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| Nicd- | nander: is it better than bitlbee with whatsapp-purple? | 05:47 |
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| Nicd- | that exists already so I would rather see people contribute to it | 05:47 |
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| n0wh3r3 | hello all! need some help, in wifi settings we have proxy configuration, but it is socks 4, where or how configure socks 5 ? | 06:17 |
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| Stskeeps | http://uk.businessinsider.com/samsung-looks-to-become-a-software-company-2015-12 | 09:08 |
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| tbr | are they getting out of the warship business or what? | 09:14 |
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| jaacoppi | it's the internet of things era, I'm thinking microwaves and coffeemakers | 09:18 |
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| tbr | toilets, don't forget the toilets! | 09:20 |
| jaacoppi | that's a japanese thing | 09:21 |
| jaacoppi | seriously though, I'm hoping this doesn't mean yet more bloatware on samsung android devices. "Samsung Play" etc | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | jaacoppi: not to mention samsung's key problem is actually doing sw | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | you don't change the way a warship runs | 09:22 |
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| Tofe | They could begin with trying to really promote Tizen... and not only for putting it on low-end hardware | 09:27 |
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| tbr | jaacoppi: https://twitter.com/IoToilets disagrees | 09:31 |
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| pesasa | DIY http://www.scottcutler.net/catpoop/catpoop.html | 09:55 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr : you do realize your iotwc gives inside info on frequency of your bathromm visits, yes? | 10:00 |
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| tbr | tortoisedoc: that was the whole point, yes. A multi-faceted demonstration of the implications of wide spread connected things | 10:01 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : oh i see | 10:01 |
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| tortoisedoc | so not only Big Data :D | 10:01 |
| tbr | also Big Dump | 10:01 |
| tortoisedoc | i should probably get my dallas sensors ready | 10:01 |
| tortoisedoc | my superlowpower ones, that is | 10:02 |
| * tortoisedoc no time for everything :/ | 10:02 | |
| * tbr has some 6lowpan mcus collecting dust. one should go on the toilet | 10:02 | |
| tbr | I need to reengineer the fill level sensor though | 10:02 |
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| tortoisedoc | huh | 10:04 |
| tortoisedoc | a level sensor would be kewl | 10:04 |
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| tortoisedoc | in my rain collector | 10:04 |
| tbr | there are n-ty ways to measure that :) | 10:05 |
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| tbr | weight, capacitive, fixed volume trigger, floater with potentiometer/reed contacts/optical distance/echo distance | 10:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmhm | 10:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | weight requires probably alot of equipment | 10:12 |
| tortoisedoc | whats the less intrusive one | 10:13 |
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| tbr | tortoisedoc: picture of your rain collector? | 10:34 |
| tortoisedoc | eh | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | not available :/ | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | just a very basic cylinder | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | about 1.5 mt high | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | and perhaps 80 cm diameter | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | thing is that its "mobile" | 10:35 |
| tortoisedoc | (as in it can be moved) | 10:35 |
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| kimmoli | sounds like a barrel | 10:51 |
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| tbr | either a scale. there are chips that can read load cells that have SPI | 10:55 |
| tbr | or measure the level using a ultrasonic or optical sensor. unless you only need full signal. then a simple floater will do | 10:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | hm | 11:09 |
| tortoisedoc | how about a potentiometer | 11:09 |
| tortoisedoc | on the side of the bucket | 11:09 |
| tortoisedoc | in contact with the water | 11:09 |
| tortoisedoc | like a stripe for instance | 11:09 |
| tortoisedoc | from top to bottom | 11:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | or actually | 11:10 |
| tortoisedoc | two stripes | 11:11 |
| tortoisedoc | one is neutral, one is signal | 11:11 |
| tortoisedoc | the less water, the lower the potential on both ends (=resistance higher) | 11:11 |
| tortoisedoc | I could connect it to some oth :P (to stay on topic) | 11:12 |
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| kimmoli | you'll stripes will evetually corrode away | 11:17 |
| tortoisedoc | dang | 11:20 |
| tbr | capacitive would work | 11:21 |
| tbr | tape it to the outside | 11:21 |
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| tbr | or insulate well and put inside | 11:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr: on the outside? | 11:33 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: the body of water changes the capacitance between the two conductors, as the field extends into it | 11:34 |
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| kimmoli | http://www.instructables.com/id/Capacitive-Fluid-Level-Sensor/step3/Cutting-the-tubes-to-length/ | 11:43 |
