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| ScatMaster | Hi, guys. My Jolla phone became completely unresponsive today. Is this the right channel to seek some assistance? | 00:28 |
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| chem|st | ScatMaster: yeah but maybe at daytime | 01:32 |
| chem|st | ScatMaster: check if you got free space, real free space as in "btrfs fi sh" does not say id 0 13.75GB used 13.75GB, if that is the case, delete some bigger files and balance > btrfs-balancer | 01:33 |
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| ScatMaster | I can't even get into Terminal. No apps start when I tap them, not even the ones by Jolla. | 03:35 |
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| ICantCook | its because linux is old | 06:17 |
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| phlixi | ICantCook: did you by chance gave something like a "packstation" (german automated parcel terminals) as delivery address? | 06:42 |
| phlixi | i did, and fedex does not deliver to those... that made some complications | 06:43 |
| phlixi | when i ordered the phone, this resulted in fedex calling me and they delivered to my office. but other stuff (iirc an other half), nothing happened and when i contacted jolla a month later they just sent another one (again to the same address, i asume they didnt read my email fully...) | 06:44 |
| phlixi | thus 3 weeks later again i wrote and then it worked... ( i said to deliver at office to jolla then) | 06:45 |
| phlixi | on th eother hand, in times of amazon one week might seem long, but it actually is not THAT long, maybe wait another week or two, then contact jolla | 06:46 |
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| ScatMaster | Is it possible to gain root access via Jolla Recovery's "Shell" option? | 06:51 |
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| jjardon | Hi, does sailfishos have a special mechanism to store status of the phone/apps in case power loss? | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | no hibernation | 11:50 |
| Stskeeps | power loss is catastrophic for most devices | 11:51 |
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| jjardon | yeah, that's why I was wondering if there is some mechanism to periodically store the data. Or any other solution | 11:55 |
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| coderus | i wonder how much power loses btrfs can survive | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | 1 | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| coderus | :D | 12:25 |
| Smar | to my experience, btrfs is really resilient in stuff like that :P | 12:25 |
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| kimmoli | acfail ftw | 12:47 |
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| louisdk | I miss some new interesting stuff SailfishOS/Jolla wise. I'm sad that I can get my hands on a Jolla tablet yet, but I hope to own a SailfishOS tablet someday. | 13:43 |
| ggabriel | can't* ? | 13:44 |
| louisdk | ggabriel, oops typo. Yes I mean can't. | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | :) | 13:45 |
| ggabriel | yeah, I wouldn't be sad with the jolla tablet... | 13:45 |
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| louisdk | ggabriel, I've been tempted to buy one from China, yet again it's not fair to Jolla and have no guarantee for software updates and I'm not able to get it repaired if broken. | 13:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | louisdk: im not sure anyone with a jtab will be able to get repairs | 14:01 |
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| ggabriel | louisdk: nah, wouldn't buy from china. there's too much risk | 14:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | louisdk: how dependant on android are you? | 14:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | im tossing up between a taobao special, and a sony xperia z3 compact tablet | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | the sony is more expensive, but probably nicer | 14:05 |
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| ggabriel | sony=.jp | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | taobao=.cn | 14:05 |
| ggabriel | what do you expect :P | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | well, its a slight compromise in many ways, the screen has less resolution | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | but its still 1080p @ 8" | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | less resolution at higher quality probably | 14:07 |
| ggabriel | although that only your eyes can see | 14:07 |
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| ggabriel | i've got a crappy sony phone but the screen is superior to the iphone's equivalent fwiw | 14:08 |
| ggabriel | that crappy sony phone will hopefully run sfos in 1 month minus 1 day :D | 14:08 |
| r0kk3rz | the device porting process has been smoothed out a lot, and sony seem to be doing the right thing wrt code sources and drivers and such | 14:09 |
| nh1402 | ggabriel: which one | 14:09 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: yeah its hard to compare screens without them both in front of you | 14:10 |
| louisdk | r0kk3rz, ggabriel you're right. It's to risky. I use a few Android apps. That's all. Why? :) | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | although i did take a quick look at the z3 compact tab that locusf has and it seems very nice | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | nh1402: xperia sp1 | 14:10 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: Sony might be announcing new stuff at MWC, so prices should go down of the older stuff | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | louisdk: if you bought something else and wanted to put sailfish on it, you wouldnt get dalvik for android | 14:10 |
| r0kk3rz | thats all | 14:10 |
| ggabriel | good excuse to try sfdroid ;) | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want a sailfishos tablet with android, then basically a taobao jolla tablet is your only option | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | nh1402: there's a port already, but it'll be my first porting experiment | 14:11 |
| nh1402 | whats teh lowest CM base for the SP1?, CM11? | 14:11 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: that was on my mind too, i might be able to help hack on it if i had a ported device | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | nh1402: can't remember | 14:11 |
