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| Nicd- | oh this page is still there: https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 09:55 |
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| Hartzi | looks a bit sad | 10:34 |
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| Acce | hasn't been updated I see.. | 10:36 |
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| Pawky | My phone is slowly dying, and so the OS with it. Without being able to buy any new hardware that is made for the European market, or any possibility to simply install Sailfish, inkluding the Alien Dalvik, all hope is but lost. | 11:56 |
| Pawky | in the end one might ask "what where they thinking?"... | 11:56 |
| Pawky | (install it on an android hardware, i meant) | 11:57 |
| Pawky | So, my question is, what are your future plans, once the phone goes dead? Where to go from here? | 11:58 |
| Jope | evaluate the available options and pick the least annoying one | 11:59 |
| Jope | and dream of a better life | 11:59 |
| Jope | alternatively: learn how to adapt it to some android device | 11:59 |
| Jope | if the existing ports are not to your liking | 12:00 |
| Pawky | ahh so you mean there are simple ports to install , inkluding the Alien Dalvik? | 12:00 |
| Pawky | (of course I could also do it the hard way, but really is that Jolla's plans for future users?) | 12:00 |
| mal | not with alien dalvik | 12:01 |
| Pawky | I'll rest my case :-) | 12:01 |
| Turski | I wanted to continue with sailfish but had to adapt to using android | 12:01 |
| Pawky | You see, Sailfish is good and all, but needs the Alien Dalvik to be competitive. | 12:01 |
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| Pawky | Turski: I do not want to adapt, but what on earth are we loyal people to do? | 12:02 |
| Turski | as I bought nexus 5X after broke my screen and there was no more replacement parts available | 12:02 |
| mal | alien dalvik is not available for ported devices due to licensing | 12:02 |
| Turski | Pawky: I didn't want it too | 12:03 |
| Pawky | I would have no problems even buying the same old phone, just to continue using the OS.. | 12:03 |
| larstiq | Pawky: if you find enough like minded people you could maybe preorder | 12:03 |
| Turski | Some time i was hoping that fairphone 2 would get sailfish officially but that didn't happen | 12:03 |
| Pawky | In my oppinion, sell something, anything, or at least make us able to install the whole sheebang into other phones. | 12:03 |
| Pawky | or else, Sailfish, and so Jolla is dead. | 12:04 |
| Pawky | Turski: me to | 12:04 |
| Pawky | Is there a (working) open source alternative to Alien Dalvik out there? | 12:05 |
| Pawky | that will work just as well with Sailfish? | 12:05 |
| jpaana | sfdroid is probably the closest such alternative, though quite different approach | 12:06 |
| mal | different in way it has been done, but with the multiwindow support it does looks quite similar | 12:06 |
| Pawky | No, NFC, Bluetooth, GPS, sensors, USB or GSM.... not much left there for the apps to use. | 12:08 |
| Pawky | Can we safely say Jolla has totally abandoned us faithfull users? :'( | 12:09 |
| larstiq | Pawky: no | 12:09 |
| Pawky | well i am aaaaaall ears @(•‿•)@ | 12:10 |
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| Pawky | larstiq: or maybe your short answer was simply a methaphor for how Jolla communicates to their users? | 12:13 |
| Hartzi | oh here we go again | 12:15 |
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| larstiq | Pawky: you'll still get updates, it would be nice to do more community devices | 12:17 |
| larstiq | Pawky: where does this abandoning rhetoric come from? Nothing drastically changed lately | 12:18 |
| Helle | Pawky: the problem is, Alien Dalvik is not a Jolla product, they licensed it for their own phones, but as there is a cost to it, can't do so for other phones | 12:18 |
| Hartzi | because there is no new devices comming from Jolla every year. | 12:19 |
| Helle | you could try getting in touch with the company that does produce it and getting license info | 12:19 |
| larstiq | Hartzi: riight | 12:19 |
| Pawky | larstiq: Well, where am I to go once my phone shuts down? | 12:21 |
| Hartzi | larstiq: can you find better reason why SOME people complaing about abandoning users? :D | 12:21 |
| Pawky | wouldnt you say, no alternative whatsoever would bu just as much as abandoning your customers | 12:21 |
| larstiq | Pawky: dying hardware is a problem, but no I would not say that is abandoning our customers | 12:22 |
| larstiq | Pawky: from what money do you suggest Jolla give you a new phone? | 12:23 |
| Pawky | larstiq: How about the one I pay for when buying a... phone? | 12:25 |
| larstiq | Pawky: first there has to exist a phone, and you can't order just one from a factory | 12:25 |
| Pawky | we don't need more features once our phones are dead do we??? | 12:25 |
| larstiq | Pawky: so that requires an up front investment, which is shaky if you don't know if you'll recoup that | 12:25 |
| larstiq | plus infrastructure around supporting customers, repairs, etc | 12:26 |
| larstiq | Pawky: as I said, preorder for a large enough amount and this risk is a lot less | 12:26 |
| Pawky | not necessarily, if one could buy other phones to install it upon. But that requires Alien Dalvik | 12:26 |
| Pawky | I have no problems if my phone is a Nexus, even a Microsoft... whatever, just as long as I can put in Sailfish, Dalvik included. | 12:27 |
| Pawky | so, if Jolla does not want to focus on some crowd sourcing or manufacturing, fine but at least give us a way to install the softare somewere.... | 12:27 |
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| Pawky | or how else is Jolla going to stay alive, its not that we pay for our upgrades are we? | 12:28 |
| r0kk3rz | larstiq: antti was on record saying 'there is no mass market for sailfish consumer devices'. hence talks of abandonment | 12:28 |
