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| jacobi | hi, all, I've just known this project from meego-dev list, I want to know the framework of mer , especially stuff related to the kernel level | 02:05 |
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| cxl000 | jacobi the kernel is part of hardware adaptation. Packaging would occur in community or vendor projects using Mer | 02:38 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:00 |
| Stskeeps | morn iekku | 05:01 |
| Jucato | coffee Stskeeps :) | 05:03 |
| Jucato | that will be my standard "good morning" for you :P | 05:03 |
| Stskeeps | morn | 05:03 |
| Jucato | hm .. I think I'll have coffee too. in the middle of a (very) warm(after)noon :) | 05:05 |
| Stskeeps | where are you located again? | 05:05 |
| Jucato | philippines | 05:07 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 05:08 |
| iekku | mmm, coffee | 05:10 |
| dm8tbr | mrng | 05:14 |
| dm8tbr | caffeine++ | 05:14 |
| Bostik | morning | 05:15 |
| Bostik | black tea, fresh sanguini juice, bacon, egg, bread, cheese, ... | 05:15 |
| jrayhawk | Stskeeps: see question from 10 hours ago | 05:18 |
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| Stskeeps | jrayhawk: i'd say possibly, is it okay i return after we've done some more tests on distributing build load and automating it? | 05:21 |
| jrayhawk | Sure, whatever. I'm in no hurry. | 05:21 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:22 |
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| Sage | morning | 05:32 |
| Stskeeps | morn sage | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i'll probably drop linux-firmware and newt requirement of kernel-adaptation-n900 | 05:35 |
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| Sage | sounds ok. I presonally don't want linux-firmware to the mer core as it really should be adaptation thing | 05:37 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 05:37 |
| Sage | I've seen the pain with that package in MeeGo :) | 05:37 |
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| Sage | i2ctools, what requires that? | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | bme | 05:43 |
| Sage | hmmp... something else as well as I have it in :MW:Shared | 05:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 05:44 |
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| Sage | anyone with n900 imaeg running and could write rpm -e i2ctools | 05:45 |
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| vgrade | morning | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | morn vgrade | 06:00 |
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| Mordae | Morning. | 06:20 |
| Stskeeps | 2morn | 06:21 |
| eg81 | morgen :) | 06:21 |
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| kyb3R | Stskeeps has been active in merging packages to Mer :) | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, mostly my own stuff though :P | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.J3O1UL: line 1: /sbin/new-kernel-pkg: No such file or directory | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | warning: %post(kernel-adaptation-n900-2.6.37-7.1.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 127 | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | what happens if you remove grubby as dep :) | 08:38 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: we also need dsme somewhere | 08:52 |
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| harbaum | Don't we have /sbin(chkconfig and /sbin/service anymore? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | no, we use systemd - sec | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=nokia-n900-configs&project=devel%3Adevices%3An900 -- .service and .spec is a pretty good example | 09:09 |
| * lbt still on phone ...got up 2 mgmt levels so far... | 09:14 | |
| harbaum | osc gives me "Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized" has anything changed in the last few months? | 09:15 |
| lbt | no ...what value for -A ? | 09:15 |
| harbaum | nothing? | 09:15 |
| lbt | or your default OBS is changed? | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: try osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com | 09:16 |
| harbaum | osc -A https://api.pub.meego.com ls | 09:16 |
| harbaum | Server returned an error: HTTP Error 401: Unauthorized | 09:16 |
| harbaum | seems my credentials don't work anymore | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | remove from .oscrc and try again? | 09:17 |
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| lbt | harbaum not found in LDAP. | 09:21 |
| lbt | harbaum: have you ever used the community OBS ? | 09:21 |
| lbt | mmm yes | 09:22 |
| dm8tbr | fallout from those LDAP events a while ago? | 09:22 |
| harbaum | i can use the web interface | 09:22 |
| lbt | logged in? | 09:22 |
| harbaum | i am logged in, yes | 09:22 |
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| lbt | did you get your pw wrong or should I keep digging to see if there was a system problem ? | 09:25 |
| harbaum | i still don't have an idea how to deal with osc | 09:26 |
| lbt | there's a ~/.oscrc file | 09:26 |
| lbt | in there is a set of values for different OBS's | 09:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes, well known. dsme well I would say that adaptation is the place for that? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 09:27 |
| lbt | eg a section on [https://api.pub.m.c] | 09:27 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: libdsme is in UX:MTF because qmsystem requires it | 09:27 |
| lbt | in there is a username/pw | 09:27 |
| lbt | check they are correct | 09:27 |
| harbaum | one sec ... i may have tried the wrong pw | 09:27 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: but anyway something that I really don't want to push any lower in the repo arch as it is really MTF/N900 adaptation required package and nothing else | 09:28 |
| lbt | harbaum: may I msg you | 09:28 |
| harbaum | sure | 09:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: agreed | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: basically just raze the section from your .oscrc | 09:30 |
| lbt | *nod* ... that's easiest | 09:30 |
| harbaum | i erased it, i prompts for the user/pw and then "401: basic auth failed" | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | are you able to use same on build.pub.meego.com ? | 09:31 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 09:32 |
| harbaum | Oh, it's working now. I was confusing api.maemo with build.meego ... | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:32 |
| harbaum | sorry | 09:32 |
| lbt | hehe | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | no problem, i do the same thing once in a while | 09:33 |
