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| taaem | the jolla c gets detected as Intex Aqua Fish by the Sailfish IDE interesting :P | 08:59 |
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| Nicd- | well it is the Aqua Fish, just reskinned | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | according to current knowledge | 09:21 |
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| HtheB | Does anyone knows how to get some Android apps to work on Jolla C? | 12:25 |
| HtheB | Some apps somehow do not work on the Jolla C... (While it should work) | 12:25 |
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| HtheB | no one? | 12:35 |
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| pp | let me guess, pokemon! | 12:38 |
| pp | logcat is usually helpful, btw | 12:38 |
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| HtheB | pp: no, not at all | 12:45 |
| HtheB | It's the apps that worked on Jolla 1, but not on Jolla C | 12:45 |
| HtheB | They cant be installed through the Play Store (Says it's not compatible with my phone) neither can I install the apk file | 12:47 |
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| gan | Hi everyone | 12:47 |
| HtheB | it ends up with "cannot install" | 12:47 |
| gan | few days ago i posted a link from ebay india listing intex aqua fish..... | 12:48 |
| gan | its real finally | 12:48 |
| gan | confirmed by jolla and intex | 12:48 |
| Yaniel | jolla confirmed it too? | 12:58 |
| HtheB | Yaniel: yes https://together.jolla.com/question/138360/official-announcement-intex-aqua-fish-now-available-to-purchase-through-ebay-india/ | 12:58 |
| HtheB | Now if only my problem was solved :( | 12:59 |
| r0kk3rz | woo fire sale | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | heheh r0kk3rz | 13:00 |
| HtheB | help.. | 13:00 |
| * HtheB is drowning | 13:00 | |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: it's the only reason i can think of, for the phones to be released on ebay with zero fanfare | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | 141 sold with no marketing, not bad | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:02 |
| HtheB | lol | 13:03 |
| HtheB | mouth to mouth is the best marketing | 13:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | *word of mouth, mouth to mouth is something else... | 13:05 |
| Nicd- | but 141 is nothing | 13:05 |
| HtheB | r0kk3rz: translated Dutch into English | 13:06 |
| HtheB | a bit too literally | 13:06 |
| HtheB | but yeah, it's word of mouth indeed | 13:06 |
| urs | isn't 141 approximately the number of jolla tablets that actually shipped? :) | 13:06 |
| HtheB | illuminati confirmed! | 13:07 |
| HtheB | Half Life 3 confirmed! | 13:07 |
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| Nicd- | the first one was more believable, HtheB | 13:07 |
| HtheB | =( | 13:07 |
| HtheB | anyone here got the Jolla C? | 13:08 |
| HtheB | can anyone try to install (with a workaround?) Flitsmeister | 13:08 |
| HtheB | ................ | 13:18 |
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| raa700 | i believe you can fake your android device in play store | 13:19 |
| HtheB | raa700: thats not the problem | 13:20 |
| HtheB | because I cant install the apk either | 13:20 |
| HtheB | it just says that it cant be installed :/ | 13:20 |
| HtheB | And it seems like that I'm not the only one with this problem | 13:21 |
| HtheB | someone else has the same problem | 13:21 |
| speactra | HtheB: it's not compatible with android 4.4. i cannot install it either on jolla c | 13:21 |
| HtheB | speactra: There is actually no reason why it shouldn't be compatible :( | 13:22 |
| HtheB | unless some libs are missing? | 13:22 |
| HtheB | It should work fine on 4.4 | 13:22 |
| speactra | HtheB: have you tried it on 4.4? latest version from play? | 13:23 |
| HtheB | yes, yes | 13:23 |
| r0kk3rz | HtheB: is the version you're trying to install the same version you have on the j1 | 13:23 |
| HtheB | 1 app that isn't compatible, I can understand... but there are many of them :/ | 13:23 |
| HtheB | no | 13:23 |
| HtheB | and yes | 13:23 |
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| HtheB | I've extracted the apk on my J1 | 13:28 |
| HtheB | and installed the latest version using apkmirror | 13:28 |
| HtheB | (because I couldn't install it through the play store) | 13:28 |