| Pawky | Thus, unless there will be another hardware out there soon, from whomever that might be, there will be no mor Jolla. | 12:28 |
| Tomo | they stay alive with funding from angel investors etc, just like before | 12:28 |
| Tomo | they've yet to create a positive cash flow, which is typical for tech startups | 12:29 |
| larstiq | Pawky: OMP has customers and hardware | 12:29 |
| Pawky | but will they continue to fund an OS that in the end (and that will probably be sooner than later), has no hardware to run upon? | 12:29 |
| Pawky | OMP | 12:29 |
| Tomo | the russian government hopefully takes care of the hw ;) | 12:29 |
| Pawky | well.. that doesnt sound like most of the faithfull Jolla phone owners I know of... shall we say, we are abandoned? | 12:30 |
| larstiq | r0kk3rz: mja, the historic market is too small to be sustainable. Claims for it to be larger need to be substantiated. | 12:30 |
| larstiq | Pawky: if you want to be melodramatic | 12:30 |
| Pawky | We need to be able to install Sailfish, Dalvik included, on other hardware... thats my point.. or else we go silently astray.. | 12:30 |
| Nicd- | where's the money in that for Jolla though? | 12:31 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: im certain jolla will continue to support the devices shipped already as long as they practically can | 12:31 |
| Pawky | Well.. my phone does have another few months to go... maybe a year, but once the screen cracks or what have you, its game over. | 12:31 |
| r0kk3rz | future decides depends on willing partners | 12:31 |
| Nicd- | it won't attract a huge number of new users and it will cost a lot of money in licensing | 12:31 |
| r0kk3rz | *devices | 12:31 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: True, and what I am saying is, that end date is probably quite near.. | 12:31 |
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| Pawky | so, time for a new strategy.. any strategy, but not this.... silence. | 12:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | Pawky: they have a new strategy, b2b2g | 12:32 |
| Pawky | I bought the tablet.. I got my money back, and I happily would have bought another phone with it if I could, but I couldn'tt | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | i have no idea how viable this is | 12:32 |
| Pawky | b2b2g? | 12:32 |
| Pawky | business to business 2g phones? ;-) | 12:33 |
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| Pawky | JOLLA, weeeeeee, neeeeeeed som friggin hardwaaaaaaaaaare! | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | biz 2 biz 2 govt | 12:34 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: will you pay for it? | 12:34 |
| Pawky | well.. but that will truely make me feel Jolla has abandoned us, as was my initial statement.. | 12:34 |
| Nicd- | btw whatever happened to Jolla's hardware side that was spun off? | 12:34 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: yes I will, just as with the non existing tablet | 12:34 |
| Pawky | We are here, we do have money... we will axept to buy whatever phone (good enough) just if Jolla provides the Sailfish AND the Dalvik | 12:35 |
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| Pawky | both, not half | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | who is we? you and 2 friends won't cut it | 12:35 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: Ahh... so we where only two people how bought the tablet.... well we must be pretty rich then, regarding the amount the crowdfunding got in a few days | 12:36 |
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| Pawky | Nicd-: We are certainly not 2, if thats the case and you are working at Jolla, it clearly shows us you have abandoned us... with this belief | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | I don't work for Jolla | 12:37 |
| Pawky | and if you arent, you also seem to feel you are abandoned.. | 12:37 |
| Pawky | So what we need is, Sailfish, and Dalvik and to get it installable on anything that moves, or else its game over. | 12:38 |
| Pawky | Thats my point. | 12:38 |
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| Pawky | (game over for us current users that is) | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | how many tablets were ordered in total? | 12:39 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: hmm... it was the highest amount ever crowd funded in shortest amount of time... let me check. | 12:40 |
| Pawky | 21633 backers | 12:40 |
| Pawky | $2.5. So.. if we skip the hardware, and just pick one out there, maybe Jolla can use the funding to asure it will be compatible, and also a Dalvik for android apps.. | 12:42 |
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| Nicd- | hardware adaptation isn't free. 22k buyers also won't bring in a profit | 12:43 |
| Pawky | Then we can make the dream continue of a true open source alternative (yes its a dream, but still) | 12:43 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: it is far cheaper than having to develop a new product | 12:44 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: maybe not much of a profit, but you need users, for several reasons, one is marketing, testing, etc etc.. | 12:44 |
| mornfall | nah, testing is totally overrated | 12:45 |
| mornfall | and the current user base is also too small to get stuff covered and the dev team is too small to fix the bugs anyway | 12:46 |
| jpaana | isn't that what users are for? :) | 12:46 |
| mornfall | jpaana: users are overrated too, clearly :) | 12:46 |
| Nicd- | larstiq: what happened to Jolla's hardware division? | 12:47 |
| mornfall | Nicd-: tablet happened I guess | 12:47 |
| Pawky | well, reading above, it seems most in a way agree with me we are abandonned... at least we feel that way | 12:48 |
| Pawky | mornfall: only s few | 12:48 |