| * lbt forgives you too :) | 09:33 | |
| lbt | especially if you help out on the msg I just sent :D | 09:33 |
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| slaine | morn Stskeeps | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: let me know when you want another round of fighting with building against Mer -- should be majorly easier now | 10:07 |
| slaine | I never got the chance to look at it on Friday | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:08 |
| slaine | I think it's my lack of knowledge of OBS that's the key problem | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | nah, you're the prime kind of customer :) | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | noone can claim to really know obs deep down, the instructions were truly a bit difficult | 10:09 |
| slaine | am in a meeting atm, mondays and tuesdays are all about the meetings | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 10:09 |
| slaine | I'll take a look when this one finishes | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | just let me know when you have time sometime and i'll guide you | 10:09 |
| slaine | should be a short one this week as a few people are off after we made our release last week | 10:09 |
| slaine | thanks Stskeeps | 10:09 |
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| Sage | 13 | 10:16 |
| Sage | :P | 10:16 |
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| kyb3R | dm8tbr lol ' If the SteeringGroup decides to ignore all this and call it "PinkPonies", yes they can!' | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | no no, it's cyan | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:17 |
| kyb3R | :) | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | er, or was that magenta | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | both! | 10:17 |
| dm8tbr | cyan-magenta-striped-pwnies! | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: gcc4.6 includes quite a few of the fixes that were linaro in 4.5, but yes | 10:18 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I've been building linaro gcc for android this weekend. was a bit fidly to get it to build (gmp,mfpr,cloog,ppl libs needed) | 10:20 |
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| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: yeah, we can practically just dump in the tarball and recompile if need be | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: my plan is to get testing up and running and then we can upgrade some components | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | but UX'es and hw adaptations first | 10:22 |
| mingwandroid | We'll be testing linaro gcc for android on necessitas qt, so I'll let you know if it works ok in that domain. | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | we used linaro in 1.2, was quite god | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | od | 10:23 |
| mingwandroid | http://mingw-and-ndk.googlecode.com/files/android-ndk-r6b-gdb-7.3.50.20110709-linux-x86.7z | 10:23 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: hey | 10:26 |
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| vgrade | mingwandroid, hi | 10:49 |
| mingwandroid | hey. good work on the arm packages! | 10:50 |
| mingwandroid | I'll fire up fedora in a bit and try to build a new image. Not got my vega with me at work today though so I'll not be able to test until tonight. | 10:50 |
| vgrade | I've done an image build but hd to leave for day job | 10:51 |
| vgrade | I expect we will still have the dbus issues as we do on x86 | 10:52 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: yeah, well, I can help investigate once I get on the same page | 10:55 |
| lbt | alterego: ping | 11:01 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: what .ks should I be look at for reference? | 11:03 |
| alterego | lbt: aloha | 11:05 |
| lbt | hey ... bugzilla :) | 11:05 |
| lbt | when's good | 11:06 |
| alterego | Yes, probably in an hour or so? | 11:06 |
| lbt | ok | 11:06 |
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| alterego | lbt: That good for you? | 11:07 |
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| lbt | yep | 11:07 |
| alterego | Cool, I'll ping you in an hour then ;) | 11:07 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: Ok | 11:07 |
| slaine | Where's that README url again ? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: http://monster.tspre.org/~merreleases/README.txt is the new one | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: get to step 5 and start fakeobs and we can take it from there | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | the python ones are in order and is just setup.py install stuff | 11:09 |
| slaine | k | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | http://monster.tspre.org:8080 has a couple of new package imports, could someone help review them? | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: isn't zypper supposed to be able to update when patterns update? | 11:18 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: hey. | 11:19 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: ok, doing the make part, probably gonna take a while there | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah | 11:19 |
| slaine | assuming that does the rsync | 11:19 |
| slaine | 6, 7 and 8 are the steps I'm imagining will cause me the most problems | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | might or might not :) | 11:20 |
| slaine | well, I don't know OBS, so tasks like "add a remote link for your fakeobs's server, port 8001, /public, http, not-https" seems fine if you know OBS, will take some digging when you don't | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | in practice i think you can click the "setup obs" link on front page | 11:23 |
| slaine | though I did this already the other week so should just be a case of refreshing my existing fakeobs setup | 11:24 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: is there a reference ks I can look at anywhere? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | armv7l, armv7hl? | 11:30 |
| mingwandroid | 7hl | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2710784 - remove line 28, replace 78 with xorg-x11-drv-fbdev , remove lines 79 to 88 | 11:33 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: using trimslice nvidia x11 stuff, so np. thanks. | 11:34 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well, I haven't tested but in theory yes. However we don't have version numbers in patterns so that might be an issue | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | because we should make sure you can do upgradeability | 11:55 |
