| mal- | difficult to say, maybe that just won't work unless that final package is updated and that cannot be done | 00:00 |
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| sobukus | mal-: So … I can of course test if the recording now works over 4 GiB … but the other option really would be to fetch that source package and install a patched plugin package for 1.4.5 | 00:01 |
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| sobukus | mal-: the droid is a closed source component? | 00:01 |
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| sobukus | If there was a feature to set recording for a fixed amount of time, I could test right now. But I gotta sleep, too. | 00:02 |
| mal- | sobukus: not closed source but has closed source dependencies | 00:04 |
| mal- | sobukus: it should be reasonably easy to build the patched package somewhere | 00:05 |
| mal- | at least for me :) | 00:05 |
| mal- | I can do that tomorrow | 00:05 |
| sobukus | mal-: I have no idea. | 00:06 |
| sobukus | Oops. Scratch that. Not that it's not true, but it was in the wrong place. | 00:06 |
| sobukus | mal-: Thanks for your efforts. Good night, though, I presume. | 00:07 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: after installing your camera-settings-plugin, the camera has the shutter button greyed out. | 00:09 |
| sobukus | Well, it's later. I'll resolve that tomorrow. Perhaps it's related to the gstreamer version mismatch. | 00:10 |
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| kimmoli | sobukus: did you make the json file with camres? | 05:50 |
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| larstiq | sobukus: you want gstreamer1.0 rather than gstreamer (in 2.0.4), the 0.10 versions haven't been used for a while but still present. In the next release the rpms will be gone entirely. | 08:12 |
| larstiq | (your device might still have them hanging around, but as far as the rpm repos go) | 08:12 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: I need to generate that file and put it into /etc/camera-settings/camera-resolutions.json, right? | 08:25 |
| sobukus | But I'm confused that my camera button is greyed out even after removing the camera settings and trying to load defaults in the menu. I guess bad things got stored someplace and need to be reset. | 08:26 |
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| * sobukus downloading that SDK … that will need an hour | 08:29 | |
| sobukus | Damn I don't have the time here. | 08:29 |
| sobukus | Can I just install qmake and friends on the phone and build this little camres app? | 08:29 |
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| kimmoli | sobukus: download it from obs too? | 09:10 |
| kimmoli | home kimmoli test2 camres (iirc) | 09:10 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: How do you locate these obs repos? | 09:12 |
| sobukus | I don't have much luck with the build.merproject search. | 09:12 |
| kimmoli | ot2 ... http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/kimmoli:/onyx_test2/sailfishos_latest/ | 09:15 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: use search box on top right, there is another box somewhere which isnt as good | 09:15 |
| larstiq | or `osc se/bse` | 09:16 |
| sobukus | https://build.merproject.org/search/owner?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_text=kimmoli&owner=1&package=0&project=0&commit=Submit+Query&limit=1 ← I get 500 internal server error on that | 09:16 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: I guess one should disable all these extra repos on a system update? | 09:17 |
| sobukus | I see systemd packages in there … | 09:17 |
| kimmoli | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:kimmoli:onyx_test2/camres | 09:19 |
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| kimmoli | direct http://repo.merproject.org/obs//home:/kimmoli:/onyx_test2/sailfishos_latest/armv7hl/camres-0.0.7-10.20.2.jolla.armv7hl.rpm | 09:21 |
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| sobukus | kimmoli: camres error could not find viewfinder … is that bad? | 09:30 |
| kimmoli | hmm... maybe that needs to be rebuilt against newest gstreamer... | 09:31 |
| kimmoli | or your gstreamer is borked now? | 09:31 |
| sobukus | I rolled back to stock gstreamer | 09:31 |
| kimmoli | or did it work before you installed my stuff? | 09:32 |
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| kimmoli | äh pöh. i need to boot my jolla, and check... | 09:32 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: butitseemed to work to be able to restore a proper config for the camera, so that the record button works again. | 09:33 |
