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| phlixi | hi there | 09:34 |
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| phlixi | any ideas how many maemo, megoo and sailfish devices have been sold? | 09:34 |
| phlixi | or where such numbers might be found? | 09:35 |
| tbr | I don't think you'll find official numbers for most of this | 09:36 |
| tbr | also you should add harmattan devices to that | 09:36 |
| tbr | MeeGo devices, that I know of are the WeTab and maybe some automotive IVI systems. | 09:38 |
| chem|st | phlixi: N900 there is somewhere info on tmo, N9 made a bang with outselling Lumia so there was some info on the interwebs, sailfish is undisclosed | 09:39 |
| phlixi | well, i counted the n9 not separately | 09:39 |
| tbr | no phone was ever made | 09:39 |
| chem|st | tbr: don't think wetab did sell much... and IVI with meego, nothing really hit the market, did it? | 09:40 |
| phlixi | it is about a debate of whether the string "Maemo" in the default useragent of the default browser on those devices indicates it is a tablet, or (as i think is more correct) is a phone | 09:40 |
| tbr | it very well might have | 09:40 |
| tbr | also volkswagen had some Maemo based IVI at some point, in actually sold vehicles | 09:40 |
| phlixi | i was about to argue, that only the pre n900 maemo devices are actually a bit like tablets, everthing after that should be considered phone | 09:41 |
| tbr | are you asking about phones, because you never specified that? | 09:41 |
| phlixi | i wanted to back that with sources | 09:41 |
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| chem|st | tbr: well now they all get maemo based HERE, from what I know all the development gadgets have been N9, and things you see in the new beta are actually proof of concept stuff I tested on N9 | 09:42 |
| tbr | hehe | 09:42 |
| * tbr remembers car-ui on N9 | 09:42 | |
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| chem|st | the new beta has some more AR content, have that on the N9 in a separate app from betalabs | 09:43 |
| phlixi | does one of you two by chance has a sailfish tablet? | 09:43 |
| phlixi | ...a jolla tablet | 09:43 |
| chem|st | phlixi: yes | 09:43 |
| chem|st | what about it? | 09:44 |
| phlixi | chem|st: do you know the useragent of the devices default browser? | 09:44 |
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| chem|st | phlixi: guess same as phone | 09:44 |
| phlixi | or would you mind visiting a page, where i can grab it? :D | 09:44 |
| phlixi | well, i guess that myself, but i wanna see :) | 09:44 |
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| chem|st | phlixi: dont have it with me | 09:47 |
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| phlixi | ill remember and ask you later again | 09:47 |
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| EYeA | Jolla )01!@ )oh | 13:14 |
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| tbr | as it wasn't mentioned yet: https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-closure/ | 13:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | :/ | 13:38 |
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| SpeedEvil | '1. Ship remaining Tablets to Indiegogo backers: we will ship 540 units as soon as we can starting from February. This was already mentioned in Juhani’s New Year’s greeting. We realize that this is just a small portion and does not help in resolving the overall situation. | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | 2. Refund the remaining Indiegogo contributors: | 13:39 |
| SpeedEvil | Damn shame. | 13:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | 540 tablets was more than I was expecting | 13:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Well, yes. | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i wonder what the legal situation is wrt warranty on crowdfunded devices | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | since they obviously have no spares | 13:40 |
| rigo | I can explain that to you, but it is complex | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | In principle, they'd probably have to refund, I suspect. | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | But ... | 13:41 |
| rigo | mainly, you have to apply legal guarantees and if replacement is impossible, damages apply | 13:41 |
| rigo | or just refund, which is IMHO the cheapest solution | 13:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I checked for the phone, and squaretrade wouldn't cover the phone | 13:41 |
| entil | "The supplier no longer has the needed components and many of them are no longer available. Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done now to change this." makes you wonder wtf china, would the components be available if the tablet got off the ground or if this is just chinese business practices at their finest | 13:42 |
| rigo | entil: this is why I would encourage them to make a tablet for 600€ in a finnish garage. We will all end up not wanting to play that chinese game at some point | 13:43 |