| Sage | yes, I haven't done any research in that matter more than checked that there is possibility to add version numbers to patterns. | 11:57 |
| Sage | it might already work but haven't checked | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | we should look into that, very important for CE | 11:57 |
| Sage | yes | 11:58 |
| w00t | very important for ~everyone ;) | 11:58 |
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| alterego | lbt: ping | 12:05 |
| lbt | ok | 12:05 |
| alterego | Trying to remember how to log in | 12:09 |
| alterego | Ah, got it :) | 12:09 |
| alterego | Okay, so I'm in. | 12:10 |
| alterego | lbt: do I not have sudo? Or do I need to set a password for myself first? I guess ssh auth with passwords are barred so it's okay setting a password? | 12:11 |
| lbt | OK ... sec | 12:11 |
| lbt | http://wiki.meego.com/Web_infrastructure/Policy#SSH_Keys | 12:11 |
| alterego | Or am I not in the proper environment yet? | 12:11 |
| alterego | I just ssh'd into access | 12:11 |
| alterego | Oh yes, we discussed this didn't we | 12:12 |
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| harbaum | Stskeeps: omapfb seems to be running and pvr2d_test also. But i have not yet been able to run one of the 3d demos | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: libEGL.so.2 -> libEGL.so and that kind of stuff? | 12:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's the softfp images right | 12:51 |
| harbaum | it#s probably something liek that | 12:51 |
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| harbaum | Hmm .. .links look good. Perhaps it#s the fact that qmlviwer is runnign and not a real window manager | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 12:55 |
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| Stskeeps | sure that the libEGL.so is not mesa? | 12:57 |
| harbaum | Has the same size as the one in /usr/lib/ES3.0 | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | and libGLESv2 too i assume | 12:58 |
| harbaum | yes | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:58 |
| harbaum | and libGLES_CM also | 12:59 |
| harbaum | Oh, wait, restarted pvr init script anually and now 3d is working | 13:02 |
| harbaum | So my systemd stuff isn't 100% now ... but that should be easy to fix :-) | 13:03 |
| harbaum | anyway: we have 3d on mer on beagle :-) | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | \o/ | 13:03 |
| lbt | nice | 13:04 |
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| Stskeeps | harbaum: cool | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: congratulations :) | 13:10 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: having problems with that make | 13:18 |
| slaine | repo = git.Repo(x, odbt=git.GitDB) | 13:18 |
| slaine | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'GitDB' | 13:18 |
| slaine | I can see from help/modules that gitdb is installed | 13:19 |
| slaine | and git for that mater | 13:20 |
| slaine | matter | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: hmmm | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: python --version ? | 13:20 |
| slaine | it's 2.7, the one on Fedora 14 | 13:21 |
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| Stskeeps | hm, i run the same | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: and gitpython was 0.3.2-rc1 | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:25 |
| slaine | i'll double check | 13:25 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: what is the rationale behind i486 build? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: because there's plenty of interesting machines out there with non-atom | 13:26 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: ah, my bad. I pulled down the rpm version and that's only version 0.2 | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: ah | 13:26 |
| slaine | I'll erase the rpm and pull down 0.3.2-rc1 | 13:26 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: what i thaught. just wanted to confirm. | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: long story short: i have a non-ssse3 media center ;) | 13:27 |
| Stskeeps | that i'd like to use mer on | 13:27 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, another tegra2 target booting to QMLViewer, Asus Transformer. lilstevie just PM'd. He has uboot on that as well which may be applicable to the Vega | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | excellent | 13:32 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: sudo pip-python install GitPython | 13:32 |
| slaine | that does the trick | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:32 |
| matrixx | smoku: I also have an old non-ssse3 laptop I would like to use for something nice :) | 13:33 |
| slaine | vgrade: nice | 13:33 |
| slaine | I've a ton of Celeron-M gear that I've to support | 13:33 |
| slaine | would be nice to get Mer based os on those | 13:34 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: it looks like that pip-python will also pull down dependencies | 13:35 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: ooh, cool. | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: cool | 13:37 |
| slaine | For Fedora, the steps could be | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid/vgrade: is there any good ways to let's say, automatically power on those? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | and install them | 13:37 |
| slaine | 1) sudo yum group install "Development Tools" "Development Libraries" | 13:37 |
| slaine | 2) sudo yum install "pip-python" | 13:37 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/tegra2/ for the ks running on the vega and now transformer | 13:38 |
| slaine | 3) sudo pip-python install GitPython | 13:38 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, for automatic testing? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: yeah | 13:39 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: have you got your ks for PA? That's all I need to add to mine.. | 13:39 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, not got access until I get home, but check out the x86 plasma ones | 13:40 |
| mingwandroid | I'm crap... linky? | 13:41 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: what kernel did lilstevie use? | 13:41 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, 2.6.38 cros based | 13:41 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: not mine then? | 13:42 |
| vgrade | mingwandroid, I guess they are all very similar. We have a TODO to get vega/trimslice booting from same one I guess we should add transformer | 13:43 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, not sure, I'll have a think. hw not my strongest suit and I'll think it will involve spanners | 13:44 |