| sobukus | Hm, I manage to crash the camera app on stopping recording sometimes, too … | 09:39 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: But thanks. In case the gstreamer stuff cannot be resolved until friday, I can record with 8 Mbps or so. | 09:40 |
| sobukus | Or 720p @ 6 Mbps … is the compressor any good? I wonder if one should use excessive bitrate and later compress with a better codec or target something reasonable to begin with. | 09:42 |
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| kimmoli | 4K with default 12Mbits was poor... thats one reason i made that plugin. | 09:54 |
| Helle | wonder if the SD card can keep up with HuffYUV | 09:55 |
| Helle | or the CPU with FFV1 | 09:55 |
| Helle | heh | 09:55 |
| Helle | although the latter, I expect the phone to turn into a dripping hunk of plastic from | 09:56 |
| sobukus | I _guess_ the camera quality is not that good that FFV1 is warranted. | 09:57 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: 12 mbits is rather high for 1080 (1088?) p, though. | 09:58 |
| sobukus | Well, not higher than Bluray. | 09:58 |
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| mal- | sobukus: do you get early access updates for your device? the new update was published today, it has updated gstreamer | 10:27 |
| till | tog | 10:28 |
| till | damn, wrong window :) | 10:28 |
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| Nicd- | https://together.jolla.com/question/150237/release-notes-205haapajoki/ | 10:31 |
| till | that's were I wanted to go, but my mouse didn't notice the click in firefox :) | 10:31 |
| r0kk3rz | yaay update | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | yaay our cows are now clean Dirty COW LPE CVE-2016-5195 (kernel) | 10:36 |
| coderus | UPDATE! | 10:47 |
| mornfall | not here yet | 10:47 |
| Tofe | It does seem like it stll has the neverending backup to dropbox issue when upgrading | 10:48 |
| r0kk3rz | sailfish-components-webview-qt5 - nice | 10:51 |
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| mornfall | yup, why have 2 browser engines on a phone when you can have 3 :-) | 10:57 |
| r0kk3rz | we dont yet have qtwebengine :P | 10:58 |
| larstiq | mornfall: preparation for the culling | 10:58 |
| r0kk3rz | so its only 2 | 10:58 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: aren't you forgetting mozilla? | 11:01 |
| r0kk3rz | no? | 11:01 |
| sobukus | mal-: Oh … no I'm not in any early access program. When will the upgrade be there officially? | 11:01 |
| sobukus | I mean, also dirty cow fix would be nice to have … | 11:01 |
| r0kk3rz | i expect the new webview component to be embedlite | 11:01 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: I expect webview to be qtwebview | 11:02 |
| mornfall | otherwise the naming is ... very unfortunate | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | we already had qtwebview | 11:02 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: it's unbelievable... https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-components-webview | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | chrome is called webview on android too though | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:03 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: don't we still have qtwebkit? it's only been deprecated in qt 5.5 | 11:04 |
| mornfall | ok, I am officially losing track of what is what | 11:05 |
| mornfall | qtwebview is a frontend to qtwebkit and/or qtwebengine? or it's a third thing | 11:05 |
| larstiq | and obviously apple has their WebView, it's just a term for technology | 11:05 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, there you go, embedlite qml component, very cool | 11:06 |
| r0kk3rz | sorry perhaps i meant qtwebkit, as you say names are confusing | 11:07 |
| mornfall | larstiq: so there's qtwebview that uses qtwebkit (or qtwebengine in newer qt?) and silica-webview that uses gecko? | 11:08 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: i think qtwebview is a wrapper for platform webviews on android and ios | 11:09 |
| r0kk3rz | anyway, doesnt matter, we still only have 2 engines and with the possibility of only one now | 11:10 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: would that make qtwebview and silica-webview the same, but the latter silicized? | 11:10 |
| r0kk3rz | eh, no idea | 11:10 |
| mornfall | (since presumably, the native webview for sailfish is gecko) | 11:10 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: I don't think the qt-provided web engine can be removed | 11:11 |
