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| Stskeeps | well, that's evil: http://lwn.net/Articles/672637/rss | 05:44 |
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| wmarone_ | yup | 05:48 |
| lpotter | they never have been about community anyway | 05:50 |
| wmarone_ | nope | 05:51 |
| wmarone_ | and they were always tone deaf with Zemlin's presentations | 05:51 |
| wmarone_ | go to Meego event, talk about Android... | 05:51 |
| Stskeeps | otoh they did get me a free trip to SF to hear the good word about tizen | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:53 |
| wmarone_ | haha | 05:53 |
| lpotter | wmarone_: I had forgotten about that | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | monday mourning with meego | 05:56 |
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| sharix | Is ther something like dbus-send Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei on SfOS? | 09:33 |
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| chem|st | sharix: why not just read it? | 10:15 |
| chem|st | sharix: and what do you need the imei for? | 10:15 |
| sharix | chem|st: don't know how. I'm completele d-bus unaware :-( | 10:15 |
| chem|st | sharix: you do not need dbus to get the imei... you can just read it from /sys | 10:16 |
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| sharix | chem|st: Wanted to chich system get's which IMEI. aliendalvik reads the real one. I'm not amused | 10:16 |
| sharix | s/ chich / check which / | 10:17 |
| chem|st | both get the one in /sys I guess | 10:17 |
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| sharix | chem|st: I'm looking for a way to control what they read! | 10:18 |
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| chem|st | good luck with that | 10:18 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: following LF info/news for a couple of years clearly shows that we need an alternative, it is like a government fed by lobyists | 10:21 |
| tbr | LF was always a bunch of big-corp sock puppets | 10:23 |
| tbr | the only decent thing is, that they pay Linus and a couple of people | 10:24 |
| chem|st | tbr: while I knew that steering wise, the last couple of years it looks more and more like they smoothen paths to prevent any company but the ones already established from raising in the linux world | 10:26 |
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| sharix | chem|st: Haven't found the tree, find /sys -type f -perm +400 -exec sh -c "/bin/cat {} | grep 547953" \; 2>/dev/null hasn't helped. Do you know the name? | 11:04 |
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| sharix | chem|st: Ok, much simpler, 'find /sys -type f -iname "*imei*"' has helped ;-) | 11:17 |
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| chem|st | sharix: that simple yes ;) | 11:30 |
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| sharix | chem|st: Is there any sysfs tools enabling symlinking? | 11:42 |
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| chem|st | sharix: not my domain | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | tbr: I think this was the funniest thing I've seen related to the linux foundation: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1kv1t4/linux_foundation_suggests_abusing_bitbuckets_free/ | 11:52 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: well that blog/publishing thing is mostly a load of crap anyway | 12:15 |
| tbr | also as they don't get much content, they keep pushing really outdated write ups through their social media bullhorns | 12:15 |
| tbr | I think I saw some articles announced 3-4 times | 12:16 |
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| chem|st | anyone with osmand installed reading me? what does data storage folder read to you in settings? | 12:18 |
| Sidde | Nicd-: not so much linux foundation as the author of that tutorial | 12:19 |
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| tbr | Nicd-: LF hired someone new to do that social media and editing job about 1.5 years ago and boy did their quality go down | 12:30 |
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| mikehgentry | chem|ist: /home/nemo/android_storage | 12:42 |
| mikehgentry | on OsmAnd~, which I think I got from FDroid, but it's built from the upstream project so even if it's a slightly different version I reckon that's right. | 12:43 |
| mikehgentry | * chem|st: (sorry. can't type. Not enoguh ccoffe] | 12:48 |
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| chem|st | mikehgentry: ta | 12:56 |
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| chem|st | I am looking into where the extSdCard is... | 12:57 |
| chem|st | I'd guess it be some env variable set to /media/sdcard but it isn't (have to admit I have no idea about androids workings) | 12:59 |
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| mikehgentry | Android's filesystem is a total trainwreck, so have fun ;) Afraid I don't really understand what you're looking for, but I do have an actual Android tablet sitting here if it helps and you can clarify. | 13:01 |
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| chem|st | mikehgentry: where the uSD is "provided" | 13:06 |
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| chem|st | just installed total commander as I knew that this shows like everything, no extSdCard available | 13:06 |
| chem|st | at least not on the phone | 13:06 |
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| chem|st | will check tablet tonight | 13:06 |