| mingwandroid | vgrade: I think booting from kernels built from the same tree is possible, but I'm fairly certain that booting the same zImage isn't worth persuing. | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: yeah, just curious | 13:44 |
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| vgrade | I'm not suggecting the same zImage but if we had the same tree that would be a start | 13:45 |
| vgrade | gtg, | 13:45 |
| smoku | matrixx: someone wants to run cordia on amd turion netbook. looks like I need to do 486 build too | 13:45 |
| smoku | is there a 486 kernel adaptation available? | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | possibly kernel-adaptation-pc is usable | 13:46 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: so how bad is it getting up to qt mobility level? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | and qtwebkit | 13:46 |
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| Sage | I have that already so shouldn't be a real problem | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | OK | 13:49 |
| Sage | only thing that is currently stuck is the boss processes :) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | i meant like, how many extra packages | 13:49 |
| Sage | ah | 13:49 |
| Sage | let me check | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | because i think qt + qt mobility + qt webkit is sane in core | 13:49 |
| Sage | well, I would say that qt and xorg shouldn't be in core :) | 13:50 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: I don't see an i486 architecture to pick on http://monster.tspre.org:2080/project/add_repository?project=home%3Asmoku%3Ahw%3Ai586 | 13:50 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: does it involve some XML editing? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: 'i586' is just a scheduler name | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | bloody confusing, i agree | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | so it's i486 repository, with i586 scheduler | 13:51 |
| smoku | so I should pick i586? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | right | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | and project Core:i5486 | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | er, i486 | 13:52 |
| smoku | ok. thanks | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: well, we do that it's linux/qt core, so, that's my own reasoning :P | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: still, <= 400 | 13:52 |
| matrixx | smoku: great, the more users the effort have, the more spent time doing it | 13:52 |
| smoku | oh. so it's not an architecture to build for, but architecture to build _on_ | 13:52 |
| matrixx | *the more well spent time I mean | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: -ish, yes | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: it means along lines of "this scheduler can do at most i586" | 13:54 |
| smoku | got it | 13:54 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: qt-mobility brings pulse (and that then couple of other deps), gst bad, sensord, gconf | 13:54 |
| Sage | and qtwebkit requires qt-mobiliyt | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 13:55 |
| Sage | but I would say around 10 packages | 13:55 |
| Sage | All of those are in MW:Shared atm. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:55 |
| Sage | which is total of 32 packages atm. | 13:56 |
| ShadowJK | is that like arch=486 tune for i586? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: no, mcpu=i486 or something directly | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: i586 == atom in meego for stupid reasons | 13:56 |
| ShadowJK | oh wait you're talking about obs scheduling | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: also I dropped couple of deps from all of those and they could be dropped even more. Many of those are such however that many might use. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 13:58 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: however, many of those are quite close to the Core functionality. | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's still stuff to investigate in core itself | 13:58 |
| Sage | yes, well Xorg vs wayland is something thus I would like to see xorg as a separate project, however so many things require Xorg so it might be hard. | 13:59 |
| ShadowJK | as long as gcc isn't getting mtune=i586, because that'd be supersilly even on atom ;) | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: in a seperate project with xorg server outside, possibly.. but not sure | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i don't want to make it too difficult to do a bringup, it's enough we kicked out hw adaptations | 14:01 |
| Sage | true | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | so that's the balance | 14:01 |
| Sage | but I'm not sure if it would make it so much difficult if we get the process documented. | 14:01 |
| Sage | but I agree on your reasoning in that. | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:01 |
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| harbaum | speaking of xorg: any plans to include xorg-x11-utils-xinput, xorg-x11-utils-xev etc? | 14:30 |
| harbaum | i need that for my touchscreen | 14:30 |
| harbaum | and yes, i think a sepererate xorg repository would make sense | 14:30 |
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| harbaum | Ok, mer now directly boots into a working sgx accelerated setup ... what's the state of cordia :-) | 14:34 |
| harbaum | btw: the qmlviwer doesn't look accelerated. how comes? | 14:35 |
| w00t | harbaum: do you have a console? | 14:35 |
| dm8tbr | plasma-active is also an interesting target :) | 14:35 |
| w00t | I guess probably not, but xterm would be handy to get you to try a few things | 14:35 |
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| harbaum | i have a serial console, yes | 14:37 |
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| w00t | harbaum: what's your hardware? | 14:38 |
| w00t | ah, you use SGX | 14:38 |
| w00t | ok | 14:38 |
| w00t | harbaum: can you try kill off qmlviewer and start it with qmlviewer -graphicssystem meego -opengl | 14:38 |
| w00t | (the graphicssystem bit may need tweaking, but let me know what happens) | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | qmlviewer gets automatically started | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | better to start a second one | 14:39 |
| w00t | well, whatever | 14:39 |
| w00t | :-) | 14:39 |
| harbaum | what script does the starting? | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/share/xsessions/x-meego-qmlviewer.desktop | 14:40 |
