 |
| lbt | well - when the docs were written, it *did* work | 09:12 |
| lbt | and I tested it | 09:12 |
| lbt | the "it just works" approach is to use debian | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | this is going to need an appliance format to be sane.. | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:16 |
| lbt | not really ... the install instructions on debian are 'apt-get install boss' | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | either way, appliance was in terms of "if some should set up BOSS in their company" | 09:22 |
| lbt | *nod* | 09:23 |
| lbt | nb... I'm sanity checking the page | 09:24 |
| lbt | check before you begin | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | i'll take a look at Process meanwhile | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | I'd be willing to test-drive a combination of boss, obs, img - if we set up appliances :) | 09:29 |
| * lbt mutters about bloody appliances | 09:29 | |
| dm8tbr | hrhr | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | a chainsaw is an appliance? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:29 |
| lbt | any half decent sysadmin would kick you in the nuts if you even suggested that | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | ok, I'm also willing to install debian and run it all there :) | 09:29 |
| lbt | yeah - that should be totally simple | 09:30 |
| lbt | I'm just pressing the button on making a VM | 09:30 |
| lbt | ... | 09:30 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: not for a full production deployment... | 09:30 |
| lbt | sure - just get a basic squeeze VM | 09:31 |
| lbt | an appliance even :) | 09:31 |
| lbt | I admit - if I had suse's tool for debian I'd just make you one | 09:32 |
| lbt | but I don't | 09:32 |
| dm8tbr | I'm perfectly capable of setting up VMs and servers (preferably with debian actually) | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | i vote we run it all on top of mer | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:33 |
| dm8tbr | the idea was to give possible vendors a 'quick evaluate' option | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 09:33 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: *nod* | 09:33 |
| dm8tbr | maybe not a 25GB vm *giggle* | 09:33 |
| lbt | I'm kinda grumpy because I put a lot of effort into the docs and am annoyed we let them get out of date | 09:34 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: I know you were not serious, still it might make sense to consider the side usecase of 'mer as a generic distro core' to give it the stress and running | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: yeah.. except server demand is much different than mobile | 09:34 |
| dm8tbr | I know aard runs meego with a generic WM on top as his laptop distro | 09:34 |
| dm8tbr | sure, I just branched the conversation thread :) | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:35 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: I think it would be nice to create Nero to do that | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | i am kind of curious if someone would make a netbook UX with Lipstick | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | it should be fairly trivial | 09:36 |
| lbt | 'cos I call Nemo, Nero too often - so if there was a 'server install' called Nero that's cool | 09:36 |
| lbt | VM up | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | VM up? | 09:36 |
| lbt | mine here | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | mine's still installing | 09:37 |
| lbt | actually the VM takes 5secs ... then 3mins to upgrade to latest debian | 09:37 |
| lbt | LVM snapshots :) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | so where do you want to put mer boss? | 09:38 |
| lbt | it has to be on a LAN really | 09:39 |
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| lbt | it's not safe for open internet use yet | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:40 |
| lbt | so on a VM next to gerrit sounds fine | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:40 |
| lbt | we can tunnel out to meego.com | 09:40 |
| lbt | "apt-get install --no-install-recommends boss" works fine for me on squeeze | 09:43 |
| lbt | so does | 09:43 |
| lbt | apt-get install --no-install-recommends boss-viewer | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | right, but does it start too? mine started but complained loudly in log | 09:44 |
| lbt | root@bbb:~# /etc/init.d/boss log | 09:44 |
| lbt | 2011-10-23 09:41:21.343555500 Engine running | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | ooh. n9 commercial on tv | 09:44 |
| lbt | what repo did you use? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | RC | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | btw, this was my opensuse error | 09:45 |
| lbt | ah - it could be that | 09:45 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Infrastructure/BOSS/Installation | 09:45 |
| lbt | I have been editing it - use Testing | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 09:45 |
| lbt | Testing may have worked on suse but I don't have the confidence there - we kinda 'regression test' on debian | 09:46 |
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| smoku | morn' ppl | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | morn smoku | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | how's stuff? | 09:46 |
| smoku | rockin' :) | 09:46 |
| lbt | hey smoku | 09:47 |