| mornfall | well, there's talk of a major sfos update... | 12:48 |
| Pawky | mornfall: Great, but with no hardware... what are we supposed to do with it? | 12:50 |
| Pawky | Am I the only one who thinks we need new hardware to run sailfish OS upon??? | 12:50 |
| Pawky | Am I the only one happy with my phone? | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | personally I have no need for new hardware because the software is not in a state good enough for me to use it | 12:53 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: Ok, thats sad but explains your earlier comments. I have used Jolla daily since day one. | 12:53 |
| MMori | Pawky: Couldn't agree more, I bet there's a bunch of people waiting to buy a new device but that's not likely to happen | 12:53 |
| Nicd- | I did from launch party till this fall | 12:54 |
| Pawky | MMori: So give us the option to install on some other hardware, any hardware... :-) | 12:54 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: mine is still going strong, even took a beat falling out of my pocket in 70km/h | 12:54 |
| MMori | Pawky: indeed | 12:55 |
| Pawky | make it an installable OS :-) | 12:55 |
| Pawky | and the Dalvik or its similatity is a must. | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: the phone is not broken, but the OS is not good enough | 12:56 |
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| Pawky | Nicd-: A matter of oppinion I believe, but I hear you. | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | as I said, where is the money in making it installable on any hardware? | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | Dalvik costs money | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | there's a reason why it's not in community ports | 12:57 |
| Pawky | crowd funding it? | 12:57 |
| ibins | Pawky: in case of an emergency: https://together.jolla.com/question/152733/selling-original-jolla-phone/ | 12:57 |
| Pawky | selling the OS... | 12:57 |
| MMori | The os will improve over time Nicd- | 12:57 |
| MMori | but only with money | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | MMori: I hope so | 12:57 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: go for it, make a kickstarter | 12:58 |
| MMori | Now if they're smart they'll get a decent amount of money from the deal in Russia e.g. | 12:58 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: That wont happen if Jolla isnt in on it.. | 12:59 |
| MMori | If not, I don't know why make a deal in the first place | 12:59 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: why wouldnt they be in on it? | 12:59 |
| Pawky | ibins: scratches on it? | 12:59 |
| ibins | I'm not the seller, just the messanger. Ask him | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | anyone estimated the user base of community ports? I would guess it's tiny | 13:00 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: the bigger the user base the better, the more noice the better, its adeveticement, its walking commercials.. | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | Jolla's user base is already tiny and most people are not ready to install a custom ROM on their phone | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | most of the community hardware adaptations have features that don't work anyway | 13:01 |
| Pawky | ibins: I believe the price might be a bit on the steep side, being a used one... | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | so I don't think there is any customer base in just selling the OS with Dalvik for 3rd party devices | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: buy my TOHKBD ;) | 13:02 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: Arent you simply agreeing with me, we are an abandoned bunch? | 13:02 |
| Nicd- | I'm just commenting on your ideas | 13:02 |
| Nicd- | I'm not a part of "we" anymore that much | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: yes. if you handle the OEM and the device, im sure jolla will give you the best rates they can on helping with adaptation and dalvik license | 13:03 |
| ibins | Pawky: Well, it seems you can't get satisfied that easily. Any new device will cost more. | 13:03 |
| Pawky | ibins: well... its a used one.. it does differ. | 13:04 |
| Nicd- | damn I remember watching Slush 3 years ago when Jolla revealed the launch party date | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | it was crazy | 13:05 |
| Pawky | I have to buy new battery etc etc.. but I do seriously concider your offer. | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | good memories :) | 13:05 |
| Pawky | :-) | 13:05 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: meaning? To make the Jolla community and its users feel we are not abandoned we simply have to crowd fund a phone, and pay Jolla for all porting, etc etc? duh? | 13:06 |
| Hartzi | Nicd-: those memories were too optimistic :/ | 13:06 |
| Nicd- | Hartzi: but they are good memories. I remember every time I was walking my dog that fall I took my phone and browsed Jolla's Twitter and other accounts for any news | 13:07 |
| Pawky | Observere, I never said Jolla doesn't have a future. Its us faithfull users/fans what have you that doesn't seem to see the light... | 13:08 |
| Hartzi | Nicd-: yeah | 13:08 |
| Nicd- | I had never been as excited for a release of something | 13:08 |
| Hartzi | me either | 13:08 |
| Tomo | i was in the first 500 orders who'd get the device live at Narinkkatori, but couldn't make it.. painful two days waiting for it to be delivered via mail | 13:09 |
| Hartzi | I was more excited about the jolla phone than my "new" V8 BMW :P | 13:09 |
| Nicd- | Tomo: damn. I was #300-something | 13:09 |
| Hartzi | Nicd-: I was 305 | 13:10 |
| Hartzi | you were after that ;) | 13:10 |
| Nicd- | yes, I think 32x | 13:10 |
| Hartzi | how's that possible if you were straight after me? | 13:11 |
