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| * entil bought a sony xperia x yesterday yay | 06:08 | |
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| entil | verkkokauppa was out of color choices, wonder if they're all sold out because of the sailfish deal ;P | 06:08 |
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| SQUelcher | I'm still not sure what phone to buy next. I think i will stick to my Jolla C (with cracked screen) for a while. | 06:10 |
| entil | I got it so I can use it as a work phone later | 06:10 |
| entil | a very obvious choice ("for me personally") because I want to see more commercial sailfish | 06:11 |
| entil | much love to the community porters and all that, but having a commercial distribution network helps the company | 06:11 |
| SQUelcher | I still miss the keyboard of my Nokia E90 (and previous communicators).. :/ | 06:15 |
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| entil | for work, having easy access to android apps is useful as well, though it kinda sucks to have to find some strange portals to get into google play without an account, as I'm sure banks and dotgov agencies don't really care about distributing their apps in opensource-friendly places | 06:30 |
| entil | or privacy-friendly or whatever non-google | 06:30 |
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| SQUelcher | My Jolla C always has a sysload of about 0.6, is that normal? | 07:37 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: 'other xperia versions' such as? | 07:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | entil: gov agencies should really focus on webapps... | 07:43 |
| entil | r0kk3rz: they have those too | 07:44 |
| entil | r0kk3rz: or actually I don't know if their sites qualify as apps | 07:44 |
| R-Z | webapps which require old IE and an active x component plugin | 07:45 |
| R-Z | I will never forget that customer | 07:46 |
| r0kk3rz | :) | 07:47 |
| r0kk3rz | the distinction between website and webapps is fairly shaky for sure | 07:47 |
| entil | there are more-or-less illegal and/or shady ways of getting apps from the google store if required, so I'm sure that's fine | 07:52 |
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| inte[m] | I know that the Krack attack is not that particular severe as it seems but nevertheless I'm curious if Jolla is going to supply a patch against it at when? | 08:02 |
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| Bysmyyr | most propably in next update | 08:04 |
| R-Z | seems like an easy patch to implement, I received a fix on mint a day or two after the thing was released. My guess would be next update | 08:05 |
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| inte[m] | yes exactely | 08:07 |
| sledges | PSA: Sailfish OS community collab at #mer-meeting started ~8mins ago, everyone's welcome :) | 08:08 |
| inte[m] | i only wonder why the dont simply supply an updated wpa_supplicant rpm or is that not possible? | 08:08 |
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| inte[m] | would be good press to patch it immediately, given the uprise in the media | 08:09 |
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| inte[m] | So, why not supply a patched wpa_supplicant rpm and issue a press release, mentioning that even the 2013 Jolla 1 receives an update. Android is under heavy attack (again) due to missing/impossible updates even for newer devices. Would be nice marketing without too much effort. | 08:53 |
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| Venemo | inte[m]: perhaps bring it up on the next community meeting | 09:29 |
| inte[m] | Well, when would that be? And maybe I'll have to work then. Eventually, it wouldn't an instant update at that time anyways... | 09:30 |
| inte[m] | was just a thought i think a least some jolla people are reading here so if they like my suggestion they might forward it to the people in charge | 09:32 |
| inte[m] | wanted to say, " it wouldn't BE an instant update" | 09:32 |
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| SQUelcher | I just found out that EAS/ActiveSync fails, if provisioning support is enabled on a Horde EAS server.. I just have to disable it there, sync the device once (also works if it is already "provisioned" on this server) and i'm able to sync it further on, even if i enable provisioning again.. :> | 09:42 |
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| inte[m] | to me it rather sounds like a problem in Horde | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | no deeper insights though | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | however: | 09:49 |
| inte[m] | As of Horde 5, ActiveSync support passes Microsoft's Remote Connectivity Analyzer - though you must disable provisioning on the account you use for testing since the analyzer doesn't respond to the 449 Header that is sent when Provisioning is required. | 09:49 |
| inte[m] | from: https://wiki.horde.org/ActiveSync | 09:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/10/ztes-dual-screened-phone-looks-like-a-nintendo-ds-with-bigger-screens/ | 11:12 |
| inte[m] | Interesting concept | 11:12 |