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| smoku | just bought i8320 H1 to see how hackable it is :) | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | samsung's? | 09:48 |
| smoku | yup. limo one | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | what SoC? | 09:49 |
| smoku | 3430 | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | omap? | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 09:50 |
| smoku | omap 3430 | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks fairly hackable | 09:50 |
| smoku | the specs and limo 2.0 look is like el'cheapo N9 ;-) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | n9's omap36xx i think | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah | 09:52 |
| smoku | thus el'cheapo ;-) | 09:52 |
| smoku | amoled screen, ui similar to harmattan's swipe | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, nice detail: internal traffic in hetzner is free | 09:54 |
| smoku | well... it would be a rip-off if it wasn't really ;-) | 09:57 |
| smoku | does that mean you consider more machines? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm contemplating a http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5 | 09:57 |
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| smoku | which one do you have now? | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | like, on top | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | i have a eq 5, 12gb ram instead, 2x1tb hd | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | not listed on the site anymore | 09:59 |
| smoku | more power! :D | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | ram is usually what is needed ;) | 10:00 |
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| Stskeeps | with 24gb i could probably sanely run a larger bunch of workers | 10:01 |
| smoku | do you need more? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, ideally we'll make it able to distribute some of the ports out to other companies | 10:01 |
| smoku | I mean whether the current one is underperforming? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's fairly fast but if we're to do proper QA we need more resources around the place | 10:03 |
| smoku | it's not like you're rebuilding the whole loot every week or so | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Process - we're planning on a good quality core :) | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | so all output from the core project will be quite sanity checked | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | so that's why i'm looking at how to scale up | 10:04 |
| smoku | oh. so you're just investigating options | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | it'll for sure take some strain that we'll do some build checks, let's say if acl package rebuilds, it's comparable to a rebuild | 10:05 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: done some updates on the boss install page | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: k | 10:05 |
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| Sage_ | o/ | 10:06 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'm going to see how the LF people are this week before making any infra decisions | 10:06 |
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| lbt | hey Sage_ | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah | 10:07 |
| lbt | we heard that the infra in m.c will be funded for another 2 years | 10:07 |
| Sage_ | lbt: will start fixing the x86 packages now | 10:07 |
| lbt | Sage_: cool - can I take my exopc to prague? | 10:07 |
| lbt | running Nemo ? | 10:07 |
| Sage_ | when do you leave? :) | 10:08 |
| lbt | tue midday | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think it's important to listen and reach out while at linuxcon.. it's tempting to heckle and raise issues but think we need to get a collaborative relationship going with the new tizen crowd and let them run their ship and interface with them like a vendor utilizing them would | 10:08 |
| Sage_ | possibly | 10:08 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: it's all about helping Tizen succeed for me | 10:08 |
| Sage_ | My goal is to get images out end of tue as I'm leaving for a short vacation then. Wed-Sun. | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: :nod: | 10:08 |
| lbt | cool | 10:09 |
| lbt | Sage_: cool | 10:09 |
| lbt | Sage_: you know we have a machine called shell on the m.c infra | 10:09 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: yes I've heard of it | 10:10 |
| lbt | if you're doing osc co/ci on things like kernel then it may help to be local | 10:10 |
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| lbt | yell if that appeals | 10:10 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, will be arriving very late Tuesday night | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: ok | 10:12 |
| lbt | vgrade: coming from UK? | 10:13 |
| * lbt lands at 18:50 | 10:13 | |
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| Stskeeps | heh | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | it looks like they dropped the tizen architecture talk | 10:21 |
| Sage_ | lol, what? | 10:21 |
| lbt | *sigh* | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | well, at least it should be good to talk to some yocto people | 10:23 |
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| vgrade | lbt, yes, I'm on a later flight | 10:25 |