| mornfall | so the only way to have 1 would be to use the one from qt | 11:11 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: but you are right, I confused webview for webengine, which I'd have expected to get in eventually | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | too many qtwebthings | 11:14 |
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| larstiq | qtwebkit is unmaintained upstream, it will die | 11:16 |
| mornfall | yeah, but what qt version is currently in sfos? | 11:16 |
| larstiq | mornfall: devel? 5.6ish | 11:16 |
| mal- | sobukus: difficult to say when it will be released to all, can be days or two weeks or anything | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | currently 5.2ish, SoonTM 5.6ish | 11:18 |
| mornfall | oh, there's lts qt now too | 11:20 |
| mornfall | (btw. I noticed that taps registering in sailfish-browser with an offset making a comeback, that's a known issue isn't it?) | 11:23 |
| mornfall | (before the latest update, which didn't show up here yet) | 11:24 |
| mornfall | aaand here it comes | 11:24 |
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| mornfall | well, good to hear sfos is moving again | 11:27 |
| mornfall | (heh, I let it back up and it behaves rather oddly, it seems to want to lock the device into the app, but going to eventview from lockscreen makes homescreen available) | 11:29 |
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| sobukus | mal-: I'll try to get that early access, then. | 12:07 |
| sobukus | Funny. I got karma for posing a question on tjc. Got a congratulation that my question is _interesting_. | 12:10 |
| sobukus | Oh, wait … it's a _famous_ question! | 12:11 |
| mornfall | sobukus: welcome to askbot... | 12:12 |
| mornfall | now you can hoard karma! | 12:13 |
| kimmoli | then dig some old posts, and get a Necromancer badger | 12:14 |
| Tegu | badgerbadgerbadger | 12:15 |
| sobukus | Hm, any help on how the early access should work? I clicked it in my jolla account profile. Should it appear as a normal update after some time? | 12:15 |
| kimmoli | afaik. just check updated from device | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI | 12:17 |
| TMavica | Updated | 12:18 |
| mal- | sobukus: not sure if there is any delay for that to activate | 12:20 |
| mal- | just wait for a while and see it can find an update | 12:20 |
| sobukus | mal-: got it … now I need to get proper network connection … | 12:22 |
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| till | interesting, I'm not able to enter a folder in the launcher on 2.0.5 | 12:39 |
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| Stskeeps | report it | 12:39 |
| till | I will try a reboot first | 12:39 |
| till | solved :) | 12:41 |
| mornfall | oh, did this update nuke maps? | 12:45 |
| coderus | look #sailfishos | 12:46 |
| mal- | mornfall: you can reinstall it from store | 12:46 |
| mornfall | mal-: well, it seems the thing was axed anyway | 12:47 |
| mornfall | let's all hail our new android overlords :p | 12:48 |
| mal- | mornfall: I understood that it should still be there | 12:49 |
| mornfall | I mean in the sense that it will never become a real map app, now that newer sfos devices ship with android here maps by default | 12:51 |
| andrewalker | going back to the qt version discussion, I didn't understand whether 2.0.5 includes 5.6 or not... does it? | 13:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | doesnt appear to | 13:05 |
| sobukus | mornfall: Wait, what … the native client is abandoned in favour of one requiring the Android runtime? | 13:05 |
| sobukus | Not that I use here haps, but this sounds like … well … OK, the positive side: The Android layer becomes more love so that I can play openttd in it without crashing. | 13:06 |
| sobukus | Although, a native port for that should be in order. It should not be that hard … | 13:06 |
| mornfall | sobukus: yeah, I mean, it's just a complete rewrite right? :P | 13:08 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: its an SDL game, so maybe | 13:08 |
| mornfall | oh, for openttd no for here maps | 13:09 |
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| mornfall | who plays openttd on their phone? :-) | 13:09 |
| r0kk3rz | people... i guess | 13:09 |
| r0kk3rz | and some of us have tablets | 13:09 |
| sobukus | mornfall: openttd is great on the train;-) | 13:12 |
| mornfall | sobukus: we hear you like trains... | 13:13 |
| sobukus | It works with the touchpad/laptop mode mouse emulation. But granted, the click events from the touchscreen are sometimes accidental. | 13:13 |