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| SpeedEvil | entil: What it means is if that you go and spec parts for a tablet, you can't hang off for a year, and not order any and expect they will be available. | 13:44 |
| entil | SpeedEvil: that's what I hope, that that's all there is to it | 13:44 |
| tbr | it's enough that one of the more important components got EOLd and the design is dead | 13:46 |
| r0kk3rz | usually when speccing up a device, component lifespan is a major concern | 13:46 |
| tbr | and I do understand that they're not willing to sink more money into it (respin PCB, add drivers for new components, redo testing/certification, etc.) | 13:46 |
| entil | I've heard some crazy stories lately about manufacturing there, like factories secretly using substandard components without telling anyone, even when the hardware is critical | 13:47 |
| entil | it's probably the best move to focus on sailfish | 13:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | anyway, this is looking like a rather expensive excursion for Jolla, having to use their investor funding to refund crowdfuners | 13:48 |
| tbr | tbh, it's better than expected. They expect to pay people back in full, eventually. | 13:48 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: It's complex. | 13:48 |
| r0kk3rz | tbr: agreed, its a good outcome | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: In short - it can be done well - but many companies do it badly. | 13:49 |
| M4rtinK | its quite a shame | 13:49 |
| SpeedEvil | For example - specifying contracts with a chinese factory in english, with an english court venue. These are almost guaranteed to be unenforceable. | 13:49 |
| M4rtinK | given all the work that has been (needlessly?) done for the Tablet support | 13:49 |
| M4rtinK | all that could have been done incrementally once actually needed | 13:49 |
| M4rtinK | also the hardware was quite decent | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | A properly written contract - in chinese - with the appropriate legalities under chinese law that is understood to be probably valid by the factory gets much better results. | 13:50 |
| tbr | well, the OS could be picked up for some other large screen use case, so it's still an asset and not a total write off | 13:50 |
| M4rtinK | well, I guess the x86 adaptation could be a write off | 13:50 |
| M4rtinK | but who knows | 13:50 |
| tbr | it existed for the emulator already | 13:51 |
| tbr | the rest is hw specifics | 13:51 |
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| tbr | and as there will be 600ish devices, it has a purpose | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.chinalawblog.com/2015/03/china-factory-problems-always-your-fault.html - I found interesting. | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | 600 customers almost should be ignored in many ways. | 13:51 |
| M4rtinK | well I think this also buries the plans for running other distros on the Jolla Tablet hardware | 13:51 |
| SpeedEvil | From a strategic POV | 13:51 |
| M4rtinK | I have been supporting like the single remaining guy with a Neo Freerunner for a while | 13:52 |
| M4rtinK | in modRana :) | 13:52 |
| entil | M4rtinK: I've heard taobao ships it with android ;P | 13:52 |
| SpeedEvil | M4rtinK: hah | 13:52 |
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| * SpeedEvil holds up his neo1973. | 13:53 | |
| * SpeedEvil watches the screws fall out. | 13:53 | |
| entil | I still have mine somewhere | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | I wonder how many GTA04 shipped | 13:53 |
| andybranson | @phlixi i have my tablet, give me your url and i'll go there. | 13:53 |
| entil | it would've been great if it hadn't sucked balls | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | of OpenPandoras | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | etc. | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | GTA04 was a last gasp. | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | Alas. | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | but it getting a bit tiring | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: yeah thats the question, do I get a taobao special or port sfos for a cherry trail tablet | 13:53 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: I've argued for a while that the 1973 hardware was quite adequate. | 13:53 |
| entil | I can't even remember which model I have, probably the last one | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | SpeedEvil: there were some pretty serious hardware issues | 13:54 |
| entil | my hardware was the one where you had to solder a new capacitor in place if you wanted phone calls to buzz less | 13:54 |
| andybranson | how many are on taobao now? it does seem strange that they're still there, when jolla have the money to refund half the tablets. | 13:54 |
| M4rtinK | like the shitty Glamo "GPU" | 13:54 |
| laxtlo | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-closure/ | 13:54 |
| entil | someone gave me capacitors but I never could be arsed | 13:54 |
| M4rtinK | not to mention the general horrible slowness | 13:54 |