| lbt | nm then :) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: might be something as innocent as visa problems | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, a bit annoying | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:28 |
| lbt | I thought there were more than just 2 tizen talks | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | schedule changed a bit it looks like | 10:29 |
| * dm8tbr puts his tinfoil hat on, cue them rebranding to pinkOS instead of titzen over 'unspecified reasons' | 10:30 | |
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| Stskeeps | i just hope it doesn't cause less development into mobile linux that isn't android, tbh | 10:32 |
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| Stskeeps | i could care less about the name but some of the components are very useufl | 10:33 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/embedded-linux-conference-europe/pinchart <- sounds interesting | 10:33 |
| lbt | just more Intel/Samsung drama possibly | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least we can argue publically.. | 10:34 |
| * w00t is rather glad to not be drinking the tizen coolaid | 10:35 | |
| lbt | at least Dawn is still talking | 10:35 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, since we're discussing governance/drama, i'd really like hard, cynical and useful feedback on http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Governance_draft | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | it's fairly ~yocto's, but advisory board is differently put togethe | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | r | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | interest groups can be Nemo, Plasma Active, a company, group of companies, etc | 10:37 |
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| lbt | 2+2+2+1 = 7, not 9 | 10:38 |
| lbt | AB ? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | advisory board | 10:38 |
| lbt | yeah - that's where I was questioning the math | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | and you're right, i can't do math | 10:38 |
| * Stskeeps fixes | 10:40 | |
| lbt | wasn't sure if you'd missed a 2 or meant 7 | 10:40 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: true | 10:41 |
| lbt | do you want to get into non-profit side of it? | 10:41 |
| lbt | maybe mention that finances are likely to be managed in that way | 10:42 |
| lbt | and AB will probably elect people to roles in those areas | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | AB would probably be the board of non-profit and create the administrative things | 10:45 |
| lbt | s/finances/general admin operations/ | 10:45 |
| lbt | yeah | 10:45 |
| lbt | wasn't sure how burdensome that would be | 10:46 |
| lbt | probably not too bad with delegation | 10:46 |
| lbt | how come I don't stay logged in? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | on the wiki? | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | unsure | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | ask alterego | 10:47 |
| * lbt may file a bug :) | 10:47 | |
| lbt | SSO ... | 10:47 |
| lbt | :D | 10:47 |
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| lbt | I want to be careful to permit Mer to include Nemo as a fully operated sub-project | 10:52 |
| lbt | whilst we're starting with a focus on the core I don't want that to limit our direction/scope | 10:53 |
| lbt | bbiam | 10:54 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: sent fixes based on boss report to all of the x86 packages. | 11:00 |
| Sage_ | to the source prj. diddn't make SR's | 11:00 |
| Sage_ | checking the Utils next | 11:00 |
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| lbt | Sage_: OK - I'll redo the SRs then | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah.. while Nemo SG doesn't seem to want a tight bonding to Mer, which is fair (see the naming discussion from last steering group meeting) | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think we should keep with the non-preferentials | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | ie, we make sure we have a sane vendor-core interface by running everyone through it | 11:08 |
| lbt | I see that as a "Mer Core" thing - and I agree | 11:09 |
| lbt | I'd say Nemo wouldn't be 'preferred' - but it may well be operated within the scope of the overall Mer project | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | either way, we run this community approach for 1 1/2 months and see where it gets us | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | i just really really want to keep out politics :) | 11:11 |
| lbt | so far I see nothing problematic - just banging on about keeping the scope open | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:11 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: utils fixed as wlel | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm saying that we try this approach for 1 1/2 months, see how it works, re-evaluate, etc | 11:12 |
| lbt | Sage_: wow - too quick for me | 11:12 |
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| Sage_ | ok, time for a break. | 11:13 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: BOSS running | 11:16 |
| lbt | good - not too hard in the end? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | right | 11:16 |
| lbt | skynet list? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | didn't install skynet yet | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | just testing boss-viewer | 11:18 |
| lbt | OK | 11:18 |