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| kimmoli | looks complicated, but then it is movable too | 11:43 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | halo! | 11:43 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | is thid the irc for jolla? | 11:43 |
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| Nicd- | you might guess from the topic :) | 11:44 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | just getting into :P | 11:45 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | guys i have a question about wi-fi certificate in SF2 | 11:47 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | in our university we use PEAP MS-CHAP v2 password system i think | 11:48 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | that have username and password to connect | 11:48 |
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| Nicd- | JollaSailor_Simo: if it feels easier there's also #jollasuomi for finnish discussion | 11:48 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | i'm italian, i don't know if nicd is a bot | 11:49 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | however sf can't connect to it, there is a way to add those certificate? | 11:49 |
| Yaniel | eduroam? | 11:50 |
| tortoisedoc | JollaSailor_Simo : no nicd is definitely not a bot | 11:50 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | sorry i saw the red colour and tought it :P | 11:51 |
| SQUelcher | great, my jolla decided to completely drain the battery in 5 hours | 11:51 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | yes eurodam i think | 11:51 |
| Yaniel | IIRC there at least used to be instructions on together.jolla.com | 11:52 |
| pp_ | JollaSailor_Simo: look for eduroam in together.jolla.com | 11:52 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | ok i will thanks :D | 11:52 |
| TemeV | SQUelcher: that happens sometimes when a process goes rogue and utilizes 100% of cpu all the time | 11:54 |
| TemeV | happened to me once or twice | 11:54 |
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| SQUelcher | TemeV: it does that every now and again (about once per week) | 11:54 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | it happened to me also in windows phone | 11:55 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | my lumia were burning :P | 11:55 |
| TemeV | SQUelcher: the phone should be quite warm when that happens. It's a good sign you should check with lighthouse (or top if you prefer terminal) what's burning | 11:56 |
| SQUelcher | TemeV: it was quite warm, but the TOHKBD kept the heat away from my leg ;) | 11:56 |
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| TemeV | Good insulator then :) | 11:57 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | i want the keyboard too!! | 11:59 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | however guys i didn't found anything in togheter about eurodam... maybe i'm using it wrong? | 12:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | not eurodam :P | 12:02 |
| tortoisedoc | EDUROAM :) | 12:02 |
| tortoisedoc | JollaSailor_Simo ^ | 12:02 |
| JollaSailor_Simo | i'm so idiot sometimes... forgive me... it' engineering fault hah | 12:03 |
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| JollaSailor_Simo | too much things i don't know, i will try to find an easier way | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | 48 | 12:21 |
| tortoisedoc | is not the meaning of life | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | wasn't that 42? | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | also, eurodam is a great name for amsterdam | 12:22 |
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| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : correct | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | i have to read that book again, it is to funny | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | and it will inspire me for future moaning | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | spesaking of which, it's a bad day today... I had to recommend an android tablet to a friend | 12:29 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: you never have to do anything like that | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | http://memegenerator.net/instance2/3167717 | 12:31 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: what's in your mind that isn't android and is fairly "compatible" with normal users? | 12:32 |
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| pp_ | Multitasking with two ipads! (ok, they have had it for ages) | 12:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | ggabriel you dshould really not do that | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | but what do I do instead? | 12:42 |
| * tortoisedoc shrugs | 12:43 | |
| tortoisedoc | ipads | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | aside from build your own, that is | 12:43 |
| tortoisedoc | SURFACE :D | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | oh, ipads were considered, too pricey | 12:43 |
| tortoisedoc | aah well if you get to be picky | 12:43 |
| tortoisedoc | its a different story | 12:43 |
| ggabriel | yup, sadly | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | android has cheap stuff | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | suggest a tablet that is compatible with sfos and use hadk for adaptation? :P | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | which reminds me, | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | i'd have gladly paid the difference for a jolla tablet though | 12:44 |
| tortoisedoc | StsKeeps, any tablet hw compatible? | 12:44 |
