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| ArtVandalae | I'd be interested/excited to see what Jolla could do with 1 more year of funding. They've achieved a hell of a lot in the last 2-3 | 07:37 |
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| Stskeeps | ArtVandalae: well, i guess a xmas party would be appropiate | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:39 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 07:39 |
| tortoisedoc | its christmas soon, after all | 07:39 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : is it known which investor pulled out in nov? | 07:40 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: you know i'm not supposed to talk about that kind of stuff | 07:41 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps: actually, no, i didnt:P | 07:41 |
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| pp_ | typically they're all sorts of funds which have strategies and they buy/sell based on "does not fit into our portfolio" | 07:48 |
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| tortoisedoc | pp_ : I see; so it's a matter of fitting into their portfolio rather than the endresult | 08:34 |
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| pp_ | usually... I'd guess some chinese fund (the russians have so many problems now :-) ) | 08:36 |
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| pp_ | the managers of the fund basically gather x companies of which all but 1-2 fail (and they get profit in y years by selling their shares to the next investor who needs that in their portfolio) | 08:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | pp_ : I guess finnish funds are not viable? | 08:38 |
| tortoisedoc | like tekes & co | 08:38 |
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| pp_ | tekes is govt money, they give out loans (but only a few million most likely) and subsidies | 08:39 |
| pp_ | banks do have some small company funds, but again, investments have to be within the rules of the fund. I think something like "Danske invest" had 1.5% of jolla at some point | 08:40 |
| pp_ | but at this point I think something like 20% is needed | 08:40 |
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| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: tekes has already funded jolla a lot, they will probably not give out any more | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | that'd be 20% of 50 m right? | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | Nicd- : aren't govt funds supposed to support non-viable businesses? | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 08:42 |
| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:42 |
| tortoisedoc | \o | 08:42 |
| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: no, it is to support research and development | 08:42 |
| tiwake | tortoisedoc: only if its in a flood zone | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | huh | 08:43 |
| pp_ | 50-100Mish (and these numbers are pretty much coming from my arse ;) ) | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | Jolla : move to a flood zone quickly :P | 08:43 |
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| tiwake | hehe | 08:43 |
| tiwake | the servers need to be flooded twice a year | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | should be easy with the current weather situation in finland | 08:43 |
| tortoisedoc | do pipe bursts count as floods? | 08:44 |
| tiwake | not really, needs to be a land zoning | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | okay, so a full pipeline burst at least | 08:44 |
| tiwake | so FEMA can swoop in and save the day | 08:45 |
| tortoisedoc | pp_ : 20% of 100M is half the funding raised so far; 10M not enough? :P | 08:45 |
| tiwake | FEMA works in different countries, right? | 08:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | tiwake : what's FEMA? | 08:46 |
| tiwake | USA's... uh, I'm going to call it wealth redistribution method | 08:47 |
| tiwake | one of the main ones anyway | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | ah | 08:47 |
| tortoisedoc | so USA's tekes | 08:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | it is weird for the investor to pull out after such a short timeframe | 08:48 |
| tiwake | I think its supposed to be for natural disasters, for largish areas, like tornado in a city or major flooding or something... but its used a lot more than that | 08:48 |
| tortoisedoc | one could think they would understand it takes a longer period to profit | 08:48 |
| tiwake | tortoisedoc: yeah, it takes time to build a customer base... lol | 08:50 |
| tiwake | kind of a lot of time | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | tiwake : that's not the point here; it was known it would not be an instant success | 08:50 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 08:50 |
| tiwake | ah | 08:51 |
| tortoisedoc | (apart of the fact of it being a bit overhyped in the beginning if you allow my 2c :P )( | 08:51 |
| tiwake | thats good, cause such things hardly ever are | 08:51 |
| tortoisedoc | yea :( | 08:52 |
| tiwake | what is the processor in the jolla phone | 08:54 |
| tortoisedoc | ist krait | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | is *It krait | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | 800? | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | (snapdragon) | 08:55 |
| tiwake | "Qualcomm Dual Core 1.4GHz" | 08:55 |
| tortoisedoc | lols | 08:56 |
| tiwake | google does not know what processor that is | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | bs what i said | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | http://www.gsmarena.com/jolla_jolla-5457.php | 08:56 |
| tortoisedoc | snapdragon 400 | 08:56 |
| tiwake | ah ok | 08:56 |
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| tiwake | I'm comparing the nexus 5 with jolla phone | 08:59 |
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| tiwake | cause I want a cellphone with sailfishOS on it :P | 09:01 |
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| coderus | Must have! https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu-2 | 09:04 |