| faenil | if there's anything to test/do, I'm here | 11:21 |
| faenil | from Munich xD | 11:21 |
| lbt | gah - can't tell what's in the boss pending queue | 11:22 |
| lbt | can't *easily* tell | 11:23 |
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| lbt | x86 on the way ... | 11:37 |
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| Sage_ | hmmp... new errors. | 11:40 |
| faenil | the-boss is upset today | 11:40 |
| lbt | :) | 11:41 |
| lbt | it is really annoying that the obs webui doesn't show the reviews | 11:41 |
| lbt | we should have them with 2.3 which is scheduled for trial deployment next sat/sun | 11:42 |
| * lbt is wondering about redmine or similar Stskeeps | 11:42 | |
| lbt | for non-code stuff | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | let's just get the basics going first | 11:44 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: sent fixes to those 4 failed packages on x86 | 11:46 |
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| * Stskeeps glances at his business card sketch | 13:04 | |
| Stskeeps | okay, "visionary" as title isn't going to cut it.. | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:19 |
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| timakima | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoIvd3zzu4Y just some ideas :P | 13:28 |
| smoku | stskeeps: in our scene group we had a position of 'dreamer' | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | timakima: good point, bring chainsaw | 13:28 |
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| Venemo | hey smoku! | 14:15 |
| Venemo | smoku, if facebook is not lying, happy birthday to you :) | 14:15 |
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| berndhs | I had forgoten about the neemo project http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/NEEMO/index.html | 15:20 |
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| harbaum | Evening! | 18:18 |
| harbaum | I have been trying to redo my beagle setup on a second machine. But mic is complaining "Generating primary.sqlite from primary.xml for repo ti-omap3-gfx with arch i686... | 18:20 |
| harbaum | Error: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option. | 18:20 |
| harbaum | " | 18:20 |
| harbaum | There of course is no i686 version of that repo. Or what is mic trying to do here? | 18:22 |
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| vgrade | harbaum, the armv7l plasma build is ready | 18:29 |
| harbaum | cool, demo .ks? | 18:30 |
| vgrade | only have one for vega and N900 armv7hl, sec for links | 18:31 |
| vgrade | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5715485/plasma-handset-armv7hl-n900.ks | 18:33 |
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| harbaum | thx, will give it a try | 18:36 |
| harbaum | still i don't have an idea what mic is complaing about in my second setup | 18:36 |
| vgrade | still very WIP atm | 18:36 |
| vgrade | I looked but have not seen that error before | 18:37 |
| vgrade | you have latest mic from git and updated tools from meego tools repo | 18:38 |
| harbaum | latest mic, yes. everthing else is a fresh ubuntu 11.10 | 18:39 |
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| lbt | vgrade: ping | 22:01 |
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| vgrade | lbt, hi | 22:13 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, hi | 22:13 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: hey mate. | 22:13 |
| lbt | hey vgrade.... just looking at the exopc/plasma ks you did | 22:13 |
| lbt | http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/exopc/mer-plasma/handset-ia32-plasma.ks | 22:13 |
| vgrade | ok | 22:14 |
| lbt | I know about Sage's repo relocation | 22:14 |
| lbt | but what about home:/vgrade:/branches:/Project:/KDE:/Trunk:/Testing/Mer_Base/ | 22:14 |
| lbt | and /home:/vgrade:/PA2/standard/ | 22:14 |
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| vgrade | they have also been updated to buld agianst Mer_Core_<arch> now | 22:16 |
| lbt | ah, are they just not published ? | 22:16 |
| vgrade | also the Exopc build crashes in plasma-device program so still WIP | 22:16 |
| vgrade | should be | 22:17 |
| lbt | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade/ | 22:17 |
| lbt | I just want to start seeing things on my devices | 22:17 |
| lbt | and plasma on the exo is a good place to go | 22:17 |
| vgrade | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Avgrade%3Abranches%3AProject%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting | 22:18 |
| vgrade | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Avgrade%3APA2 | 22:18 |
| vgrade | lbt, I was thinking about your Jogger as well today, also a good plasma device | 22:18 |
| lbt | yeah - it should be | 22:19 |
| vgrade | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vgrade%3a/ | 22:19 |
| lbt | oh damn it - I was looking at it w/o the : | 22:20 |
| vgrade | if only I had the time to bet builds going for all these | 22:20 |
| lbt | see - too little time spent getting my hands dirty :) | 22:20 |
| lbt | well I'm going to spend some time on it over the next week or so (post LinuxCon) | 22:21 |
| lbt | may well need a hand getting going though :) | 22:21 |
| vgrade | ok, we've got quite a number of builds going now but the matrix is quite large of adaptations and UX | 22:22 |
| lbt | I'd like to find a better way to document these | 22:22 |
| lbt | and ideally do build tests too | 22:23 |
| lbt | we have automated image generation on meego.com | 22:23 |