| Pawky | But this all be good memories to share, if we wont have any future hardware to run upon... | 13:13 |
| Nicd- | Hartzi: maybe 306 then | 13:13 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: no can do | 13:13 |
| Hartzi | Jolla has no money to make new phone | 13:14 |
| Pawky | thats why I am suggesting being able to install it upon whatever, with the important part, Dalvik must be included. | 13:14 |
| Hartzi | Dalvik costs money that Jolla doesn't have | 13:15 |
| Pawky | If Jolla is interested in keeping us nostalgic people tallking about the days etc etc (adverticing the company to others) then we need help with the Dalvik | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: basically yes. If jollas investors dont want to pony up the cash for another crack at a device after the tablet disaster. and no established business is serving out needs... | 13:15 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: Even so, maybe there might be a solution... If one can create a phone, put people upon the moon, we certainly can solve this. | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | unfortunately you cant force people to make you a product, either they want to, or they dont. | 13:16 |
| Pawky | I could pay for the dalvik if that would be possible and in a fair range | 13:16 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: there's not enough these nostalgic people. I don't want to spend 100€ for a mobile OS | 13:17 |
| Pawky | How many Windows licences havent I bought for nothing only to install Linux.. | 13:17 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: First we have to establish, how much would it cost to buy that Dalvik license | 13:17 |
| Pawky | mayby you would pay... €50 | 13:17 |
| Hartzi | no I wouldn't | 13:18 |
| Pawky | thats half a night out, well... at least a few starter beers | 13:18 |
| Hartzi | Proper device will cost a lot of more in addition to that | 13:18 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: Well thats to bad, you don't want to.. but there might be people who does. | 13:18 |
| Hartzi | yes they're called investors | 13:19 |
| Pawky | Well if thats your only vision then you are clearly out of the game. I still believe there might be a way, something we can overcome if we want to continue use Sailfish | 13:19 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: why wouldnt you pay for it by the way? Principle? No money? No interest? | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: put up some bounty money for sfdroid instead | 13:20 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: I still believe one needs jolla along the ride, as you need some drivers for different phones in the lower layers.. | 13:21 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: how do you mean? | 13:21 |
| Pawky | I presume there needs to be some adaptation for whatever hardware platform to run the phone upon I suppose. | 13:23 |
| Helle | not really | 13:23 |
| Pawky | wifi, bluetooth, 3g,4g hardware? | 13:23 |
| Helle | nope | 13:23 |
| Helle | Alien Dalvik touches none of those directly | 13:23 |
| Pawky | well thats a good start at least | 13:23 |
| Pawky | Helle: thats true.. | 13:23 |
| Pawky | but I mean if you want Sailfish to run upon other phones | 13:24 |
| Helle | Pawky: sure, but that is independent of the capability of running Android apps under SailfishOS | 13:24 |
| Pawky | Helle: true, but we need hardware to run Salfish, and Dalvik to run android apps. | 13:25 |
| Helle | the reason Alien Dalvik doesn't expose a bunch of things to the Android side is lack of implementation, not lack of ability to implement it portably | 13:25 |
| Pawky | so, we need Jollas help for the hardware part at least | 13:25 |
| Helle | Pawky: if you pay them, you can license SailfishOS for any HW you want | 13:25 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: not enough money to trow away. OFC if I won in euro jackpot I would support Jolla. | 13:25 |
| Helle | just don't expect it to be cheap | 13:25 |
| Pawky | Helle: True, but I am a user, not a hardware manufacturer or company... | 13:26 |
| Helle | else, you need to do the porting yourself or pay a third party for it and then still you only have community support for actually running SailfishOS | 13:26 |
| Helle | Pawky: it all comes down to "you can't have that for free" | 13:26 |
| Pawky | again this concludes, jolla has abandoned their faithfull users... you have to do it all yourself. | 13:26 |
| Helle | Pawky: you bought a phone, not a license to use their software on any device | 13:27 |
| Pawky | But what amazes me most is that I seem to be the only one in here wanting to continue using Sailfish after my phone has died. | 13:27 |
| Helle | Pawky: you are the only one who considers it impossible | 13:27 |
| Pawky | Helle: I am not following you | 13:27 |
| Helle | while community ports exist, essentially just lacking Alien Dalvik | 13:27 |
| Pawky | Helle: Well I started writing supposing it was possible, and I still believe it is. Its just that everybody else in here (which is quite a few trusty fans) only throws at me how impossible everything seems to be. | 13:28 |
| Pawky | which only confirms my initial statement. Jolla will die with my phone and there is nothing I nor we can do about it. | 13:29 |
| Helle | Pawky: no, it is impossible for Jolla to do it for you or to support it | 13:29 |
| Hartzi | It is easy to be idealistic when you're not paying the whole thing | 13:29 |
| Helle | Pawky: because they are gaining nothing but loyalty and you can't pay engineers with that | 13:29 |
| Pawky | Helle: No its defenitely not. We can all do it... if we want to. | 13:29 |
| Pawky | Helle: there is money as well... money in numbers. | 13:30 |
| Hartzi | money in numbers? How many fans do you think that Jolla has? | 13:31 |
| kimmoli | less than apple? | 13:32 |