| M4rtinK | entil: we hosted a rework party back in 2010 :) | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | ^ rant on that topic http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=1879299#p1879299 | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | M4rtinK: 1973 had no GPU | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | (which actually was in most cases a wash with the freerunner which did) | 13:55 |
| entil | M4rtinK: nice, and even nicer that that would be like _five years ago_ | 13:56 |
| entil | but I really liked going through different distros and some of them having cool ideas like powering off and on antennas through the power button and such | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | M4rtinK: On xmas 2007 - when many linux devs did not have a smartphone, a working basic featurephone with X would have sold like hotcakes. | 13:56 |
| entil | and iirc this was slightly before the iPhone hit the markets | 13:56 |
| entil | too bad it couldn't place calls reliably | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: It could. | 13:57 |
| SpeedEvil | entil: it was entirely software issues (mostly other than one cap fix required IIRC) | 13:57 |
| entil | hmm :( | 13:57 |
| entil | istr modem driver issues being there beside the cap fix | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The software issues were mainly around not telling the community what was broken, and was not being worked on, and randomly changing to whole new platforms blowing user stuff away | 13:58 |
| entil | that it was closed source and thus unfixable | 13:58 |
| rigo | and I still believe people are not buying only sailfishOS, they want a phone. This includes hardware | 13:58 |
| EYeA | so that mean no Jolla tablets | 13:58 |
| entil | can't remember volume control at all, only that it was really quiet, but if there was alsa in there that was probably software issues | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | There is now perversely even an effort to make a completely opensource GSM stack on the freerunner - as someone leaked the documentation for the caypso chipset. | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | EYeA: yes. | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | EYeA: unless you ordered very, very early. | 13:59 |
| EYeA | dam dam | 13:59 |
| rigo | because otherwise I can just go and buy some android thing and put something else on it. That remains hacking | 13:59 |
| phlixi_o | thanks andybranson :-) | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Refunds 'soon' | 13:59 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, their communication was horrible | 13:59 |
| entil | I appreciate the apology about communication | 14:00 |
| rigo | or you have some hardware that does not correspond to the software and gives bad experience | 14:00 |
| M4rtinK | and indeed, the OS that never got really stable was a big result of that | 14:00 |
| EYeA | how is jolla Phone doing | 14:00 |
| SpeedEvil | M4rtinK: there were about four major changes. | 14:00 |
| M4rtinK | well looks like people don't really learn | 14:00 |
| rigo | or you have some hardware provider who then learns how to do it and takes the open source and isn't your customer anymore | 14:00 |
| EYeA | will it die also | 14:00 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: thats often the argument | 14:01 |
| rigo | so if jolla wants a business model and make money, they MUST keep a hardware platform to survive | 14:01 |
| M4rtinK | but its bullshit IMHO | 14:01 |
| M4rtinK | who sane would try to do that to Sailfish OS in the current situation ? | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | http://shop.jolla.com/eu_en/checkout/cart/ seems to have it for 199 euro | 14:01 |
| M4rtinK | all the closed parts are just preventing people from helping with the development | 14:01 |
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| rigo | a hardware manufacturerer that does not want to pay licensing fees? | 14:01 |
| SpeedEvil | (the phone) EYeA | 14:02 |
| EYeA | yes | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | however, this is notably aged hardware now. | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: thay already dont need to do that for Android | 14:02 |
| EYeA | Jolla phone | 14:02 |
| SpeedEvil | So sales will presumably at best be affected by that. | 14:02 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: so what are they paying for? | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: you can license the brand, themes, supprot, updates, fixes | 14:02 |
| stephg | PSA: SailfishOS Community Meeting over in #mer-meeting in half an hour | 14:02 |
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| andybranson | if they will license the proprietary stuff on community ports, including dalvik, i would pay for that. | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK | hardware adaptation work | 14:02 |
| M4rtinK | also if you release it under GPLv3 | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | I also would pay a moderate amount for a platform working on a comon tablet | 14:03 |
