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| Jef91 | Is there a list of supported / functional android applications that work under the compatibility layer that comes with official sailfish devices like on the Sony X? | 01:52 |
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| pawky | why is the map app gone on Sailfish X, and what replaces it... and where is it to be found? | 06:53 |
| Nicd- | it's really gone? | 06:53 |
| Bysmyyr | maps is only in first jolla | 06:53 |
| Nicd- | haha :D | 06:54 |
| Bysmyyr | there is herewego in store | 06:54 |
| Bysmyyr | which is much better but android | 06:54 |
| pawky | Bysmyyr: in what store? | 06:54 |
| Bysmyyr | jollastore | 06:54 |
| pawky | not in my jollastore :-( | 06:55 |
| Bysmyyr | not mine either anymore :( | 06:55 |
| pawky | you see... so... e50, and now I have less than on my Jolla phone :-( | 06:56 |
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| pawky | (€50) | 06:56 |
| Bysmyyr | but actually cannot say because now useing jolla1 where it was not | 06:56 |
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| Bysmyyr | but in my jolla C had it | 06:56 |
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| pawky | well.. I have cramed in HERE manually copying the apk from a backup... but the question remains... | 06:57 |
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| pawky | how can you in 2017 offer an OS without a map app.. | 06:57 |
| pawky | written for the native OS | 06:58 |
| Bysmyyr | some info https://together.jolla.com/question/168884/user-reports-sailfish-x/?sort=votes&page=2#sort-top | 06:58 |
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| fennekki | what was with the maps app anyway; was it only licensed for distribution on the original? | 07:01 |
| fennekki | it seems to *function* perfectly fine so I don't see why it wouldn't be distributed for the C or other releases | 07:02 |
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| pawky | does anyone know how to make the Alien Dalvik report back its a Xperia Android? There are apps that did run under Xperia Android that doesn't run now :-( | 07:02 |
| pawky | or.. .doesnt install themeselves now | 07:02 |
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| pawky | fennekki: I think its (as usual) due to licensing... | 07:03 |
| Nicd- | fennekki: I think license issues from either HERE or Appello that made it | 07:04 |
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| pawky | But one might be able to rip the one from Jolla one out and install it :-) | 07:04 |
| tbr | pawky: look into "build.prop", it's probably just a missing feature flag. Haven't done anything like that in years though, so don't ask me for help. | 07:05 |
| pawky | tbr: :-) | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | tbr: what do you do nowadays? | 07:06 |
| tbr | Nicd-: I'm still being awesome, obviously. In different parts of the embedded/mobile/iot jungle though. | 07:06 |
| Nicd- | well that is a given | 07:06 |
| tbr | Actually for a while I was working on some Mer based stuff incorporating Qt 5.8 | 07:07 |
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| tbr | it was nice to see that upgrading that part (without doing "full productization fixes" though) was not hard at all | 07:08 |
| tbr | recently I've been playing with the HiKey960 board. It's refereshing to have easy UART access and things like that. | 07:09 |
| tbr | wipe the device clean and restore by "cold flashing" over USB? no problemo and there's a UART to show me the obvious blunders that I commit along the way. | 07:10 |
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| pawky | does anyone have the build.prop from the originam Xperia android image? :-) | 07:25 |
| pawky | (original) | 07:26 |
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| pawky | I think i got it from a zip file :-) | 07:29 |
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| pawky | tbr: nope, build.prop doesn't seem to do the trick, "X app not installed", any other suggestions? :-) | 07:36 |
| tbr | pawky: so it's not the store that says it's not compatible? | 07:37 |
| pawky | tbr: somehow it seems to be the app.. but i had it running on the original android for the phone | 07:37 |
| pawky | its a garmin app, for their NAV | 07:38 |
| tbr | ah, I thought it was the app-store that refused | 07:38 |
| tbr | then check logcat | 07:38 |
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| tbr | it might tell you what it was looking for | 07:38 |
| pawky | tbr: that needs to be installed right? | 07:38 |
