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| entil | https://seap.samsung.com/linux-on-galaxy | 06:50 |
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| inte[m] | ahjolinna: http://scarlettgatelyclark.com/2017/another-successful-akademy-neon-team-bof-snappy-and-more/ | 08:10 |
| inte[m] | apparently kde decided to use snappy in their (kindof) inhouse distri | 08:10 |
| inte[m] | which barely makes sense when all major distros (except for ubuntu) chose flatpak | 08:11 |
| pa | maybe i miss something | 08:15 |
| pa | but if i disable the account from where i sync contacts, shouldn't contacts go? | 08:15 |
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| inte[m] | what is that about this samsung link above? | 08:22 |
| inte[m] | does that mean easy avaiability of sfos on samsung devices? | 08:22 |
| r0kk3rz | its too early to really know what it means | 08:24 |
| r0kk3rz | it could be running linux in a container, which is already doable on android phones | 08:24 |
| inte[m] | has that page been there for long? | 08:25 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure, but its light on details | 08:27 |
| inte[m] | or is it a more recent announcement? | 08:27 |
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| inte[m] | ok | 08:28 |
| inte[m] | not sure how they would allow install of any linux distribution and only supply the kernel | 08:29 |
| inte[m] | except for upstreaming the device drivers to the kernel source | 08:29 |
| inte[m] | which the certainly will not do | 08:29 |
| inte[m] | so, yes, probably it will be some kind of container stuff | 08:29 |
| inte[m] | or similiar to what jolla already does for their community ports | 08:30 |
| r0kk3rz | for the DeX stuff theres minimal drivers you need | 08:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | mostly just graphics really | 08:30 |
| inte[m] | reminds of replicant - are those device drivers merged into the kernel sources? | 08:31 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: jeh drivers can be supplied in a similar way as e.g. nevidia provides their graphics drivers | 08:31 |
| inte[m] | linux will be happy... | 08:31 |
| inte[m] | SCNR | 08:31 |
| inte[m] | LINUX | 08:32 |
| inte[m] | arghh | 08:32 |
| inte[m] | Linus | 08:32 |
| inte[m] | LINUS | 08:32 |
| inte[m] | i kind of automated writing LinuX lol | 08:32 |
| inte[m] | So, Linus will probably be happy since he never complained about Nvidia LOL | 08:33 |
| r0kk3rz | is linus ever happy? he is a finn afterall | 08:33 |
| inte[m] | haha true :) | 08:41 |
| inte[m] | but open drivers would of course be nice, he is right | 08:41 |
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| inte[m] | but since replicant provides open drivers to several android devices, why is there (afaik) no gnu/linux distribution utilizing those drivers to run on those devices? | 08:43 |
| inte[m] | at least i never heard someone just installed a e.g. stock debian on a samsung galaxy note 2 or sth | 08:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | not sure, maybe they're too androidy | 08:53 |
| r0kk3rz | perhaps the postmarketos people would know | 08:53 |
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| pa | maybe i'm stupid.. but who had the brilliant idea to let the device lock forever if the pin code is entered wrong for too many times? | 11:56 |
| r0kk3rz | :D | 11:57 |
| Lieke | pretty sure the default setting is unlimited tries, so it would've been your idea | 12:02 |
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| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: cool, never heard of postmarketos before but it appears to be similar to what i suggested | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | its fairly new, but is about getting proper linux with open drivers on android phones | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | i have my doubts as to whether they will be that successful, but its good someone is trying | 13:53 |
| inte[m] | interestingly they didn't implement all driver from replicant yet but maybe this is feasible | 13:53 |
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| inte[m] | the device list seems similar | 13:54 |
| inte[m] | no mobile data on any device yet, though | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | they want to use mainline kernel | 13:54 |
| inte[m] | well, wouldn't it be possible to put those modules in the kernel? | 13:54 |
| inte[m] | or did the api change? | 13:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | maybe, i dont know of the details about the replicant stuff | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | id expect they're just open implementations of the vendor blobs | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | so, not in the kernel | 13:55 |
| inte[m] | no but those are probably also kernel modules | 13:56 |
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| inte[m] | i guess | 13:56 |
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| inte[m] | or is device support in android entirely different? | 13:56 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its different, android has a lot of userspace drivers | 13:56 |
| inte[m] | ok thx, wouldn't have expected this for basic hw support like mobile data or graphics | 13:57 |
| r0kk3rz | so the kernel driver just has a basic pipe, which a userspace service talks directly to the hardware through | 13:57 |
| inte[m] | ok nevermind | 13:57 |
| r0kk3rz | i know some BT chips, and sensors tend to work like that | 13:58 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea about modems | 13:58 |