| inte[m] | No SailfishOS port yet, though :-) | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | haha, "super" thick | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | all phones used to be like that | 11:13 |
| r0kk3rz | if you cant shave with it, whats the point? | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | my N900 was over double that | 11:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | ""Mirror mode" will duplicate the same content on both screens for some reason" | 11:14 |
| r0kk3rz | nope, i cant think of a reason why that would be useful | 11:15 |
| M4rtinK | two people can watch the same movie :) | 11:15 |
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| M4rtinK | also Battleships | 11:15 |
| inte[m] | yeah, sounds like fun | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | that wouldnt work for battleships | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | you'd want different content, its cheating if you know where you're opponents battleships are | 11:15 |
| M4rtinK | chess ? | 11:15 |
| inte[m] | you could run two different apps at the same time on each screen | 11:16 |
| inte[m] | or one in tablet mode | 11:16 |
| M4rtinK | the two screens are pretty handy on the DS | 11:17 |
| inte[m] | or mirror a single app to both sides (like e.g. skygo to watch a soccer game) | 11:17 |
| inte[m] | i like the concept | 11:17 |
| M4rtinK | main screen & map/inventory, etc. | 11:17 |
| M4rtinK | would be nice for a navigation app as well | 11:18 |
| M4rtinK | main map & overview map/routing instructions/search results | 11:18 |
| inte[m] | reminds me a bit of my toshiba libretto | 11:18 |
| inte[m] | this thing was crap though. win7&touch and slow like hell | 11:18 |
| inte[m] | btw: even the arduino esp8266 has been patched now: https://github.com/esp8266/Arduino/issues/3725 | 11:24 |
| inte[m] | against KRACK | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | mer has been patched already | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | was patched like yesterday, or day before | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/wpa_supplicant/merge_requests/6 | 11:26 |
| inte[m] | cool | 11:27 |
| inte[m] | i only wonder if it was possible to provide a solely wpa_supplicant rpm | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | you can build it | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | whether jolla does a single package update is up to them | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | it wouldnt be the first time they did that | 11:29 |
| r0kk3rz | probably should've mentioned it in the meeting today, oh well | 11:29 |
| inte[m] | wasnt there a rather small update only a few days after one of the last updates? was only a small patch since some networks initially experienced problems with that release. | 11:30 |
| r0kk3rz | they do that with EA releases | 11:31 |
| r0kk3rz | jpetrell: do you know if jolla is planning a small update for wpa issues? | 11:31 |
| pketolai | the 2.1.3 release for everyone is quite close, so most likely we won't be doing separate release for the wpa supplicant | 11:32 |
| M4rtinK | it would be really good if security updates could be decoupled from the feature updates | 11:33 |
| r0kk3rz | pketolai: thanks :) | 11:33 |
| M4rtinK | I understand the increased QA impact, but that's how everyone else does it | 11:33 |
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| inte[m] | given the risk of this bug is almost neglectable, i totally understand this procedure | 11:37 |
| inte[m] | however, due to the increased media attraction it would be clever to release a dedicated patch e.g. today and issue a press statement. | 11:37 |
| inte[m] | would be a good proof of concept for the security capabilities of the jolla phones | 11:38 |
| inte[m] | e.g. like the swine flu management was for a possible bird flu outbreak | 11:38 |
| inte[m] | well, given that the swine flu management failed catastrophly, rather unlinke :) | 11:39 |
| inte[m] | well i guess thats OT :) | 11:39 |
| inte[m] | but to demonstrate the update mechanism of the jolla phone and the advantage compared (especially to) Android it would still be nice to do so | 11:41 |
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| M4rtinK | inte[m]: yeah, whole system being package based is a big benefit for security updates | 12:06 |
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| inte[m] | jup, obviously | 12:39 |
| inte[m] | i only wonder why android is still such a diff-based mess | 12:39 |
| inte[m] | i think apk should be capable to update system libs if it was possible | 12:39 |
| inte[m] | whatever, i always disliked android | 12:40 |
| inte[m] | actually, the xperia x is just ordered is my first android phone | 12:40 |
| inte[m] | but not for long i guess ;) | 12:40 |
| r0kk3rz | they're borging more things into play services for that reason | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but for sure android is a great case study of how to not make an operating system | 12:42 |