| locusf | z3c tablet is quite nice | 14:12 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: good point, my jtab refund wont come through until next week anyway | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | nh1402: wiki says cm11 | 14:12 |
| louisdk | r0kk3rz, to my knowlegde they ain't any perfect implementations of SailfishOS on a tablet yet apart from the jtab. | 14:12 |
| locusf | lol | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | louisdk: s/tablet/tablet and a phone/ | 14:12 |
| locusf | p3110 | 14:12 |
| locusf | n7 | 14:12 |
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| locusf | to name but a few | 14:12 |
| r0kk3rz | louisdk: not *yet* but maybe *soon* | 14:13 |
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| locusf | there are full green ports in the ports table | 14:13 |
| locusf | but those devices are not that new | 14:13 |
| nh1402 | ggabriel: you could straight up compile the CM11 sfdroid sources for your device then, no code porting necessary | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | well, a green port isn't a fully functioning one anyway... it means most of the important bits work | 14:13 |
| nh1402 | cherry pick krnlyng's changes | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | nh1402: cool, i'll give that a go too | 14:14 |
| locusf | ggabriel: functional == all hardware features work ? | 14:14 |
| locusf | what more do you need | 14:14 |
| r0kk3rz | its a tablet anyway, if you get a wifi only one theres less to make work | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | like no modems | 14:15 |
| locusf | yeah | 14:15 |
| locusf | which is usually the biggest gripe | 14:15 |
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| nh1402 | once sfdroid get's more stable, shall we add an sfdroid column in the libhybris table | 14:29 |
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| ggabriel | locusf: ok, I don't know what green means here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/porters | 14:30 |
| locusf | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 14:30 |
| locusf | wrong table | 14:30 |
| locusf | there is a legend in the header | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | locusf: fair enough | 14:32 |
| ggabriel | too much info scattered then :P | 14:32 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Anyone else having problems with the touchscreen when the phone is charging? | 15:01 |
| ggabriel | not here in ga or ea | 15:01 |
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| zebbiz_pi | ga? ea? | 15:04 |
| ggabriel | GA=general availability | 15:05 |
| ggabriel | EA=early access | 15:05 |
| zebbiz_pi | ok | 15:05 |
| zebbiz_pi | I've had it since I bought it in october | 15:05 |
| krnlyng | nh1402: no | 15:06 |
| pp_ | run the hardware test stuff? | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | ^ | 15:06 |
| zebbiz_pi | pp_: csd? | 15:08 |
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| pp_ | yep | 15:09 |
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| nh1402 | is there a way to change the jolla screen off animation | 16:45 |
| nh1402 | or to set one for that matter, as it doesn't seem like there is one. | 16:46 |
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| stephg | nh1402: when you say screen off how do you mean? when you lock the device? when you turn it off etc.? | 16:47 |
| stephg | which | 16:47 |
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| EyeA | Jolla )01!@ )0h | 17:07 |
| Hartzi | EyeA: wtf is that | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | EyeA: some of us are wondering exactly what is that | 17:08 |
| EyeA | Jolla | 17:08 |
| EyeA | )01!@ | 17:09 |
| Hartzi | okay, whats this: )0h? | 17:09 |
| EyeA | yoh | 17:09 |
| Hartzi | Jolla yoh | 17:09 |
| EyeA | yes | 17:09 |
| EyeA | indeed | 17:09 |
| Hartzi | is it supposed to mean something? | 17:09 |
| tadzik | Is there any particular reason why you're writing it this way? | 17:10 |
| EyeA | yes | 17:10 |
| EyeA | my tag | 17:10 |
| EyeA | linr | 17:10 |
| EyeA | line | 17:10 |
| Hartzi | do you also spray paint it everywhere when you're walking downtown? ;D | 17:11 |
| EyeA | I wish | 17:11 |
| EyeA | if a anoter EyeA pop in channel and does not say it first you knows who | 17:12 |
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| nh1402 | stephg: lock device | 17:13 |
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| zebbiz_pi | EyeA: But why? | 17:15 |
| zebbiz_pi | We could just do /whois | 17:15 |
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| zebbiz_pi | If you were registered | 17:16 |
| EyeA | I fell the Jolla force buzz I have too share | 17:16 |
| EyeA | feel | 17:16 |
| EyeA | the Jolla force | 17:16 |
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| nh1402 | stephg: I would very much like it if I could set the screen off animation to the electron beam/crt animation of old android phones. I've seen the source code, as soon as I start getting comfortable with C++, I'll port it to C++, but that would be futile if it's not possible to set it as the screen off animation of Sailfish. | 17:33 |
| * M4rtinK still has this animation no his HP TouchPad running CM | 17:34 | |
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| stephg | nh1402 aha | 18:40 |
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| nh1402 | stephg ? | 18:43 |
| stephg | nh1402: just replying to your earlier message (sorry, was dinner and bathtime) | 18:47 |
| nh1402 | stephg: is it possible to change the screen off animation, If I or someone else does manage to port it, can it be uploaded to the Jolla store or on mer/Sailfish itself. | 18:50 |
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| stephg | nh1402 I'm not really the one to answer the question I'm afraid | 21:21 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: that animation is way cool, i had it on my old android | 21:23 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: if you wanted it for sailfish it needs not to be cpp but qml/js | 21:24 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: exactly why I want it on Sailfish | 21:24 |
| stephg | regarding getting it out to jolla the short answer is probably not officially | 21:25 |
| stephg | however there are plenty of patches kicking around | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | im fairly sure when i first put it on i went around showing everyone | 21:26 |