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| mikehgentry | The thing that's confusing is that there seems to be a concept of a 'virtual sd card' in the Android standard filesystem hierarchy. And there's a total mess of symlinks so lots of things appear in multiple places. But if you mean "where does an actual physical SD card appear on a real Android tablet" I can figure that out pretty easily... | 13:07 |
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| chem|st | mikehgentry: no need, it seems it is not in the changelog | 13:10 |
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| mikehgentry | OK, well it's on /storage/extSdCard on my Samsung Note (Kit Kat). Of course there's no guarantee that's standard (TouchWizz changes a few things fairly deeply compared to upstream, including some SD card handling stuff), but it's a reasonable guess... | 13:13 |
| chem|st | mikehgentry: same for 4.2.2 Gtab 2 | 13:14 |
| chem|st | it can also be just in /mnt but there is no /mnt on Jolla | 13:14 |
| chem|st | and no /storage of course | 13:14 |
| chem|st | but if I read it correctly, it is all just settting an env variable | 13:15 |
| chem|st | as we have access to the uSD, just apps that only access SD-Card and extSD-Card or something cannot access it | 13:15 |
| mikehgentry | Well 'printenv' says "SECONDARY_STORAGE=/storage/extSdCard" | 13:19 |
| mikehgentry | Are you just trying to get OsmAnd to use the SD card? Because on ModRana I just symlinked it, though I'm sure you've thought of that... | 13:26 |
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| chem|st | mikehgentry: no I am looking into a bugreport that says uSD not working on android | 13:33 |
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| mikehgentry | OK. Well this is definitely above my knowledge grade, but there are a few other storage related environment variables, so I can report those if it helps... | 13:34 |
| Tegu | I don't know but some apps say that you'd need at least android 4.4 in order to use uSD | 13:34 |
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| chem|st | Tegu: my android 4.2.2 has ext sd just fine... | 13:35 |
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| chem|st | but that was samsung.. well can be different with generic android | 13:36 |
| mikehgentry | chem|ist: I believe Samsung deviated from upstream at some point. Google removed app access to SD cards (too confusing for users), Samsung stuck with it. That might be the difference. | 13:36 |
| chem|st | mikehgentry: where do you chroot to to get that printenv? | 13:37 |
| Tegu | chem|st: I don't have Android so cannot say. but e.g. Here apparently needs 4.4 to save maps on SD card. not sure | 13:37 |
| mikehgentry | I didn't - I'm just using "Terminal Emulator for Android" by Jack Palevich | 13:38 |
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| chem|st | mikehgentry: installing one now | 13:42 |
| chem|st | mikehgentry: external storage is set to /home/nemo/android_storage | 13:44 |
| mikehgentry | In case it wasn't clear, that printenv came from my tablet, not Alien Dalvik on my phone. | 13:48 |
| chem|st | mikehgentry: ok | 13:48 |
| mikehgentry | But I think maybe 'external storage' is the emulated SD card. 'Secondary storage' being the real one. Confused? You will be... | 13:49 |
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| chem|st | mikehgentry: there is no secondary storage | 14:22 |
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| chem|st | simply not working is the answer at hand atm | 14:22 |
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| Bysmyyr | http://yle.fi/uutiset/vilauttiko_nokia_uutta_puhelintaan__mainosvideo_herattaa_epailyn_pikaisesta_paluusta_kannykkamarkkinoille/8613889 | 14:33 |
| Bysmyyr | sorry in finnish, but use translate | 14:33 |
| Bysmyyr | origin http://uk.businessinsider.com/nokia-potentially-leaks-c1-smartphone-and-tablet-in-youtube-video-2016-1?r=US&IR=T | 14:34 |
| stephg | whatever happened to the N1 | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | a boring android tablet even without here maps | 14:35 |
| stephg | no I know, I just don't remember hearing much about it after the launch fanfare... | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | you mean deafening awkward silence? | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:36 |
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| stephg | I do believe that's exactly what I mean :D | 14:37 |
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| Stskeeps | rigo: http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2016/01/21/l-assemblee-vote-la-disposition-pour-un-systeme-d-exploitation-souverain_4851279_4408996.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1453382674 is a bit ambigious, did it get rejected, or not? | 15:09 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: it's just a first draft of proposal | 15:10 |
| Tofe | very likely to be rejected even without being read | 15:11 |
| Tofe | (at least the OS part) | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | meh, where's the bravery :P | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | russia, china, can do it | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:12 |
| Tofe | oh wait, the article is about sevral things at once -- let me re-read it | 15:12 |
| chem|st | stephg: if Nokia does not present a smartphone on MWC they are a pretty dead company consumer wise | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i hope they have a shred of dignity left and announces something beyond the smartphone | 15:14 |