| harbaum | Oh ... i see acceleration :-) | 14:40 |
| w00t | harbaum: worked? | 14:40 |
| * w00t should really do a bit of a writeup about this stuff | 14:40 | |
| harbaum | yes, i now have two qmlviwers on the same screen | 14:40 |
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| harbaum | w00t: Hmm, animation is fast, but it sometimes "stutters" | 14:45 |
| w00t | what qml are you trying? | 14:46 |
| harbaum | the built-in qt logo animation | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | harbaum: sure you're using omapfb? | 14:46 |
| harbaum | yes, why? | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | just checking | 14:46 |
| harbaum | Also the drop down menus are not drawing poperly. it seems some draw events are missing/skipped | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | try without -graphicssystem meego | 14:49 |
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| harbaum | runs fluid now | 14:52 |
| harbaum | only redraw problems with the mouse | 14:52 |
| harbaum | wow, the intro looks so much nicer with acceleration | 14:53 |
| slaine | harbaum: what's the hardware ? | 14:54 |
| harbaum | beagleboard | 14:54 |
| slaine | nice | 14:54 |
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| Stskeeps | XM or non-XM? | 14:58 |
| harbaum | Hmm, after reboot i have the redraw problem again ... another reboot and it's gone .... | 15:00 |
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| Stskeeps | might be window manager issue | 15:00 |
| harbaum | restarting uxlaunch also makes the problem appear and disappear randomly | 15:00 |
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| harbaum | non-xm | 15:00 |
| harbaum | c4 | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:00 |
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| futbolsalas15 | hello, can someone help me to make a webconference about meego? I'm from Bogota, Colombia and at my university we will develop an Mobile OS Conference | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | hi, if you want to make about meego it's best to ask meego :) when is your conference? | 15:09 |
| npm | i think he meant mer | 15:10 |
| futbolsalas15 | npm: yes, is about mer, that is succesor of meego, right? | 15:10 |
| npm | ask Stskeeps :-) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | well, not directly a successor, but we do originate from there and share a lot of code | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:11 |
| npm | thank you Stskeeps for keeping flame alive | 15:11 |
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| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: ok, the conference is 31th october, 1st november and 2nd november / 2011, GMT: -5 (Bogota) | 15:12 |
| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: any of those days | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ok, and it's a web conference which means what? | 15:14 |
| futbolsalas15 | like a video chat, similar to webex (http://www.webex.com/) | 15:15 |
| npm | no free airfaire :-( | 15:15 |
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| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: like a video chat, similar to webex (http://www.webex.com/) | 15:16 |
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| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: have you available time for these days? | 15:25 |
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| Stskeeps | futbolsalas15: i'd say possibly, but when during the day? | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | futbolsalas15: i'm in poland, GMT+2 so it's a bit tough :) | 15:26 |
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| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: i see, please wait a moment while see the hours of the available conference | 15:27 |
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| futbolsalas15 | 31 october, between 17 hrs - 23 hrs GMT+2; 1st november, between 15 hrs - 23 hrs GMT+2; 2nd november, between 15 hrs - 22 hrs. Any of those hours you can choose, the duration of each conference is an hour and a half | 15:34 |
| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: 31 october, between 17 hrs - 23 hrs GMT+2; 1st november, between 15 hrs - 23 hrs GMT+2; 2nd november, between 15 hrs - 22 hrs. Any of those hours you can choose, the duration of each conference is an hour and a half | 15:34 |
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| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: have you time these days/hours? | 15:44 |
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| Stskeeps | futbolsalas15: mail me at carsten.munk@gmail.com | 15:48 |
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| futbolsalas15 | Stskeeps: thanks! | 15:54 |
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| lbt | YAY!!!! | 16:11 |
| lbt | maybe | 16:11 |
| lbt | 1&1 have reset the domains | 16:11 |
| lbt | The parent domain [formeego.org] of the nameserver is owned by another registrar, so we cannot create ns [ns.formeego.org]. We have reset the DNS for both domains and they should be at ready status within 24 hours. | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | so it was the nameserver registration mockup | 16:12 |
| lbt | I was going to as harbaum to translate | 16:12 |
| lbt | I think it means "we are idiots" | 16:12 |
| lbt | especially since they managed to do it for merproject.com | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | well, .org is a different system | 16:13 |
| lbt | mmm :) | 16:14 |
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| Stskeeps | so, what do we do once we have the domain back in proper state..? | 16:17 |
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| lbt | honestly, you're going to have to find someone to persuade me that god exists because prayer is all I can think of right now.... | 16:23 |
| lbt | http://www.pir.org/get/faq/general | 16:23 |
| lbt | To make changes to your domain name - including changing name servers, renewing your domain name, or transferring or deleting a domain name you need to contact your registrar or reseller, who will put the request through to the .ORG registry. PIR, like all other domain name registries, is not allowed to change records directly for registrants. | 16:24 |
| Bostik | you might want to take Valentine Smith approach to deities | 16:24 |
| Bostik | "Thou art god!" | 16:24 |
| lbt | I knew that | 16:24 |
| * lbt demonstrates omniescence.... | 16:25 | |