| tbr | that's how I found out why google+ wouldn't install on a certain android-tv device. It didn't have the "google maps" marker... :-/ | 07:39 |
| tbr | no, that's a command line tool and must be already there | 07:39 |
| pawky | tbr: nope.. and cant find it with pkcon either | 07:40 |
| tbr | I'm rather sure that usage of logcat on sailfish devices is well documented | 07:40 |
| tbr | I'm certainly not an authority on that. I probably did that last time 2 years ago | 07:41 |
| pawky | tbr: seems to be an android ap under F-droid :-) | 07:41 |
| tbr | no it's not, but I really have nothing more to add to this, so please don't bother me with it. | 07:44 |
| pawky | duh... ok... | 07:44 |
| r0kk3rz | pawky: people actually used the jolla-maps app? | 07:49 |
| pawky | well.. i kind of did.. | 07:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | but its demise is a consequence of nokia selling here to daimler i believe | 07:58 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: true.. but it would still be nice to have a native maps app :-) | 07:59 |
| r0kk3rz | theres several | 08:04 |
| r0kk3rz | poor maps, maep, modrana | 08:04 |
| pawky | well.. they are either tiled or not offline apps... a native HERE version with vector maps and offline function would be nice | 08:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | a million bucks and a unicorn would be nice too | 08:19 |
| pawky | never thought of that.... but yeah why not :-D | 08:20 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: remember, we did have this type of map app on the Nokia N9, so its not as abstract as asking for a unicorn | 08:21 |
| r0kk3rz | so? | 08:22 |
| pawky | it could have been a matter of jrecompiling an existing app | 08:22 |
| r0kk3rz | that was when nokia had the full stack and was the largest phone maker in the world | 08:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | now? not so much, certainly well out of jollas capabilities | 08:23 |
| pawky | and maybe they where because of their map app ;-) | 08:23 |
| pawky | so if jolla wants to be the largest... | 08:23 |
| pawky | All I am saying it would be nice to have HERE maps compiled for sailfish, and not running as an Android app. | 08:24 |
| r0kk3rz | sure | 08:24 |
| r0kk3rz | lots of things would be nice | 08:24 |
| pawky | i do not think this one would be to far of to wish for... | 08:24 |
| r0kk3rz | it kinda is :P | 08:25 |
| r0kk3rz | without a partner of some kind, and maybe daimler doesnt want to be friends | 08:25 |
| r0kk3rz | i still dont entirely understand why nokia sold it tbh | 08:26 |
| abranson | pawky: not much to do with Jolla though - it's completely up to HERE | 08:26 |
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| abranson | I saw them at droidcon and asked them very nicely to make a Sailfish version :D | 08:27 |
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| pawky | but the original sailfish app was made by Jolla... | 08:27 |
| Bysmyyr | pawky: nope | 08:27 |
| pawky | abranson: i hope they took you up on it :-) | 08:27 |
| abranson | so do I, but I doubt it | 08:27 |
| Bysmyyr | it was some random swedish company | 08:27 |
| pawky | Bysmyyr: well, i think it came with the jolla standard app package | 08:27 |
| abranson | I think the only thing that'll make that happen is a much larger userbase | 08:27 |
| abranson | so the most productive thing we can do right now is to beg/blackmail everyone we know who should know better to get Sailfish X :P | 08:28 |
| SQUelcher | Having HERE in the Jolla 1 store would be nice, even if it is still android | 08:28 |
| SQUelcher | I don't want to transfer the .apk from my C to the 1 manually :> | 08:29 |
| pawky | the alien dalvik doesnt want to start if putting a true Xpreria android build.props into it... does anyone know whats needed for sailfish to accept the file? | 08:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | pawky: what are you trying to do? | 08:32 |
| pawky | I am trying to install a garmin app, a support app to my BMW navigator VI. | 08:32 |
| pawky | without it, the nav is only half a nav, and it worked nicely on the Xperia android version | 08:33 |
| pawky | it doesnt want to install itself | 08:33 |
| r0kk3rz | well. its probably an android 4.4 thing, not some magic build.props flag | 08:34 |
| pawky | I am assuming it checks to see if its compatible and bails out when it finds alien dalvik | 08:34 |
| r0kk3rz | does it require bluetooth to work? | 08:34 |
| pawky | hmm.. that could be it.. have to check | 08:34 |
| pawky | yes | 08:34 |
| r0kk3rz | then i wont work anyway | 08:34 |
| r0kk3rz | *it | 08:34 |
| pawky | not? o dear | 08:34 |