| HtheB | both not working | 13:28 |
| M-schmittlauch | do you allow 3rd party apps on your JC? | 13:29 |
| HtheB | Yes | 13:29 |
| HtheB | I do | 13:29 |
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| HtheB | any Jolla employee here that might help me? :( | 13:45 |
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| Stskeeps | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xg-OcuKbM | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | 335) Intex Aqua Fish with Sailfish OS unboxing & first time hands on(ebay) | 14:10 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: without any second thoughts | 14:18 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: lol, this guy is nerdgasming so hard | 14:21 |
| Yaniel | why wouldn't he | 14:22 |
| Jope | isn't that the whole point of unboxing videos :-D | 14:22 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like a nice box | 14:22 |
| tiwake | well sure, but its still funny seeing somebody else do it other than myself | 14:22 |
| tiwake | normally I keep the nerdgasming to myself XD | 14:23 |
| tiwake | oh hey, a serviceable battery | 14:24 |
| Yaniel | would be a shame if they were.. out of stock | 14:24 |
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| tiwake | I'll wait till after I move when I get a new cellphone :3 | 14:25 |
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| tiwake | dual sim card, nice big battery | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: gonna get yourself an aquafish? | 14:26 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: and have a nerdgasm for my very own self | 14:26 |
| r0kk3rz | :D | 14:27 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: I have a nexus 5, dual booting with sailfishOS, but I think something messed up on the install... seems I need to restart it every couple-few days | 14:28 |
| Armadillo | I hope they solve the LTE issues with the C... | 14:29 |
| Sail0r | Armadillo: https://twitter.com/JamesNoori/status/755759996659503108 | 14:29 |
| Armadillo | oh | 14:30 |
| Armadillo | :) | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: :/ i guess thats ports for you | 14:31 |
| mal- | I don't even have a SIM card that supports LTE :) | 14:31 |
| HtheB | Yeah LTE Issues over here as well | 14:32 |
| HtheB | and Android issues :( | 14:32 |
| tiwake | r0kk3rz: its survivable, but enh... I do want a pureblood sailfishOS device | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | tiwake: unforunately those are rare beasts these days | 14:33 |
| tiwake | anyway, time for work... TTFN | 14:33 |
| HtheB | How can I check out the log when installing an Android apk file? | 14:34 |
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| M-schmittlauch | as root: journalctl -f | 14:36 |
| M-schmittlauch | then try to install the apk | 14:36 |
| M-schmittlauch | and look whether there appears something relevant in the logs | 14:37 |
| TMavica | http://www.maxbhi.com/battery-for-intex-aqua-fish.html | 14:38 |
| TMavica | AquaFish battery on sale too | 14:38 |
| Yaniel | heh | 14:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | is this auto generated?? http://www.maxbhi.com/3d-virtual-reality-glasses-headset-for-intex-aqua-fish.html | 14:42 |
| TMavica | wa | 14:43 |
| HtheB | M-schmittlauch: ok, let me try | 14:43 |
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| HtheB | M-schmittlauch: It says: | 14:48 |
| HtheB | QInotifyFileSystemWatcherEngine::addPaths: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory | 14:49 |
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| M-schmittlauch | Ok, that doesn't really look relevant | 14:54 |
| HtheB | there is nothing else shown :( | 14:54 |
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| M-schmittlauch | HtheB: Did you run it as root? That means, did you do a `devel-su` before? | 14:57 |
| M-schmittlauch | HtheB: Anyway, it's just a guess, somebody mentioned another logging tool yesterday, but I can't find it right now | 14:57 |
| HtheB | M-schmittlauch: yeah | 14:59 |
| HtheB | as root | 14:59 |
| M-schmittlauch | HtheB: Then sorry, I currently don't have more ideas | 14:59 |
| HtheB | Stskeeps ^ | 14:59 |
| M-schmittlauch | there's probably a way to invoke installing apks from the shell, but I don't know it | 15:00 |