| lbt | (although possibly not in the area of spellling) | 16:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: my worry is that ns.formeego.org record in nameserver database is forever messed, let's see what WHOIS says in 24 hours | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think what happened is something i recall from years back.. when you registered a nameserver it mailed the various contacts of the domain it is under, but this may have been transferred to another process now | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | ie to see "is this legit" | 16:29 |
| X-Fade | Well, we have other domains we can point to the same ip if needed. | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | and get register as ns | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news, i just saw a tv series here on polish TV where a guy had a n900.. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | alternatively we can use my typical DNS provider, those i know is properly registered for .org | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | but let's just get the domain in working order first.. | 16:33 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: what was that? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | smoku: Plebania (telenowela) | 16:39 |
| smoku | o_O you watch this stuff? :) | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, just noticed while we were browsing | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:39 |
| * smoku lulz | 16:40 | |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: hawk's vision ;-) | 16:41 |
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| smoku | that you spotted it | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: pretty close, 10 packages to be deps for qtmobility and qtwebkit | 16:42 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: took from my MW:Shared? | 16:53 |
| Sage | Just wondering if you included those calendard etc things from T:T | 16:53 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps, did you remove qmf from qt-mobility, I could not get it to compile for arm. OBS just sits there until job is cancelled. | 17:16 |
| tripzero | Sage, do you still want access to devel:meego-ux? | 17:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: didnt, took from you | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | but now i think my router is fried | 18:03 |
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| * lbt prepares to pounce on harbaum .... | 18:17 | |
| mord | lbt: i think your books survived the move btw | 18:18 |
| mord | so ping me when in hel | 18:18 |
| lbt | mord: ah... that may be a problem :) | 18:18 |
| mord | humm, i see. | 18:18 |
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| Sage | tripzero: atm. no time to play with that and frankly not so much interest either. | 18:23 |
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| vgrade | http://yfrog.com/gz5h2qxj, plama on Mer on Vega | 18:23 |
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| w00t | tripzero: i think the general consensus has been to give up on the core OBS (due to it being down more often than up) | 18:28 |
| w00t | although lbt is still valiantly trying to get access to fix it :) | 18:29 |
| lbt | w00t: think of the children ^H^H^H^H^H ex-customers | 18:29 |
| w00t | lbt: yeah, I think it's frankly unprofessional and shocking the way it's basically been left to rot | 18:30 |
| lbt | Well, I quite agree | 18:31 |
| w00t | :) | 18:32 |
| berndhs | I feel bad for the companies that actually try to work with it | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: cool | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: Mer-based? | 18:37 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, yes | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | nice | 18:41 |
| vgrade | its taking the opposite route to Sage, ie providing all plasma deps over and above Mer core | 18:41 |
| * Stskeeps glances at fried router | 18:41 | |
| vgrade | I did have to work around qmf and gobject-introspection as they won't build on arm | 18:41 |
| vgrade | but all other deps are there | 18:42 |
| w00t | qmf really really really really needs upgrading | 18:43 |
| w00t | where's that atm, vgrade? | 18:43 |
| vgrade | w00t, qmf build is odd, its ok on x86 but on arm it gets to a point and just seems to stop. OBS kills the build after a few hours | 18:44 |
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| w00t | *nod* | 18:44 |
| vgrade | w00t, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Avgrade%3APA2, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Avgrade%3Abranches%3AProject%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting | 18:45 |
| w00t | ah, ok, you packaged it yourself | 18:45 |
| w00t | i was thinking that we had a shared project for that stuff somewhere | 18:45 |
| vgrade | I was working in parallel to Sage, I'm still learning so used this as a exercise | 18:45 |
| vgrade | I was working providing all deps while Sage was/is cutting things out like doc deps | 18:46 |
| w00t | k | 18:46 |
| vgrade | I'm don't know what to cut so went this route | 18:47 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Mer is back! - http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484215.html - http://www.merproject.org | Temporary location for wiki: http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/ | Contribution to packages: http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Contribution | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs" | 18:53 | |
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| mingwandroid | cool. | 18:54 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: "temporary location for wiki"? :) | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:54 |
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| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "Mer is back! - http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-October/484215.html - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/ | Contribution to packages: http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Contribution | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs" | 18:54 | |
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| mingwandroid | Problem: nothing provides hardlink needed by kernel-adaptation-vega-devel-2.6.38.3~1.01-29.1.DE.armv7hl | 18:58 |
| mingwandroid | anyone got any ideas? | 18:58 |
| mingwandroid | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/raydonnelly/DE_Trunk_Testing/armv7hl/ | 18:58 |
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| jonnor_work | vgrade, if gobject-introspection does not build on ARM, please help fix it. I can help test and get things merged, CC jononor@gmail.com | 19:18 |
| jonnor_work | at the very least file a bug/bugs | 19:18 |