| Helle | Less loyal aswell, but that is because Apple fans are the weirdest | 13:32 |
| Pawky | Helle: You should read about the band Marillion and how crowdfuning made them survive | 13:32 |
| Helle | Pawky: then propose a crowd funding campaign with a clearly defined goal and how it would make Jolla have a decent cash flow | 13:33 |
| Pawky | Its interesting reading, no matter what one might think about the band... | 13:33 |
| Pawky | Helle: do you really suggest this? Would you do it after reading this backlog? | 13:33 |
| Pawky | If at least I would have noticed some people agreing about anything I have written so far, It might have been worth it. But I only get negative feedback | 13:34 |
| Pawky | Not one of you do seem to agree, which makes me a bit baffled. | 13:34 |
| Hartzi | no wonder when youre over optimistic | 13:35 |
| Helle | Pawky: so far, your only suggestions are for Jolla to do a ton of engineering, for no income | 13:35 |
| Pawky | Helle: I cannot make Jolla have a decent cash flow, but maybe make everybody have new hardware, and everybody gaining on it. | 13:35 |
| Pawky | Helle: No.. i am pointing out we need to be able to run both Sailfish and a Dalvik on whatever hardware. | 13:36 |
| Pawky | Sailfish does actually run on other hardware. | 13:36 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: what do you know about IT-business anyway? What's your background? | 13:36 |
| Pawky | its the Dalvik license issues, or some funding to make an alternative work thats the upphill battle | 13:36 |
| Helle | Pawky: Dalvik license is as said, not even a Jolla thing | 13:36 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: been working in it for... 35 years | 13:36 |
| Pawky | giv or take a few | 13:37 |
| Pawky | Helle: I know, but I presume Jolla has more strings to pull there compared to me. | 13:37 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: and still you ignore the most of the facts | 13:38 |
| Pawky | Jolla knows what written in the agreement, and can thus see if thats even a road to take, or if one should fond something else. | 13:38 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: Now whats your background, etc? | 13:38 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: what facts? | 13:38 |
| Pawky | Are you sure I am ignoring them? | 13:38 |
| Helle | Pawky: you are tying two issues together | 13:39 |
| Helle | "SailfishOS running on other hardware", this has been done, mostly by the community | 13:39 |
| Pawky | Helle: As I wrote | 13:39 |
| Helle | and Jolla has license terms that sort of permit it | 13:39 |
| Pawky | Helle: exactly | 13:39 |
| Helle | and then ADDING to that, the complex issue of licensing Alien Dalvik | 13:39 |
| Pawky | EXACTLY! | 13:40 |
| Helle | which is developed by a third party | 13:40 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: jolla doens't have big community to carry it always when it runs out of money. | 13:40 |
| Pawky | so, this is the issue we need to address somehow. | 13:40 |
| Helle | Pawky: most people don't think Alien Dalvik is that crucial | 13:40 |
| Helle | that is all I am seeing here and that is my own opinion aswell | 13:40 |
| Hartzi | Pawky: UX Design is my profession in big B2B company RND | 13:40 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: right, but thats not necessarily the community's business to do either. | 13:40 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: even so, I would say we do try if we can. | 13:41 |
| Hartzi | most of the people would pay even 50€. You can calculate how many people is needed to donate to make things happen. Quite a lot... | 13:42 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: its Linux for me... thats why I fighting for sailfish OS.. | 13:42 |
| Pawky | Hartzi: Well, first we need to know how much money it will take, should we not? | 13:42 |
| Pawky | we cant just second guess it all.. | 13:42 |
| Helle | Hartzi: 50 euro for a personal license to use Alien Dalvik (with updates to the latest Android version as of right now) on any number of devices, probably | 13:42 |
| Pawky | we need an idea, or a few actually. and then look what is viable | 13:42 |
| Helle | But sfdroid would avoid that issue entirely, so I think I agree on bounty money being put on that makes more sense | 13:42 |
| Helle | as then it can be community maintained in the long run | 13:43 |
| Pawky | Helle: Now you at least start thinking in a positive way, how can we achieve it.. instead of telling me it cannot be done, it costs to much etc.. | 13:43 |
| Pawky | thats the spirit! :-D | 13:43 |
| Helle | Pawky: I never said it can't be done | 13:43 |
| Helle | I just said Jolla won't do it | 13:43 |
| Helle | it makes NO financial sense for them | 13:44 |
| Pawky | I never said Jolla should do it.. or do it all.. but we all need to help each other.. like a community does | 13:44 |
| Helle | you actually said Jolla should do it | 13:44 |
| Helle | you kept saying that even | 13:44 |
| Pawky | Helle: it does actually... the more who use their product, even if its on a 0 balance, the better. | 13:44 |
| Pawky | no, i never said jolla should do it | 13:44 |
| Helle | Pawky: it doesn't it makes them responsible for support, etc | 13:44 |
| Helle | which is a financial risk | 13:45 |
| Pawky | Helle: great.. | 13:45 |
| Pawky | what?.. no | 13:45 |
| Helle | why do you think the Jolla C was not sold as a consumer device | 13:45 |
| Pawky | Helle: that is something one can bypass | 13:45 |
| Pawky | I have never asked for any support ever... well.. i got some here though ;-) | 13:46 |
| Pawky | Helle: It is doable, if we all (Jolla included) at least will believe it could be done, and not only look upon it $ for $. | 13:46 |
| Pawky | The more who use Sailfish, the better. | 13:47 |
| Pawky | There are many services, offered for free simply to enhance a brand. | 13:48 |
| Helle | .... | 13:48 |