| vgrade | give me a shout anytime | 22:23 |
| lbt | and 3 decent VMs which can process them | 22:23 |
| lbt | I hope to see some LF and Intel people this week with Carsten | 22:23 |
| vgrade | yea, I tried to get IMG running on Amazon | 22:23 |
| lbt | and see if there's any way Mer can be blessed to use the meego community infra | 22:24 |
| lbt | it could work on Amazon I guess | 22:24 |
| lbt | frankly I can't install it locally this week | 22:24 |
| lbt | something is broken in the packaging | 22:25 |
| vgrade | What do you need to run on community infra | 22:26 |
| lbt | I have an IMG installation there | 22:26 |
| lbt | hooked into the OBS process automation | 22:27 |
| lbt | it should allow us to do image regression tests easily | 22:27 |
| lbt | so it's there and operational | 22:27 |
| vgrade | ah Ok , so looking to do IMG QA builds for new SR | 22:27 |
| lbt | yes | 22:27 |
| lbt | you probably saw the noise in meego-arm recently | 22:28 |
| vgrade | yes, don't argue with the BOSS | 22:28 |
| lbt | :) | 22:28 |
| lbt | http://autodoc.meego.com/boss/processes/CE/Adaptation/N900/SRCSRV_REQUEST_CREATE.CE.pdef is our automation | 22:28 |
| lbt | and it says : # IMG is failing 11/Oct/2011 - restore when working | 22:29 |
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| vgrade | I must have a look at how to get some of my adaptations and image builds into the same format as the CE/Nemo ones. I noticed that Carsten was doing something with autogeneration of .ks files | 22:33 |
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| vgrade | mingwandroid, hows things | 22:34 |
| lbt | anyhow... 'night all | 22:35 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: not bad. been keeping myself busy, not dropped by here for nearly a week. | 22:35 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, been to Scotland for the last few days visiting family so not been working so much | 22:35 |
| vgrade | lbt, night | 22:35 |
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| vgrade | mingwandroid, laptop fixed? | 22:35 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: I've been busy with android necessitas work. laptop still screwed, dell asked for 400 quid to fix it! | 22:36 |
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| vgrade | mingwandroid, f**k em fix it yourself | 22:36 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: and a 6 week turnaround. naah, not into that. | 22:36 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: sorry, that was just for the part. I'll fix it myself ok. | 22:36 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, for a lcd screen! | 22:37 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: found someone on ebay with the same panel going for 50 quid, but the picture didn't match and the descriptions didnt either. | 22:37 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: yeah, takes the piss. ok it's 1080p 120hz, but still... | 22:37 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: you were thinking of shopping for a laptop? | 22:38 |
| vgrade | break it apart and get the part no off the screen. They are all manufactured by small no of manufacturers . | 22:38 |
| mingwandroid | yeah, done all that. | 22:38 |
| vgrade | yes I was/still am really | 22:38 |
| vgrade | one of the plasma active guys got a povi tablet | 22:39 |
| mingwandroid | someone at work got the same one I've got for 900 quid (with a pair of 3d glasses he couldn't remove from the basket). very good price, but I think the deal ended. | 22:39 |
| vgrade | downloaded my plasman image and I made him a boot.img with your kernel and my initrd | 22:39 |
| mingwandroid | 600 quid off then an extra 10% it was. | 22:40 |
| vgrade | 900 quid , a biut steep atm | 22:40 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: nice one! so shuttle will be a first class plasma active citizen then? | 22:40 |
| vgrade | booted into plasma first time | 22:40 |
| mingwandroid | of course ;-) | 22:41 |
| mingwandroid | does he hack kernels too? | 22:41 |
| vgrade | I thought the povi was a vega clone | 22:41 |
| mingwandroid | yeah it is, they're all based on the shuttle board P1AN0 thingy. | 22:41 |
| vgrade | nope he's a plasma dev, works for basyskom | 22:41 |
| vgrade | they have taken it to Qt Developer Days in Munich | 22:42 |
| mingwandroid | ah cool. kudos to us then. | 22:42 |
| vgrade | I also made a N900 image which boots but we can't remove the welcome widget | 22:43 |
| mingwandroid | Ah that same old problem? | 22:43 |
| mingwandroid | when is Qt Devs Day? | 22:44 |
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| mingwandroid | I'd love to have been able to go, but knew I wouldn't so I haven't paid much atention. | 22:44 |
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| vgrade | QT DD , next week | 22:46 |
| cxl000 | morning vgrade | 22:46 |
| vgrade | cxl000, morning, hows things | 22:47 |
| cxl000 | managed to package softfp drivers for tegra | 22:47 |
| vgrade | just talking to mingwandroid about the plasma guys getting plasma image up on povi tablet | 22:47 |
| vgrade | ah , ok , so we can do some benchmarks | 22:48 |
| vgrade | and lilstevie has something up on asus transformer as well | 22:48 |
| cxl000 | I need to get glmark2 built and then bootstap an armv7l mer image | 22:50 |
| vgrade | https://picasaweb.google.com/100825745639484086218/ | 22:52 |
| cxl000 | I think I'll have a look at QT after that and see if I can get EGL working on 24 bit | 22:52 |
