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| Nicd- | baffer: btrfs is horrible on the phone :D | 05:36 |
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| tbr | it would be better with an up to date kernel... | 05:41 |
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| pp_ | hehe, I still use telnet all the time (not to port 23 tho) | 06:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | telnet is still good for probing smtp servers | 07:33 |
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| arvut | what do I have to do to re-enable dev-tools? system is unable to find them in store now when I've disabled them, or can I only have them installed on one device at the time with my account? (as in needing a separate account for the 2nd device) | 08:34 |
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| loic_m | Do you know if jolla phone has Bluetooth Low Energy? | 09:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | loic_m: yes and no. Hardware is there, Software is not | 09:05 |
| loic_m | huhu | 09:05 |
| loic_m | weird :) | 09:05 |
| loic_m | so I don't need to buy a health tracker as it won't be able to connect to my phone | 09:06 |
| loic_m | save money with Jolla ;) | 09:06 |
| r0kk3rz | not without rolling your own BLE stack, and probably app to go along with it no | 09:07 |
| loic_m | I wanted to buy a Withing product (they make nice health tracker) and their app is available in Aptoide | 09:09 |
| loic_m | but without BLE stack on the phone, it won't work | 09:09 |
| r0kk3rz | Android doesnt get bluetooth at all, let alone BLE :) | 09:09 |
| loic_m | Android support within SailfishOS you mean? | 09:11 |
| r0kk3rz | correct | 09:11 |
| loic_m | ok | 09:11 |
| loic_m | this could be a useful feature btw | 09:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | im sure, if you can figure out how to make it work then im sure there will be people interested to know how | 09:14 |
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| loic_m | sure | 09:15 |
| loic_m | I just don't know a single thing about all that :) | 09:15 |
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| flux | ooh, jolla must have noticed how I've been looking at S7 (re. update) | 10:37 |
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| entil | I had a dream the other night of buying the fp2 and getting android support going on it | 10:47 |
| phlixi_o | :D | 10:50 |
| phlixi_o | let me know once your dream comes true | 10:50 |
| phlixi_o | ^^ | 10:50 |
| phlixi_o | so i tried to hear a video during a train ride and with the built in media player thats only suboptimal... | 10:50 |
| phlixi_o | i wonder if someone wants to recommend a player to me, which is better for lectures/talks, where i a) only want to look at the picture sporadically and want the playback to continue with display off (putting the phone in the pocket) and bonus: b) better controls for longer media files, 1h, or 2h, its cumbersome to scroll 20sec back with the default player... | 10:51 |
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| Yaniel | you could try the ll media player | 11:04 |
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| flux | is there any player that remembers playlist and track position between invocations? | 11:22 |
| flux | preferably even if the shutdown was due to oom.. | 11:22 |
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| phlixi_o | flux for podcasts i use gpodder, wich kind of does this, however that does not fit well if its not an actuall podcast (or in this sense something you can subscribe via rss or similar) | 11:39 |
| phlixi_o | thats why i am looking for the other stuff which is not a podcast, but also long running media | 11:40 |
| flux | phlixi_o, yeah, I was thinking local files | 11:40 |
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| flux | I have these two-hour dj mixes and it's a chore to add+seek (also remember the position) on startup/after oom | 11:41 |
| flux | ..in fact I think it would be great if the builtin media player worked exactly like that, but I guess we won't have that :) | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | back in the maemo times i would have thought, well, flux check out panucci | 11:42 |
| phlixi_o | but i dont know if its available for sailfish, i guess its dead | 11:42 |
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| phlixi_o | i dont think the stock media player will get significant changes, there is tons of stuff to do, the stock player can do basic stuff, for "special needs" get a special player :-) | 11:43 |
| flux | I suppose its source code hasn't been opened? | 11:43 |
| phlixi_o | thanks Yaniel found lls video player in warehouse, will check that out :-) | 11:43 |
| phlixi_o | afaik its oos | 11:44 |
| phlixi_o | oss | 11:44 |
| flux | oh, well then in that case it might be amenable to enhancements, no?-o | 11:44 |
| flux | I mean how is it a nice experience that your sound stops and you need to not only start your media player but also find the media etc :) | 11:44 |
| phlixi_o | http://wiki.gpodder.org/wiki/Panucci | 11:44 |
| flux | aah, panucci, right | 11:45 |
| phlixi_o | https://github.com/xerxes2/panucci | 11:45 |