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| tiwake | I think I might just get a used nexus 5 and try to put sailfishOS on it | 09:05 |
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| birdzhang | coderus: wonderful | 09:06 |
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| tortoisedoc | coderus : cool | 09:06 |
| coderus | now please i waht to go to sleep | 09:06 |
| coderus | coding all the night :D | 09:06 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : go to sleep now! | 09:08 |
| birdzhang | :smooch: | 09:08 |
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| anYc | was there any statement from jolla if the sfos updates will be delayed due to the recent events? | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | not directly | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | but it is implied that yes | 10:18 |
| tbr | I wouldn't expect any software rollouts any time soon | 10:19 |
| anYc | sad, thanks | 10:20 |
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| pp_ | wonder how many parts already lost their sailor :/ rpm changelog vs. linkedin may tell | 10:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | is this correct; half of the staff on forced leave | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | not half layd off + the rest on forced leave? | 10:51 |
| ggabriel | temporary leave | 10:51 |
| tortoisedoc | ggabriel still forced it is | 10:52 |
| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: the information so far has been that "around" half will be put on temporary leave | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | it's still forced, yes; but the term is temporary in .fi | 10:52 |
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| Nicd- | no more info than that | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | some left on own regard for various reasons, about 50% temporarily laid off, but sufficient to keep the ship afloat for now still around | 10:52 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks Stskeeps as always :) | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps is being the lighthouse in the storm it seems | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah, others are | 10:53 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: actually the directly translated term here is "vacationating" or something like that :D "lomautus" ("loma" == "vacation/holiday") | 10:53 |
| tortoisedoc | well, from our perspective at least :P | 10:53 |
| Scelt | I feel that the one and only Jolla-to-community-communicator leaves the building (or the ship) when Stskeeps leaves Jolla | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | well, the info is in the blog/pr in fairness | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: ok, was talking about the temporary bit :P I think it's a interesting concept | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | that's unfair to cybette, Scelt :P | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | cybette had her last day too, though | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | she's still posting stuff tho | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | Scelt: sit down and have a beer with juhani lassila at some point | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | from the raft | 10:54 |
| Scelt | ggabriel: you can't change what a man feels. My main spot in here, in IRC, and Stskeeps is here with us | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 10:55 |
| tortoisedoc | so theoretically | 10:55 |
| tortoisedoc | as Stskeeps has already left jolla | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | does that imply we have no communicator left | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | i have 5 days left of work and will probably contract a while after that | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | but Stskeeps is still communicating :O | 10:56 |
| * tortoisedoc confused | 10:56 | |
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| ggabriel | you can still be part of the community without working for jolla | 10:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : sure sure, but <Scelt> "when Stskeeps leaves Jolla" | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | I suppose it depends what kind of information you are after | 10:58 |
| tbr | nnnnngh, trying so hard not to say more negative things about communications so far than this sentence implies | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | we'll miss Stskeeps's direction, for sure | 10:58 |
| Scelt | down to earth | 10:58 |
| tbr | basically it will get worse | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, depending on some people's perspective i've just been a liar and a scammer so far, so well, :) | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | let' see | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | haha, yeah | 10:59 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :/ | 10:59 |
| tortoisedoc | damn damn damn me for bringing it up :/ | 10:59 |
| * Stskeeps ponders going to fetch some food | 10:59 | |
| * tortoisedoc tbr shush you | 10:59 | |
| Stskeeps | nah, tbr is probably right | 10:59 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: don't forget the beer | 10:59 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr +1 | 11:00 |
| tortoisedoc | actually | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | everything will get worse, not just comms | 11:00 |
| tortoisedoc | its wednesday | 11:00 |
| tortoisedoc | should get some too :D | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | harbour, service and so on | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | it's a really tight situation and communication has to be very careful not to keel the ship over even more; especially with creditors having a lot of power over company | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | setting one's expectations right is the first step | 11:00 |
| MMx | food. Good plan. | 11:00 |
| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : only IF | 11:00 |