| r0kk3rz | alien-dalvik has never had bluetooth support :P | 08:34 |
| pawky | oh dear, oh dear... | 08:34 |
| r0kk3rz | you ventured outside the walled garden, welcome to the wastelands :) | 08:37 |
| pawky | so... sailfish, so perfect ,yet so useless.... | 08:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yes we dont get to have any nice things | 08:41 |
| Nicd- | feel the call of Android ;) | 08:41 |
| pawky | maybe this will be the final nail in the coffin... yeah Nicd, I really start to feel the call | 08:42 |
| r0kk3rz | its the main reason i didnt buy the Xperia X, because id probably just use android | 08:42 |
| pawky | maybe its time to start using Android with an aliensailfish implementation instead... | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | hehehe | 08:44 |
| pawky | That would make me cry less i think | 08:44 |
| r0kk3rz | you can port apps to Qt on Android | 08:44 |
| pawky | is there any sailfish app development going on to speak of nowadays or have everybody sailed on? | 08:45 |
| r0kk3rz | some, not much | 08:46 |
| r0kk3rz | mostly things you can just get on android anyway | 08:46 |
| pawky | and there are no plans to make the aliendalvik more android compatible? | 08:47 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla are unfortunately up shit creek with that one | 08:47 |
| pawky | and there are no alternatives to install? | 08:47 |
| r0kk3rz | theres no real replacement to alien-dalvik, and i dont think myriad is interested in developing it further | 08:48 |
| r0kk3rz | there anbox, but thats experimental at best | 08:48 |
| r0kk3rz | but will at least give you android 7.1 support | 08:48 |
| pawky | well... i see my €50 as a contribution to Jollas downfall.... | 08:48 |
| pawky | ok.. but no bluetooth whatsoever? | 08:49 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 08:49 |
| pawky | what a a waste | 08:49 |
| r0kk3rz | thats a tough nut to crack, the worlds are quite different | 08:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | it might be ok if they both used bluez, or libnfc... | 08:50 |
| r0kk3rz | but they dont | 08:50 |
| pawky | but they both use a linux kernel | 08:50 |
| r0kk3rz | not for bluetooth they dont | 08:50 |
| r0kk3rz | sailfish uses the kernel drivers, android doesnt | 08:51 |
| pawky | im thinking about some dockeresque android version | 08:51 |
| r0kk3rz | thats basically what anbox is | 08:51 |
| pawky | its just so sad... all this effort, and the result is an extremely limited phone... :'( | 08:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, the walled gardens are quite developed these days | 08:55 |
| pawky | i will probably spend this weekend putting my android image back... | 08:55 |
| pawky | i presume dual boot is an impossibility.. | 08:56 |
| inte[m] | pawky: missed the beginning but why do you want to revert to android? | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | probably, i dont think anyone has tried | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | with 'productised' sailfish it basically takes over the whole phone | 08:57 |
| r0kk3rz | not like community sailfish where all the android stuff is still there | 08:57 |
| abranson | pawky: if we're at the point where even a system with quite a large amount of android compatibility is not good enough, then android now has a complete monopoly | 08:58 |
| r0kk3rz | abranson: AD is too old to be useful anymore :( | 08:59 |
| inte[m] | pawky: i have google service installed on my jolla and i dont see where it is it limited except for bluetooth support | 08:59 |
| inte[m] | what is not working for you? | 08:59 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: disagree there. most of the essential apps like the message apps still work back to android 2 | 08:59 |
| abranson | you've got whatsapp etc, which were the real sticklers for ubuntu touch etc | 09:00 |
| abranson | if you're really dependent on 100% compatibility with android, then you're more locked in than anyone can help with. | 09:00 |
| abranson | which is a problem outside of any desire to run alternative OSes | 09:01 |
| inte[m] | i really dont see any imcompatibility. all my android apps work | 09:01 |
| abranson | i think bluetooth support was the sticking point above | 09:01 |
| abranson | which is really tricky, as android does bluetooth in a very different way, and neither approaches can really share the hw | 09:01 |
| r0kk3rz | im not dependent, but at times its like death by 1000 papercuts | 09:01 |
| abranson | freedom ain't free :D | 09:03 |
| r0kk3rz | aint that the truth | 09:03 |