| Pawky | If they at least continued to sell that Jolla C I would be a happy man... but due to Jollas..... not to good online webshop, i missed out by refreshing the page. | 13:49 |
| Pawky | (a bit simplified version) | 13:49 |
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| Pawky | One thing I dont seem to be able to do though, seems to get people in the comunity along with the very idea we need new hardware, and we need to do something about it. | 13:51 |
| Helle | Pawky: no, I am in agreeance, but the solution is not to run it through Jolla at the moment | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | intex arent making new aquafishies, otherwise jolla might be able to get jolla c batches along with it | 13:51 |
| Pawky | Helle: We need Jolla along the ride, in one way or another. we need everybody to participate | 13:52 |
| Pawky | then we will succeed | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: i dont think there are enough of us left. | 13:52 |
| Helle | Pawky: in that case the quantities needed are much higher, for them licensing it to third parties is currently much more attractive | 13:52 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: I am afraid you might be right on that one. | 13:52 |
| Helle | and I mean technically, nothing is stopping you from becoming a third party | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | we need 50k people ready to hit the order button, im not sure we have anywhere near that | 13:53 |
| Helle | license SailfishOS, Alien Dalvik and contract a OEM to make the phone | 13:53 |
| Pawky | Helle: well.. i believe at the moment, as the comunity seem to have gotten quite narrow, a zero game sum will be what we might reach for. | 13:53 |
| Helle | possibly contract them to supply an existing phone without guaranteed modifications | 13:53 |
| Pawky | that no one looses to much upon it | 13:53 |
| Helle | Pawky: not saying the third party you setup needs to make a profit | 13:54 |
| Helle | and Jolla might be able to lower licensing costs compared to for-profits | 13:54 |
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| Helle | the only issue is the legal consumer one of selling HW and providing warranties around it | 13:54 |
| Pawky | Helle: Well I am glad you are starting to look upon it from a... might might be possible perspective... | 13:55 |
| Helle | that might mean some profit to cover those risks is needed | 13:55 |
| Helle | Pawky: I always am | 13:55 |
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| Helle | I just get really annoyed by you implying Jolla has to do anything | 13:55 |
| Helle | they have no obligations | 13:55 |
| Pawky | Helle: What needs to be known is what the problems where with the Alien Dalvik license. | 13:55 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: what problems? | 13:56 |
| Helle | Pawky: it's a per device license and the company that licenses it only licenses it for large quantities | 13:56 |
| Pawky | Because the easiest would be to somehow, someway get that license to be transferable somehow. | 13:56 |
| Pawky | Helle: so.. what do they charge per device? | 13:56 |
| Helle | Pawky: they actually roughly have the terms of that default license on their site somewhere | 13:56 |
| Pawky | and whats a large enough quantity | 13:56 |
| Helle | Pawky: that is commercially sensitive information, so not published | 13:56 |
| Pawky | Helle: exactly, hence we need help from Jolla | 13:57 |
| Helle | but from other similar licenses, we are talking 5-10 euro and 5-10k devices | 13:57 |
| Helle | Pawky: but Jolla can't either | 13:57 |
| Helle | you need to negotiate directly with the company that makes Alien Dalvik | 13:57 |
| Helle | or sponsor sfdroid development ofcourse | 13:57 |
| Pawky | Helle: Well, I believe at least someone can do some math, and say.. "hey thats doable... if" | 13:57 |
| Pawky | Helle: I believe the Dalvik might be the quicker cheaper way in this case | 13:58 |
| Pawky | that product exists.. | 13:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | Pawky: i dont think you would be able to license dalvik on its own, you would be asking jolla what it costs to licence sailfish | 13:58 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: you can | 13:59 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: Alien Dalvik is supplied to other companies aswell | 13:59 |
| larstiq | http://www.myriadgroup.com/en/products/device-solutions/mobile-software/alien-dalvik/ | 13:59 |
| Helle | the adaptation of Alien Dalvik to SailfishOS is likely owned by Jolla though, so would need to be done anew | 13:59 |
| r0kk3rz | Helle: sure. but is that a straight drop into sailfishos? | 13:59 |
| Helle | or would need to be licensed from Jolla | 13:59 |
| Helle | r0kk3rz: actually it might be or close to it | 13:59 |
| Pawky | so, out of all who are following in here right now... how many of you would buy a 5-10 euro license to be able to install sailfish and Dalvik on another phone? | 14:00 |
| Helle | the things that are clearly Jolla supplied are basically the config UI | 14:00 |
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| Helle | Pawky: except it wouldn't be that | 14:00 |
| Helle | Pawky: because you need significant quantities to get that price and it is tied to HW | 14:00 |
| Pawky | Imagine being able to buy Sailfish as an app on google play :-) | 14:00 |
| Helle | not the user | 14:00 |
| Pawky | well.. 21k people wanted the tablet | 14:01 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: errrrr. yeah no. | 14:01 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: just as a thought, why not?... then you press install... and your happy :-D | 14:01 |
| mornfall | Helle: the jolla supplied parts are also the wayland/lipstick glue to actually paint stuff | 14:01 |
| Helle | mornfall: ah, I thought the wayland stuff was already in, from poking at it before | 14:02 |