| sobukus | And it being a C/SDL app to begin with, I guess the Adroid port is the weird thing, not a native Sailfish app. | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: compile it, whats the worst than can happen | 13:14 |
| mornfall | blows up your phone | 13:14 |
| mornfall | or worse, the very-limited-edition tablet :) | 13:14 |
| sobukus | Well, I may try porting once I got Virtualbox built for the SDK. | 13:14 |
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| kimmoli | good luck with that... | 13:15 |
| kimmoli | or just for mersdk? | 13:15 |
| sobukus | I'm talking about building vbox for the SDK. I'm on a source-based disro and I need to hack the virtualbox package to build in C++11 mode as our Qt requires that. | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | eehh, that sounds convenient | 13:16 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: the glorious "compile on your pc" mentality :P instead of making hardware adaptations slightly less evil, so you could install lib*-dev on the device itself | 13:18 |
| sobukus | I built small stuff on the device itself already. Terminal stuff. | 13:18 |
| mornfall | or better, install a sfos-sanctioned OS in a VM, so it can install a VM-in-the-VM to cross-compile stuff for ARM | 13:19 |
| mornfall | sobukus: yeah, can be done, but not for "apps" | 13:19 |
| mornfall | well, that can be done too | 13:19 |
| sobukus | Well, as I understood it, there isn't even cross compiling going on as a VM does the build. | 13:19 |
| mornfall | it's just damn inconvenient | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: i dont think vbox likes being in a vm... | 13:19 |
| mornfall | r0kk3rz: maybe not, dunno | 13:19 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: you'd be better off with the platform sdk if you dont want to screw around with vbox | 13:20 |
| mornfall | in theory it could work at least, with the nested page tables and stuff | 13:20 |
| sobukus | OK, so I got eduroam setup (will sailfish be able to give the GUI Roamer does by default some time?) … can download the early access update now. | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: look at the HADK and setting up local repos and scratchbox | 13:20 |
| mornfall | sobukus: there is a compilation VM, yes, but it's x86 set up with an arm cross toolchain | 13:20 |
| mornfall | sobukus: vbox can't do arm | 13:20 |
| sobukus | Oh. | 13:21 |
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| sobukus | And that other SDK uses qemu in a chroot? | 13:21 |
| sobukus | I guess the build is also more convenient on a x86 vm compared to having to run a compiler in emulated ARM. | 13:22 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: it uses scratchbox in chroot | 13:26 |
| sobukus | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Platform_SDK ← plus qemu? | 13:36 |
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| sobukus | a chroot with a container inside that runs a VM | 13:36 |
| sobukus | buildception | 13:36 |
| * sobukus prepares for a long wait for the OS update … WLAN reception is worse than cellular | 13:37 | |
| juiceme | Ah wot? did I understand it correctly or am I hearing things? does the new update delete the native maps application and require you to run something on top of the dalvik thingy if you'd like to have maps?? | 13:38 |
| juiceme | what about the people who don't want to have dalvik? | 13:38 |
| juiceme | .... must be I understood this wrong now? | 13:39 |
| juiceme | .... or what? | 13:40 |
| juiceme | however it says in the changelog that "Native Maps application gets uninstalled during the system update and needs to be reinstalled from store afterwards", so apparently it is still possible to have native maps?? | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | yes, just reinstall from the store | 13:43 |
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| juiceme | good... for a moment I felt mi hart stop dere... | 13:44 |
| temmi_hoo | not that the native here maps is good | 13:48 |
| temmi_hoo | it ceases to track gps position during a phone call and absolutely doesn't understand the concept of route recalculation when the driver decides to not follow the designed route | 13:49 |
| larstiq | juiceme: for tablet and jolla1 sailfish-maps will remain | 14:02 |
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| juiceme | larstiq, thaty's good to know. | 14:40 |
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| larstiq | (well, as long as the license is paid etc etc, but in principle) | 14:41 |
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| Marzanna[m] | Is there any way to get rid of those damn clicking sounds on AquaFish besides reboot? | 15:06 |