| r0kk3rz | i was a little bit excited | 21:26 |
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| nh1402 | a friend of mine showed it to me, it was great, then Sony removed it in the next update :( | 21:27 |
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| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: stephg: here's the source code for the animation https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_frameworks_base/blob/cm-11.0/services/java/com/android/server/power/ElectronBeam.java , what would be the best way to port it | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | might be able to cook something up in lipstick, not sure how it all works really | 21:30 |
| nh1402 | it seems to use gles | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | the android one does yeah | 21:31 |
| nh1402 | it seems to squash the height and move inwards, brightens to white and while continuing to squash down, until it's a line, and then reduces the width to nothing | 21:35 |
| nh1402 | stephg: but the animation is awesome, why wouldn't Jolla consider it. | 21:37 |
| phlixi | nice, but not new | 21:38 |
| Stskeeps | the reason why it's not happy is that timing to actually suspend/shut off screen can do really nasty shit | 21:38 |
| stephg | nh1402: leaving technical aspects aside, in the past there were (licensing) issues with folks trying to submit patches and also I'd imagine style guide/look and feel | 21:39 |
| nh1402 | but there's an animation to turn the screen on, why not off | 21:42 |
| M4rtinK | also, even though unfortunate, bling sells... | 21:42 |
| M4rtinK | at least to some users | 21:42 |
| stephg | nh1402: by the same token noone is stopping you so hack away! | 21:43 |
| nh1402 | the source code seems to be under the apache license v2 license | 21:43 |
| nh1402 | stephg: But I would like everyone to have it, or at least have the option to turn it on. | 21:45 |
| Yaniel | well a nice looking interface is perceived to perform better :P | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | probably because users get caught on looking at the interface bling and miss the delays | 21:46 |
| M4rtinK | same thing about progress bars :) | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | it they look believable even if totally fake and just masking delays :) | 21:47 |
| r0kk3rz | stephg: it would be nice if we knew an appropriate licence for code we wanted jolla to roll in | 21:52 |
| nh1402 | M4rtinK: in this case it's not even that, it's just a cool way to turn the screen off. | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: +1 | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | that calendar enhancement patch that got totally ignored by Jolla developers was really sad | 21:55 |
| nh1402 | what enhancement patch is this | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | (still pushing OSS'ing, fwiw.) | 21:56 |
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| phlixi | talking about calendar... is there a way to have calender events act like alarms? | 22:04 |
| phlixi | i mean, that the phone plays a sound or vibrates and has an item in the events view... | 22:04 |
| phlixi | ...like an email, or IM, or phone call, etc? | 22:04 |
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| M4rtinK | nh1402: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-November/005219.html | 22:05 |
| M4rtinK | nh1402: and check for follow-up emails from the same author | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | the issue might have been fixed since then or even the patches actually merged, but AFAIK the author never got *any* official reply | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | which I'm afraid is not a good way of handling eager contributors... | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | Stskeeps: good to know! :) | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's not, but then again, we don't actually have a means to accept those code contributions | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | like, legal means | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | um, really ? | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | really - we'd need it to be signed over to be licensed commercially etc | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | BSD/public domain/WTFPL or something is not good enough ? | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | with the suggested OSS scheme a project harmony CLA would be enough | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | I'm sure at least some people would be willing to sing of whatever just to get code in | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | sure, but that needs to happen first | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's either about finding ways to work around how to contribute to stuff that you technically legally don't have a license to edit in the first place, or push OSS'ing | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | second option is the right one of course | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand the clock is ticking | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think anybody likes the way things have gone down before but after this rather tough storm, jolla is also another company | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | and a "good enough" solution might have been running in the meantime | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | I really hope so | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | well, there have been some positive developments for sure | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | like lbts docs effort | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | and generally a bit more information flowing | 22:12 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: sledges pootling is sounding pretty good too | 22:12 |