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| SQUelcher | I've enabled OpenVPN on my Jolla C and it seems to reconnect to 4G like twice a minute, is there any way to stop it disconnecting every few seconds when idle? | 09:37 |
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| inte[m] | jey i just received my xperia x | 09:42 |
| inte[m] | 129pounds | 09:43 |
| inte[m] | and looks brandnew including 12m warranty :) | 09:43 |
| Nicd- | that's a heavy phone! | 09:43 |
| inte[m] | hehe | 09:44 |
| inte[m] | gbp | 09:44 |
| inte[m] | dont know where the sign is on my keyboad | 09:44 |
| accumulator | gbp=gigantic bulky packaging? | 09:44 |
| inte[m] | is it §? | 09:44 |
| inte[m] | lol | 09:44 |
| Nicd- | £ | 09:44 |
| r0kk3rz | 12 minute warranty? i guess you void it when you install sailfish x | 09:44 |
| inte[m] | Nicd-: exactely what i ment | 09:44 |
| Nicd- | § is for law matters :) | 09:44 |
| r0kk3rz | £ | 09:45 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: no warranty is not voided by installation or rooting | 09:45 |
| inte[m] | at least not within europe | 09:45 |
| inte[m] | its some european legislation | 09:45 |
| r0kk3rz | they *will* fight you though | 09:46 |
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| abranson | yeah make sure everything works before you unlock it... | 09:46 |
| inte[m] | http://www.bild.de/digital/smartphone-und-tablet/smartphone/rooten-schraenkt-gewaehrleistung-nicht-ein-c_b-27228306.bild.html | 09:46 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: yeah its like when i bought my win7-asus laptop | 09:46 |
| inte[m] | i had quite a dispute until i got the 42€ back for the win7 license i didnt need | 09:47 |
| inte[m] | however, they have to take it back | 09:47 |
| r0kk3rz | im not saying you're wrong, but like they will push back and throw warnings in your face | 09:47 |
| inte[m] | let them throw | 09:47 |
| inte[m] | i got a "rechtsschutz" (insurance paying a lawyer) | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | :) | 09:48 |
| SQUelcher | inte[m]: are you sure bild.de is a trustworthy source? :P | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | but from what i experienced they give up if you insist | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | SQUelcher: :) | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | read it elsewhere as well | 09:48 |
| inte[m] | was just the first hit on google | 09:48 |
| accumulator | I installed Google Play Store on my Xperia, but it doesn't start. Is this a known issue? | 09:49 |
| inte[m] | duckduckgo | 09:49 |
| inte[m] | the phone really looks brandnew and i better order a case next before messing it up :) | 09:50 |
| inte[m] | btw i also have a problem with my vpn setup on my jolla | 09:52 |
| pawky | inte[m]: to me bluetooth is something basic and important that just should work, as many apps use it, if its not going to work in alien dalvik its a to high limitation for me :'( | 09:52 |
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| inte[m] | pawky: ok i see but since it never worked it is something not new at least | 09:52 |
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| inte[m] | aka didnt you know that before? | 09:53 |
| pawky | abranson: to me it doesn't matter how large the compatibility is, if the apps living within thes sphere isn't of much use to me :'( | 09:53 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: its really hard to evaluate all the ins and outs of a system before you start using it | 09:53 |
| inte[m] | sure | 09:54 |
| pawky | inte[m]: true, but my hopes was that the all "new" alien dalvik was to me "more" compatible, atleast that's what was said | 09:54 |
| inte[m] | i thought most people switching to jolla x now are people who were familiar with sfos before | 09:54 |
| inte[m] | didnt expect first time users :) | 09:55 |
| pawky | who said I am a first timer? I have had it since day one | 09:55 |
| inte[m] | pawky: oh, i didn't even here there was any upgrade to ad :) | 09:55 |
| inte[m] | pawky: me too :) | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | I'm curently selling my Jolla with TOHKBD and the First One OH. quite nostalgic when I was resetting it yesterday | 09:55 |
| pawky | well, they spoke about it going to be faster and more compatible | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | still keeping my launch party queue number and the first one t-shirt as memories :P | 09:56 |
| inte[m] | Nicd-: i was too late for the party but i still have the shirt too :) | 09:56 |
| r0kk3rz | pawky: more compatible? | 09:56 |
| inte[m] | would have prefered the beanie though | 09:57 |