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| chem|st | beyond? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 15:14 |
| chem|st | like? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | they need to disrupt, not just me-too | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | i have no idea what they could come up with, that wouldn't be fun | 15:15 |
| chem|st | ah yeah sure | 15:15 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: ok, the law proposal is about "the government will propose a draft for a national opensource OS", and that has been indeed adopted, to my big surprise | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: excellent, trips to france | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: they need to be like, we have this smartphone with this new linux OS that will shred android and apple into pieces, it is based on Mer and we are looking fwd to work together with SSH and Jolla as manufacturer | 15:16 |
| chem|st | :P | 15:16 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: Yes, I was very pessimistic about this vote, and I'm glad it turned out so -- the lobbying was quite intense, it seems | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: makes you wonder who's behind it | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's usually no lobbying without companies or projects | 15:17 |
| Tofe | yep | 15:17 |
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| chem|st | "national" is doomed to fail | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: it's really ironic when russian and the chinese understand they can't build things on their own but understand the need for independent OS, with country-specific characteristics | 15:18 |
| chem|st | for a country like france | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, national can make sense at times | 15:18 |
| Stskeeps | i'd just wish the EU would get behind it | 15:18 |
| Tofe | MS has done quite a big job there, but APRIL as well (a french association defensing free software, pretty well known here) | 15:18 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: not for france | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: hmm, http://www.numerama.com/politique/138290-des-deputes-veulent-un-os-souverain-made-in-france.html | 15:19 |
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| Tofe | Well, seems they did a little shortcut here :p | 15:20 |
| chem|st | France just pretends to be a major player as it is a huge country but they would line up just behind Greece without EU subsidizing | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, 2010 | 15:20 |
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| Tofe | chem|st: a french OS doesn't make sense anyway, it's not realistic at all. I think they'll write yet another draft proposal, which will quickly be forgotten by the next government. | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: think ahead 20 years where most of your so-called free speech happens through only american companies' servers and UIs.. | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | it kind of makes sense to some degree but needs a whole lot more crazy | 15:25 |
| Tofe | Encouraging free software for administration and public stuff is a good thing though | 15:25 |
| Tofe | (even, a necessary and logical thing to do) | 15:26 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: no need to go as far as that, it's almost already the case | 15:26 |
| chem|st | Tofe: yes | 15:27 |
| Tofe | It's maybe one of the rare proposals where noone has been demonstrating against, this year :p | 15:28 |
| chem|st | Tofe: it is already the case | 15:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | independent isn't maistream nowadays ... or big or besquare ... thanks startus..... | 15:30 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, i hope isn't this ... http://www.androidiani.com/news/nokia-il-nuovo-smartphone-si-mostra-in-alcune-foto-276015 | 15:32 |
| Tofe | Well, still, apart from this naïve OS thing (just contribute to Debian, guys...), the rest of the proposal is quite good. If it ever has a follow-up. | 15:33 |
| mikehgentry | Seems to fit the bill: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends | 15:37 |
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| rigo | Stskeeps: oh, this is just french balderdash to translate into "la grande nation" is not dependent on the US | 15:52 |
| rigo | Stskeeps: which is what they need in times of starting election campaigns | 15:53 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: yes, :P | 15:53 |
| ggabriel | ofc they don't depend on the US, they depend on China, like everyone else :P | 15:54 |
| rigo | so they have been criticized as clueless and do like the dutch and support some real software projects like openssl and stuff | 15:54 |
| rigo | ggabriel: jolla with open hardware could work for public procurement :) | 15:55 |
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| Bergkatze | Greetings, everybody. | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | greetings | 17:09 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: seems nokia is going LTE-TV, not really disturbing news | 17:38 |
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| Mikaela | Does Jolla support passpoint? Together says nothing. | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | Mikaela: what is passpoint? | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | same question | 19:56 |
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| sjn | http://www.wi-fi.org/discover-wi-fi/wi-fi-certified-passpoint # Passpoint? | 19:59 |
