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| gabriel9 | Jolla in news: https://www.rt.com/usa/329512-linux-security-flaw-millions-risk/ | 08:47 |
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| gabriel9 | :D | 08:47 |
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| Stskeeps | ironically we're not vulnerable on sbj | 08:48 |
| Jope | too old kernel? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:48 |
| gabriel9 | But that picture :) | 08:48 |
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| Nicd- | is that only relevant for mobiles? | 08:49 |
| Nicd- | or for any linux systems? | 08:49 |
| gabriel9 | duno | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | any | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 08:49 |
| gabriel9 | i'm checking my distro forum | 08:49 |
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| Nicd- | no updated kernel yet for arch linux :/ | 08:51 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:12 |
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| rigo | Stskeeps: complement to my email: http://www.cnet.com/news/youd-say-no-to-your-android-phone-if-only-you-could-study-finds/ | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | got it on my reading list atm | 09:17 |
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| Stskeeps | rigo: thanks for the article btw (pdf) it looks really interesting | 09:26 |
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| rigo | Stskeeps: yes, I know Egleman. He was a student of Lorrie Cranor. I did P3P with Lorrie | 09:33 |
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| rigo | the interesting part is what they want to know and what they want to control | 09:33 |
| rigo | note that this is all US. In the EU, people are even more split between the paranoid and the careless | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:34 |
| rigo | less careless here though | 09:34 |
| rigo | I mean less people careless | 09:34 |
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| rigo | interesting also the data categories that need special attention. | 09:36 |
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| rigo | meaning other categories may need less attention. Danger is always to fall into total paranoia thus making the system unusable | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be such a joy to just have a re-think of the whole mobile app space and how we approach them.. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | because sometimes it feels like it's too broke to fix | 09:38 |
| rigo | it is the way it is on purpose. There is a master plan | 09:39 |
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| rigo | this is why I'm looking into the third way | 09:39 |
| rigo | it would be much simpler to go apple/samsung and buy a mobile recharger for the resource hungry systems | 09:40 |
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| rigo | OMG, table 3 ... google location reporting WTF | 09:46 |
| M-Yaniel | where? | 09:47 |
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| rigo | In 66.1% of applications’ location requests, they directly queried the | 09:48 |
| rigo | TelephonyManager , which can be used to determine location via cellular tower information. | 09:48 |
| rigo | https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_comments/2015/09/00013-97595.pdf | 09:48 |
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| chem|st | rigo: I used google maps on my w880 (sony, no internal gps, the sony gps mouse not attached), using google location service navigating a live route of ~70km with a 10m precision even on the autobahn, and that was like 8 years ago | 09:59 |
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| chem|st | I think it was in the terms to just allow the app everything, as it did not bother to ask anything on start | 10:01 |
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| rigo | chem|st: they used the tower triangulation, this is even more precise than gps. The question here is rather the number of requests | 10:54 |
| rigo | because you not only request location. Navteq wants you to send information so they can correspond wifi mac addresses to geo-points. But at least they ask and explain | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | tower triangulation is not more precise than gps | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | at least here in finland the accuracy ranges from about a hundred meters to kilometers | 10:57 |
| rigo | :) ok, if you have one tower every 50km ... | 10:57 |
| rigo | in towns, GPS is less precise because of the reflections on buildings. As there are many towers, triangulation works better there | 10:58 |
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| tbr | actually GPS is more acurate than calculations based on base stations | 10:58 |
| tbr | wifi mac based is probably best where GPS and base station calculations suck due to urban canyons | 11:00 |
| rigo | ok, so be it, this wasn't my main point. My point is that they retrieve location information from the handset and I'm not sure if they correctly asked for permission. | 11:00 |
| tbr | check the terms of service. it should say what they do. | 11:00 |
