| Sm4 | soooo, XA2 android support says that it doesn't support google services. does this mean that you can't install gapps or it doesn't come with it out of the box? | 07:24 |
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| FireFly | I would guess the latter | 07:26 |
| FireFly | also hm | 07:26 |
| FireFly | did we get any new info wrt XA2 and Android.. | 07:28 |
| abranson | FireFly: yes it launched yesterday afternoon | 07:51 |
| FireFly | ooh | 07:54 |
| FireFly | I should look at that this weekend then, probably | 07:54 |
| Tegu | which android version is it? | 07:55 |
| kid | 8.1 i believ it should be. | 07:56 |
| Tegu | wow, really? | 07:57 |
| Tegu | where is the announcement? I checked jolla.com and TJC briefly but didn't find | 08:00 |
| coderus | Tegu: https://together.jolla.com/question/198359/super-new-aliendalvik-8-for-xa2-released-buy-now-for-just-999-euros/ | 08:12 |
| Tegu | coderus: thanks, I must have missed it | 08:12 |
| Tegu | also, nice url :D | 08:14 |
| abranson | bargain! | 08:28 |
| *** Renault_ is now known as Renault | 08:48 | |
| Smar | fwiw, I tried to install google services, but it didn’t work out of the box | 09:02 |
| Smar | I didn’t look too hard though | 09:02 |
| coderus | Smar: what are you talking about? | 09:43 |
| Smar | did you get them working? | 09:45 |
| coderus | Smar: what??? | 09:46 |
| Smar | oh, Sm4 asked about google services | 09:46 |
| coderus | are you talking about?? | 09:46 |
| Smar | few lines up in the log | 09:47 |
| coderus | you should mention what you asking for :D | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | 09:24:05 <Sm4> soooo, XA2 android support says that it doesn't support google services. does this mean that you can't install gapps or it doesn't come with it out of the box? | 09:47 |
| Smar | well that oughta be enouh clean | 09:47 |
| Nicd- | that ? | 09:47 |
| coderus | xa2 ad packed inside squashfs and run inside lxc, so you need to repack squashfs if you want to try add google services in it | 09:47 |
| Smar | clear* | 09:47 |
| Smar | okay | 09:48 |
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| merlin1991 | I'm moving from my Jolla-C to a Sony XA2, did anybody try transfering android settings, so that ie. whatsapp and friends don't need a new registration? | 14:27 |
| mal | the information is probably somewhere in /home/.android/data/ and it might be possible to copy the relevant data | 14:32 |
| SQUelcher | I guess they're tied to a certain IMEI | 14:35 |
| mal | that could be | 14:40 |
| M4rtinK | was actually someone successfully with installation of google play services ? | 15:28 |
| M4rtinK | looks like due to the Android emulation layer now running in a container (a good idea IMHO :) ) it needs to be installed in a different way | 15:29 |
| tadzik | I wonder if this contanerization will open a way to actually isolating the apps, disallowing access to certain APIs etc | 15:52 |
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| M4rtinK | tadzik: I would really hope it also makes it possible to distribute native apps as Flatpaks | 17:28 |
| M4rtinK | tadzik: there has been a lot of progress on this front recently and it fixes most of the issues native apps have currently | 17:28 |
| M4rtinK | tadzik: not just sandboxing, but even more importantly API stability | 17:29 |
| M4rtinK | tadzik: you could decouple the app runtime from the system one and possibly even maintain more than one runtime so that old apps continue working | 17:29 |
| M4rtinK | so you could for example do a Qt 5.12 runtime without worrying the Qt upgrade borks all the system apps and frameworks based on Qt | 17:30 |
| mornfall | well, that, and a whole lot of nasty security implications :\ there are no silver bullets | 17:35 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: I'm not sure if it can be worse than what we have now security wise :) | 17:36 |
| M4rtinK | mornfall: you can only submit binaries to both Jolla Store and Open Repos at the moment anyway | 17:37 |
| mornfall | what i mean is that now you have 15 outdated versions of Qt | 17:37 |
| mornfall | at least as things are now, jolla pushes out *some* updates | 17:38 |
| M4rtinK | you have as many Qt version as you want to support runtimes | 17:38 |
| mornfall | apps in the harbour are pretty much all abandoned | 17:39 |
| M4rtinK | I'm not saying people should bundle Qt with their apps | 17:39 |
| mornfall | if each carried its own Qt, that'd be a bloody disaster | 17:39 |
| M4rtinK | how this is done on desktop is you have a Qt/GTK runtime build on top of freedesktop runtime, which has all security sensitive encryption libs | 17:40 |
| mornfall | which closes the circle and now the app developer is stuck with a platform-provided version of Qt | 17:40 |
| M4rtinK | Flatpaks are built against a runtime and contain just application code and depndencies not in runtime | 17:41 |
| mornfall | (which is where we started, wasn't it) | 17:41 |
| M4rtinK | the idea is runtime has maintainers, who fix bugs and CVEs, fixing all apps using the runtime via runtime updates | 17:42 |
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| attah | Aliendalvik keeps crashing on me all the time... anywhere i can get more logs than journal? it doesn't really seem to contain much of value | 20:54 |
| attah | It seems to take the display with it, or be connected to display shutting off... not entirely sure | 20:57 |
| Smar | there’s a bug in aliendalvik that its shutdown makes that display bug | 21:00 |