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| flux | so first I should port panucci to sailfish and then add local file support.. :) | 11:46 |
| phlixi_o | i would asume you can skip parts of this | 11:47 |
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| phlixi_o | while looking for lls video player i also stumbled upon "Watch'me" by thebootroo, will check that too, :-) | 11:48 |
| phlixi_o | (last one in the store, havent checked openrepos) | 11:50 |
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| phlixi_o | flux: seems like 2 years ago panucci ran at least in the sailfish emulator already: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?s=609cb2fc86ef63826cb96673786f8c80&t=25584&page=57 | 12:01 |
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| phlixi_o | and it is in open repos... | 12:14 |
| phlixi_o | flux: https://openrepos.net/content/xerxes2/panucci | 12:15 |
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| baffer | had to dig my N95 up, hopefully only temporarily | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | baffer: bricked good and hard then? | 12:41 |
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| baffer | r0kk3rz: well yeah, I can't telnet to the phone and do a factory reset... I read some blog entry yesterday about reinstalling the os via a sd card with sailfish os written on it, I'll try that today... | 13:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | baffer: you cant? thats really broken then | 13:04 |
| baffer | r0kk3rz: yeah :( I was able to telnet yesterday, but after trying the btrfs rescue, not anymore | 13:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | :/ | 13:06 |
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| mornfall | well, if btrfs breaks there is no reset | 13:30 |
| mornfall | it fundamentally relies on btrfs working | 13:30 |
| baffer | I was thinking about trying the fastboot mode describer here: http://reviewjolla.blogspot.fi/2014/10/download-jolla-factory-image-file-for.html | 13:34 |
| baffer | oh wait, I can't to even that since I can't access the shell | 13:37 |
| baffer | rip | 13:37 |
| mornfall | „A: At the moment only the "Device Reset" function works as expected. Using any other fix you risk further damaging your device's software to a state, where even device reset does not work.“ | 13:41 |
| mornfall | from the support page on the recovery menu | 13:41 |
| mornfall | so that'd explain why after btrfs recovery nothing works, I guess | 13:41 |
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| baffer | "Try btrfs recovery if your device is in bootloop" seemed like a safe bet since the device was bootlooping | 13:45 |
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| baffer | but yeah, apparently not | 13:45 |
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| mornfall | anyone managed to reflash the phone to ext4, btw? | 13:49 |
| mornfall | is there an ext4 arm image, even? | 13:49 |
| r0kk3rz | mornfall: not to my knowledge | 13:49 |
| baffer | is there any known issues that would cause the bootloop issue after updating the os? | 13:50 |
| baffer | I had installed some TOHKBD related patches earlier | 13:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | patches can break things | 13:53 |
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| baffer | someone is selling a jolla at 60 euros locally fortunately | 14:06 |
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| till_ | I manged to damage my main partition as well while reinstalling patches | 14:11 |
| till_ | ended up reflashing the main partition (/dev/mmblck0p28) via telnet->shell | 14:12 |
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| Yaniel | http://www.macrumors.com/2016/05/10/apple-patents-ipad-pro-covers/ I hope Jolla has their own patents for TOHs | 17:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: could be considered prior art though, i doubt they patented it | 17:58 |
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| kimmoli | http://stks.freshpatents.com/Jolla-Oy-nm1.php | 18:06 |
| Tegu | toi ekan otsikko on mahdollisimman geneerinen. hyh | 18:08 |
| Tegu | ooops | 18:08 |
| Tegu | wrong language for this channel. I meant the first one is quite generic. yuck | 18:09 |
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| phlixi_ | hmmm, whats the way jolla thought i would get video files on to the tablet? | 18:19 |
| phlixi_ | given that i am right know are limited to a win10 machine | 18:20 |
| phlixi_ | (besides downloading the file via browser...) | 18:20 |
| cehteh | devel mode, rsync | 18:21 |
| phlixi_ | thats why i wrote "whats the way jolla thought i would do this" :D | 18:22 |
| phlixi_ | thus without cheating :-) | 18:22 |
| phlixi_ | but in the end you are right, i will probably enable devmode anyway | 18:22 |
| cehteh | i complained about that too .. no ssh w/o devel mode sux | 18:23 |
| phlixi_ | we argued about that... i think its consistent to bundle :D | 18:24 |
| Ischwitz | I don't really see what bad enabling dev mode could bring | 18:24 |
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| phlixi_ | i just wanted to play the game how can i use the device as a silly user | 18:25 |
| phlixi_ | turns out i did nothing besides using the browser (which is enough for me most of the time) | 18:26 |