| Nicd- | my handheld dedicated GPS gets down to 3 meters at best, that's pretty good | 11:01 |
| rigo | there was this famous article on the traces the green politician left in germany all over the place. There are way too many corps trying to get that information without me noticing | 11:02 |
| Nicd- | it's GPS + GLONASS, but afaik in the US it could get closer to 1 meter because of WAAS | 11:02 |
| tbr | Nicd-: EGNOS also provides WAAS in europe, but it's quite low above the horizon in .fi | 11:02 |
| rigo | tbr, checking terms of service for every web-site you visit will consume 270days /year according to a US study | 11:03 |
| tbr | rigo: I can't comment on the current state, but they used to be incredibly privacy focused with their infrastructure | 11:03 |
| rigo | google? | 11:03 |
| rigo | privacy focused? | 11:03 |
| tbr | no, the company which was formerly known as nokia/here/navteq | 11:03 |
| rigo | oh, they are in Finland and mainly controlled by EU data protection law. And they have a known system of aggregation | 11:04 |
| rigo | and they aren't trying to sell you targetted advertising | 11:04 |
| rigo | sell you via tartgeted advertisement | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | tbr: yeah I know, but it doesn't really work here I think, since 3 meters accuracy is the best I can get | 11:05 |
| Nicd- | it's good enough for geocaching :) | 11:06 |
| tbr | something like DGPS would be nice | 11:06 |
| chem|st | I love to proof people wrong on the internets just way to much... | 11:06 |
| SQUelcher | I think the best i've seen was 2m on my handheld gps | 11:06 |
| tbr | ITYM "prove" | 11:06 |
| SQUelcher | on open fields in the uk ;) | 11:07 |
| tbr | I used to draw funny point clouds using a stationary GPS and logging software | 11:07 |
| Pawky | am I assuming correctly the multi SMS bug still exists in the latest release? | 11:07 |
| Nicd- | I didn't see a notice about it being fixed | 11:08 |
| Pawky | :-( | 11:09 |
| Pawky | me neither.. | 11:09 |
| Nicd- | so... try? | 11:09 |
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| till | does the "don't start android support on boot" in 2.0.1.7 work for anyone? | 11:09 |
| chem|st | Pawky: is it in the changelog? | 11:09 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: wouldnt want to send stuff to a lot of people just for testing purposes | 11:09 |
| Pawky | chem|st: not that I know of.. | 11:10 |
| chem|st | till: yes | 11:10 |
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| chem|st | Pawky: why do you ask then? | 11:10 |
| Pawky | chem|st: well... maybe because the bug seems to be well known? | 11:10 |
| till | strange.. my phone still starts android, and here maps (android) can still not see my sdcard | 11:11 |
| Pawky | and in my oppinion should have a bit higher priority compared to a few other fixes that has been released. | 11:11 |
| Pawky | Regarding maps, is there a way to download them for offline use? | 11:11 |
| chem|st | Pawky: I have an alike discussion on tjc with markkyboy and ossi... but there it was actually in the release notes by accident (format uSD in settings) | 11:12 |
| till | Pawky: for android here maps yes | 11:12 |
| Pawky | till: but the official jolla map app also uses HERE maps, so why not that one? | 11:13 |
| chem|st | Pawky: because reasons | 11:13 |
| till | because it sucks :) | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | Pawky: android here maps has better navigation | 11:13 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: has navigation | 11:13 |
| Pawky | Nicd-: yes, but its not a "native" app... | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | jolla just tells you the route but doesn't follow you | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | so not really that useful when drivin | 11:14 |
| Pawky | is there any un official way to get them all downloaded into the phone? :-) | 11:14 |
| chem|st | Pawky: the answer is just no | 11:14 |
| Pawky | In my oppinion that was the N9s strength.. | 11:14 |
| till | it's also the most wanted feature for the jolla | 11:15 |
| Pawky | chem|st: no copy from the android version into the Jolla? :-/ | 11:15 |
| chem|st | it is closed source here crap and jolla did not pay them enough to give us just HERE like we had on N9 | 11:15 |
| Pawky | chem|st: I thought the HERE maps where open source?... | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: oh god, i wish it was that simple | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:15 |
| Pawky | but if its the same database, maybe one could just copy from the N9 or the android app? :-D | 11:16 |
| Pawky | nobody tried this as of yet? | 11:16 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: :P I try to give simple answers today, less truth and more lies for children (I should start writing a book for that matter) | 11:16 |
| Nicd- | is anything about HERE open source? | 11:16 |
| Nicd- | it's not openstreetmap | 11:16 |
| chem|st | Pawky: nobody succeeded as of yet afaik | 11:17 |
| Pawky | chem|st: but people have tried? | 11:17 |
| till | Pawky jolla here map is all online based, i doubt there is a "database" | 11:17 |
| Pawky | till: aaah... | 11:17 |
| Pawky | sad.. :'( | 11:17 |
| chem|st | till: not exactly, but it deletes the db according to where you are iirc | 11:18 |