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| inte[m] | at least the replicant driver might be a suitable blueprint since obviously the genuine blobs has been sucessfully reverse engeniered | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but even with open stuff its not always that easy to slam it into the kernel | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | that was the major issue with the Xperia X and bluetooth support | 14:00 |
| pa | Lieke: the default is that. Although the default setting is also "lock the phone if exceeded", and there's no option to turn this into a Timeout. So please stop defending the undefendable. | 14:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | tbh there should be a big fat warning saying 'THIS WILL PERMANENTLY LOCK YOUR DEVICE' | 14:01 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: ah so no bt-support for the xperia x not even in the future? | 14:02 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: no it works :) | 14:02 |
| Lieke | i prefer a perm lock when my phone gets stolen, don't see how that's an undefendable position to take | 14:02 |
| inte[m] | I personally never use Bluetooth on my Jolla so i don't mind | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: but the kernel BT drivers for it are nowhere near as polished as the libbt ones | 14:03 |
| inte[m] | oh wasn't there a statement it wouldn't ? | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | its 'unsupported' but otherwise 'kinda works mostly' | 14:04 |
| Sm4 | i use bt headphones every day on the X. none of the controls work (play/pause, prev/next) but audio comes through fine :) | 14:05 |
| inte[m] | ok cool thx | 14:06 |
| inte[m] | i'm still waiting for mine to arrive | 14:06 |
| inte[m] | hopefully today | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | Sm4: what player do you use? | 14:06 |
| inte[m] | and then i will have to obtain a license | 14:06 |
| inte[m] | will do that through a friends voucher | 14:07 |
| Sm4 | spotify | 14:07 |
| inte[m] | so maybe at the weekend... | 14:07 |
| r0kk3rz | cutespot? | 14:07 |
| Sm4 | android | 14:07 |
| r0kk3rz | oh android | 14:07 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that might not work :) | 14:07 |
| inte[m] | what did actually happen to the prerelase version of the official spotify app? i obviously never made it to the store... :-( | 14:08 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: so bluetooth work in android only? that would be new since it never worked in android until now :-) | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | spotify decided not to release it | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: no? what gave you that idea | 14:09 |
| inte[m] | ah forget it | 14:09 |
| inte[m] | "ah, android yeah that might NOT work" | 14:09 |
| inte[m] | missed the not | 14:09 |
| Sm4 | oh, i had forgotten that cutespot exists. let's see if the controls work in it. | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, thats going to be a bluez5 thing not an Xperia X thing | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | if it used to work on Jolla 1 | 14:10 |
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| inte[m] | does the xperia x have a oled screen like my nokia n9 to display time and date in standby? | 14:11 |
| inte[m] | that would be cool! | 14:11 |
| Sm4 | i ditched my jolla c before i bought these headphones so haven't used them on saiflish before | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | even if it did, it would eat battery | 14:11 |
| inte[m] | it didn't eat that much battery on the n9? | 14:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | because n9 had proper low power mode | 14:12 |
| inte[m] | Sm4: how did you ditch that rare phone? thats sad!! | 14:12 |
| Sm4 | didn't actually get rid of it, just started using my other phone | 14:12 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: is that a hardware thing not implemented in the xperia x or a todo thing for jolla? | 14:13 |
| r0kk3rz | a bit of both, but mostly software | 14:13 |
| inte[m] | well so if the hw is capable that might be solved at some point | 14:14 |
| r0kk3rz | basically even with the screen sipping power it will keep the CPU active | 14:14 |
| inte[m] | i always loved to have my calendar in view even when the phone was off | 14:14 |
| inte[m] | the n9 was an amazing phone | 14:14 |
| inte[m] | especially in 2011 | 14:14 |
| inte[m] | or was it 2010? | 14:14 |
| inte[m] | was just great | 14:15 |
| inte[m] | damn microsoft for... | 14:15 |
| * entil takes a moment to install sfos x on the xperia, yay | 14:15 | |
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| r0kk3rz | nokia was tanking well before microsoft came along :P | 14:15 |
| inte[m] | ah, long time ago, whatever | 14:15 |
| inte[m] | entil: good luck :) | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | they just finished the job | 14:15 |
| Sm4 | sadly the controls don't work on cutespot either | 14:16 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: if they would just have released the n950 and the n9 to all markets we still would have meego tablets and phone today | 14:16 |
| inte[m] | and a nokia app store full of official aps | 14:16 |
| inte[m] | apps | 14:16 |
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| entil | I love how the installation instruction tells me to verify I have an unlockable bootloader, but no word about how :D must be a ploy to get me to read the whole thing! | 14:17 |
| inte[m] | there also was a acer tablet ready for realease back then | 14:17 |
| inte[m] | entil: dont forget to back up drm keys | 14:17 |
| inte[m] | just in case | 14:17 |
| entil | and no instructions for linux, ggwp | 14:17 |
| inte[m] | not possible to recover them later | 14:18 |
| Sm4 | damn i forgot to do that | 14:18 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: maybe. bb & ms both failed at that task | 14:19 |
| inte[m] | but neither bb nor ms were anywhere close to be the market leader | 14:19 |