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| vgrade | I used this core Mer kickstart on Vega, http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/tegra2/mer-core-armv7l.ks | 22:54 |
| mingwandroid | although we're hw accelerated, it feels a little laggy to me on vega. | 22:54 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: about your laptop, what about a transformer 2? ;-) | 22:56 |
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| cxl000 | It seemed reasonably responsive on trimslice though it takes a while to start. I'll have to try taking a video | 22:56 |
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| mingwandroid | launching november 7th or something. | 22:57 |
| mingwandroid | how much ram in ts? | 22:57 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, I'd heared that the later transformers are locked | 22:57 |
| vgrade | more thane the vega I think | 22:58 |
| mingwandroid | I had a look at the kernel source for ICS and there was no tegra2 stuff in there at all. | 22:58 |
| mingwandroid | vega's wide open ;-) | 22:58 |
| vgrade | cxl000, video would be good | 22:59 |
| RaYmAn | vgrade: all transformers are locked, we just got the secure boot key for earlier ones :P | 22:59 |
| vgrade | RaYmAn, hi, hi | 23:00 |
| mingwandroid | so can you only install on early transformers? what was the root method anyway? | 23:00 |
| vgrade | RaYmAn, by fair means or foul? | 23:00 |
| vgrade | I don't know why companies do this. Have HTC changed tack on this recently | 23:01 |
| RaYmAn | vgrade: foul ;P | 23:01 |
| RaYmAn | it makes even less sense of tablets with no provider tie-in | 23:01 |
| mingwandroid | everyone's saying they'll stop locking down but then they keep releasing locked devices. | 23:02 |
| RaYmAn | yeah | 23:02 |
| RaYmAn | with some luck later transformers should be blown open soon-ish | 23:02 |
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| mingwandroid | people actively looking for an exploit? | 23:02 |
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| RaYmAn | well, we have the key for newer devices, but they changed the BootROM sufficiently that current nvflash fails | 23:03 |
| mingwandroid | shame, I'd definitely buy a t2 if I didn't hear this about t1. | 23:04 |
| mingwandroid | prolly buy one anyway though as I'm an idiot. | 23:04 |
| RaYmAn | heh, me too | 23:04 |
| RaYmAn | hoping to be able to unlock it | 23:04 |
| mingwandroid | RaYmAn: So what's the procedure for getting keys? Some super fast bus snooping required? | 23:05 |
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| RaYmAn | mingwandroid: the key never leaves the SoC afaik, so no | 23:06 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: can you add my kernel-devel package to your vega .ks's? | 23:06 |
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| mingwandroid | RaYmAn: that makes things tricky then, so there's a different key per batch of them I suppose? Hardwired into the SoC? | 23:08 |
| vgrade | yes, I can. I need to get things like that into git | 23:08 |
| RaYmAn | mingwandroid: it's set during production, yes | 23:08 |
| vgrade | so we can all edit | 23:08 |
| RaYmAn | it's set in fuses | 23:08 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: Cheers. Still think we could do with a better kernel hacker than myself, also I'm not going to have a load of time for a while I don't think. | 23:08 |
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| RaYmAn | mingwandroid: as far as we're aware, there's only two different keys so far (for TF101)...the 3G version has another key and so does the Slider | 23:09 |
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| vgrade | mingwandroid, I think we need to do a plan for the kernel with the ac100, trimslice, transformer people | 23:12 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: agreed. | 23:12 |
| RaYmAn | vgrade: and adam! :D | 23:13 |
| vgrade | I'll ping an email, RaYmAn, who's working the transformer and sry I forgot the Adam | 23:13 |
| RaYmAn | I guess lilstevie is transformer mostly? =P | 23:14 |
| vgrade | I think I have a ac100 contact | 23:14 |
| vgrade | and know the compulabs guys | 23:15 |
| RaYmAn | I spent ages porting 2.6.36 to adam, so I guess I'm closest to adam (and I am interested in getting meego on there) | 23:15 |
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| vgrade | I think the arch guys were working on 3.0 for trinmslice | 23:15 |
| RaYmAn | hmm, I though 3.0 was missing a bunch of graphics stuff so far | 23:16 |
| RaYmAn | thought* | 23:16 |
| vgrade | I'll see what I can do while I'm at linuxcon next week | 23:16 |
| vgrade | RaYmAn, I think you may be right, I've not been following that closely | 23:17 |
| vgrade | What about getting a meeting organised on TegraLinux channel? | 23:18 |
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| RaYmAn | that could work ..I forgot to join that agian, lol | 23:19 |
| vgrade | ok I'll send some emails and announcement on TegraLinux, trimslice and ac100 to try and set something up for next week. | 23:21 |
| vgrade | I have a couple of nVidia contacts who may be interested | 23:22 |
| RaYmAn | well, given that android 4.0 appears to be kernel 3.0.1, I'm sure the LDK will be moved to that kernel too | 23:24 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: nVidia contacts? great. | 23:44 |
| RaYmAn | get them to remove all security features from T3 :/ | 23:46 |
| RaYmAn | lol | 23:46 |
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