| chem|st | guess it is somewhat max amount of tiles cached stuff | 11:18 |
| pp | you could mitm it and cache the tiles | 11:18 |
| * pp hides | 11:18 | |
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| Pawky | I believe those online maps are just rubbish... when you really need them abroad they are useless.. | 11:19 |
| till | actually i just opend jolla maps, and it downloaded tiles although i have used it in this area before :) | 11:19 |
| chem|st | pp: yeah setup a mapserver on your phone and reroute map requests to it^^ | 11:19 |
| Pawky | chem|st: being ironic, or is that actually something doable? | 11:20 |
| chem|st | Pawky: android here works well, that is all you get atm, what you might want to look at is modrana | 11:20 |
| till | Pawky if you have access to here servers and data you may try | 11:20 |
| chem|st | till: :D | 11:20 |
| till | but i doubt anyone except here has | 11:20 |
| Pawky | till: well.. i downloaded all files for the N9.. :-) | 11:20 |
| pp | IIRC it's just http://tile.server/xxx/yyy | 11:21 |
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| pp | which something like squid should handle | 11:21 |
| till | but than you have no routing | 11:21 |
| pp | might be they've upgraded to https | 11:21 |
| chem|st | till: he did not ask for routing | 11:21 |
| pp | but yep, I'd just use the android here, it works very well | 11:21 |
| chem|st | Pawky: have a look what sailfish-maps does web wise, replicate and set it up on device, if it is askign the server "what tiles do I need" you are already screwed | 11:22 |
| Pawky | installed modrana, looks promising :-) | 11:23 |
| chem|st | Pawky: there you go... | 11:23 |
| till | maep is/was also quite fast and nice, no routing but tiles caching | 11:23 |
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| Pawky | used that one in the old days :-) | 11:24 |
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| chem|st | I have to admit, even for OSM I use android apps... while I actually do not need a map at all, I just need a kml overlay shown at my current position | 11:24 |
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| Pawky | are all map apps using tiles nowadays?... whats wrong with good old vectors? | 11:28 |
| kjetilho | OSMAND renders itself | 11:29 |
| tadzik | vectors too easy to reuse for your own needs, maybe? | 11:29 |
| kjetilho | good point, tadzik | 11:29 |
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| tadzik | I'm guessing either that or the general trend to move the computations to servers | 11:30 |
| tadzik | google probably realizes how easy it'd be to write an adblock for vector map :P | 11:30 |
| tadzik | I'm not sure if they actually do "promoted places", but if they did | 11:30 |
| tadzik | well, it may be a little far-fetched | 11:31 |
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| M4rtinK | Pawky: let me know if you hit any issues with modRana :) | 11:45 |
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| M4rtinK | on a related note I have offline routing in modRana on Sailfish OS almost working | 11:46 |
| Bysmyyr | M4rtinK: \o/ | 11:46 |
| M4rtinK | now I just need to make it "production ready" | 11:46 |
| stephg | M4rtinK: \o/ | 11:46 |
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| M4rtinK | also need to figure out how to actually distribute it | 11:47 |
| M4rtinK | will be easy for OpenRepos - I'll just add the monav-light package to the repo | 11:47 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: do you have spies here or how did you know Pawky installed modRana? ;) | 11:48 |
| M4rtinK | (it provides the monav-light CLI binary that is used to compute the routes) | 11:48 |
| M4rtinK | not sure what horrible bundling nightmares I would have to do to get it to the Jolla store though | 11:48 |
| M4rtinK | Nicd-: I have another "read only" client joined on the channel | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | I knew it! there is a spy among us! | 11:49 |
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| prometoys | Can somebody explain to me, what causes the "optimsiation-loop" during update to 2.0.1.7? | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: check dmesg | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | and 2$$@@$ btrfs | 11:59 |
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| prometoys | I solved it by deleting old files. And update is running. i just try to understand it. | 11:59 |
| mornfall | btrfs!!!1one the best thing since sliced bread right? | 12:00 |
| mornfall | jolla should offer ext4 reflashes for phones | 12:01 |
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| entil | online migration!!one | 12:02 |
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| mornfall | entil: that only works one way... from ancient (ext4) to modern (btrfs) | 12:05 |
| mornfall | because no one in their right mind would want to migrate from btrfs, amirite? | 12:05 |
| entil | I usually take the part of joe q average (to the best of my ability) when it comes to appliances but unlike joe q average I never filled my partition full enough to have issues | 12:06 |
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| mornfall | well | 12:09 |
| mornfall | you don't even have to really fill it up much | 12:10 |
