Friday, 2011-10-21

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vgradecxl000, I remember that running tablet-ux needed 16bit I think. Something about non matching formats00:18
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cxl000yes. QT tries to match an EGL config with a X11 visual. There is some analysis in QTBUG-9506.00:39
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dm8tbrmood groaning04:55
iekkufriday \o/04:55
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iekkummmm, coffee05:28
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rantomCold coffee :'(06:31
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* Stskeeps passes rantom the coffee pot06:32
* rantom takes it and pours to the cup06:32
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jarkko^so.. what name did won the name voting? :)06:36
dm8tbrPinkPonyOS! :p06:36
jarkko^will pixar sue you? :)06:37
igheadisney might06:38
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StskeepsPinkos, ze real communist open source OS06:38
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igheais thpostdnfw already taken?06:40
StskeepsSage_: do you have any opinions on kickstarter?06:40
igheaperhaps this n810 is already lost cause and should be finaly buried 8 feet deep06:42
Sage_Stskeeps: it is quite nice, why?06:42
StskeepsSage_: should we use it for Mer?06:42
Sage_Stskeeps: I've been using it for a while in CE already.06:42
Sage_Stskeeps: I would say yes.06:42
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Sage_ <- You might want to include these as well if you use it.06:43
StskeepsSage_: so it's quite easy to extend/use for 'vendor' as well?06:44
Stskeepsie, to follow upstream changes06:44
Sage_Stskeeps: In my opinion it helps yes. There are couple of things that would need improvements but in general it works quite nicely.06:45
Stskeepsi'm sold then, no need to do NIH06:45
Sage_I used that to follow upstream of n900 with n950 git06:46
Sage_and it went ok06:46
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Stskeepsmorn ssirkia06:52
Stskeepslbt: when you're awake, i need releases IN CNAME
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ssirkiamorning :)06:53
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* Stskeeps tries to understand kickstarter07:05
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StskeepsSage_: btw, any idea why kernel-adaptation-n900 is missing from CE:*:n900?07:12
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Stskeepsthanks, i'll set it up as a vhost07:31
lbtwhat does kickstarter do?07:33
lbtis it the automated install support tool?07:33
Stskeepslbt: generates kickstart files, basically07:35
Stskeepslbt: while you're at it: tooo07:35
lbtdone review07:37
lbtso not replacing mic with kiwi... yet :)07:37
lbtStskeeps, Sage_: I pushed most of the N900 stuff - many rejections07:38
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lbtmainly spec hacks07:39
PaimenStskeeps: my plexiglass thing was just idea, still need to check things out as I like to have it so thin that you can roll it on and off the wall07:41
Paimensomething like but need to check materials that you can roll07:41
* Stskeeps bookmarks07:42
* lbt -> coffee07:42
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X-FadeStskeeps, Sage_ Did you guys see any qemu issues after we upgraded to 0.15.1 yesterday evening?08:02
Sage_X-Fade: no08:03
Sage_but didn't use it much yet08:03
X-FadeSage_: Ok, well I still see segfaults for harmattan in the install phase.08:04
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Sage_X-Fade: ok, wrong info. Still similar problems than before08:08
Sage_ <-08:08
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X-FadeSage_: Ok, so we need to come up with a sane qemu then :)08:08
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Sage_probably 0.14.2?08:09
X-FadeLet me see what opensuse offers now.08:09
X-FadeSage_: I only see  qemu-0.14.1 in Tools:Unstable08:14
lbtdid ScriptRipper have a new qemu ?08:14
X-FadeAnd 0.14 in stable repo.08:14
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Sage_X-Fade: ah, sry I meant 0.14.108:15
Sage_X-Fade: anyway need to get some other qemu to the OBS to get the CE build properly08:16
X-FadeSage_: You and me both :) I have reasons too.08:17
X-FadeSo I guess I better get to it then :)08:17
StskeepsX-Fade: btw, is harmattan gcc a cross compiler?08:17
Stskeepsharmattan-obs, that is08:17