| pawky | Nicd-: well, you selling it all doesn't give any confidence in sailfish having a future... ;-) | 09:57 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: that was wat was said... | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | in reference to what exactly? | 09:57 |
| Nicd- | pawky: I haven't used it for over a year, it was just collecting dust :P | 09:58 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: how would i know in what reference, beyond the first jolla I presume. | 09:58 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: you should mount it in a glass cabinet, its a piece of history :) | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | it should be used! | 09:58 |
| pawky | then use it :-) | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | I don't want to :D | 09:59 |
| pawky | or.. wait... ahh... its not that usable :-D | 09:59 |
| r0kk3rz | pawky: oh, i assumed maybe you knew what you'd read :) | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | but if the buyer uses it then I'm happy | 09:59 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: I will try to check what it said... | 09:59 |
| inte[m] | so, my vpn-setup. I've setup a pptp vpn into the hamnet and i want it as an additional connection. However, sfos always sets the defaultroute to the vpn. I have therefore altered /etc/ppp/options.pptp and added "nodefaultroute" but it doesnt appear to have any effect. How can I prevent that the vpn would change the default route? | 09:59 |
| SQUelcher | I've sold both of my TOHKBDs to some collector in Taiwan :> | 10:00 |
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| inte[m] | sorry to interrupt your talk about the golden beginning :-) If anybody has an idea how to fix the vpn issue pls let me know | 10:02 |
| pawky | inte[m]: I have already written about the route and vpn in here | 10:03 |
| pawky | due to some unknown reason it doesnt change it to be the default route | 10:03 |
| inte[m] | hu | 10:03 |
| inte[m] | didnt see it | 10:03 |
| inte[m] | werent you doint ovpn ? | 10:03 |
| pawky | oh... | 10:03 |
| pawky | yeah.. but I assume its counts for all :-D | 10:03 |
| inte[m] | so you want the default route changed? | 10:04 |
| pawky | if course it could be debatable, do you want VPN to reach something specific or to use for safety... at the moment its configured for the first.. | 10:04 |
| pawky | inte[m]: I would like the ui to make a vpn be the default route when choosen | 10:04 |
| pawky | if that made any sense | 10:04 |
| inte[m] | mh, i can only tell that this is done by default | 10:05 |
| pawky | I would run the vpn through the UI when I want a safe connection | 10:05 |
| inte[m] | and even worse, obviously cannot be changed manually through the config files | 10:05 |
| inte[m] | at least for pptp | 10:05 |
| pawky | not for me.. when starting the VPN the default route is still through whatever you used before | 10:06 |
| inte[m] | but chaning the default route manually shoudl be possible to the config files, if they are evaluated | 10:06 |
| inte[m] | havent set up a ovpn ill check the gui | 10:06 |
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| pawky | inte[m]: i can give it a run now and check again | 10:07 |
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| pawky | inte[m]: damn... I think you are right... | 10:08 |
| inte[m] | maybe if you change the network entry? dont know. id try editing the config files too | 10:08 |
| pawky | maybe thats after a reboot after configuring it | 10:08 |
| pawky | inte[m]: you can add your own config file in the ui though, if you want to change it | 10:10 |
| inte[m] | yeah saw that is possible for ovpn | 10:10 |
| inte[m] | but not for pptp | 10:10 |
| pawky | inte[m]: though nothin works as I got dest: 0.0.0.0 GW: 0.0.0.0 mask:0.0.0.0 | 10:11 |
| pawky | for vpn0 | 10:11 |
| inte[m] | dont know | 10:11 |
| inte[m] | i quite dont understand what is to be entered in the Network/Netmask/Gateway field | 10:12 |
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| pawky | interesting... the vpn doesnt work at all... its connected though | 10:12 |
| inte[m] | given I want the vpn to route into 44.0.0.0/8 | 10:12 |
| inte[m] | should I put 44.0.0.0/44.255.255.255/gatewayip in there? | 10:13 |
| pawky | well normally the gateway shouldnt be 0.0.0.0 AFIK | 10:13 |
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| pawky | not for the default gw | 10:13 |
| pawky | inte[m]: what is that second one??? | 10:14 |
| pawky | 44.255.255.255 ??? | 10:14 |
| inte[m] | ah no second should be 255.0.0.0 i guess | 10:15 |