| mornfall | the fail is in bad free space recycling | 12:10 |
| Nicd- | my first full btrfs was after 3-4 months of use, I was only using about 4-5 GB of space | 12:10 |
| mornfall | so just using it can land you in trouble over time, even if you maintain a bunch of free space | 12:10 |
| mornfall | 'free space' | 12:11 |
| Nicd- | at least I got to visit Jolla offices so it wasn't all bad | 12:11 |
| mornfall | btrfs likes to lie about that, too | 12:11 |
| mornfall | that is one thing that's apparently still not fixed, even though it has seen a lot of development since the (positively ancient) jolla kernel | 12:11 |
| mornfall | née qualcomm kernel | 12:12 |
| Nicd- | should have gone with ZFS ;) | 12:12 |
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| entil | guess sailfish (sailfish's btrfs support) doesn't benefit from an ancient kernel | 12:20 |
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| M4rtinK | even the most up-to-date btrfs code is still having major issues | 12:23 |
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| M4rtinK | IMHO LVM + ext4/xfs is the best one can get on Linux these days | 12:23 |
| M4rtinK | The Tablet has LVM + ext4 BTW | 12:24 |
| stephg | M4rtinK: nah zfs all the way, on a computer at least | 12:24 |
| mornfall | stephg: you mean the rampant layering violation? :P | 12:24 |
| stephg | mornfall zactly | 12:24 |
| M4rtinK | stephg: don't have any firsthand experience with ZFS | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | zfs is awesome | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:24 |
| prometoys | is the btrfs balance operation now safe? | 12:24 |
| stephg | M4rtinK: what Stskeeps said :) | 12:24 |
| mornfall | yeah, especially the amount of ram it wants reserved | 12:25 |
| M4rtinK | stephg: but I have heard about it not really scaling down gracefully for smaller devices & PCs | 12:25 |
| mornfall | setting aside 2G of RAM on a 1G phone sounds like a deal | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | mornfall: i'm not insane enough to put it on a mobile device though :) | 12:25 |
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| stephg | M4rtinK mornfall yeah the 'old' received wisdom was 1G per TB storage | 12:25 |
| stephg | you can run it with less tho | 12:25 |
| mornfall | well, neither is btrfs, clearly | 12:25 |
| mornfall | stephg: yes, but the real problem is that it has its own memory subsystem that is duct-taped into the host kernel | 12:26 |
| mornfall | on both freebsd and linux at least | 12:26 |
| mornfall | it's probably fine and dandy on solaris | 12:26 |
| M4rtinK | + that incompatible license | 12:26 |
| stephg | M4rtinK: it's going to be in Ubuntu 1604 btw | 12:26 |
| stephg | no more needing a 3rdparty repo | 12:27 |
| M4rtinK | that prevents it from being maintained in kernel like other "normal" filesystems | 12:27 |
| stephg | so the licensing thing is no longer a thing, I don't think | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | stephg: well, nvidia drivers.. | 12:27 |
| M4rtinK | stephg: but still not as part of kernel | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:27 |
| stephg | hehe | 12:27 |
| M4rtinK | many people will not take it seriously/touch it as a result | 12:27 |
| mornfall | the nvidia driver is, incidentally, another thing with a great deal of duct tape holding it in the kernel | 12:28 |
| stephg | lunchtiem bbl | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK | and even in Debian it is IIRC not yet really formally accepted | 12:28 |
| M4rtinK | just proposed AFAIK | 12:28 |
| mornfall | well just fire up a KVM with Solaris in it, make a ZFS pool on virtio blk devices and export it with NFS back to the host, voilá | 12:29 |
| stephg | ew | 12:29 |
| mornfall | totally worth it ;-) | 12:29 |
| stephg | :) | 12:29 |
| mornfall | well, people do crazier things than that | 12:30 |
| mornfall | but now, there's a train to catch | 12:30 |
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| prometoys | Is it safe to run btrfs-balancer now? | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | prometoys: that's essentially what the optimization thing does afaik | 12:34 |
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| tadzik | "Sailfish OS could not be updated. Please try again later." | 12:53 |
| tadzik | I got the same thing yesterday, I suppose I'll get the same thing tomorrow; any logs to look into? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: journalctl as a start | 12:54 |
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| tadzik | Stskeeps: it doesn't seem to have logs before the last boot | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah yes | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | so when does this message appear | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | and also ssu lr | 12:57 |
| tadzik | I tried --until with the timestamps from "logs begin at", no dice | 12:57 |
| tadzik | it appears after the progressbar goes on and on on the updatescreen | 12:58 |
| tadzik | I'm not sure if it goes to the end, I wasn't looking at it through the process | 12:58 |