| Helle | Pawky: as said, licensing the software and getting an OEM to build an existing device for you (keep it identical) is likely the "better" solution if you want people to have HW | 14:02 |
| Pawky | well.. the good part is, at least we are starting to talk about how it can be achieved if.... and thats a start | 14:02 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: umm. because thats not how it works | 14:02 |
| mornfall | Pawky: no, this particular conversation is not a start of anything | 14:02 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: it was just a brainstorming idea... not something to be seen in the near future of about.. .a millenium years. | 14:03 |
| Pawky | mornfall: because? | 14:03 |
| Helle | Also note, convincing a Chinese OEM to continue producing a device is much easier then producing one to specification, especially if you are only talking 10-20k devices | 14:03 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky: unless you want to start something tangible, then talk is usually just that, talk | 14:04 |
| abranson | i love the idea of installing something on google play that would violently remove all the android and replace it with Sailfish. | 14:04 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: I am always up for ideas, its the friction that makes it depend... | 14:04 |
| abranson | We could call it Ultron | 14:04 |
| Pawky | I would as well.. | 14:04 |
| r0kk3rz | abranson: sounds like a security nightmare if an app can trash your phone like that | 14:05 |
| Pawky | buy whatever phone... pay 20€ for the Sailfish OS App... voila! | 14:05 |
| Pawky | i would do it in a heart beat. | 14:05 |
| Helle | you might be able to think smaller and get 500-1000 devices outright (single buy, can't supply more afterwards as the OEM might change the design) and just license SailfishOS (they would likely be up for that), and pray that we can license Alien Dalvik or port sfdroid | 14:05 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: you'd probably need some sort of iron man to fix it afterwards | 14:05 |
| Pawky | abranson: wasnt cuanogenmod installable that way? | 14:06 |
| Helle | then you are basically doing what Jolla did for the Jolla C (except there the OEM also planned on releasing it with SailfishOS) | 14:06 |
| Helle | a good option for that is the Fairphone 2 | 14:06 |
| Helle | I am sure Fairphone people would be willing to cooperate on that project | 14:06 |
| Helle | (it's an expensive phone though) | 14:07 |
| Pawky | did the Jolla C have Dalvik? | 14:07 |
| Helle | Pawky: yep and a newer version then on the 1 | 14:07 |
| Pawky | Helle: Why did the fairphone go sour? | 14:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | Pawky: you'd still need a per device adaptation, which someone has to develop | 14:08 |
| Helle | Pawky: lack of perceived market | 14:08 |
| Pawky | I would happily buy one developer phone if possible... i am even listed in 2 countries should they be released ther | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | if it was a case of 'compile and done' we would have a lot more ports | 14:08 |
| mornfall | Pawky: maybe they found out that sfos is made by children in indonesia :p | 14:08 |
| Pawky | r0kk3rz: ok.. wherent you the one questioning this when I mentioned it earlier? | 14:08 |
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| Helle | Pawky: but Fairphone /would/ likely cooperate with supplying a single design phone for a longer period of time, so a third party can combine it with SailfishOS and Alien Dalvik licenses and resell it | 14:09 |
| Pawky | anothe questin would be, how much money would Jolla need.. to make it a break even release.. | 14:09 |
| mornfall | Helle: fairphone is already expensive | 14:09 |
| Helle | Pawky: but having spoken with the Fairphone people before, you won't get a discount from them, their profits are razor thin (although given their fancy office location :P) | 14:09 |
| Helle | so you are reselling a Fairphone 2 for 40-50 euro more | 14:10 |
| Helle | mornfall: exactly | 14:10 |
| Helle | mornfall: but they do believe in long term hardware | 14:10 |
| mornfall | also, I expect that fp is not exactly happy with sfos being closed-source | 14:10 |
| Helle | which is a good thing for a project like this | 14:10 |
| Pawky | Helle: how much would Jolla want if buying the OS and Dalvik for x K fairphones if bying them? | 14:10 |
| Helle | Pawky: that would be commercially sensitive information | 14:10 |
| Pawky | Helle: true.. but its still a question that has an answer somewhere.. | 14:11 |
| Helle | Pawky: yes, but it comes with a NDA | 14:11 |
| Pawky | and if Jolla cares about their community, and people who would buyt the phones crowd funded and needed the Sailfish os, Dalvik included it has to be answered somehow | 14:11 |
| Pawky | Helle: true... but there are ways to answer it, somehow.. | 14:11 |
| Pawky | without breaching the NDA | 14:12 |
| Helle | Pawky: well, the 50 euro is an educated guess | 14:12 |
| Helle | same for the 5-10 euro for the Alien Dalvik | 14:12 |
| Pawky | interesting.. | 14:12 |
| Pawky | so... if i get x fairphones for the european market... then you believe Jolla might be able to sell developer licenses for 50€? | 14:12 |
| mornfall | Pawky: if the x is 10k+ then probably yes | 14:13 |
| Pawky | 5k? | 14:13 |
| Pawky | that was the Dalvik minimum yes? | 14:13 |
| mornfall | nobody knows | 14:13 |
| Helle | mornfall: possibly fewer if the Alien Dalvik is out of the equation | 14:13 |
| Pawky | no we NEED the dalvik | 14:14 |
| mornfall | Pawky: maybe the equation is, fixed amount plus per-device royalty | 14:14 |
| Pawky | whatever makes someone cough up what the amount will be :-) | 14:14 |
| Helle | Pawky: but the way to do this, normally is to spin up a small Ltd without funds to basically hold the plan and people, so you can start signing NDAs to get the buisness case together | 14:14 |