| pawky | normally its dest: 0.0.0.0 gw [your real GW] genmask 0.0.0.0 | 10:15 |
| pawky | for default | 10:15 |
| pawky | oh.. sorry.. thats if you do NOT want it to be defauld | 10:16 |
| inte[m] | yeah but i dont want the default | 10:16 |
| inte[m] | i want the vpn to route into 44.0.0.0/8 | 10:16 |
| inte[m] | :) | 10:16 |
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| pawky | route add -net 44.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0.0 gw 10.8.1.x | 10:18 |
| inte[m] | the thing is, my default route gets lost once the vpn is started | 10:19 |
| pawky | i cannot test as i will loose my connection, but x should presumably be the receiving part of your vpn | 10:19 |
| inte[m] | of course i could manually delete the route | 10:19 |
| inte[m] | and then set it again, manually | 10:19 |
| pawky | aha.. and I presume this is the problem with the UI vpn thingy.. it kicks out the default route | 10:20 |
| inte[m] | but i guess the nodefault option in the options.pptp file should be evaluated and thus no default route should be set | 10:20 |
| inte[m] | nodefaultroute option | 10:20 |
| pawky | if you dont want all traffic to go there, then you should have no default.. but then the connection shouldnt touch the default gw | 10:20 |
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| pawky | i dont know if that made any sense to you.. | 10:21 |
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| inte[m] | yes but as i say the defaultroute is changed automatically to the vpn once the connection is up and i cant find a mesure to prevent that | 10:21 |
| pawky | what does route -n give you for default route? | 10:22 |
| inte[m] | oh wait | 10:22 |
| pawky | the first one saying dest:0.0.0.0 etc | 10:22 |
| inte[m] | now it appears to work again | 10:23 |
| inte[m] | i guess that is related to the setup on the server site | 10:23 |
| pawky | this is how you should do the route for that net : route add -net 44.0.0.0/8 dev tun0 | 10:23 |
| inte[m] | it used to work | 10:23 |
| inte[m] | no route was obtained at all and i had to set the route in the vpn manually by altering /etc/ppp/ip-up | 10:24 |
| pawky | well i can imagine it wiill work for that specific net, but I imagin you have lost the ability to surf now | 10:24 |
| inte[m] | then they changed sth and the default route was set automatically | 10:24 |
| inte[m] | and now it started working again | 10:24 |
| inte[m] | strange | 10:24 |
| pawky | but was it set to your vpn? | 10:24 |
| pawky | just check what 0.0.0.0 routs to | 10:25 |
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| inte[m] | surfing works | 10:25 |
| inte[m] | 0.0.0.0 is route correctly | 10:25 |
| inte[m] | not sure if net44 works as well | 10:26 |
| inte[m] | the routes seem fine but it doesnt appear to | 10:26 |
| pawky | ping 44.xx something? | 10:26 |
| pawky | ive got that strange default route 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0 never seen such a thing before... | 10:27 |
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| pawky | oh... i seem to have missed the Domain: parameter on that ui... a bit of a strange way to enter things... | 10:29 |
| inte[m] | ok my vpn is working again now | 10:30 |
| inte[m] | cool | 10:30 |
| inte[m] | propbably a server-side thing | 10:30 |
| inte[m] | im setting the default route into the vpn in /etc/ppp/ip-up | 10:31 |
| inte[m] | but for ovpn this is different | 10:31 |
| inte[m] | maybe you can export a working .ovpn file from you desktop and import that into your jolla phone | 10:31 |
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| pawky | inte[m]: yeah.. i will probably have to do so, i just wanted it to work by using the UI, not having to go the extra mile. | 10:32 |
| pawky | i mean, isnt that what a UI is for? ;-) | 10:32 |
| r0kk3rz | and when the UI fails, thats what the terminal is for :P | 10:34 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: exactly, and THATS why I would like to continue to use sailfish... but alas, without some basic features that has been around for like... a decade thats a no can do i think | 10:35 |
| pawky | I will put my €50 Sailfish X receipt under a glas dome in my mobile phone museum.... | 10:36 |
| pawky | probably tag it early "prototype" | 10:37 |
| r0kk3rz | hah | 10:37 |
| pawky | i presume trying to see if this phone will do SDP compared to the Jolla 1 would be an effort in vain as well... | 10:38 |
| inte[m] | im mostly satisfied with what my jolla does | 10:38 |
| r0kk3rz | sdp? | 10:38 |
| pawky | are you connecting it to anything? | 10:38 |
| pawky | ssdp | 10:38 |
| inte[m] | can anybody confirm wether usb otg works in AD or not? | 10:38 |