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| Mikaela | What sjn said | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | mm i guess not | 20:03 |
| Mikaela | I will open a thread then | 20:07 |
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| Mikaela | https://together.jolla.com/question/127350/support-wi-fi-certified-passport/ | 20:11 |
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| tbr | typo. passpoint, not passport? | 20:14 |
| Mikaela | yes, fixed | 20:14 |
| pdanek | guys | 20:16 |
| pdanek | what's better, to live near London or near Bormingham? | 20:16 |
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| pdanek | in terms of options | 20:16 |
| pdanek | Birmingham* | 20:16 |
| pdanek | Bir. would be cheaper, but I guess much less to do than in London? | 20:16 |
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| ramsesHD- | Bormingham sounds boring. ;-) | 20:18 |
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| mikehgentry | One thing you've got to consider with London is time spent commuting / travelling. It can eat your free time so much you don't end up doing all the things you thought you'd do. I know people who live on opposite sides of London and barely see each other, though they'd like to. | 20:21 |
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| rigo | london is awfully expensive. | 20:26 |
| rigo | I lived on the french riviera. People where flying in from there to London cause it was cheaper | 20:26 |
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| rigo | but if you're alone and want to live on 9sqm, London is more interesting | 20:27 |
| DrainBamaged1 | Birmingham has a lot going for it | 20:27 |
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| DrainBamaged1 | Used to be a concrete jungle, but they sorted that | 20:28 |
| DrainBamaged1 | Personally I'da be up Birmingham faster than I would be London area | 20:28 |
| DrainBamaged1 | And as rigo says, London is just so expensive | 20:28 |
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| nh1402 | but London has the Crystal Maze | 20:35 |
| DrainBamaged | You mean palace, surely? | 20:36 |
| nh1402 | nope, Crystal Maze | 20:36 |
| chem|st | DrainBamaged: while birmingham is nice, not living in the UK is even nicer | 20:36 |
| rigo | ! :) | 20:36 |
| merbot` | rigo: Error: ":)" is not a valid command. | 20:36 |
| rigo | unfortunately | 20:37 |
| nh1402 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrDUdOgpNsI | 20:37 |
| DrainBamaged | I've only ever lived here | 20:37 |
| rigo | should I try #!/bin/bash now? | 20:37 |
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| DrainBamaged | Gosh, I've not seen that since I was a child | 20:38 |
| DrainBamaged | That is still _on_? | 20:38 |
| chem|st | pdanek: if those are the only options, I'd go for birmingham | 20:38 |
| DrainBamaged | Wow... | 20:38 |
| nh1402 | it's not still on | 20:39 |
| DrainBamaged | So a random comeback? | 20:39 |
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| nh1402 | some of the guys behind it, started a crowd funding campaign to recreate it somewhere in London for people to go and actually go do the puzzles and stuff | 20:40 |
| nh1402 | the funding target was met, and I think it might either be opening later this year, if it hasn't opened already | 20:40 |
| mikehgentry | Screw that, I want in-real-life Knightmare :) | 20:41 |
| DrainBamaged | Well, fair enough. I'd forgotten all about the show to be honest | 20:41 |
| DrainBamaged | All came flooding back when you showed me the Youtube link... | 20:42 |
| nh1402 | I'm assuming you're on the website booking tickets | 20:42 |
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| DrainBamaged | You would assume incorrectly | 20:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | in aus we had a similar thing called a*mazing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYPgVQCClwc | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure we ever got the crystal maze | 20:45 |
| nh1402 | ah 15 seconds in and I now hate that show | 20:47 |
| pdanek | DrainBamaged: by asking that, I didn't mean money | 20:47 |
| nh1402 | particularly of the word said at the 15 second mark | 20:47 |
| pdanek | obviously the money I would get in London would be higher | 20:47 |
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| pdanek | just asking for city comparison | 20:47 |
| nh1402 | do you plan to live in or near London | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: sorry, we call a different thing football in aus | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: would need to be a lot higher, london is very expensive, and you dont get much for it | 20:49 |
| nh1402 | what do you call "football" in Australia? | 20:49 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: australian rules football, of course | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | we have our own | 20:50 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: £1500 more per month is enough? | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | although we abbreviate it to 'footy', because y'know, australia | 20:50 |
| pdanek | to make the living standard same as Birmingham | 20:50 |
| Pebby | r0kk3rz: is this more like... american football or spanish football? | 20:50 |
| pdanek | 1500 after tax | 20:51 |
| nh1402 | and if you plan to live outside London, you should also consider the travel time to and from London to work, and then £3,500 a year for a season ticket | 20:51 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: is that extra? not sure what brummyland is like but in london that will get you a room in a share house | 20:51 |