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| taaem | something with apkd probably | 15:05 |
| HtheB | taaem: Too bad the terminal doesnt understand "something with apkd" :( | 15:06 |
| kimmoli | search tjc | 15:08 |
| M-schmittlauch | HtheB (IRC): https://together.jolla.com/question/80210/android-apps-or-dalvik-logs-where-to-find/ | 15:09 |
| M-schmittlauch | HtheB (IRC): https://together.jolla.com/question/61240/install-of-apk-packages-fails-with-fresh-installed-android-runtime/ | 15:10 |
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| HtheB | M-schmittlauch: the first one is for crashes, mine does not crash, it just tells that it cannot install | 15:14 |
| HtheB | the other one: I've already installed a lot of apps, but just a bunch of them does not :( | 15:14 |
| HtheB | (Thats why Play Store also says that it's incompatible ) | 15:15 |
| M-schmittlauch | Does installing not work since you installed play store? Then you may've fucked up something | 15:16 |
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| HtheB | M-schmittlauch: has nothing to do with the Play Store | 15:21 |
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| HtheB | didn't install before installing Play Store either | 15:21 |
| HtheB | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=fr.smoney.android.izly.REC | 15:21 |
| HtheB | seems like this one does not install either | 15:21 |
| HtheB | but works on Jolla 1 | 15:21 |
| coderus | did you installed it via play store? | 15:27 |
| coderus | what about downloading apk and installing manually? | 15:28 |
| HtheB | coderus: I cant install it using play store, it says incompatible | 15:29 |
| HtheB | I've got the apk files, and when i click on install, it looks like it's installing, but at the end it says: app not installed | 15:30 |
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| abranson | HtheB: did you try following the journal while doing the install? there might be an error in there. | 15:54 |
| HtheB | abranson: yes, and there is only Pebble messages :p | 15:55 |
| abranson | haha | 15:55 |
| HtheB | the only message for apkd was the one I shared :( | 15:55 |
| abranson | it's got a bit spammy of late hasn't it | 15:55 |
| abranson | there's an android system log somewhere. let me see if i can find out where. | 15:55 |
| abranson | have you done this? | 15:57 |
| abranson | chroot /opt/alien/ /system/bin/logcat | 15:57 |
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| HtheB | abranson: let me see | 16:21 |
| HtheB | abranson: Aha! | 16:23 |
| HtheB | missing com.google.android.maps ! | 16:23 |
| HtheB | requires unavailable shared library | 16:23 |
| abranson | cool. i wondered if the four apks from gapps were maybe a bit small. | 16:24 |
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| HtheB | so.. where to get this file from? :D | 16:24 |
| * HtheB is excited | 16:25 | |
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| abranson | install google maps from the store? | 16:27 |
| abranson | or check the gapps package for extra apks that might be relevant | 16:27 |
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| abranson | anyone else have an opinion? i know coderus knows a lot about android internals. | 16:32 |
| HtheB | abranson: got Maps already installed | 16:33 |
| HtheB | so we can strike out that option | 16:33 |
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| HtheB | Im going home now (im at work) | 16:33 |
| HtheB | ill be here asap again | 16:33 |
| HtheB | hope someone knows the solution to this problem :) | 16:33 |
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| abranson | HtheB: if you see this later, I noticed there's a system/framework dir in the gapps package that contains a com.google.android.maps.jar file. Try copying that over to /opt/alien/system/framework | 16:49 |
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| svuorela | hmm... restore backup on jolla c - is that option not implemented ? | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla c, surprisingly nice | 17:09 |
| svuorela | if just I could get like my contacts and messages over ... | 17:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | the back is nice and grippy | 17:15 |
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| coderus | svuorela: nope, check tjc | 17:17 |