| tadzik | ssu lr: https://gist.github.com/tadzik/ba512ace5a94e6a03779 | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | the latest isn't correct | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | ssu re 2.0.1.7 | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | pkcon refresh | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | try again | 13:00 |
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| tadzik | roger | 13:01 |
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| tadzik | yep, now lr doesn't show latest | 13:02 |
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| tadzik | is the system update basically a package update that rolls back to last butterfs snapshot if it fails? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | i wish | 13:06 |
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| tadzik | :) | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | tadzik: helped? | 13:17 |
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| Pawky | M4rtinK: Am I asuming correctly modRana doesn't support offline maps either?... :-( | 13:32 |
| M4rtinK | Pawky: not yet | 13:33 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: yeah, it did, thanks :) | 13:33 |
| M4rtinK | Pawky: but of course the tiles it downloads are saved locally | 13:33 |
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| M4rtinK | Pawky: and it has even a built-in batch downloader, just not yet exposed in the Qt 5 GUI used on Sailfish OS | 13:34 |
| M4rtinK | Pawky: but eventually I would like it to have proper vector based locally rendered maps | 13:34 |
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| M4rtinK | but that will take quite some work, so it is not there yet | 13:34 |
| M4rtinK | just some low level enablement stuff so far | 13:34 |
| Pawky | M4rtinK: would be cool if one could use the N9 files :-) | 13:35 |
| Pawky | whats the difference with the two network modes? | 13:35 |
| mkolman | there should be a help text underneath | 13:35 |
| mkolman | at least in the Sailfish OS version | 13:36 |
| mkolman | oh | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | oops | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | my secret identity has been revealed! :) | 13:36 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, the only difference at the moment is that the minimal mode disables automatic tile downloads | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK | that's it | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK | you can still search online, etc. | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK | I guess eventually there should be a "no network access" mode | 13:37 |
| M4rtinK | that disables *all* network usage | 13:38 |
| M4rtinK | possibly with dialogs for interactive usage attempts ("do you want to turn off the no network access mode ?", etc.) | 13:39 |
| Pawky | it just states "in full network usage mode no network usage restrictions are in place" which is kind of obvious, but does not tell what the other option does... ;-) | 13:39 |
| mkolman | hmm | 13:39 |
| mkolman | it should show a different one when you switch to the minimal one | 13:39 |
| Pawky | oh.. never tried it.. | 13:39 |
| Pawky | just read and started to think.. | 13:40 |
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| mkolman | just switch to the other one | 13:40 |
| mkolman | and it tells you :) | 13:40 |
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| mkolman | I think it is kinda OK like this | 13:41 |
| mkolman | it is a combo box anyway | 13:41 |
| Pawky | keep full as default, and write what a change would do, maybe? | 13:41 |
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| Pawky | "change this if you do not want to ... bla bla" | 13:42 |
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| M4rtinK | well, that might be a wall of text in the end | 13:42 |
| Pawky | does it pre fetch tiles in some way? | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | currently just what you see | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | on the map | 13:43 |
| Pawky | aha.. that makes zooming in a bit slow.. | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | the batch download code is more sophisticated | 13:43 |
| Pawky | i believe google maps does download different levels. | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | you can download around a route, etc. | 13:43 |
| M4rtinK | it could be possible to download one level up & down for example | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | but it should be probably optional | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | as that can be quite a lot of data | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | also you can do the trick | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | where you just scale the tiles when zooming up or down | 13:44 |
| M4rtinK | and then you replace them with the actual tiles once they are downloaded | 13:45 |
| M4rtinK | many apps do that | 13:45 |
| Pawky | well, if I have choosen full network.... i want full :-) | 13:45 |
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| ggabriel | it works like a charm too | 13:50 |