| pdanek | extra yes | 20:52 |
| pdanek | versus birmingham | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | Pebby: not sure about spanish football, but its not really like american football | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | Pebby: most similar to gaelic football if anything | 20:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: might end up more or less equivalent tbh, im not a londoner so I cant really comment so much | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | just a lot of my friends are, and tell me what things cost | 20:54 |
| nh1402 | speaking of moving around, how long does it take to get to your respective workplaces?, takes me about 15 minutes. | 20:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | cost isnt the only thing, is the job a good one? and do you want to live in london for another reason? | 20:56 |
| Pebby | r0kk3rz: well I learned something today that lead to some time on wikipedia, thanks. :) | 20:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | Pebby: its a brutal game played by overpaid bogans, but its footy | 20:58 |
| nh1402 | r0kk3rz: but they are holding the ball, a lot | 20:58 |
| Pebby | r0kk3rz: speaking as an American, I am used to those words | 20:58 |
| r0kk3rz | Pebby: yes i imagine you are :) | 20:59 |
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| Pebby | yes, we must pay them so much because I would not want to suffer massive head injuries | 20:59 |
| Pebby | our money is paying them to do it for our amusement | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | fwiw a great many australian rugby players go over to the US to play your football, because of the big dollars | 21:00 |
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| Pebby | that's the american way... bigger is better! | 21:01 |
| nh1402 | don't they have a world series that's only played in that same one country? | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | world series baseball! | 21:02 |
| Pebby | of course.. the world is invited to join our great nation at any point the world wishes | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | Pebby: are the japanese included in the world series? they love them some baseball | 21:02 |
| Pebby | consider it our humble invitation. It's all we know besides sending weapons and soldiers to your country. We are somewhat simplistic. | 21:03 |
| nh1402 | Formula 1 is a world series | 21:03 |
| mikehgentry | Snooker feels pretty provincial sometimes... | 21:03 |
| Pebby | r0kk3rz: I'm sure we could use another state in our United States.. Japan can join, they just need to fix the flag for us. | 21:03 |
| nh1402 | races all over the world, people coming from all over the world to the different races to watch it | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | nh1402: agreed, same with motogp and wsbk | 21:04 |
| Pebby | we are pretty good at naming the beauty pageants too... miss america, miss universe (I've yet to see a competitor from mars but, well, they're invited) | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | miss solar system doesnt have quite the same ring to it | 21:06 |
| r0kk3rz | do they ever have contestants that are married? so it would be Mrs Universe | 21:07 |
| Pebby | they must.. we really need to fix some of our semantic errors or else a married person could never win | 21:08 |
| Pebby | although I believe miss is technically inclusive of married folk (i.e. when addressing someone, miss is the blanket term) | 21:09 |
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| louisdk | I can't install this patch on 2.0.1.7: https://openrepos.net/content/virgi/patch-three-fingers-volume-control - See newest comment on page. | 22:03 |
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| chem|st | lol | 22:51 |
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| cehteh | yeah he left .. but the other sound-control patch works and adds the 3 finger gesture | 23:00 |
| cehteh | call recorder doesnt work anymore since 2.0.1 | 23:00 |
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| HtheB | coderus: will you update the launcher patch? | 23:01 |
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| M-bobsummerwill | RE: World Series includes the Toronto Blue Jays, who are the single Canadian team in with all the American ones. So it is at least technically International. Ahem. | 23:08 |
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| chem|st | M-bobsummerwill: wohoo can wear my '92 Js tshirt watching them | 23:39 |
| chem|st | cehteh: early-access is also for devs to catch up with changes until release... | 23:40 |
| cehteh | yep sure | 23:45 |
| cehteh | most things work, quite some things fixed, and i feel like they do even better power management now | 23:46 |
| cehteh | but thats just a feel, i havent logged it | 23:46 |
| cehteh | finally android can use the sdcard .. but i just moved all stuff to the card 1 week ago using your 'receipe' ... haha | 23:47 |
| cehteh | not going to reformat that again | 23:47 |
| cehteh | (while encrypted f2fs maybe someday) | 23:48 |
| chem|st | the uSD extSdCard export is not yet available but uSD is bindmounted yes | 23:51 |
| chem|st | and that external SD and my poison are two different things app-data that you cannot cahnge location for will always be in /data/media | 23:52 |
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