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| svuorela | is there manual ways of doing it ? | 17:22 |
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| HtheB | abranson: will do now | 17:27 |
| HtheB | lets see if that will work | 17:27 |
| HtheB | svuorela: I made a backup on my Jolla1, and restored it on my Jolla C without any problems | 17:27 |
| HtheB | (I used the DropBox method) | 17:27 |
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| HtheB | abranson: no luck :( still can't install | 17:38 |
| HtheB | do I need to register that file somewhere? | 17:39 |
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| abranson | HtheB not sure, should look for clues in the gapps package. Did you align the permissions? Might need a 664. | 17:42 |
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| coderus | did you restarted dalvik? | 17:48 |
| HtheB | rebooted phone | 17:50 |
| HtheB | just to be sure | 17:51 |
| HtheB | abranson: I've looked to the other files in the same dir, they have the same permissions | 17:51 |
| HtheB | but let me do a 664 | 17:51 |
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| HtheB | nope :( | 17:58 |
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| HtheB | I see that there is also a .xml file inside /system/etc/permissions | 18:06 |
| * HtheB adds that file inside that dir as well | 18:08 | |
| svuorela | HtheB: I don't do dropbox. | 18:08 |
| HtheB | svuorela: neither do I | 18:08 |
| HtheB | just created one | 18:08 |
| HtheB | then you can remove them again if needed | 18:08 |
| svuorela | but then you have passed over a copy of your data. | 18:09 |
| HtheB | a part of it, yes | 18:09 |
| HtheB | no pics or vids | 18:09 |
| HtheB | abranson, coderus: SUCCES!!! | 18:10 |
| coderus | xml? | 18:10 |
| HtheB | yes | 18:10 |
| coderus | cool | 18:10 |
| HtheB | and probably the other file as well | 18:10 |
| HtheB | didn't removed it | 18:10 |
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| HtheB | coderus: any idea if your Android root works on Jolla C? | 18:26 |
| coderus | HtheB: no | 18:26 |
| coderus | idea | 18:27 |
| HtheB | does it on the Tablet? | 18:27 |
| HtheB | if yes, then it should work on C as well | 18:27 |
| abranson | HtheB: great! Wonder why it worked on the j1... | 18:29 |
| coderus | HtheB: afaik no | 18:29 |
| coderus | i dont have sailfish on my tablet | 18:29 |
| HtheB | thanks coderus | 18:29 |
| HtheB | abranson: I've installed the PlayStore on my J1 as well | 18:29 |
| HtheB | it had all kinds of libs on it | 18:29 |
| HtheB | so probably also the maps one | 18:29 |
| abranson | I was hoping that might help with my weather app that could get location on the j1 but nothing else. but it doesn't seem to help. | 18:31 |
| abranson | Weatherpro | 18:32 |
| HtheB | aaaand yes, many apps suddenly appeared in the Play Store | 18:33 |
| HtheB | after applying this fix | 18:33 |
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| phlixi | http://www.amazon.in/dp/B01IHFLXB4 | 18:54 |
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| Armadillo | I really like the small changes in the new Sailfish version on the JollaC | 19:10 |
| Yaniel | like? | 19:11 |
| Armadillo | e.g. the reboot option and fm radio | 19:12 |
| Yaniel | ah | 19:13 |
| M-schmittlauch | Is the new "show last open app after unlocking" configurable? | 19:13 |
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| Armadillo | I haven#t seen an option for that | 19:15 |
| M-schmittlauch | But I guess it's a sane default | 19:16 |
| Lieke | np: mpd stopped | 19:20 |
| Lieke | \ | 19:20 |
| Lieke | sorry | 19:20 |
| Yaniel | haven't heard that one before | 19:20 |
| Lieke | shouldn't clean the keyboard while the chat is open :) | 19:20 |
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| HtheB | Armadillo: Reboot option is not Jolla C, it's just Sailfish OS update | 19:30 |
| HtheB | it's on Jolla 1 aswell | 19:30 |
| Armadillo | HtheB I never said that it's JollaC only | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | ambiances have actions now, cool | 20:52 |
| MoritzJT | they had a while ago, didnt they? | 20:55 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe, sometimes i dont notice everything right away when they change it | 20:55 |
| MoritzJT | ;) I still prefer Situations and wish it had Ambiance as trigger | 20:57 |