| Smar | but it’s crashing for me too... so I guess it’s a bigger problem :) | 21:01 |
| Smar | too tired to debug it now though | 21:01 |
| attah | Okay, good to know.. | 21:01 |
| attah | Yeah.. i was thinking reflash tomorrow.. but not sure i want that | 21:01 |
| attah | Perhaps it's something that i accumulated over the past couple of months that Aliendalvik doesn't approve of | 21:02 |
| Smar | my install is new, so I guess it’s some deeper problem | 21:02 |
| attah | Perhaps... but i assume it is working for *someone* | 21:03 |
| Smar | it did, until it stopped working :P | 21:04 |
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| attah | How are bz2 and git still single threaded in 2019? | 21:17 |
| mal | attah: what does "lxc-attach -n aliendalvik -- /system/bin/logcat" show, also check journalctl for anything about apkd | 21:21 |
| mal | Smar: what apps did you install before it stopped working? | 21:22 |
| attah | F-Droid and tried with Yalp store.. | 21:22 |
| attah | had it installed at some point, but cleaned up and reinstalled | 21:23 |
| Smar | mal: I think it was google keep | 21:23 |
| Smar | not too sure | 21:23 |
| mal | Smar: wouldn't that probably need google services, or does it? | 21:23 |
| Smar | I don’t know | 21:24 |
| Smar | I was going to test it (it just instantly crashed) | 21:24 |
| attah | https://pastebin.com/zhYWetK6 That's the first oddity in the log | 21:25 |
| mal | attah: do not try to guess what is wrong, show the whole log | 21:27 |
| attah | well, there is alot of exceptions... trying to find something close to a reboot | 21:27 |
| attah | okay | 21:28 |
| attah | https://pastebin.com/imtF2SNp | 21:29 |
| attah | Hmmm, OOM? | 21:31 |
| mal | attah: out of memory error | 21:31 |
| attah | But i had nothing running :/ | 21:31 |
| Smar | is there a separate memory limit for the container? it seems to be memory capped | 21:32 |
| attah | But surely not 256MB for the whole thing... must be some specific part | 21:33 |
| Smar | http://paste.dy.fi/8CB I took a log too | 21:40 |
| mal | hmm, you also have low memory killer activating | 21:50 |
| mal | lowmemorykiller: ActivityManager disconnected | 21:50 |
| Smar | yeah it sure looks like so | 21:51 |
| Smar | lxc-top is saying much of the memory is getting eaten, but I don’t know know how to debug this properly | 21:51 |
| Smar | guess I need to think something out after sleeping | 21:52 |
| mal | very odd problem, oom killer shouldn't be that active | 21:53 |
| Smar | I’m wildly guessing some of the APKs I’ve installed is going in some infinite loop somehow | 21:54 |
| mal | one possibility | 21:54 |
| mal | it's possible to do an ugly reset for alien by removing the whole /home/.android/ folder and reinstalling all currently installed apkd* packages | 21:55 |
| attah | i did that yesterday... | 21:56 |
| Smar | reinstall with pkcon? | 21:56 |
| mal | attah: do you have any apps installed now in alien? | 21:56 |
| mal | Smar: yes, with switch --allow-reinstall | 21:57 |
| mal | so it can reinstall those if version is the same | 21:58 |
| Smar | hmm I’ll test it | 21:58 |
| mal | also it's possible to check crash logs in /home/.android/data/tombstones | 22:01 |
| attah | Yes, F-Droid | 22:02 |
| mal | f-droid should work though, afaik | 22:05 |
| attah | It felt like a safe thing to start with | 22:05 |
| Smar | it seems to die to oom even after nuking .android... | 22:05 |
| mal | Smar: did you reinstall apkd packages after that? and made sure alien was not running | 22:06 |
| Smar | http://paste.dy.fi/iKg | 22:06 |
| Smar | I didn’t install any packages | 22:06 |
| Smar | I stopped aliendalvik before removing, started after it | 22:07 |
| mal | reinstall those first | 22:07 |
| Smar | ahh sorry, I misread | 22:07 |
| Smar | I did reinstall apkd packages | 22:08 |
| Smar | before starting aliendalvik | 22:08 |
| Smar | tombstones dir is empty | 22:10 |
| mal | hmm | 22:13 |
| Smar | I booted my XA2, now this is saying ”Finalizing Android update”... maybe I’ll wait and retry this later :) | 22:14 |
| attah | My "finalization" always hangs at like 20% | 22:15 |
| attah | haven't even seen it in another place than that | 22:15 |
| Smar | looks like mine was some leftover too | 22:16 |
| Smar | I’ll be off to sleep -> | 22:21 |
| mal | not sure why the finalizing android update happends, it shouldn't matter though | 22:32 |
| mal | attah: are you still around? | 22:41 |
| attah | mhm | 22:41 |
| mal | attah: a random question, does the device have a lot of pictured or videos? | 22:42 |
| mal | *pictures | 22:42 |
| attah | not really | 22:42 |
| mal | ok | 22:42 |
| attah | There are som.. but fewer than most people i think | 22:42 |
| mal | just looking at the log from Smar and the oom happens quite soon after media extractor being run | 22:43 |
| attah | Or actually.. 622 Photos does count as somewhat respectable | 22:43 |
| mal | same for you, the oom related messages start after media extractor, would you be interested in testing that move the images and videos out of the folders where they are indexed and see if that helps | 22:45 |
| attah | Could be worth a shot | 22:45 |
| attah | Although i'd also liek to figure out how i could give it 512MB instead of 256 | 22:46 |
| mal | since both of your devices seem to have similar behavior that is reasonable guess | 22:46 |
| mal | sure, there are probably things that can be improved | 22:46 |
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