| ggabriel | tortoisedoc: "normal" friend | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, qualcomm is always a good idea | 12:45 |
| sledges | aygo hero 8? ;P | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | sledges shush you :P | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | if that's intel tablet, don't bother | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:45 |
| sledges | :D | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 12:45 |
| tortoisedoc | how about mediatek? | 12:45 |
| * sledges runs away screaming | 12:45 | |
| tortoisedoc | w0t | 12:45 |
| sledges | closed can of worms | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | darn :/ | 12:46 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : any specific model suggestion? | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : that you have tried, that is? :P | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | haven't tried any | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | ;_; | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | perhaps its not a good idea then | 12:47 |
| * tortoisedoc trashes the idea to buy a new android tablet just for the fun on trying | 12:47 | |
| ggabriel | i'll wait until jolla confirms if my pending tablet is going to happen | 12:47 |
| sledges | he have a few ported | 12:48 |
| sledges | Nexus 7 ones | 12:48 |
| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : how long might it actually take for that? | 12:49 |
| tortoisedoc | sledges : who's he? | 12:50 |
| sledges | s/he/we/ | 12:50 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 12:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | aha | 12:51 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks sledges | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | tortoisedoc: I don't know, but I'm not in a hurry; just had a second jolla phone and I'm very happy. If Jolla does go bust I can still last a couple more years with what I have | 12:52 |
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| ggabriel | tortoisedoc: also, Jolla has very limited time left to either get funding or shut :P | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | Yeah I have been wondering for a second jolla phone too | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | but perhaps Ill save for a fairphone and drop sfos on it :) | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | (a fairphone 2 that is) | 12:53 |
| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : yea I know :/ | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | tortoisedoc: ever done that before? (dropping sfos on a random phone) | 12:53 |
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| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : no | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | if I were you, I'd start with a cheap used nexus 4 :P | 12:54 |
| tortoisedoc | but assuming there's "officially" community effort behind the sfos on fp2, there might be good chances :) | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | the fairphone is rather pricey for a leap of faith, unless failing over to android is acceptable | 12:54 |
| tortoisedoc | fp2 not fp1 :P | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah, there are loads of good intentions with fp2, but nothing solid yet | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | speaking of thefp2, yes it is pricey! | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | it's a EU phone, so expected really | 12:55 |
| tortoisedoc | where there's a will :) | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | tell that to Jolla.... | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | they have been willing for long | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | we do not know what they have been facing so shush :P | 12:56 |
| Yaniel | we do: digitoday comments | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | digitoday comments+ | 12:56 |
| tortoisedoc | w0t? | 12:56 |
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| Yaniel | a finnish tech news site | 12:57 |
| tortoisedoc | Yaniel : link? | 12:57 |
| Yaniel | http://www.digitoday.fi/bisnes/2015/11/20/jolla-hakeutuu-velkasaneeraukseen/201515350/66 | 12:58 |
| Yaniel | comments are saltier than the dead sea :D | 12:58 |
| tortoisedoc | typical finnish truth lessons :P | 12:58 |
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| Yaniel | may I add that this tone has been the same since jolla went public | 12:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | heh | 12:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | I guess the fact that it spinned off nokia inherited all the nokia rage as well | 13:00 |
| Mirv | there are totally some persistent trolls probably that spend all their days flaming about the usual flamebaits in each news item. | 13:00 |
| tortoisedoc | or at least made it an easy target | 13:00 |
| tortoisedoc | (on top of the trolls i mean) | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | dunno, the last blog post starts with rage comments only halfway through | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | :P | 13:01 |
| tortoisedoc | lolz | 13:03 |
| tortoisedoc | http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/709/786/2786709/give-apple-some-time-theyll-get-there.jpg | 13:03 |
| tortoisedoc | yeez for the ammount of opinions in there :D | 13:04 |
| tortoisedoc | plenty of armchair CEO's | 13:04 |
| ggabriel | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iPad-iMat-iBoard-Joke,news-5968.html | 13:04 |
| TemeV | Yaniel: thanks for the tip, really entertaining "conversation" in those comments :) | 13:05 |