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| * Stskeeps sees meego pulseaudio package and runs away screaming | 19:28 | |
| Stskeeps | 48 patches and counting | 19:29 |
| vgrade | jonnor, will file bug. If I had any idea what it was trying to do that would be a start in fixing it | 19:30 |
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| jonnor_work | Stskeeps, upstream first ;) | 19:30 |
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| jonnor_work | MeeGo succeeded so well on so many levels | 19:31 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: You ever seen "nothing provides hardlink" before? | 19:31 |
| harbaum | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvbH5J296lg | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: no, that's new, but indeed, it is missing in Mer, http://build.meego.com/package/show?package=hardlink&project=Trunk | 19:32 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: ah, can you add it? | 19:32 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: sounds kinda core to me. | 19:33 |
| vgrade | harbaum, cool. CONFIG_MT | 19:33 |
| vgrade | harbaum, CONFIG_MTD=n | 19:33 |
| harbaum | Without recompiling the kernel? | 19:34 |
| mingwandroid | recompile | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i'm kind of curious why it needs that though | 19:34 |
| harbaum | And why should i disable mtdblock entirely, i just not want them to be fsck'd | 19:34 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: I install my devel version of the kernel by default (so hackers can code/investigate problems).. | 19:35 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: so I guess kernel devel packages use hardlinks to save space. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: yeah, -devel is kernel headers so you can build modules, not much else i think | 19:35 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: also develop software. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:35 |
| vgrade | harbaum, fair point | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | usually you should compile against kernel-headers, to be matching rest of userland | 19:36 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: for example, I'm developing a dual boot init program for vegacomb (hold power down, it'll boot mer). | 19:36 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: but then we'd have to harmonise kernel across all hw? | 19:36 |
| harbaum | Is there a .ks file for cordia somewhere? | 19:37 |
| vgrade | http://212.110.185.213/wiki/Community_Workspace#Device_Adaptations | 19:37 |
| vgrade | harbaum, could you link your qmlviewer one there? | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: well, strictly speaking you rarely should need exact kernel headers :P | 19:38 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: sounds fraught with peril ;-) | 19:38 |
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| harbaum | vgrade: i don't have the .ks here, but will put it somewhere tomorrow | 19:41 |
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| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: but you're cool with adding it? | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: i'll think a bit about it - we're trying to have a good reason for all packages - i just ditched newt and linux-firmware from my own adaptation packages | 19:44 |
| vgrade | harbaum, thanks, we are getting quite a list built up of devices which boot Mer, n810, n900, ideapad, exopc, advent vega, asus transformer | 19:44 |
| mingwandroid | ok, for now we'll work around it. | 19:44 |
| vgrade | harbaum, oh and the Raspberry Pi | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | mingwandroid: long story short you're welcome to add it to your own repos | 19:47 |
| mingwandroid | Stskeeps: yeah, that's my work around! | 19:47 |
| lbt | harbaum: ah.... you are here.... got a min? X-Fade, Stskeeps and I need to sort out the merproject.org domain and you may have some knowledge :) | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we need to look into properly registering ns.formeego.org in the nameserver database | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | it still exists, http://www.verisigninc.com/en_US/products-and-services/domain-name-services/whois/index.xhtml , note the selection for "nameserver" | 19:49 |
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| harbaum | lbt: I have forwarded the peoblem to one of our network gurus | 19:51 |
| lbt | OK - ta | 19:51 |
| lbt | I was writing an email to you before I popped back here | 19:51 |
| lbt | a few mins ago someone did a reset on the control panel | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, until we know we have ns.formeego.org properly registered (how, i'm not exactly sure), i wouldn't risk trying to switch to anything else than known-working-on-.org nameservers | 19:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I cc'ed you | 19:52 |
| lbt | "I am not going to use the control panel to do this since last time I tried it took 10 days to get control of the domain back." | 19:53 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: formeego.org works on the same nameservers? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: formeego.org doesn't use ns.formeego.org as a nameserver in the WHOIS record | 19:54 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: that should not matter | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | er, that was for dm8tbr | 19:55 |
| * dm8tbr just checked and the company where we registered formeego added at least my nameserver to the registry | 19:55 | |
| Stskeeps | Name Server:FLUX.NERDSURF.DE | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | Name Server:DK0TD.AFTHD.HG.TU-DARMSTADT.DE | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | Name Server:NS3.MEEGO.COM | 19:55 |
| dm8tbr | so yes, the second one is mine | 19:55 |
| dm8tbr | actually need to drop the first one | 19:55 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: http://www.pir.org/get/faq/general#q9 | 19:56 |
| dm8tbr | yep | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | long story short: the problem is that ns.formeego.org isn't registered in the database of name servers and 1and1's control panel tried to register it anyway, failing, because it needs to be done within the registrar of formeego.org | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | that's the problem here | 19:57 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 19:57 |
| dm8tbr | so should I make that happen? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but i'm not entirely sure how you can :) | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | as it happens automatically for most things these days | 19:58 |