| rigo | ok, you mean jolla should play a kind of phone redhat | 14:03 |
| SpeedEvil | problem is - ... | 14:03 |
| M4rtinK | they would need to contribute back or get commercial license | 14:03 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: but they have no clue about licensing. Redhat does not only make money from service contracts. No exclusive deal means no money | 14:04 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: um, it does - all the stuff Red Hat makes is fully open source | 14:04 |
| rigo | dream on | 14:04 |
| andybranson | if they had money coming in from that, i'd expect the 'sailfish plus' apps to expand | 14:04 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: Red Hat even open sources stuff from companies it buys BTW | 14:05 |
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| M4rtinK | sure, its the enterprise space which is pretty different from the mobile one | 14:06 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: open sourced perhaps, but they only service you if you take a certain license | 14:06 |
| M4rtinK | but I still think the half-open-half closed nature of Sailfish OS is hurting it much more than it is helping | 14:06 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: ? | 14:07 |
| rigo | I don't want to speculate about the details here, but I put my nose once into it and it was very very fishy, but it makes money | 14:07 |
| M4rtinK | rigo: you get a subscription, which gets soy support, binaries, knowledgebase articles, etc. | 14:07 |
| rigo | which caters to the community. Everybody is happy so why bother | 14:07 |
| andybranson | the perception is worse than the reality. the closed bit is pretty trivial really. | 14:07 |
| M4rtinK | that's it | 14:07 |
| M4rtinK | also: http://fortune.com/2015/09/22/red-hat-hits-2b-in-revenue/ | 14:09 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess it might be working ? :) | 14:09 |
| rigo | You're applying the enterprise model where a database has to be there 24/7 with a mobile phone where you put software on and (look at the android problem) nobody cares anymore | 14:09 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: as I said, this is to run those cloud clusters with special clustering software that may be open source but require a servicing contract per computer | 14:10 |
| rigo | which then easily explains 2B revenue | 14:11 |
| rigo | but jolla has not a contract per phone sold | 14:11 |
| andybranson | some people care. i think that's another reason for paid sailfish ports. if i had an abandoned android phone that i could flash a maintained sailfish image to, that would be another pull. | 14:11 |
| rigo | again, jolla has no clue about licensing business models and service business models | 14:11 |
| rigo | andybranson: yes, nice idea | 14:12 |
| narchi4 | vat | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | andybranson: I think "pay us X and we will support your phone with updates for 2 years" could be a workable proposition for manufacturers | 14:12 |
| M4rtinK | andybranson: something that can easily use in advertising | 14:13 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: android is in trouble because the manufacturers don't care | 14:13 |
| M4rtinK | well at least some people do care | 14:13 |
| rigo | they sell you a phone with an OS and that's it. no service as this is cost | 14:13 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: a lot of people care but do not inject money to pay the devs | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | so at least some manufacturers could cater to that | 14:14 |
| andybranson | subscription based access to the jolla store. annual fee. | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | andybranson: not sure about the store :) | 14:14 |
| rigo | in my experience those who care have their own android update factory or go for cyanogenmod | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | andybranson: a store for free apps only & you need to pay for having access to it ;-) | 14:14 |
| M4rtinK | well, the QA provides some service, but still | 14:15 |
| andybranson | well, i mean the store as a means to deliver alien dalvik, xt9, exchange sync | 14:15 |
| andybranson | the things you don't get with the community ports now | 14:15 |
| M4rtinK | andybranson: yeah, that makes sense | 14:15 |
| andybranson | and i'd expect more to come. audio/video codecs e.g. ac3 | 14:15 |
| rigo | the most compelling business case in my discussions with people so far was: I want a phone that does not cater to google, facebook or apple, but still has sufficient functionality. A plus is that it runs on linux and is open | 14:16 |
| rigo | meaning, I can ssh into it | 14:16 |
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| rigo | ah, M4rtinK and compare the money Apple makes with the money redhat makes | 14:17 |
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| M4rtinK | rigo: but unlike Apple, Red Hat is not a cult :) | 14:22 |
| M4rtinK | that certainly helps with the profits :) | 14:23 |