| dirkvl | you mean http://www.blogsolute.com/img/2012/09/iphone-5-long-jackie-chan.jpg | 13:05 |
| Tomo | "suomipullapojat tumputtaa noita unia täällä pahaa oloaan parantaen mutta näin on bisnesleikki aina mennyt tässä maassa ja monessa muussa vai mitä eu rahaliiton kaverit." apparently insane asylums have internet access nowadays | 13:12 |
| dirkvl | oh nice | 13:12 |
| dirkvl | with tor enabled browsers | 13:12 |
| dirkvl | nice | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | how do you recover sanity without internet? | 13:13 |
| dirkvl | without cat gifs | 13:14 |
| dirkvl | no idea | 13:14 |
| tortoisedoc | with drugs? | 13:20 |
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| Stskeeps | remember, community meeting in 15 minutes in #mer-meeting , agenda at https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-December/006784.html | 14:14 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: duration will be 45min, right? | 14:17 |
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| ggabriel | i'll lurk today :) | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: hopefully won't take too long, i have pizza incoming | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:17 |
| Tofe | Should be mainly a status update, I guess | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | ah, pizza for lunch, haven't done that in a while | 14:18 |
| ggabriel | altho I need 2 pizzas :P | 14:18 |
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| Tofe | ggabriel: it's a very convenient vegetable :) | 14:19 |
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| tortoisedoc | Tofe : pizza's a vegetable? :D | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: a bit like "I'll choose the healthy option today: not a burger but fish and chips"? | 14:20 |
| Coolgeek | yup, in america, it is | 14:20 |
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| ggabriel | in the UK it is too | 14:20 |
| Tofe | http://www.nbcnews.com/id/45306416/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/pizza-vegetable-congress-says-yes/ | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | it's got the dreadful V | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | at least the ones without meat toppings | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | I'm sure I saw the dreadful V next to pizza in Sweden and Denmark too | 14:20 |
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| Coolgeek | so vegan will start to eat pizza ? :p | 14:21 |
| tortoisedoc | So once again Pizza beats Burger; in y00r face McD! | 14:22 |
| tortoisedoc | so if my pizza has tuna on it, does that make tuna a V? | 14:23 |
| Tofe | tortoisedoc: that's a very good question; in the same spirit as they where back in 2011, I guess they would answer yes... | 14:23 |
| Tofe | were* | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | wwo | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | as in | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | wow | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | that's amazing | 14:24 |
| tortoisedoc | I could put a cow on it and claim its a V? | 14:24 |
| tortoisedoc | (legally speaking?) | 14:24 |
| Tofe | :) ask the US congress | 14:24 |
| locusf | also,is cereal a soup or a salad? | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | tortoisedoc: some vegetarians believe that fish is ok becuase "they don't have feelings" (true story) | 14:24 |
| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : but nofx told me clamps have feelings too! | 14:25 |
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| Lieke | well, i recently read this about fish https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/11/27/054237 | 14:25 |
| Tomo | "i'm a level 11 vegan, i don't eat anything that casts a shadow" | 14:26 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 14:26 |
| tortoisedoc | lv 11 | 14:26 |
| tortoisedoc | is that a supersaijan lv3 in dragonball terms :D | 14:26 |
| Tofe | super-vegan, with blue hair ? | 14:26 |
| Tomo | dunno what show that is from :D | 14:26 |
| Tomo | but it stayed with me | 14:26 |
| Tomo | fucking ridiculous | 14:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | it is in fact ridiculous | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | Lieke: oh, no, the cannibals ate sentient fish! | 14:27 |
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| Tomo | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=level%205%20vegan | 14:27 |
| tortoisedoc | even tho it has many things in common with roleplaying | 14:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | more like | 14:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9d9UrK0Jsw | 14:32 |
| tortoisedoc | (just to be more obvious) | 14:32 |
| tortoisedoc | (and to make it epic enough)= | 14:32 |
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| pdanek | #met-meeting? | 14:38 |
| pdanek | am I late? | 14:38 |
| pdanek | mer* | 14:39 |
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| ggabriel | pdanek: yes, you're late | 14:39 |
| pdanek | I was on another meeting :D | 14:39 |
| ggabriel | no excuses! | 14:39 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: have you tried KDE Plasma Mobile? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | i have | 15:24 |
| pdanek | Imagine for a second there is no Jolla and UI won't get open-sourced. | 15:25 |
| pdanek | Which project has brighter future, KDE Plasma Mobile or Nemo Mobile? | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | probably ubuntu touch or firefox os, rather | 15:25 |
| pdanek | I know that :D | 15:25 |
| pdanek | I was asking apples or oranges, not bananas. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | how much do you want to pay for my professional opinion? ;) | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | hahaha, consultant mode on | 15:26 |