| MoritzJT | anyone with Jolla C? | 20:57 |
| MoritzJT | i deleted su file from /opt/alien/bin | 20:57 |
| MoritzJT | :( | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | good one | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | Why | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | get it out of the recovery snapshot | 20:58 |
| MoritzJT | on Jolla C there is one? | 21:00 |
| MoritzJT | i tampered with su for alien dalvik, i need root but missed the correct dirs | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, lvm snapshot | 21:00 |
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| MoritzJT | should I Google or is it trivial xD | 21:01 |
| Yaniel | Now you can back up your shit and try out the brand new device reset feature | 21:01 |
| MoritzJT | aahem, I don't wat to reset. Just need to get that file from someplace and set cirrect permissions again. orobabky I could uninstall alien dalvik | 21:02 |
| MoritzJT | and reinstall | 21:03 |
| MoritzJT | should fix it, huh? ;) | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | hmm, it seems the lvm tools arent installed by default | 21:03 |
| MoritzJT | do you have the JollaC? | 21:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | yes | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | got it today, is nice | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | havent gappsd it yet though | 21:05 |
| MoritzJT | sweet. using root for alien dalvik? :D | 21:05 |
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| MoritzJT | better live without gapps... they work but meh... | 21:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah its an necessary evil unfortunately | 21:06 |
| r0kk3rz | although my reliance on it is slowly going | 21:07 |
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| MoritzJT | same here. just a few good apps that allow me OWA access for mail | 21:07 |
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| MoritzJT | why won't uninstalling alien dakvik clean all android aops and stuff? | 21:11 |
| MoritzJT | damn -.- | 21:11 |
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| abranson | I took the gapps off my J1 a long time ago because RAM. Quite enjoying having it back again on the C | 21:20 |
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| M-schmittlauch | never had any GApps on my Jolla. I try to use mainly Free Software, which rarely (except Signal) needs GApps | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a gapps freee signal on the jstore | 21:34 |
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| M-schmittlauch | rokk3rz: Yeah, but it's been discontinued because m0xie doesn't want to have 3rd party clients using his server. | 21:38 |
| MoritzJT | But it still works? | 21:39 |
| MoritzJT | For me that is .. | 21:39 |
| M-schmittlauch | MoritzJT: Yes, but it will die sooner or later. It even has a built-in time triggered countdown/ kill switch | 21:41 |
| MoritzJT | :( Bye bye textsecure. No thanks. Back to encrypted sms | 21:42 |
| MoritzJT | as if I could pull that off :( | 21:42 |
| Lieke | https://github.com/aebruno/whisperfish | 21:42 |
| MoritzJT | damn root issue. Anyone got lucky rooting alien dalvik on Jolla C? | 21:42 |
| MoritzJT | whisperfish had my hooes high | 21:42 |
| MoritzJT | but if the backend locks us out ... | 21:43 |
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| M-schmittlauch | Currently m0xie doesn't do anything to lock clients out, so as long as whisperfish is small and unnoticed things should be fine. But as soon as it causes trouble, m0xies rage may be furious | 21:44 |
| r0kk3rz | i can mostly see his point, its a lot easier to change stuff if you dont have to play nicely with others | 21:46 |
| r0kk3rz | and one major reason why the existing open standard things havent changed since 1995 | 21:46 |
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| abranson | That's why you have to design them properly in the first place. It's just an excuse for lazy design. | 21:55 |
| M-schmittlauch | Well, partly: Requirements change, see XMPP and mobile connectivity. The important thing is to engineer a good transition path from the beginning on | 21:56 |
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| phlixi | i think its a cover up | 22:54 |