| r0kk3rz | the camera click? not to my knowledge | 15:06 |
| Malinux | Marzanna[m]: I have the exact same issue. All I know, there is a workaround. Set camera focus to infinite. https://together.jolla.com/question/137611/jolla-cintex-aqua-fish-occasional-ticking-sound-when-screen-is-off/ | 15:09 |
| Marzanna[m] | I mean random clicks from speaker(?). | 15:09 |
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| Marzanna[m] | I wonder how it is regarding camera settings… | 15:10 |
| sobukus | mal-: I got the update now … tryin to experiment | 15:11 |
| Malinux | It's the same ticking sound as when you tap the screen in camera to focus. However. I always get this ticking sound after I have used the camere. It never present if camera hasen't been used since last reboot | 15:11 |
| Marzanna[m] | But looks like it really muted these clicks | 15:12 |
| Malinux | I have updated to 2.0.4.13. It's still happens | 15:12 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: Too bad the TOHKBD is gone after the update … the settings app is still there, but I don't get any reaction from pulling out the keyboard, also tried reattaching the cover … | 15:12 |
| Marzanna[m] | Malinux, thanks! | 15:13 |
| Malinux | np. Hope it will be fixed in the future | 15:15 |
| sobukus | Camera works so far, but chokes if I turn up the Mbps in the camera settings. 16 Mbps seemed to work … but more makes it freeze after a few seconds. | 15:16 |
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| kimmoli | höh | 15:29 |
| sobukus | kimmoli: Is it supposed to automagically pull the driver from the internet on re-attachment? | 15:31 |
| * sobukus wonders why tohkbd isn't a stock feature of SFOS | 15:31 | |
| kimmoli | yep | 15:31 |
| sobukus | Then maybe I'll have more luck when I'm in reach of any kind of network again. | 15:32 |
| kimmoli | journal etc | 15:33 |
| kimmoli | i haven tested that update yet. my sbj seems to be at office | 15:33 |
| sobukus | journal? | 15:36 |
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| kimmoli | for logs? | 15:39 |
| sobukus | ah | 15:40 |
| sobukus | I didn't know what sentence to interpolate it to. | 15:40 |
| sobukus | Currently the phone is acting as a fixed camera, testing if it can record over 4G. | 15:40 |
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| sobukus | I am hoping that the tohkbd can be settled quickly. | 15:40 |
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| pketo | sobukus: for me the tohkbd seems to work fine on 2.0.5.6 | 16:07 |
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| Sailor11878 | is toh keyboard able for sale nowadays? i remember there were kickstarter backers only earlier | 16:14 |
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| sobukus | Sailor11878: Well, the 3D prints can be ordered via Shapeways . | 16:16 |
| sobukus | But the interior … | 16:16 |
| r0kk3rz | Sailor11878: it was a one off, there are no more | 16:18 |
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| mornfall | Sailor11878: I have two, neither of which quite works... didn't get around sending them back to dirkvl yet | 17:33 |
| Nicd- | Sailor11878: do you want to buy mine? | 17:34 |
| sobukus | Hm, this doesn't sound like you're not very happy with the keyboards … or the Jolla 1. | 17:36 |
| sobukus | Eh … scratch one 'not' | 17:36 |
| Nicd- | who? | 17:36 |
| mornfall | jolla1 is an ok phone if you are willing to suffer android apps | 17:38 |
| mornfall | tohkbd is, I suppose, a bit of a failed experiment | 17:38 |
| mornfall | well the whole toh thing actually | 17:38 |
| Nicd- | the interface was too limited | 17:39 |
| coderus | tohkbd is highly successful experiment | 17:39 |
| Nicd- | yeah tohkbd was not a failure | 17:39 |
| coderus | the other half is just marketing thing to sell jolla 1 | 17:39 |
| r0kk3rz | sobukus: theres no shortage of people willing to criticise around here :) | 17:44 |
| sobukus | I agree that the keyboard works (though of course it has a dedicated DIY look), but the TOH as such from Jolla was a collossal faliure. | 17:51 |
| sobukus | The only function they ever offered was the function that annoys me: Changing my background/audio settings when applying a different TOH. | 17:51 |
| sobukus | Hate that. | 17:51 |
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| Nicd- | I have changed to another semi-modular phone (Moto Z) and I have a battery cover for it, it works very well :) the interface is much better so it supports more use cases | 17:55 |