| pdanek | I can pay you with warm appreciation from my heart. | 15:26 |
| pdanek | :D | 15:26 |
| ggabriel | I'm thinking ubuntu is a good enough compromise if sfos dies and nothing else is easy to port | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, doesn't put bread on my table :) | 15:27 |
| * Stskeeps goes take a shower | 15:27 | |
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| pdanek | ggabriel: that's another banana answer :D | 15:27 |
| pdanek | everyone knows Ubuntu has highest chances | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | i'd def give nemo a go though | 15:28 |
| pdanek | the choices are KDE Plasma Mobile vs. Nemo Mobile | 15:28 |
| pdanek | hm | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | but ultimately I need a phone | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | if e.g., nemo can't make calls, it'll be dead to me | 15:28 |
| ggabriel | same case with kde | 15:28 |
| pdanek | ggabriel: KDE is already built on top of Ubuntu Touch | 15:28 |
| pdanek | which is advantage | 15:29 |
| andybranson | anyone tried one of these with sailfish? | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | well, ubuntu is easily my least favourite linux distro in the world ever | 15:29 |
| andybranson | http://sinclair.recreatedzxspectrum.com/index.php | 15:29 |
| pdanek | If ubuntu touch will suceed and phones with it start selling, it might be simple to get KDE running on top | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | so not sure about that being an advantage | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: then you answered your question yourself :) | 15:29 |
| pdanek | I'm in favor for Ubuntu project, they have strong base, good apps, good chances.... I just hate the UI so much | 15:29 |
| pdanek | ggabriel: I did, but I always welcome opinion of others | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | andybranson: that looks awesome | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: trouble is that chance to succeed != technically good, so it's all about market and a small amount of individuals with money really | 15:30 |
| locusf | ggabriel: nemo can make calls | 15:30 |
| locusf | sms too | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | locusf: awesome :D | 15:30 |
| locusf | emails unknown though | 15:31 |
| locusf | although the status is from this january | 15:31 |
| andybranson | there's an android app with the game lib in it, and i wonder if it works in alien dalvik. | 15:33 |
| Tofe | pdanek: keep sailfishos, install glacier, tadaa. Then progressively converge to get something nicer. | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | andybranson: you don't own a jolla yet? | 15:33 |
| andybranson | or if we can get a more native speccy emulator going on sailfish. it looks just the right size to pair with the tablet | 15:33 |
| andybranson | yes, but i don't own one of those new speccys yet | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | oh, sorry, so you need something else | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | locusf: how sad would it be if jolla does go bankrupt and the source of the email client leaks :P | 15:35 |
| locusf | ggabriel: well the middleware is already oss | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | yup | 15:35 |
| locusf | plumbing it to a working client though ... | 15:36 |
| locusf | there is qmlmail but it doesn't build | 15:36 |
| andybranson | i wonder why the email client is so especially closed. loads of the other apps aren't. | 15:37 |
| locusf | its not _that_ closed | 15:37 |
| locusf | afaik | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | i think a good explanation was given in the last couple of meetings | 15:37 |
| locusf | qml is there | 15:37 |
| ggabriel | and a brand new native client could be started anyway | 15:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | IHMO ... let the sailor works on their do list | 15:38 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: starting from scratch would be such a waste of time and resources... | 15:38 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: I admit it'd be time consuming, unsure whether it would be a waste of time though | 15:39 |
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| andybranson | i get why the apps and silica aren't open. i think that's fine. | 15:40 |
| locusf | something like Glacier suite would be cool | 15:40 |
| andybranson | but most of the other ones are qml files you can patch and hack | 15:41 |
| andybranson | but the email is noticeably binary | 15:41 |
| andybranson | after all, being able to see the code on the filesystem doesn't mean it's open source | 15:42 |
| Tofe | andybranson: it doesn't even mean you have the right to modify it | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | there are too many definitions of open source already anyway | 15:42 |
| andybranson | well, that's complicated | 15:42 |
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| ggabriel | Tofe: we're all talking hypothetically here :P | 15:42 |
| andybranson | modify then publish definitely not | 15:42 |
| andybranson | but no-one can stop you flipping bits on your own phone | 15:43 |
| andybranson | at least not in any free country ;) | 15:43 |
| Tofe | andybranson: no, your rights are defined in the license of the software | 15:43 |
| ggabriel | ...hypothetically you forgot to say | 15:43 |
| Tofe | (which doesn't mean that technically you can't modify them) | 15:43 |
| andybranson | rights are only relevant in disputes | 15:44 |