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| ggabriel | used modrana y japan with zero data access | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | it's become so much better than a year or two ago | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | s/y/in/ :P | 13:51 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the GTK version of modRana has some optimizations for high speed highway driving | 13:51 |
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| M4rtinK | where it preloads a bit in the direction of travel | 13:51 |
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| M4rtinK | ggabriel: cool! :) | 13:51 |
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| M4rtinK | I really need to work more on it | 13:51 |
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| Pawky | :-) | 13:51 |
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| Pawky | offline browsing :-) | 13:52 |
| M4rtinK | also - patches welcome! :) | 13:52 |
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| Pawky | vector maps? | 13:52 |
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| ggabriel | vector maps is a monster | 13:52 |
| Pawky | well... not storage wise, i presume | 13:52 |
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| ggabriel | everything wise, for what i've read | 13:53 |
| ggabriel | it'd be nice but | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | it is a complicated problem | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | from where & how to store the date | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | through efficient data grabbing | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | through styling and rendering | 13:53 |
| M4rtinK | especially on mobile platforms | 13:54 |
| M4rtinK | where external rendering dependencies are a hassle | 13:54 |
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| M4rtinK | and many desktop/server map rendering libraries are almost impossible to build | 13:55 |
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| M4rtinK | also I would like to make the solution I use for offline maps as multiplatform as possible | 13:57 |
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| M4rtinK | ideally covering Sailfish OS, N900, desktop and Android | 13:57 |
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| M4rtinK | that makes it complicated | 13:58 |
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| M4rtinK | one idea is to basically generate SVGs of the tiles you want to display and rendering those with a platform native tech | 13:58 |
| M4rtinK | eq. GTK on the N900 & Qt 5 on Sailfish, etc. | 13:59 |
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| citylight2 | ok, may I ask your help with google account stop syncing? or use together? | 16:18 |
| citylight2 | I remove the account, the define it again, and I get a notification that I need to sign-in | 16:19 |
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| * attah crosses fingers | 16:51 | |
| * stephg_ sips beer | 16:51 | |
| * lainwir3d sips whisky | 16:52 | |
| stephg_ | whoa whoa whao lainwir3d bit early for that #where's mine | 16:52 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 16:54 |
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| attah | Freaky update process is freaky.. looked like bootloop | 17:02 |
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| lainwir3d | attah: yeah. Got scared for a moment that one of the only tablet will never start again | 17:09 |
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| attah | lainwir3d: doing mine now.. | 17:10 |
| ggabriel | uhm... I read that meerun doesn't work with the latest | 17:11 |
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| attah | Aliendalvik:Add native media control support.? | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | yeah | 17:17 |
| attah | I read that as lockscreen controls.. does anyone know? | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | should be | 17:17 |
| attah | not for spotify or audible anyway | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | good to report then... maybe it doesn't work as expected | 17:18 |
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| attah | Need to check if those two even use the correct method on android proper | 17:19 |
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| attah | Both those apps publish something in their respective "notification" of now playing, not sure if that's what is supposed to be intercepted | 17:22 |
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| ggabriel | but can you stop/skip/play? | 17:23 |
| ggabriel | say from the lockscreen in android | 17:23 |
| attah | not lockscreen.. but mine is probably too locked down for that (work phone) | 17:25 |
| attah | just notifications.. | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | i'd need to test that on mine... it shouldn't matter really, the ootb media player should have controls on the lockscreen or something | 17:25 |
| ggabriel | i don't know, this is how much i've used android lol :P | 17:25 |
| attah | seconded.. this is my first one.. and it's 11 months or so | 17:26 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | ping sledges ! | 18:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | for restaurant Vincent, can I register or are the registration closed ? | 18:44 |
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