| r0kk3rz | not useful for me, but for multilinguists its a real way to contribute | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | my only consternation about this is that this is something that should have been done from day one... | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: hindsight is always 50/50 or how is it.. | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | well | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | that's not hindsight ;-) | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | its "see, we have been telling you the whole time!" :) | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps | asteroidOS is probably best example of jolla OSS'ing policy going the way it was originally intended | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | middleware is -hard- | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | anybody can do a good QML UX today | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't mean that it was the right choice for sailfishos and it's community | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | but in wider scope it made sense to push technologies that made life easier to build exciting devices | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: a friend is running the Czech localization effort on Transifex: https://www.transifex.com/jozef-mlich/jolla-cesky/ | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: some of the translators have been already working on MeeGo back then and were really looking forward to "continue" on a familiar platform :) | 22:16 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: what do you mean "the way it was intended"? | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: the way i originally planned it as while we weren't for various reasons to go OSS with the UX | 22:17 |
| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: yeah i think it will work well | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: +able | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: it was meant to spawn innovation on top of the middleware and core, not try and do the same thing over and over again (mobile UX'es) | 22:17 |
| Stskeeps | on new emerging spaces (hdmi sticks, smartwatches, etc) | 22:17 |
| Yaniel | I guess thanks qcom & others | 22:18 |
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| Stskeeps | nah, this was entirely jolla's own doing :) | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK | well, it certainly almost killed Nemo | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: you'll also have to remember that most original jolla employees were nemo, practically | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | especially when all Jolla people basically stopped contributing (I guess due to firefighting) | 22:19 |
| Yaniel | ah | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK | that is the *were* part ;-) | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 22:19 |
| Yaniel | well, Jolla is dying and the market looks bleak :( | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | jolla's by far dead | 22:20 |
| Yaniel | (mine that is) | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, ok, maybe the brand is a bit tainted by now, but sailfishos is very alive | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | with emphasis on 'a bit' | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK | weeel | 22:21 |
| Yaniel | a <s> </s> emphasis I suppose | 22:21 |
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| M4rtinK | also, I had multiple people tell me "Jolla, it is that company that went bakrupt/out of business recently, right ?" recently | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 22:22 |
| Stskeeps | which it never was, despite what some twitter accounts said | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK | I guess one can easily think that if not following news very closely | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 22:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, MWC is coming up, let's see what happens :) | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK | also "the sky is falling!" news is usually louder than the "skyfall suspended for another 11 months" ones | 22:24 |
| mal- | we'll be waiting | 22:24 |
| sledges | ;) | 22:24 |
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| * Stskeeps hopes he doesn't get food poisoning this year | 22:24 | |
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| sledges | what kind of cola was there 2 years ago?:)) | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | the lesson that the only reliable food you can get at MWC is at the mcdonalds across the street. | 22:25 |
| sledges | or ikea swedish meatballz! | 22:25 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, the general "exotic country" rule | 22:26 |
| sledges | was it this one http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/angrybirds/images/d/db/Tropic.cola.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130331155009 ? | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK | sledges: oh, I know that one | 22:27 |
| sledges | more like in-exhibition catering services of unknown origins and preparation culture:) | 22:27 |
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| M4rtinK | sledges: it used to be sold in some Okay convenience stores here in CZ | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: ah.. the expired angry birds cans | 22:27 |
| sledges | yes | 22:27 |
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| Stskeeps | that probably didn't help either, no | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | we had this bright blue lemonades on the Fedora stand on pyconcz: | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | https://twitter.com/freakboy3742/status/665829850536656898 | 22:31 |
| M4rtinK | https://twitter.com/hroncok/status/665985487442739204 | 22:31 |
| sledges | zoink | 22:31 |
| sledges | yes! angry birds can with a right-there evidence :D https://twitter.com/cybette/status/437989967776587776 | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | meh, i miss some of those devices | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:37 |
| sledges | shall i send them back? :D | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | wonder who has the mi2s | 22:37 |
| sledges | i remember jusa_ hacking i9105 pulseaudio on pre-mwc sunday with lbt, and then us sending a new image to harha on the plane :D | 22:39 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | i9305 | 22:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | sledges: its always better if its last minute | 22:46 |
| sledges | ofc:)) | 22:47 |
| sledges | r0kk3rz: if it wasn't for the last minute, nothing would ever get done;) | 22:47 |
| r0kk3rz | so true | 22:47 |
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