| andybranson | but you change code on your own phone, and no-one else knows, then there's no dispute | 15:44 |
| Tofe | I'm just talking theoretically; there are numerous meanings of the "can" word | 15:44 |
| andybranson | i'm just curious as to why the email client is different from the others | 15:45 |
| andybranson | it's an implementation of old, open protocols | 15:45 |
| andybranson | if anything i'd expect that to be the open one | 15:45 |
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| ggabriel | email is complicated | 15:45 |
| andybranson | SMTP isn't :) | 15:46 |
| ggabriel | smtp is stupidly complicated | 15:46 |
| andybranson | CMTP maybe | 15:46 |
| andybranson | and there's also so much open source mail implementation out there | 15:47 |
| kjetilho | SMTP is very simple, MIME is not | 15:47 |
| andybranson | you would have thought their mail app would be mostly OS code | 15:47 |
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| Tofe | The added added value isn't in the raw implementation of protocols, but more how it is exposed to the user: handling of problematic cases, performances, power consumption, threaded update, error handling, intuitive UI, integration with OS, etc | 15:51 |
| phlixi_o | the whole thing of thousands of different mail clients violating standards each one in a different way makes mail a pretty ugly thing, mostly what is actually in the body... | 15:53 |
| phlixi_o | ...smtp, imap, pop etc, thats more or less easy... | 15:54 |
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| andybranson | well jolla-email is the largest jolla binary in /usr/bin :( | 15:58 |
| andybranson | 124K! | 15:59 |
| kjetilho | haha, mailx on my computer is 398K. | 16:00 |
| Tofe | andybranson: there are some plugins too | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | mutt is 862KB | 16:01 |
| andybranson | hey, i still use thunderbird... | 16:01 |
| andybranson | the 'thunder' doesn't refer to its power these days | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | thunderbird is awesome | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | and smtp is somehow copmlicated, maybe not so from a client's perspective | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | but look at your avg sendmail configuration | 16:02 |
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| ggabriel | mime makes client side complicated, yes | 16:03 |
| ggabriel | although imap has a lot of interesting features too | 16:03 |
| andybranson | now exchange is complicated... | 16:03 |
| andybranson | actually, i bet most of the protocol stuff is in the account and sync daemon. the email app itself must just be a viewer and composer | 16:04 |
| andybranson | where is the mail stored anyway? can't find it in .local | 16:12 |
| andybranson | there's a jolla-email in .cache, but it looks too small | 16:14 |
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| ggabriel | ~/.qmf iirc | 16:16 |
| ggabriel | same as harmattan's client | 16:16 |
| andybranson | there it is. thanks. | 16:17 |
| andybranson | was the harmattan client any more visible? i loved that | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | how do you mean "more visible"? | 16:19 |
| andybranson | less binary | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | I have no clue | 16:19 |
| andybranson | more patchable | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | it had threading | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | and the db broke beyond recovery too often | 16:19 |
| andybranson | :) | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | the reason I know aobut ~/.qmf is because rm -rf ~/.qmf && reboot | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | then download again | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | no biggie, but a pain sometimes | 16:20 |
| andybranson | brilliant | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | jolla-email had that in the beginning, but it's pretty good now | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | all of this in the dovecot/imap4 context | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | i'm sure things are better tested for gmail and friends | 16:21 |
| andybranson | mine's now a bedside clock, but i can't remember the ssh password | 16:21 |
| andybranson | else i'd check | 16:21 |
| andybranson | it does sound like the jolla-email client might be an unofficial fork of the harmattan one. which would explain the binary ;) | 16:21 |
| ggabriel | it'd have threading if it were a fork innit | 16:22 |
| andybranson | dovecot is the *only* imap server | 16:22 |
| ggabriel | no, there are others... like gmail (sadly) | 16:22 |
| ggabriel | which has several bugs ofc | 16:22 |
| cehteh | the only which is a pleasure to use | 16:22 |
| andybranson | i let my dovecot talk to them :) | 16:22 |
| andybranson | so i don't have to | 16:23 |
| andybranson | they could have removed a couple of features, but the basic layout is the same. and common bugs are a dead giveaway | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | i admit that my mail config since dovecot and openbsd's smtpd has become a breeze of fresh air | 16:23 |
| cehteh | my only issues with dovecot are, that i once set it up, many years ago and i completely forgot how to do that because it just works ... if ever there will be a problem it will be pita to learn all that stuff again | 16:24 |
| andybranson | i recently rebuilt my vm, and i did dovecot with ldap instead of shell accounts. it's lovely. | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | cehteh: use .local and comment :P | 16:24 |
| andybranson | got owncloud using the ldap too. such fun. | 16:24 |