X-FadeStskeeps: No, did not have time to get that working.08:18
lbtunblocked all workers BTW - lets see if they crash again or if it's intermittent08:18
lbtStskeeps, Sage_ can you work on the issues boss found? I'll do the promotions for the other adaptation areas08:19
Sage_X-Fade: ping me when you have the qemu done08:19
X-FadeSage_: Sure08:19
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Sage_lbt: yes08:19
Sage_Stskeeps: N900 packages failed mainly because of the old spectacle it seems.08:20
Sage_so execute spectacle fix problems and submit08:20
lbtdoes ml work for anyone?08:20
Sage_what ML ?08:20
Stskeepslbt: mer-general worked for me08:21
ScriptRipperlbt, wrt to qemu, I can provide a qemu as part of the meego accelerators08:21
lbtsmoku setup some lists08:21
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StskeepsSage_: got a list of the failed ones?08:21
lbtScriptRipper: cool - X-Fade is looking at it08:21
Sage_Stskeeps: ti-omap3-sgx, wl1251-cal-bin, i2c-tools, nokia-usb-networking08:22
ScriptRipperhow do I submit it ?08:22
X-FadeScriptRipper: SR to Mer:Tools?08:22
StskeepsSage_: o08:22
lbtso mail to   ?08:22
Sage_Stskeeps: also verify that u-boot is there as it complained missing changelog entry.08:22
Stskeepslbt: right\08:22
Sage_lbt: any other CE: prj's ready for pkg submits?08:24
lbtSage_: yeah let me do them so I can monitor BOSS08:24
lbtbut all are ready08:24
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Sage_lbt: btw, is boss able to handle devel change requests?08:25
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Sage_lbt: osc help changedevelrequest08:26
Sage_lbt: means that you say that package X in project X is developed in project X and when user does branch it moves the branch to the devel project.08:26
Sage_ok, nice.08:26
lbtso in general it can hook into any OBS (or other) event08:27
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Stskeepssmoku: got an url for mail-archive for mer-general?08:27
Sage_lbt: all CE:UX:MTF packages will have develprj in Project:MTF08:28
lbtSage_: lets get current process deployed and then discuss08:28
Sage_lbt: ok08:28
lbtyou know how I get sidetracked ;)08:28
StskeepsSage_: ti-omap3-sgx fixed08:29
smokuStskeeps: there isn't one yet. it gets created once first mail is sent to the list08:29
Stskeepssmoku: o08:29
smokuoh. there was...08:29
Stskeepsarh damnit08:30
Stskeepsi just sent "First post"08:30
smokubut empty. it could be skipped08:30
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smokuhere it is08:30
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* Stskeeps waits for it to show up in archive08:35
Stskeepsdid anyone else receive my mail?08:36
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StskeepsSage_: wl1251-cal-bin updated08:38
lbtno email - hadn't approved my sub at that point08:41
StskeepsSage_: i2c-tools claims to have been updated by you08:44
lbtlooks like the builds have stopped in the same place08:45
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StskeepsSage_: nokia-n900-usb-networking sorted out08:53
Stskeepssmoku: ok, archive works08:57
faenilStskeeps: OT question...have you ever been to qt dev days in munich?08:58
Stskeepsfaenil: no08:58
faenilanyone has? peopleee :D08:58
Stskeepsfaenil: i'm going to prague for linuxcon next week though08:58
faenilStskeeps: great :) have fun there ;)08:59
Stskeepsfairly sure i'll end up like
faenilahahahah XD09:00
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StskeepsSage_: adding some functionality to kickstart.. such as "Inherit"09:19
lbtsmoku: you said the subscribe mail had details of other lists - I don't see them09:20
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Stskeepsmorn slaine09:36
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slainemorning all09:36
slainemorning Stskeeps09:36
slainedisappointed to see my VM was killed by the OOM09:37
slainenot sure why09:38
Sage_Stskeeps: yes, that is one of the missing things from kickstarter09:38
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smokulbt: no. I said that welcome mail has other ml (not mlS) addresses. like mer-general+help or mer-general+unsubscribe. ie. I meant the help for the ML subscribed.09:39
lbtah - majordomo ?09:40
smokuBTW, the list of special addresses is also in every posting headers09:40
smokuit's mlmmj09:40
lbtjust nosey :)09:41
smokubut generally it's ml-name+subscribe09:41
smoku+unsubscribe +help etc.09:42
lbtso are : and  active?09:42
lbtwaiting for a response ... :)09:42
