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| AL13N | after the update, one of the "main" apps disappeared from my list... but, i can't remember what it was... | 08:13 |
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| larstiq | AL13N: maps? | 08:14 |
| AL13N | ah yes, that was it | 08:14 |
| AL13N | i guess i use modrana much more | 08:15 |
| AL13N | that i don't quite miss it | 08:15 |
| AL13N | i wonder if it's still installed | 08:15 |
| * AL13N is gonna check | 08:15 | |
| AL13N | i guess it uninstalled | 08:15 |
| AL13N | this probably is in the upgrade log, i should've checked there | 08:16 |
| * AL13N 's thinking i'll leave it uninstalled | 08:19 | |
| AL13N | it's not that useful if you have modrana, estimate routes aren't that great anyway | 08:19 |
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| the_mgt | maps is nice because it connects with contacts | 08:44 |
| the_mgt | but that is about it. HERE on android is sadyly much more useful | 08:45 |
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| abranson | the_mgt: we've been trying to think of ways of exposing that - so other map apps can register as map handlers, and you'd be able to choose which one launched. it's tricky though, especially if you want to include the android actions too | 08:47 |
| r0kk3rz | abranson: exposing it for the many native maps applications would be nice | 08:47 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: it's already possible for web browsers to override url handlers, but some sort of generic system for all that sort of thing is essential in the long run. | 08:49 |
| pp_ | url handlers, now there's a can of worms ;) (ok, they're useful too) | 08:49 |
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| the_mgt | or just add proper navigation with voice to the native Maps app... | 09:35 |
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| Sidde | rosberg quits f1, wth | 14:31 |
| coderus | https://blog.jolla.com/watch/ | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | i hope they release a build for asteroidos devices | 14:33 |
| TMavica | useless | 14:38 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin likes | 14:39 | |
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| TMavica | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ZyPJI4t9/IMG-20161202-WA0020.jpg | 15:02 |
| TMavica | Lol | 15:02 |
| raa700 | wat | 15:20 |
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| coderus | Joona watching his own work | 15:24 |
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| Lieke | are smartwatches still a thing? | 15:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | !seen c_la | 15:51 |
| merbot | r0kk3rz: I have not seen c_la. | 15:51 |
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| rigo | Lieke: the trend starts to move from cheap US/CN watches to some more privacy aware architectures | 16:54 |
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| phlixi_o | rigo: what figures do you have which lets you asume that anyone cares about privacy at all, let alone this beeing a trend? | 17:22 |
| phlixi_o | dont get me wrong, i would love to see this, but all i see is people do not understand at all what this is about and happyly feed google (and similar) as much data as possible | 17:24 |
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| rigo | phlixi_o: a generation issue. There are many polls and news reports | 17:35 |
| rigo | phlixi_o: generation issue means that the people from 25-45 click on all moving things and don't care much as long as "it does what I want" but don't care about "does also other things" | 17:36 |
| rigo | phlixi_o: the kids are much more careful. And the analog grandpas like me are also much more careful | 17:37 |
| rigo | now also enterprises start to be very careful | 17:37 |
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| rigo | Bonjour tigerfoot :) | 17:38 |
| phlixi_o | the kids i know, are just as mindless as their parents. | 17:38 |
| phlixi_o | and if there was a trend towards privacy, what phones are those careful people using? | 17:38 |
| rigo | jolla :) e.g. the Security area director of the IETF .... | 17:39 |
| rigo | and cyanogenmod | 17:39 |
| rigo | and iOS without jailbreak and without cloud services | 17:40 |
| phlixi_o | but the figures, i guess jolla might have sold 100, maybe 200, doesnt matter, even 500k of devices (and i doubt its actually 100k). that what apple sells in a second | 17:40 |
| phlixi_o | wel,, not literally in a second, but maybe a day | 17:40 |
| phlixi_o | and by the way, there are lots of people just the first thing they do is slamming google play services on the jolla. those obviously do not care about privacy | 17:41 |
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| phlixi_o | i have no reliable figures, just guesses, thats why i was asking if you have actual figures | 17:42 |
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| phlixi_o | rigo: according to http://www.everysecond.io/apple apple sells the amount of what jolla sold in its entire existance within a few hours | 17:52 |
| phlixi_o | and thats only apple. samsung etc have even much larger quantities. so relativly speaking jolla is not existing | 17:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah but the size of the market is huge, so does that really matter? | 17:54 |
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| phlixi_o | r0kk3rz: rigo was talking about a trend to privacy, i was hoping that he has some figures to share. since i have a pretty pessimistic view on privacy in the future, which i laid out in the lines above | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i agree, people seem to be using the whole 'but im a good person with nothing to hide' argument | 17:59 |
| tigerfoot | he salut rigo ;-) | 17:59 |
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| rigo | phlixi_o: unfortunately, I have no time right now to dig into all my polls. I have to run. But some tech article reported that silicon valley is massively losing to EU services. I should find the URI for next time | 18:04 |
| phlixi_o | my impression is 99% dont use any arguments at all, they done care and or dont understand and or are not aware at all. things just happen magically | 18:04 |
| rigo | so jolla has a chance if it doesn't want to be a better android, but to cater to some other customer class | 18:05 |
| phlixi_o | ill google that, thanks rigo | 18:05 |
| rigo | :) | 18:05 |
| rigo | why don't you qwant it? | 18:05 |
| rigo | -> qwant.com my preferred french search engine | 18:05 |
| phlixi_o | thats what i am preaching all the time, more focus on privacy, thats a qsp... but instead of owncloud integration it is dropbox and onedrive... | 18:05 |
| phlixi_o | usp* | 18:06 |
| rigo | yep, and that is recipe for disaster | 18:06 |
| rigo | they are catering to the wrong crowd | 18:06 |
| rigo | only because of some loudspeakers | 18:06 |
| phlixi_o | there a surely proper motivations, maybe their surveys show jolla customers want dropbox not ownvloud | 18:06 |
| rigo | btw, r0kk3rz, my suggestion will be finished after the WE and will be submitted to jolla | 18:07 |
| rigo | if you drop me email, I email you the PDF | 18:07 |
| * rigo is using latex and looking up every other command | 18:08 | |
| * rigo has to run. A nice WE to all | 18:08 | |
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| phlixi_o | i have to catch a bus as wel... gn8 :-) | 18:08 |
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| mornfall | gneight? | 18:28 |
| mornfall | cd | 18:31 |
| mornfall | sorry wrong window | 18:31 |
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| MMori | if I didn't know better about latex that would have sounded so weird rigo :D | 19:10 |
| leinir | well, latex is difficult to work with... whether or not it's the material or the typesetting system :) | 19:13 |
| MMori | :D that's true | 19:14 |
| leinir | so, you know, keeping a reference handy's good, whichever latex we're talking about :) | 19:15 |
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