| ggabriel | sadly, owncloud is php | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | so many things are php | 16:25 |
| andybranson | i feel you | 16:25 |
| andybranson | could be worse though. could be ruby | 16:25 |
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| ggabriel | depends | 16:25 |
| ggabriel | with ruby you'd have more control | 16:25 |
| andybranson | passenger though | 16:25 |
| locusf | could be Go :p | 16:25 |
| locusf | or c-based cgi | 16:26 |
| locusf | that'd be quite ... exotic | 16:27 |
| andybranson | but damn fast | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | it could be bash too | 16:27 |
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| ggabriel | but with all these things you are responsible for security | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | with php it's up to php | 16:27 |
| the_mgt | from what I heard, nobody would want owncloud as cloud for files | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | otoh, i like owncloud philosophy and should please most users | 16:28 |
| andybranson | net should be federated | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | and it could run on any home broadband with a decent sd cards to store whatever you want | 16:29 |
| andybranson | it's supposed to be | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | home broadband modem* | 16:29 |
| andybranson | or NAS | 16:29 |
| the_mgt | ggabriel: seafile does too, and their sync mechanism is a bit smarter | 16:29 |
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| andybranson | i like ownclouds new federation | 16:29 |
| the_mgt | and it is not php, iirc | 16:29 |
| andybranson | add a social network to that and we're there | 16:29 |
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| locusf | ipfs backend to owncloud ... | 16:30 |
| ggabriel | andybranson: social network? you mean chat and sharing pictures? | 16:32 |
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| ggabriel | oh, and posting silly political/religiouos/etc ideas that you regret the day after :P | 16:32 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: hopefully regret ;) | 16:33 |
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| andybranson | i mean blog posts, and the ability for people to comment on the stuff you share with them | 17:08 |
| andybranson | couple that with the existing notification system and you've got a proper distrubuted social network | 17:08 |
| andybranson | been my dream for a few years | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | you should really dig into ipfs | 17:09 |
| andybranson | i'll take a look! | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | ipfs.io | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | it's fab | 17:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | apart perma storagr | 17:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *storage | 17:12 |
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| nander | Lol, our Whatsapp bouncer with irc frontend worjs | 17:13 |
| nander | Works | 17:13 |
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| Tofe | Stskeeps: I think I still didn't fully understand ipfs. Mainly the part about where the data is actually stored. | 18:02 |
| Tofe | I guess it's distributed, otherwise it's just an ipv6 NFS... | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: each ipfs object has a bittorrent swarm around it, effecitvely | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | so anybody who's fetching + a bit of seeding time, or permanently pinning | 18:03 |
| Tofe | ok | 18:03 |
| Tofe | yes, now I see. And with the pinning, it all makes sense, as we can choose what should be also available offline. | 18:05 |
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| pp_ | I guess ipfs doesn't solve the "1080p video on your internet-connected lan without setting up nfsv4+kerberos" problem :-) | 19:10 |
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| Stskeeps | pp_: it might. | 19:11 |
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| pdanek | Would it make sense for RedHat to buy Jolla? | 19:47 |
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| Tofe | pdanek: I can't see why it would | 19:50 |
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| mdxth_ | Fedora Phone :) | 19:51 |
| cehteh | pdanek: i hoped for that too .. but they never seem to have any ambition to enter the mobile market | 19:52 |
| pdanek | mdxth: Fedora phone would be horrible | 19:53 |
| pp_ | at least they'd use an updated gcc :-) | 19:54 |
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| pp_ | ... of course the dialer app would be 6 months old since they missed the alpha with the feature | 19:56 |
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| pavi | when we use jolla backup tool , it creates a backup file. But where is it located on the filesystem? | 21:04 |
| Nicd- | pavi: ~/.vault | 21:07 |
| pavi | Nicd-: thanks | 21:07 |
| Nicd- | you can also copy it to memory card, it will be a .tar then | 21:07 |
| Nicd- | .vault is a git repo | 21:07 |
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| pavi | I will scp it to my laptop | 21:10 |
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| M4rtinK | cehteh: google for "redhat mobile":) | 22:17 |
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| M4rtinK | (previously known as FeedHenry) | 22:18 |
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| M4rtinK | and one of the Red Hat summit keynotes nicely demonstrates what it can do (they should be on youtube) | 22:22 |
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| M4rtinK | I think it is probably the middleware keynote | 22:22 |
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