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smokuthe server is using graylisting, so first message may take a while to arrive (depending on your server retry time)09:43
smokuor if your sending machine has proper SPF record it should skip graylist09:44
lbtshould have - but I subscribed to mer-general last night09:48
smokuso it should be quick now09:49
lbtmm... no reply yet09:49
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Sage_Stskeeps: package groups are in Mer repo already right?09:51
smokujust tried both and received confirmation requests09:51
lbtsmoku: hold on for a sec09:51
lbtI may have an email blockage09:51
lbtI did a test from meego.com09:51
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Sage_lbt: can I forward some packages to the projects? I would like to build image today (well during next 3 hours)10:11
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Stskeepsmorn Ronksu10:13
RonksuPoland is not that far timezone wise :)10:14
Stskeepshehe ;)10:14
Stskeepsfeels like morning still for me10:14
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iekkuStskeeps, more coffee?10:16
Sage_lbt: home:sage:Mer:adaptation:x86 -> CE:Adaptation:x86-generic should be ok for SR's10:20
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* Stskeeps pokes kickstarter with a stick10:26
Stskeepswhy you won't update my template10:26
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Sage_Stskeeps: <- you should take contextkit-maemo-battery-rx51-bin  bme-rx-51-bin gst-nokia-camera to your n900 repo btw.10:28
Sage_Stskeeps: I'll move dsme, mce, usb-moded under Project:UX:MTF / Project:MTF10:28
StskeepsSage_: i think bme-rx-51-bin is from your repo10:29
Stskeepsi might be wrong though10:29
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Sage_that "Apps" needs a bit refactoring so we get the stuff separated10:35
X-FadeSage_: We now have 0.14 again, working on 0.14.1 still.10:36
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Sage_lets see how it goes now10:38
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harbaumbeagle now also has working audio10:42
Sage_harbaum: do you know where omap4 kernel upstream is?10:44
Stskeepsharbaum: cool10:45
Sage_Stskeeps: btw, I think you should change meego-release package to mer-release and add Provides: meego-release and add proper version number there.10:45
Stskeepsi've been pondering how to do that correctly10:46
Sage_I would say like ^ :)10:46
Stskeepsyes, but i mean, the building of mer-release ;)10:46
lbtSage_: waiting to sort out the commit lists10:46
StskeepsSage_: i'm kind of waiting with some of the more invasive changes like meego -> mer stuff until CE is up and running10:47
Stskeepsand ideally with testing working too :P10:48
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Sage_I'm building a test image from some partial repos for myself atm.10:48
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Sage_Just need to verify that things actually work10:48
StskeepsSage_: i'm pondering if we somehow can find a way to indicate in packages that "this package was built against Mer XXXXX"10:49
Sage_Stskeeps: adding that to vendor string?10:50
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Sage_or adding to description during build?10:53
Sage_Currenlyt Vendor      : meego10:53
Sage_so why not "Vendor: Mer 0.20111021.1" ?10:54
Sage_might break something but not sure :)10:54
Sage_or like fedora10:54
Sage_Release     : 4.fc1510:54
Sage_^ With mer it can be quite long though. 4.Mer_0.20111021.110:55
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Sage_ok, at least ia32 boots to MTF ux10:59
vgradearm packages which were failing for me now OK11:00
smokubtw, did I show ?11:01
Stskeepsyeah, looks cool11:02
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harbaumStskeeps: Is there a recent .ks file to base a beagle .ks on? My current one is this and it doesn't work:
Stskeepsharbaum: what error are you getting?11:53
harbaumAtm just a black screen11:53
harbaumWill paste a log asap11:54
Stskeepsi guess serial log might be more useful11:54
harbaum?? More useful than what?11:55
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Stskeepsas in, seeing what comes out of console :)11:56
Stskeeps /var/log/uxlaunch.log and /home/mer/.xsession-errors11:56
harbaumThat's what i was going to do. What do you think was i going to do?11:56
harbaumAh, ok11:56
harbaumThis happens during installation. smoku is this a problem?