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| Jope | sobukus, so just rip off the nfc tags from the tohs :-D | 17:57 |
| Jope | I always ran mine without the tag back then precisely because I hated my ambience changing from under me | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | I would have loved the ambience thing if I could have changed the background picture | 17:58 |
| Nicd- | I didn't like any of the pictures tied to the covers | 17:59 |
| Jope | yep, would have been nice to be able to override the ambiences for each toh | 18:00 |
| Jope | I had a firmware like that for demo purposes actually ;-) | 18:00 |
| kimmoli | wouldnt it be possible by editing ambience sql? | 18:01 |
| Jope | mmh | 18:02 |
| Jope | ambienced checks it from the store the first time you plug it in.. | 18:02 |
| Jope | so yeah | 18:02 |
| Jope | you'd have to wrap your custom ambiences into rpms and then point that toh's serial to your package | 18:03 |
| Jope | hh package. | 18:03 |
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| bennypr0fane | Hi, so what's currently the preferred way to make a 128GB sdcard work in the Jolla phone? | 19:37 |
| bennypr0fane | and 2.: where do you look for support for Android apps? I mean the makers of Android apps don't offer support if you run them under Sailfish - Jolla won't support them because they're Android.... | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | bennypr0fane: format to a filesystem of your choice | 19:47 |
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| bennypr0fane | r0kk3rz: is it possible to do that on the Jolla? exFAT won't work, will it? | 19:49 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, its even got a format button on the UI | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure about exfat, you might be able to install something for it | 19:52 |
| phlixi | never had actual problems with my 64gb; back then i was advised to use btrfs. never had problems using the card for, 2(?) years now | 19:54 |
| bennypr0fane | phlixi: afaik, 64GB cards don't need to use exFAT, they still work with regular FAT | 19:55 |
| bennypr0fane | my Jolla doesn't recognize my 128GB card | 19:55 |
| phlixi | i thought 32 is the upper limit for fat | 19:55 |
| phlixi | but not sure about that | 19:55 |
| bennypr0fane | phlixi: I only know for sure 128 must use exfat or a free file system | 19:56 |
| phlixi | actually i am pretty sure that backj then i used btrfs because fat wasnotpossible back then | 19:56 |
| phlixi | puttin gin the card, rebooting and then check settings does not show the card? then its too vomplicated for me... maybe someone else might know how you get it running | 19:57 |
| bennypr0fane | r0kk3rz: so that format used in the sailfish GUI is btrfs, or ext4? | 19:57 |
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| bennypr0fane | actually, which app exactly has that format button ? | 19:57 |
| phlixi | setting, => storage? (wild guess) | 19:58 |
| bennypr0fane | and issue no 3: what do you guys do about the wild auto-killing of apps? here: https://together.jolla.com/question/137198/lowmemorykiller-vs-oom-killer/ it is suggested that using oom killer instead of lowmemorykiller should help. Older threads on TMO seem to suggest that oom was used in earlier versions of SfOS - lowmemorykiller introduced maybe for 2.0??? | 20:00 |
| phlixi | just checked, settings app, go to "storage", then tap the sd card, and pulley option "format" | 20:00 |
| phlixi | btw nowadays, there is a filebrowser hidden under settings => storage | 20:01 |
| r0kk3rz | bennypr0fane: i have no idea what filesystem, ive never actually done it | 20:03 |
| r0kk3rz | at a guess id say ext4 | 20:03 |
| bennypr0fane | phlixi: thanks, will try that! | 20:06 |
| bennypr0fane | do you guys also have problems with the OS always killing apps off? I really feel we don't have actual multitasking anymore... | 20:06 |
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| phlixi | this is no new complain, it comes up every now and then. i personally have no such problems. very very rarely some app gets killed. I assume those with such problems have a lot more apps open then i do | 20:07 |
| attah | bennypr0fane: only with a few heavy-ish android apps and browsing some webpage that is poorly made (javascript, humongous pictures, ...) | 20:08 |
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| attah | ...and if i haven't rebooted in a few weeks it gets worse | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | the moar ramz of the jolla c is a godsend | 20:09 |
| phlixi | ^^ | 20:09 |
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