| mornfall | if that fixed amount is 100k€, which is entirely realistic, then 5k devices is a hard sell | 14:14 |
| Helle | and then either continueing it or folding it | 14:14 |
| Helle | mornfall: well, we know it is less if it is considered a development license because of the Jolla C | 14:15 |
| Pawky | :-) | 14:15 |
| Pawky | well it start sounding doable. | 14:15 |
| mornfall | Helle: not quite | 14:15 |
| Pawky | but we need Jolla in on it... or else it will all go bust. | 14:15 |
| mornfall | Helle: it's aquafish hardware, so there's no device-related work for myriad in that | 14:15 |
| Helle | mornfall: I didn't think the aquafish was planned tohave it | 14:16 |
| mornfall | Helle: aquafish comes without alien? woa | 14:16 |
| Helle | Pawky: you'd just be a small, limited profit (or even non-profit if you can spin it) licensee of the platform with a love for the community | 14:16 |
| Helle | mornfall: yeah, it kind of freaked me a little | 14:16 |
| Helle | mornfall: I was actually expecting the Jolla C to lack it aswell, was pleasantly surprised | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: its got dalvik, it even has google play out of the box | 14:17 |
| mornfall | now I am confused :-) | 14:17 |
| Pawky | Helle: exactly... and the more who use Sailfish, the better for Jolla, the users the world... the lot :-) | 14:17 |
| Helle | anyway, the Alien Dalvik is the third step really, because of the option of sfdroid development sponsoring and just various licensing routes | 14:17 |
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| Pawky | Now if we only could get a really adequate estimate what the cost would be from Jolla | 14:18 |
| Helle | first you need to get a quote from Jolla on licensing SailfishOS and from Fairphone (or another producer) on getting hardware, either a limited quantity one-off, or a guaranteed period in which you can have the option to buy the same hardware for a price | 14:18 |
| Pawky | Helle: yes, exactly | 14:18 |
| Helle | both of which will probably take you first forming a company or foundation so you can actually practically deal with them | 14:19 |
| Helle | and deal with the NDAs | 14:19 |
| Pawky | we need to have some sort of guarantee they will all deliver | 14:19 |
| Helle | Pawky: hence Fairphone being a reasonable party, for them to do "a guaranteed period in which you can have the option to buy a certain design in small quantities at a time" is more realistic then for most Chinese OEMs | 14:20 |
| Helle | ofcourse them being European helps aswell, saves you from having to liase with Chinese companies directly | 14:20 |
| Helle | (which adds significant costs) | 14:20 |
| Pawky | Helle: :-) | 14:22 |
| Pawky | To be continued.... of to motorbike home..... in the snow... | 14:22 |
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| Helle | (Regardless, it's going to be an expensive phone sold in limited quantities) | 14:22 |
| Pawky | Helle: the question is.. how expencive? | 14:22 |
| Helle | shockingly | 14:23 |
| Pawky | more than 6-800€ for a Nokia N9? More than an iPhone? or nicely between 2-400€ | 14:23 |
| Helle | 530 euro is the raw Fairphone 2 | 14:24 |
| Helle | and I doubt you can buy it cheaper, so 600 euro for the phone | 14:24 |
| Pawky | I presume fairphone already has all the NDAs in place to put the Sailfish and Dalvik upon their hardware should we crowd source it? | 14:24 |
| Pawky | Thats ok... for a good phone.. | 14:24 |
| Pawky | but why would it be so much more than the price for the Jolla C??? | 14:25 |
| Helle | Pawky: because of the Fairphone 2 being that | 14:25 |
| Nicd- | but fairphone 2 is a mediocre phone | 14:25 |
| Pawky | ok... i am off, cheers :-) | 14:25 |
| Helle | it's a mid-highend phone, with a guarantee of fairness and availibility of spare parts | 14:25 |
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| EyeA | jolla )01!@ | 14:36 |
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| EyeA | )0h | 14:36 |
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| * phlixi_o also thinks there should be either paid app support in jolla store and then selling alien dalvik for example to fairphone users or more hardware... | 15:42 | |
| phlixi_o | ...while i understand that both seems to need to big investments to implement in the current state of jolla | 15:43 |
| phlixi_o | ...unfortunately... | 15:43 |
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| larstiq | phlixi_o: would be nice, yes | 15:45 |
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| phlixi_o | something vompletely differnt... | 15:51 |
| phlixi_o | the tjc update stuff says, have 4 or 5 gigs free if you want to update | 15:51 |
| phlixi_o | the settingsapp says have 1,5gigs free | 15:52 |
| phlixi_o | ...and "stroingly reccomends" moving images to sd card | 15:52 |
| phlixi_o | is there any other reason than free spce btrfs reasons? | 15:52 |
| phlixi_o | i have 5.7goigs free (displayed in settings app) on internal storage | 15:53 |
| phlixi_o | (and i have too much typos today) | 15:53 |
| phlixi_o | ...my camera is scrathed, i dont create generate gis of pics on the jolla anyway^^ | 15:54 |
| mornfall | phlixi_o: no, the only reason is that btrfs sucks | 15:55 |
| phlixi_o | ...my camera is scratched, i dont/wont create generate gigabytes of pics on the jolla anyway^^ | 15:55 |
| mornfall | yeah, the camera is useless on my phone too | 15:55 |
| phlixi_o | makes me more confident to just ignore the advise^^ | 15:55 |
| mornfall | 4-5G free more or less means "don't have any data on the phone" | 15:56 |
| phlixi_o | so with 5.7 displayed free, i have negative space :D | 15:56 |
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| phlixi_o | ...and as usual, update seemed to have had happpened flawlessly | 17:19 |
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