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| dm8tbr | we could add ns.formeego.org as a nameserver to formeego.com | 19:58 |
| lbt | and yet 1&1 made it happen for .com | 19:58 |
| dm8tbr | presto, needs to be registered | 19:58 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: i think .com is lacking some checks .org has | 19:58 |
| dm8tbr | err, dammit needs to be org | 19:58 |
| lbt | hmm so we now have .com | 19:59 |
| lbt | we can make ns.merproject.com | 19:59 |
| dm8tbr | we could register it ns.formeego.org as a nameserver to formeego.org ;) | 19:59 |
| lbt | nah... wrong circle | 19:59 |
| dm8tbr | or that | 19:59 |
| dm8tbr | trying to avoid ns.formeego.org might be a good choice if that entry screwed up | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | frankly: i think once it's back in able to be set, we set it to the DNS provider i traditionally use, instead of trying to dive further into ns.formeego.org entry problems | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | as i -know- it works for .org (tspre.org) | 20:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: we want our own NS | 20:00 |
| lbt | especially if we need to run mail lists | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | that's not a problem with my provider, my dad runs (spam) mailing lists | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i can set IN MX and all the jazz, unlimited entries,etc | 20:01 |
| lbt | I think if we can manage meego.com then merproject.org will be fine | 20:01 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: and you know what? i have touchscreen and keypad working on n800 with 2.6.38! | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | slonopotamus: cool | 20:02 |
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| bigbluehat | slonopotamus: woot! | 20:03 |
| * bigbluehat trolls here for an n800 build :) | 20:03 | |
| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: just took last commit where it still existed in linux-omap, tweaked a bit so it compiled against 2.6.38, put a bunch of code into board file and voila | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: if you want to run your own NS then you have to be bloody sure it's registered properly as a NS in the database. all i'm saying is that i have something that works, doesn't limit us and hasn't failed me | 20:03 |
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| slonopotamus | Stskeeps: and all stuff took around 1h (well, and a couple of days for failed attempt to use diablo version of driver) | 20:05 |
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| slonopotamus | next goal is n800 led (being constantly ON drives me mad) | 20:07 |
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| bigbluehat | slonopotamus: let me know if there's a way I can track your progress and/or help out | 20:08 |
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| slonopotamus | meh | 20:09 |
| slonopotamus | timed quit :) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: can you ask your registrator to help you register ns.formeego.org properly as a name server? and i don't mean within your WHOIS record for formeego.org | 20:10 |
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| * lbt suspects that if you add ns.formeego.org | 20:13 | |
| lbt | as a Name Server for formeego.org | 20:13 |
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| lbt | then it may add itself | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | possible | 20:13 |
| lbt | but .. I still say all this crap is due to 1&1 not doing this for us... and they should either add it or tell us we need to add it. A lot like the way they handle transfer requests | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | i think what happened was a bug in the system as it expected it would be able to add the nameserver to the database for .org without problems as it did in .com | 20:15 |
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| lbt | *nod* | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | they aren't supposed to be able to add for random domains, as far as i know | 20:16 |
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| Stskeeps | so i'm basically just pondering if we can cut our risks and use known working solutions, doesn't even have to the dns provider i use :P | 20:22 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: prod me tmw morning, I'll ask my friend to update the ns records for formeego.org | 20:36 |
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| vgrade | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5-setgsIfY, plasma on Vega | 21:03 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: congrats | 21:09 |
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| vgrade | and to you and cxl000 | 21:10 |
| vgrade | a Mer/MeeGo tegra team effort | 21:14 |
| RaYmAn | wow, that's pretty smooth :) | 21:16 |
| RaYmAn | (haven't been paying attention lately) | 21:16 |
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| smoku | what should I give to uxlaunch if I'm going to run my desktop environment from systemd? | 21:20 |
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| vgrade | RaYmAn, hi, yea we've been busy. lilstevie as transformer booting to Qml viewer | 21:25 |
| RaYmAn | cool :) | 21:25 |
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| vgrade | smoku, the way of starting things have changed a little, you setup a desktop file then link | 21:28 |
| vgrade | smoku, see bottom of, http://bug10738.openaos.org/images/tegra2/mer-armv7hl-plasma.ks | 21:28 |
| smoku | vgrade: that I know. but i have 3 processes to start, not one | 21:30 |
| vgrade | I think you may be able to have multiple Exec's or create a sh | 21:31 |
| smoku | that wouldn't monitor if one of them dies and restarts it | 21:32 |
| smoku | i need to dig how Maemo does that | 21:32 |
| vgrade | smoku, systemd is new to me so just feeling my way on it atm | 21:33 |
| smoku | Maemo has a supervisor that watches both Xorg and all hildon-* processes | 21:33 |
| smoku | it should be possible to mimic with systemd | 21:33 |
| smoku | BTW, how is XOrg started in current Mer setup? | 21:35 |
| smoku | got it. /lib/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ | 21:41 |
| smoku | easy peasy :D | 21:42 |
| smoku | oh. how I would like to have a text editor installed :/ | 21:44 |
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| smoku | got it. I have it kicking from systemd :D | 22:08 |
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| smoku | http://cordiahd.org/#news :-) | 23:18 |
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