| phlixi | hey, its open source and stuff, but in the end he is trying to make a platform, that is not open at all | 22:54 |
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| phlixi | of course there are good arguments for that, no doubt; but its not as open as moxie claims | 22:55 |
| phlixi | or make it look like | 22:55 |
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| Lieke | yeah, maybe it's best to just use the irc client to use my bitlbee at home so i can use xmpp with otr | 23:10 |
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| abranson | not very convinced with holding up xmpp as an example of a distributed standard that went sclerotic. | 23:14 |
| abranson | google killed xmpp with the old adopt, embrace, extinguish | 23:15 |
| abranson | xmpp could have moved along if it had strong clients. the servers support loads of stuff. | 23:15 |
| abranson | but the clients sort of died because everyone used gtalk. any extension google didn't use was pointless. | 23:16 |
| M-schmittlauch | let's see whether XMPP will have a new dawn thanks to OMEMO and all the mobile-readyness stuff | 23:16 |
| abranson | it could, but it's still lacking a decent client | 23:16 |
| M-schmittlauch | I'm writing this through a matrix.org <-> IRC bridge, so there are clearly some interesting projects out there | 23:17 |
| M-schmittlauch | Nevertheless there's still the question why "normal" people should adopt it | 23:18 |
| M-schmittlauch | Conversations is a great client. But the native XMPP support on SailfishOS is a bad joke. | 23:18 |
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| abranson | not tried conversations, but would like to. | 23:19 |
| the_mgt | people wont adopt. people use whatever hip app is en vogue right now | 23:19 |
| M-schmittlauch | Since day one it's not possible to add new contacts or confirm their requests. It's the first TJC question I posted | 23:19 |
| abranson | a decent client is all people care about. protocols are irrelevant. | 23:19 |
| the_mgt | I have two clients that use openfire and spark at the office | 23:19 |
| abranson | though i think people would attracted by the idea of not needing countless apps to chat to people | 23:19 |
| abranson | i have an ejabberd server. that's very slick and has lots of extensions. | 23:19 |
| M-schmittlauch | abranson: The Conversations main developer has put the client into Jolla Store | 23:19 |
| the_mgt | openfire is nice, but spark is so fugly, i would not want to use it for anything in my free time | 23:20 |
| M-schmittlauch | I run a prosody with many alpha or beta state extensions for cool mobile features | 23:20 |
| abranson | M-schmittlauch: thx, i'll try it. my xmpp contact list is so empty these days though | 23:20 |
| M-schmittlauch | abranson: You may want to run this against your server: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/ComplianceTester | 23:21 |
| abranson | i thought ejabberd was quite well featured | 23:21 |
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| abranson | apparently not ;) | 23:22 |
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| abranson | passed 8/12 on the conversations compliance. though i may need to enable some of that stuff. | 23:23 |
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| M-schmittlauch | abranson: well, their recommended server conversations.im also runs ejabberd, but probably with some addons/ patches | 23:24 |
| abranson | yeah i think it has a plugin mechanism | 23:24 |
| M-schmittlauch | abranson: The one with push you can safely ignore as it needs GCM | 23:24 |
| abranson | i thought it had the 313 message archive management though | 23:24 |
| abranson | that's important for that message sync between clients that makes telegram so nice | 23:25 |
| abranson | has anyone tried copying their wifi networks between jolla phones yet? i've had some fun with that just now. | 23:25 |
| M-schmittlauch | just copy /var/lib/connman ? | 23:27 |
| M-schmittlauch | but haven't tried that yet | 23:28 |
| abranson | yes, except the network identifier used for the names of the dirs and the headers of the settings files is wifi_<local mac>_<ssid-code> | 23:29 |
| abranson | so i had to get my sed out ;) | 23:29 |
| abranson | i should write it up | 23:29 |
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