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harbaumCordia log:
harbaumAll i see is the black x and the mouse cursor12:09
Stskeepsharbaum: is dbus-x11 installed?12:10
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harbaumat leats no package with that name is in the .ks12:11
Stskeepswell, try adding it12:11
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Sage_harbaum: any knowledge where omap4 (or pandaboard) kernel upstream is located?12:21
StskeepsSage_: so you're trying to do n900 image?12:23
Sage_Stskeeps: yes, quite soon.12:24
Sage_Just to boot the MTF UX up and see if it actually boots12:24
Stskeepslooking forward to it12:24
Sage_lots of things missing, pretty much just the MTF UX12:24
Stskeepsthat's fine for now12:24
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harbaumSage_: Never looked at the panda stuff12:30
Sage_harbaum: ok, just wondered if you knew.12:31
harbaumhmm, installing dbus-x11 doesn't change anythinfg12:32
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Sage_connectivity problems can't get packages for images :/12:39
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Sage_No more mirrors to try.12:39
Stskeepsfrom what?12:40
Stskeepsmy repos or cobs12:40
Sage_[Errno 14] PYCURL ERROR 7 - "":
Sage_mirrors was for cobs12:40
Stskeepsworks for me12:40
Sage_maybe our corporate network then12:41
Sage_ok, now it seems to work12:41
slaineSage_: you might need to blow out the dust from the prongs12:42
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Sage_/var/tmp/rpm-tmp.trA6dt: line 1: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg: No such file or directory12:45
Sage_warning: %posttrans(kernel-adaptation-n900-2.6.37-8.1.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 12712:45
slaineHmmm, qt sure does take a long time to build12:45
StskeepsSage_: mkinitrd/grubby..12:46
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Sage_Stskeeps: yes, but could we get rid of that /sbin/new-kernel-pkg as well?12:46
Stskeepsnot 100% sure, but i would think so12:47
Sage_I'm not entirely sure what it is used for12:47
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Venemo_N900good afternoon guys :)12:47
Sage_new-kernel-pkg is a tool used in packaging to automate the installation of a new kernel, including the creation of an initial ram filesystem image, updating of bootloader configuration, and other associated tasks.12:47
slaineWas just about to say that12:48
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Venemo_N900what's up with Mer and the CE nowadays?12:50
faenilVenemo_N900: +1 :)12:53
smokuharbaum: I don't see such messages. I don't know whether they are critical, but it doesn't look like12:53
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harbaumI wonder if arm is a target for cordia or if i should just focus on a different ux12:57
StskeepsVenemo_N900: N900 image in progress of being built, pre-alpha12:58
Venemo_N900Stskeeps, that's nice :)12:59
faenilindeed :)12:59
Venemo_N900Stskeeps, are you still targeting N8x0 devices?13:00
StskeepsVenemo_N900: ARMv6 devices at least13:00
Venemo_N900Stskeeps, yeah I heard about the Pi :)13:01
Venemo_N900Stskeeps, congrats for pulling this off :)13:04
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Stskeepswe're not quite there yet, still a good way to go before we're really up to speed13:13
Jucatoit's a start. and a good one :)13:16
* Jucato hopes to have some more time next week/month to really get down and dirty ... probably now prepared to sacrifice to the gods his n90013:16
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Jucatounfortunately, I think my N810 beat it to gadget heaven (or hell) ...13:17
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Venemo_N900Stskeeps, what's missing?13:17
StskeepsVenemo_N900: infrastructure, QA, etc13:17
Stskeepsie, we have momentum but we need stuff to make it sustainable13:17
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Sage_ok, seems to work to some extend now13:25
vgradeX-Fade, is this qemu issue,
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Sage_ <- .ks file to test if someone is interested.13:27
* Stskeeps grabs13:27
faenilif only I had n900 xD13:28
Sage_faenil: <- .ks file for any pinetrail/oaktrail intel netbook/tablet :)13:28
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faenilgot n950 and notebook :)13:28
StskeepsSage_: did it work on exo too?13:28
X-Fadevgrade: Yes, although it is something else. Doesn't look like our typical qemu issues.13:28
Sage_Stskeeps: it should yes13:29
Sage_so next thing is to get the rest of the repos to some order so we get everything to that image.13:31