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| M4rtinK | related to this rpm-ostree & how project Atomic uses it is pretty clever | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | https://github.com/projectatomic/rpm-ostree | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | https://www.projectatomic.io/docs/os-updates/ | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | https://rpm-ostree.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | you basically have the system files as a git like tree | 12:48 |
| M4rtinK | which you can update without touching the tree you have currently checked out | 12:49 |
| M4rtinK | and then atomically switch to the new tree & reboot | 12:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | interesting | 12:50 |
| M4rtinK | you also still have the previous tree (and any others you wish to keep around) available, so you can easily roll back if the updated tree does not work correctly | 12:50 |
| M4rtinK | just atomically reboot to the previous tree | 12:51 |
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| M4rtinK | it's also similar to git in only the changes, everything else is deduplicated | 12:52 |
| M4rtinK | so you can keep many "known good" states around without crazy storage requirements | 12:52 |
| M4rtinK | overall a nifty technology & I'm quite wondering why no one is using it on mobile so far (AFAIK) | 12:53 |
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| M4rtinK | oh and just to stress it out - it completely eliminates the case of failing at random time during an update | 12:55 |
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| M4rtinK | you always download and generate the new tree state separately, without touching your working tree | 12:56 |
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| M4rtinK | and it's either successful (in which case you can reboot into it) or fails (so you can keep using the tree you have) | 12:56 |
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| M4rtinK | nothing in between | 12:56 |
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| inte[m] | jey pretty cool | 13:06 |
| inte[m] | i guess apps should be installed as flatpaks then | 13:06 |
| inte[m] | which is also quite nice | 13:07 |
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| M4rtinK | inte[m]: actually, flatpack uses ostree for storage as well | 13:11 |
| M4rtinK | inte[m]: so everything is automatically deduplicated | 13:11 |
| M4rtinK | inte[m]: all flatpack runtimes & apps | 13:12 |
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| M4rtinK | inte[m]: on the system | 13:12 |
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| M4rtinK | that's imho pretty nice & huge improvement from the current state | 13:15 |
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| M4rtinK | should really help to reduce the cost of bundling, which unfortunately has to be used quite often | 13:15 |
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| inte[m] | cool | 14:02 |
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| inte[m] | its only too bad that KDE is going for snappy | 14:03 |
| inte[m] | instead of flatpak | 14:03 |
| inte[m] | for actually no reason | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure you could package KDE for flatpak if you wanted | 14:04 |
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| inte[m] | Jeh but it would of course be nicer if no repackaging was needed | 14:33 |
| inte[m] | I guess there will be tools like alien available for converting between both formats soon | 14:34 |
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| ahjolinna | what I understand that kde does support both flatpak and snappy....appimages...not sure yet | 15:05 |
| ahjolinna | they use snap(py) mainly for ubuntu (kde-neon) ...and flatpak for other distros | 15:09 |
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| ahjolinna | inte[m]: I'm not sure why you think KDE would be snappy only | 15:13 |
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| * kid got his X delivered today … | 16:34 | |
| kid | … flashing time tonight :-D | 16:34 |
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| * cb400f swipes the X | 18:32 | |
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| * XenoPL still waits for official X Compact SFX image | 18:38 | |
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| r0kk3rz | XenoPL: you might be waiting a while, before then we will have a community image to try | 19:33 |
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| XenoPL | I know, comunity image is a first step. Hopefully my JP1 won't die on me too early. | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont know what their bar is, but i imagine if the Xperia X isnt too popular then they might give up on the idea | 19:45 |
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| tiwake | r0kk3rz: such as the Xperia XZ, X1A, XZ1 compact... etc | 22:21 |
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| phlixi | r0kk3rz jolla needs some kind of reference device for them selfs i guess, thus even if success is not as high as every one (here) wishes, chances are there will be something... | 23:06 |
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| phlixi | in the end i think thats also the reason that was behind jc. needing 200 for jolla, might as well lower cost and sell 2000 | 23:07 |
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