| inte[m] | nokia was, and still growing even when elop decided to ditch symbian and meego | 14:19 |
| entil | inte[m]: nothing about drm keys on the installation page either | 14:20 |
| inte[m] | i guess we all know the "elop effect" charts :) | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: of course it wont mention the drm | 14:20 |
| entil | "of course"? | 14:20 |
| inte[m] | entil: its rather on the unlock your device page i guess | 14:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah all that stuff is on the sony site | 14:21 |
| inte[m] | entil do you understand german? | 14:22 |
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| inte[m] | i recently bookmarked this page: http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/ For english youd have to google yourself but it shouldnt be hard to find | 14:22 |
| entil | inte[m]: ein bisschen, ich habe es in der Schule gelernt aber jetzt benutze ich duolingo etwas zu erinnern | 14:22 |
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| entil | the sony page is very quiet about how to back things up, it just warns me about their destruction | 14:23 |
| inte[m] | entil but that was not bad at all!! :-) | 14:24 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: you arent supposed to back them up, thats why they get destroyed :P | 14:25 |
| inte[m] | that is the backup tool, according to the german site: http://sailfishmods.de/2017/07/howto-sony-xperia-x-teil-1-cda-drm-keys-bootloader/ | 14:25 |
| entil | r0kk3rz: ah okay, and joe q average performing this install will simply lose them, but hardcore irc hackers get to keep them... because... are they used by sfos? | 14:25 |
| inte[m] | wups | 14:25 |
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| inte[m] | https://forum.xda-developers.com/devdb/project/dl/?id=22173 | 14:25 |
| inte[m] | the second link | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: no, you cannot use them with sailfish | 14:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but you can put them back to relock bootloader and get the functions in android back | 14:26 |
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| entil | kk, so it's for restoring android | 14:27 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, and you can only back them up in the first place through an exploit | 14:28 |
| r0kk3rz | so nothing 'official' is going to mention that | 14:28 |
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| entil | I can't see myself restoring android, though | 14:29 |
| entil | I was careful not to give my fingerprint to anything with the google logo on it, didn't divulge my name, anything | 14:29 |
| entil | was hoping I wouldn't even have to boot the damned thing | 14:29 |
| r0kk3rz | lol. its ok, googly already knows everything about you | 14:30 |
| entil | of course it does, but not all of it's recent | 14:30 |
| inte[m] | oh, we just had that today: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Linux-on-Galaxy-Linux-Distributionen-auf-dem-S8-nutzen-3865639.html | 14:30 |
| inte[m] | sorry german | 14:30 |
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| inte[m] | but we were discussing this topic so it might be intersting. google translate might help | 14:30 |
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| entil | schon habe ich das Update installiert und dann kann ich wieder zum Hack fahren (mit einem Auto drrn drrn) | 14:32 |
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| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: dont know if you understand german but heise says that linux-on-galaxy will be an app which will provide a linux-distri of choice | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | i saw that | 14:35 |
| inte[m] | ah ok | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | so its probably a containery thing like you can already do | 14:36 |
| inte[m] | yeah as you said | 14:36 |
| inte[m] | nothing new eventually | 14:36 |
| inte[m] | except for thats an official samsung thing | 14:36 |
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| entil | even more updates, snifs | 14:42 |
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| entil | literally endless updates :D | 15:19 |
| entil | so funny that there are this many updates just before a downgrade ;P | 15:19 |
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| entil | hitting that XF button in FlashTool doesn't do anything and I think I ran out of time for this | 15:28 |
| entil | little chance I'll get back to this before next week :/ | 15:28 |
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| entil | or I'll just skip the drm keys... if they're only used to re-lock to re-install android, I don't think I want to waste time on downgrading and all that | 16:40 |
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| Bysmyyr | hmm, waiting for the device... | 17:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | entil: you can still reinstall android without them | 17:10 |
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| Boyeto | @entil: You can still reinstall Android, but you'll miss out on some Sony features, including some post-processing on the camera | 22:58 |
| Boyeto | you'll also not be able to use Android Pay | 22:58 |
| Boyeto | I just installed the paid-for SailfishX and it's pretty cool | 22:58 |
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| kid | *phew* | 23:30 |
| * kid finally got the DRM-keys out … | 23:30 | |
| kid | … on my way back to Android 7 now … | 23:31 |
| kid | This is just to make sure that I will never ever need them! ;-D | 23:31 |
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| * Boyeto is jealous | 23:44 | |
| Boyeto | I blew away the keys | 23:44 |
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