Sage_or close to everything :)13:31
* faenil is reading n900 kickstart file13:31
Stskeepslet's look into proper configurations.yaml for Mer in general on monday13:31
vgradeX-Fade, I had a bunch of packages failed from last night but they built ok earlier today, just have two outstanding with the error above13:32
Sage_Stskeeps: <- mine atm.13:32
slaineStskeeps: right, setup of Mer:fakeobs, a local OBS and a build of i586 packages works as per my document13:32
Stskeepsso we can better inherit from it13:34
StskeepsSage_: good work13:34
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Stskeepsslaine: alright13:35
StskeepsSage_: OK13:35
Stskeepsslaine: if you can put it on wiki somewhere that'd be a good start13:36
Sage_X-Fade: with the current qemu the package builds needs to be ok13:37
Sage_X-Fade: *seems to be ok13:37
X-FadeSage_: For me too.13:37
vgradejust me then :(13:38
X-Fadevgrade: Does it happen every time?13:40
vgradelet me start them off again13:44
X-Fadevgrade: Just want to rule out that it is a specific worker. Maybe it is running out of memory or so.13:44
faenilthis could be a stupid question, but...why do you make n900 images before n950 and not the opposite (since n950 is newer) ?13:49
Stskeepsfaenil: amount of n900's are bigger and hence the contributors13:49
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faenilStskeeps: ok ;)13:50
Stskeepsfaenil: also, we know the n900's moods quite well..13:50
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StskeepsSage_: i have qemu 0.15 ;)13:51
Sage_Stskeeps: normal ;)13:53
Sage_I have same things showing on my screen, just didn't want to touch as it doesn't matter much atm.13:53
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Sage_Stskeeps: can you spot something that is is not nokia developed closely to harmattan related package from ?13:54
Sage_except our themes or configs13:54
StskeepsSage_: i think tumbler is not13:55
Sage_ <- ?13:55
Stskeepsthought it existed outside tbh13:55
Stskeepsbut ok13:55
* Stskeeps tries to find sd card13:56
Sage_ <-13:56
Stskeepstumbler is in XFCE too13:56
Stskeepsremember that long meego-packaging discusion13:56
Sage_exempi is one there you are right.13:56
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eg81what's the latest image for N950 ? Release date 28.9.2011 ?13:56
vgradeX-Fade, both packages built ok this time, i'm wondering if they did not get a rebuild since the qemu downgrade. sorry for the noise13:57
Stskeepseg81: the one on
X-Fadevgrade: No problem, glad it worked now :)13:57
Stskeepseg81: hopefully we'll start rolling Mer images soon too13:57
eg81Stskeeps: ok13:57
araujoStskeeps, what about Nemo images?13:58
Sage_Stskeeps: ok, couple of packages where I see "problems" e.g., libi2c required by n900 adaptation and mce (in Project:MTF)13:59
Stskeepsaraujo: look above13:59
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Sage_where that package should actually be?13:59
Stskeepsi2c-tools, hw adaptation13:59
Stskeepsmce.. ergh13:59
* araujo sees the .ks files14:00
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StskeepsSage_: i see UI14:10
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* Stskeeps videos14:16
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Stskeeps , Sage_, w00t, others14:25
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Stskeepsexcuse my fingers fumbling around a bit, long day :)14:25
vgradeStskeeps, nice, whats it plugged into?14:27
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Stskeepsvgrade: magic14:28
araujoStskeeps, image link?14:28
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vgradeStskeeps, is that a jig14:29
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Stskeepsvgrade: yeah, seen other places too14:31
vgradeX-Fade, worker 07 stalled14:31
* araujo polishing a bit the VKB and wants to test out in Nemo14:32
Stskeepsaraujo: able to build own images?14:33
araujoStskeeps, got the ks file, but later ....14:33
araujowas wondering if you had this image somewhere already14:33
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Stskeepsi guess i could upload it14:33
araujosure, and send me in priv the link ... so none else can get it yet ... this is only for devs atm14:34
* araujo chuckles 14:34
JucatoStskeeps: awesome!14:36
StskeepsSage_: memory is quite good, 106mb in use (minus buffers and cache)14:36
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rantomStskeeps: Great15:09
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Stskeeps'lo fw19016:50
fw190how thongs are going with MER16:50