| inte[m] | on the jolla x | 10:39 |
| pawky | try connecting you phone to..... lets say..... ah.... a sony camera :-) | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah dont do that | 10:39 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: not sure if its presented to AD actually | 10:40 |
| pawky | oh.. wait.. no lets try to use it for your bluetooth garmin.. oh.. no wait, try to use it with your car bluetooth dongle.. no.. wait.. those bluetooth speakers from JBL.. .no wait.. | 10:40 |
| inte[m] | i thought sony cameras were wifi so i guess it should work | 10:40 |
| pawky | inte[m]: try, try try :-) | 10:40 |
| inte[m] | why would i want an android app for speakers and/or handsfree | 10:40 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: theres problems with the wifi discovery stuff they do | 10:41 |
| inte[m] | havent installed yet | 10:41 |
| inte[m] | i need to backup the keys, obtain a license through a friends voucher etc. | 10:41 |
| pawky | you will only need that little SSDP protocol working... which actually does in sailfish, but then when you need it in your android ap... alien dalvik doesnt care about ssdp | 10:41 |
| inte[m] | im just curious | 10:41 |
| inte[m] | r0kk3rz: then its rather a sony than a sfos issue | 10:41 |
| inte[m] | what is ssdp at all? | 10:42 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: the problem is actually not in sailfish itself... you could see the ssdp when using the jolla 1 and also write some cool perl scripts using it. Its when you need it in an android app things go haywire | 10:42 |
| inte[m] | ah i see service discovery | 10:42 |
| pawky | Simple Service Discover Protocol | 10:42 |
| pawky | an easy way to connect two wifi units together :-) | 10:43 |
| inte[m] | and manually "paring" the cam with the phone wouldnt solve it? | 10:43 |
| inte[m] | propbably not i guess otherwise you wouldn complain :) | 10:43 |
| pawky | I havent tried it on the Xperia and the "new" alien dalvik" but i presume time spent on trying will be time spent in vain... | 10:43 |
| r0kk3rz | inte[m]: the app doesnt get into the right state usually | 10:43 |
| pawky | inte[m]: nope, it wont... as your android app wont be able to figure things out | 10:44 |
| r0kk3rz | "new" lol. 4.4 vs 4.1 is barely worth mentioning | 10:44 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: thats what i meant ;-) | 10:44 |
| pawky | inte[m]: so, you can connect manually through sailfish, and you will be able to communicate with it using, curl, wget you name it... but with android?... Nada Enchiladas... | 10:45 |
| r0kk3rz | so write an app | 10:46 |
| pawky | and this I REALLY dont understand... someone seem to have done only ha half hearted job [pointing to myrriad] | 10:46 |
| r0kk3rz | integration stuff is more jollas side of the fence, not myriads | 10:47 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: It has come to mind yes... it really has | 10:47 |
| pawky | r0kk3rz: but not being a full time programmer, It would take ma quite some time to get it all going. I have tried to figure it out in that sailfish IDE. But after seeing the amount of new apps to sailfish drain, several years in between hardware changes I am not so sure it will be worth the effort | 10:49 |
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| inte[m] | but wouldnt it be worth some efforts to somehow trick the android app to switch to the connected state? | 10:59 |
| inte[m] | oh. ooooh. https://together.jolla.com/question/170717/sailfish-x-does-it-support-usb-otg/ | 11:01 |
| inte[m] | that sucks of course | 11:01 |
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| abranson | r0kk3rz: i think 4.1 to 4.4 is quite dramatic considering prevalence and support | 11:25 |
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| abranson | 4.1 is unsupported, and only remains on 7.6% of devices. 4.4 still has 16% and is offically supported | 11:26 |
| abranson | not for long, but it's two very different sides of the tracks | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | true | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | but tbh jolla needs to pay someone like krnlyng to work on anbox full time :) | 11:27 |
| abranson | well they're already paying him full time, but I'm not at liberty to say what he's working on :P | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah well you needed a good libhybris hacker on staff | 11:30 |
| abranson | tell me about it. sailfish x is a hell of a lot more working than it would have been without his arrival :D | 11:33 |
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