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| Ischwitz | I like to play sudoku | 18:26 |
| phlixi_ | i am sure there are myriads of good web implementations | 18:27 |
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| phlixi_ | otherwise i do not see a reason to not implement such thing as a website | 18:27 |
| phlixi_ | ok, not entirely true, but in general^^ | 18:28 |
| Ischwitz | can't tablet connect to win10 with usb? | 18:29 |
| phlixi_ | i generally do not like the "there needs to be an app" for this, where 90% of the time a nice webapp could have been made | 18:29 |
| phlixi_ | ...brought us the closed lockin to g&a ;-( | 18:29 |
| phlixi_ | seems not to work, at least "just plug in and works" does not work^^ | 18:30 |
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| Ischwitz | well I have some troubles getting it work on win7 too. Sometimes it connects straight away when inserting usb and selecting pc connection but maybe most of the time it sort of holds the connecting until you take the usb out andcan't really connect that way, can you | 18:32 |
| Ischwitz | So I mainly use ssh to transfer files between devices | 18:33 |
| Ischwitz | and dropbox for the moment | 18:34 |
| phlixi_ | ill check win7 later | 18:34 |
| Ischwitz | till I got my owncloud server up | 18:34 |
| Ischwitz | oh and I'm talking about jolla phone | 18:34 |
| phlixi_ | how should this work via owncloud? | 18:34 |
| phlixi_ | ah, ok | 18:34 |
| Ischwitz | I'm not sure if you can transfer other than pics from jolle to owncloud | 18:35 |
| phlixi_ | on the phone are a few more apps available :-) | 18:35 |
| Ischwitz | jolla* | 18:35 |
| Ischwitz | it's intergrated with the latest "stable" version | 18:35 |
| Ischwitz | so I think it should be on the tablet too | 18:35 |
| Ischwitz | though I'm not sure if they have same system updates | 18:36 |
| Ischwitz | since I don't have the tablet | 18:36 |
| phlixi_ | but in the end this would not be a nice solution, since i would prefer to get the files locally without squeezing them through my DSL two times^^ | 18:36 |
| Ischwitz | yes, the usb is one thing that really should work so casual users could transfer files easily | 18:37 |
| phlixi_ | as far as i understand thats only for "auto upload the photos you take", but i could be wrong there, i didnt looked into that in detail | 18:37 |
| Ischwitz | I too don't know of other use | 18:38 |
| phlixi_ | (since on the phone i already use cargo dock to access files and besides that caldav & cardav works nicely with owncloud for me) | 18:38 |
| Ischwitz | and I don't even know how to auto upload. I only know about the menu item in media that uploads them to owncloud or dropbox | 18:38 |
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| phlixi_ | ....cargo dock for file sin my OC.... otherwise usually SSH :-) | 18:39 |
| phlixi_ | ok, then maybe even without the "auto" | 18:39 |
| Ischwitz | that auto upload would be a good feature seeing all the cases of stolen phones where the thief have taken picture of themself and it got uploaded to some cloud | 18:41 |
| phlixi_ | hehe | 18:42 |
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| Milo- | is jolla tablet not able to connect to two wifi networks at the same time? | 19:12 |
| Milo- | can't pair it with my gopro | 19:12 |
| Milo- | or maybe android support just lacks wifi | 19:14 |
| attah | Milo-: Is *anything* able to connect to two wireless networks at once? | 19:17 |
| sakustar | yes | 19:17 |
| Milo- | attah ^ | 19:17 |
| attah | i did quick google.. and i got "no" :S | 19:18 |
| Milo- | but it isn't even able to connect to the gopro even while wlan is disconnect (but enabled) | 19:18 |
| attah | now that's a problem... | 19:18 |
| phlixi_ | so the gopro provides an wlan AP? | 19:19 |
| Milo- | the device has a "pair with app" option | 19:20 |
| Milo- | and the app has "pair with device" | 19:20 |
| Milo- | but the app just reports "we can't find your gopro" | 19:20 |
| phlixi_ | to me that sounds more like bluetooth, but i have no idea :-) | 19:21 |
| Milo- | it does, but it is under "wifi" in camera settings | 19:21 |
| sakustar | does it support ad hoc wifi (tablet) | 19:23 |
| Milo- | no idea | 19:23 |
| TemeV | I think Sailfish doesn't support that, at least with Android apps | 19:29 |
| TemeV | I tried connecting to some camera once and it didn't work either | 19:30 |
| sakustar | gopro uses adhoc, no? :) | 19:30 |
| TemeV | I'd guess so. That kind of devices usually do | 19:30 |
| Milo- | quick googling says no adhoc support in connman, but hw-wise it would work | 19:31 |
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| phlixi_ | usually gadgeds of that type that came acros my eyeballs open an wlan ap, but that didnt include a go pro so far | 20:06 |
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| phlixi_ | also on a first glance this: https://gopro.com/help/articles/Solutions_Troubleshooting/GoPro-App-Camera-Connection-Troubleshooting | 20:09 |
| phlixi_ | indicates to me its bluetooth and wifi but AP | 20:10 |
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| pdanek | TMavica: ? | 20:41 |
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