Stskeepsquite good16:51
fw190any news on new release for N90016:51
Stskeeps - Nemo/CE UI on n900/mer16:51
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Stskeepsexcuse my fumbling fingers :)16:52
pdanek1anyone has similar thing for Nokia N9? :)16:54
fw190this is good16:54
fw190I think that I will buy a dumb phone for daily use and start to be a real beta tester16:55
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KaziKluBeyNemo looks good lads :) It´s not the u-boot way to install it yet i guess?17:18
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StskeepsKaziKluBey: this was just first bootup19:04
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KaziKluBey_N900Stskeeps: Ah,ok. Looking forward to test it later when the images are out there. Great job anyhow :)19:15
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faenilN950 images pleeease XD hahaah19:16
Stskeepsfaenil: that's next step, the packages just need fixes as it didn't pass review (ie, packaging guidelines)19:17
faeniloops :)19:17
Sage_Stskeeps: well, tracker is not there ;)19:18
Sage_Stskeeps: also at least mce and maliit is missing19:21
StskeepsSage_: true, though space for improvement19:23
Stskeepsbbl sleep19:23
Sage_Also I think timed was in that image so that is space for improvement as well.19:24
Sage_lbt: can I just submit packages from the N950 project to CE:Adaptation:N950-N9 or do you want to do those?19:25
pdanek1anyone from Finland in here?19:26
Sage_lbt, Stskeeps: I don't have access to home:stskeeps:mer:hw:n950 project19:27
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jpwhitinghmm, is it a known issue that maemo pr 1.3 reboots into meego when charging on low battery?20:07
jpwhitingon n90020:07
w00tuboot defaults to booting into mmc unless you take the mmc out or tell it to boot otherwise, so...20:10
w00tif you reboot, and you have the mmc in, and do nothing, then yeah, you'll not get maemo20:10
ShadowJK(and backlight off when low, so if you're not paying attention you probably missed the countdown)20:11
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jpwhitingw00t: but why does maemo on low battery restart when plugged in?20:21
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w00tI have no idea, I don't use maemo20:22
jpwhitingyou have meego installed on the flash?20:23
w00tno, I just never boot to it :)20:23
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jpwhitingok, gotcha20:23
jpwhitingdoes meego n900 charge with power plug and usb plug? or only one or the other still?20:24
w00tworks with either20:26
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pdanek11 quick question to N9/N950 users please21:02
pdanek1when I purchase, as I'm going to do soon, I will be testing the MeeGo CE on it, however, will I have at least usable OS on it for everyday use? phone calls, web browsing, music, camera,...?21:02
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pdanek1I found this, but it's for N900, not N9:21:04
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faenilpdanek1: there is a page for N950 too21:05
faenilbut CE Fall is the latest release, and it's based on MeeGo, not Mer21:05
faenilso, long story short, wait some days for the N950 Mer images to appear21:05
faenilthey were testing N900 hw adaptations today21:06
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faenilso n950's adaptation should be ready soon21:06
faenilI have tried N950 CE21:06
faeniland it's not ready for everyday use ;)21:06
faenilnow, good night :)21:06
pdanek1I know there is page for N950 too, but no comparison table of working parts21:06
pdanek1I see21:07
pdanek1so you say, that Mer has currently more rapid development and worth to go with Mer way on N9?21:07
faenilnight :)21:07
faenilnope, I'm saying that CE Fall for N95021:07
faenilis not ready for everyday use21:07
pdanek1ok :)21:07
faeniland it won't be developed further21:07
pdanek1ah now it's clear, so 1.3 CE is last one21:08
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faenilbecause that project is now Nemo, i.e. Mer Community Edition (something like that, actually Mer is only the core)21:08
pdanek1from now only Tizen / Mer21:08
faenilyes, that's what I got ;) and what people are working on ;)21:08
faenilI'm waiting impatiently, so I understand you :)21:09
faenilGood night ;)21:09
pdanek1good night21:09
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niqtwhere is this image
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m4r0v3rhey was wondering if anyones got the latest mer running on the N900?22:50
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