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| mornfall | err, how do you find out your queue position? :) | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: there's a list in igg | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | somebody in tmo did a spreadsheet | 14:43 |
| ggabriel | happy searching ;) | 14:43 |
| mornfall | ... | 14:44 |
| mornfall | the list is 20k+ entries, loaded in batches of 20 or so | 14:45 |
| ggabriel | I know, somebody in tmo fixed that | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | but if you're anonymous, you are out of luck | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | or you can make your own script to load the whole thing | 14:46 |
| ggabriel | as igg will show your name | 14:47 |
| mornfall | do you have a link to that spreadsheet? t.m.o hates me | 14:47 |
| rigo | M4rtinK: jolla is cult | 14:47 |
| ggabriel | mornfall: sorry but happy searching... | 14:47 |
| rigo | 40% of CCC have one and it is currently spreading in the IETF | 14:47 |
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| mornfall | rigo: you mean among eccentric people with a lot of discretionary spending money :) | 15:06 |
| mornfall | big surprise there :P | 15:07 |
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| rigo | mornfall: like me. They would be an iphone instead | 15:27 |
| rigo | cu | 15:27 |
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| mornfall | iphone and eccentric, sure... | 15:29 |
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| EYeA | Jolla )01!@ )0h | 15:57 |
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| friese | hei guys, anyone on the igg tablet backer list who ordered at about 10:26 on the first day? i made an anonymous contribution, just wondering if i could be one of the lucky ones... | 17:02 |
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| friese | 189$ was the first batch of 1000 i think? well maybe at least a slim chance of getting the tablet then :) | 17:06 |
| pp_ | I was < 500 iirc and already paid vat (but didn't get it) | 17:06 |
| friese | humm okay, didn't pay vat yet... but if i understood todays blog post right, announcements for the remaining tablets are not made yet, right? so the hope's still there | 17:07 |
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| ggabriel | friese: the announcement is clear I think... they'll deliver ~500 tablets and that's it, the remainder of people will get refunds in 2 installments if finance allow | 17:08 |
| friese | yep right, just wondering if i could be one of those 500... | 17:09 |
| friese | well, only time will tell probably :) | 17:09 |
| ggabriel | time eventually tells everything :) | 17:09 |
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| stephg | friese: 10:26 what tz | 17:15 |
| friese | Western Europe / Berlin | 17:15 |
| friese | Or was that Central Europe?? 1 hour away from finnish time i think :) | 17:15 |
| stephg | friese: so what time was the keynote in your locale? 10:00? | 17:16 |
| stephg | I honestly can't remember when I ordered mine but I got in at the beginning | 17:16 |
| friese | keynote idk... got the announcement mail on 10:06 | 17:16 |
| friese | the one from campaigns@jolla.com | 17:16 |
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| friese | well anyway, set my pledge to public and bombarding indiegogo's pledges api with curl now, lets see where it finds me :) | 17:23 |
| friese | okay, that was the theory... first few requets went through, then came the error pages cause apparently curl is browsing the webpage with super-human speed ;) | 17:25 |
| phlixi_o | just checked, i got an email 19.11.2014 11:19 (CET) from igg confirming 199... | 17:29 |
| phlixi_o | ...probably means thats already way to late to get a tablet... | 17:29 |
| phlixi_o | (since its not the 189 batch) | 17:29 |
| phlixi_o | just in case anyone wonders | 17:30 |
| phlixi_o | e.g. friese :-) | 17:30 |
| phlixi_o | gn8 :-) | 17:30 |
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| ggabriel | I wonder how long it'll be to have a sfos tablet, considering that the tablet market is saturated | 17:30 |
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| chem|st | pp_: those 70 that paid vat in Nov are the first of the 540 iirc | 17:34 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: get a gtab2 and sailfish it, it is close to unusable with android though | 17:35 |
| chem|st | locusf: did you do the gsm version of the tab2 or was that someone else? | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: i was thinking of buying a cherry trail tablet to put sfos on | 17:37 |
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| locusf | chem|st: nope | 17:45 |
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| EYeA | Jolla )0!1@ )0h | 18:24 |
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| phlixi | any indication that this: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00X9XD1LK works or doesnt work with the jolla phone? and what about the alarm clock? | 19:03 |
| phlixi | expirience with similar devices also welcome :-) | 19:04 |
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| Helle | phlixi: well, the Bluetooth A2DP part will work | 19:34 |
| phlixi | thanks | 19:34 |
| Helle | No idea if any alarm or similar parts will work, some of them implement that functionality entirely in the speaker | 19:35 |
| phlixi | i was reffering to the alarm of the jolla phone | 19:35 |
| phlixi | (which has not enough power to end my sleep^^) | 19:35 |
| Helle | phlixi: aah, not tried that, but I think the alarm always uses the internal audio routing | 19:36 |
| Helle | although I guess it might be fixable with some minor programming, or a alternative alarm | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | phlixi: one of the reasons why i use an oldschool clock/radio as an alarm | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | gets the adrenalin pumping with a good siren which gets me out of bed | 19:41 |
| phlixi | i am looking for such a device anyway, doesnt matter that much if i can use it as alarm or not | 19:41 |
| SQUelcher | I'm using a newschool "sunrise" radio alarm clock ;) | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: yeah same, you can always TJC a request if it doesnt | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | or ask how you can write an app that does the RTC alarm thing | 19:42 |
| phlixi | i prefer them working on beeing able to copy text from mail and web | 19:42 |
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| just486 | hi! | 22:30 |
| Jettis | hi | 22:31 |
| just486 | is this the place where i can ask general questions about sailfish os, its features and its future? | 22:31 |
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| Jettis | here or #sailfishos | 22:33 |
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| just486 | actually, at this thime i think i have a pretty easy question: I just wanted to have native skype acces on my Jolla phone, so i dag up the internet, and i found a ticket that claimed that this feature ha already been implemented | 22:35 |
| just486 | is that true, will we have skype (text chat) beneath add account options sometime soon? | 22:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | just486: i think theres a thing on openrepos for skype text chat | 22:37 |
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| just486 | yea, I saw that rpm, but there is a ticket on together.jolla.com that has just been closed recently, so maybe we wont need an additional file for it? I saw some reviews of it, saying, that plugin is really a hit and miss. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not | 22:39 |
| r0kk3rz | just486: i think they had skype in their tablet promo pics maybe | 22:41 |
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| just486 | I really want to know that, i use skype much, but I dont prefer the android ecosystem | 22:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | hmm it would seem that the android app is it | 22:45 |
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| chem|st | phlixi: BT audio devices should all work, buttons on them as well, at least play pause and prv next | 22:48 |
| chem|st | I found a tjc with "what noise cancellation headsets work with jolla" - simple answer, noise cancellation is nothing the jolla does, that is built into the headset, BT audio works | 22:49 |
| chem|st | phlixi: and amplitude is not what wakes you up, wave alternation is | 22:50 |
| phlixi | well, i am an hardship case of waking up | 22:52 |
| phlixi | amplitude DOES matter :-) | 22:52 |
| phlixi | but its not everything, thats true :-) | 22:53 |
| phlixi | its mostly getting early enough into bed :) | 22:53 |
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| chem|st | phlixi: hard wave alternation is what interupts your sleep, amplitude is just a tad supportive, lot of people you can slightly increase volume of a single tone below 1khz up to 90dBa nothing happens, cut the power at that point and they wake up | 22:56 |
| chem|st | phlixi: my sister has a rockbox works like a charm with Jolla, incl buttons | 22:56 |
| chem|st | phlixi: want me to test BT alarm routing? | 22:59 |
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| phlixi | i dont mind, i ordered the box anyway :-) | 23:01 |
| phlixi | but i will report if you like :-) | 23:01 |
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| chem|st | do as you like, I'd love to have an option to not route ringtones to BT ripps your guts out getting keira black while listening to some loud music^^ | 23:03 |
| * phlixi usually doesnt listen to loud music at the morning while asleep | 23:07 | |
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| just486 | now i am trying to add some additional keyboards, but i get an empty file when using the commands | 23:19 |
| just486 | anyone? | 23:19 |
| just486 | curl http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=wfyzerpn > lng.qml | 23:20 |
| just486 | produces an empty file in the target directory (/usr/share/maliit/plugins/com/jolla/layouts/) | 23:20 |
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