| MMx | canteen opens in 15min... | 11:00 |
| tortoisedoc | MMx : canteen? | 11:00 |
| MMx | cafeteria, whatever | 11:01 |
| ggabriel | i could get food now (I'm startving) but must wait 30 mins (11 in the morning is too early :P ) | 11:01 |
| tortoisedoc | ah :D | 11:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | tortoisedoc: food repository | 11:01 |
| tbr | np: star wars cantina | 11:01 |
| MMx | $foodplace | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/kickstarter-learned-of-zano-collapse-through-a-bare-bones-project-update/ is a chilling tale | 11:01 |
| MMx | tbr: jepp. something like that. | 11:01 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : yeah cantin, like the next one in the series will be :/ | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | "Reeves also passed along an e-mail sent to backers from Gary Stones, the liquidator hired to formally end the company and repay any creditors. Stones warned that any money that Kickstarter backers spent "are not debts owed by the company nor are they equity investments." | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | As such, Stones concluded: "Without remotely being inconsiderate, any Kickstarter ‘backers’ that attempt to gain access at the creditors’ meeting on December 4, 2015 will be refused entry."" | 11:01 |
| tbr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaPf-MRKITg (if your local MAFIAA censorship permits) | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | well, but isn't that how ks works? | 11:02 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : well that had to happen | 11:02 |
| leinir | it absolutely is, yup | 11:02 |
| leinir | but many kickstarter backers don't understand this... which is sad, but not really surprising | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | while in a debt restructuring situation it may actually be possible to get a refund in exchange for company goodwill -> bigger value; not saying that'd happen | 11:03 |
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| ggabriel | south park's apple centipede :) (read the friendly t&c's) | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: well, but once beancounters take over, forget about goodwill and so on | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | ggabriel : awesome episode | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | "why cant it read" :D | 11:04 |
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| Stskeeps | ggabriel: let's not assume that beancounters don't understand that the value of an asset is diminished when there's a huge amount of pissed off supporters that will haunt every instance of the asset anywhere.. | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | and it coming up in every press article etc | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | uhm... depends on the laws I suppose | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | sure, they can ignore it, but is it best for asset? :P | 11:05 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: don't forget that as long as the relation of jolla hkg is not fully understood there is no direct relation between the IGG campaign and jolla oy | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yes | 11:05 |
| tbr | does anyone know the status of jolla hkg? | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: not dead | 11:05 |
| tbr | k | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | but since it's a subsidiary of jolla oy, i'd presume it is comparable situation | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | (i think that's the case, at least, i haven't exactly seen the ownership situation) | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | subsidiary might even be the wrong term | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | but yes, indiegogo campaign is with jolla hkg; preorders on shop.jolla.com is a different matter | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | what i more wonder if these kind of cases will lead to crowdfunding cases that are decentralized and trustless | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | and observeable every step of the way, by nature | 11:09 |
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| dirkvl | Stskeeps: I see a lot of decentralised crowdfunding lately | 11:20 |
| dirkvl | in holland a lot | 11:20 |
| dirkvl | friends of mine did it with electric bike (Spaac) | 11:21 |
| dirkvl | guys with beach restaurant that wanted to expand | 11:21 |
| dirkvl | think it makes it a lot more personal than being on the huge list of projects on ks or igg | 11:22 |
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| RaYmAn | Stskeeps: curiously, the only thing that indicates it's not Jolla oy, is that location is set as "Hong kong". Everywhere else indicates it's the same jolla company. | 11:27 |
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| ggabriel | game for lunchtime: xkcd.com | 11:28 |
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| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: yes | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: it says 'bank account country: hong kong', in details as well | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | RaYmAn: it was also from practical POV, payments went from there, shipping starts there, etc | 11:38 |
| Stskeeps | and well, the fact that finland doesn't allow donations or crowdfunding | 11:38 |
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| pdanek | Are tablets still made and sold by Jolla or the separate hardware division/company? | 11:55 |
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| yestoall | hi everyone, can someone explain to me why in Linux the SDK gets stuck at generating keys during installation? | 11:56 |
| yestoall | i just don't get it. | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | yestoall: lack of entropy? | 11:57 |
| Helle_ | a very real issue | 11:57 |
| Helle_ | virtual machine ? | 11:57 |
| yestoall | it's on a macbook air, ubuntu 15.10 | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | ubuntu 15.10 running in a VM? | 11:57 |
| yestoall | in 15.10 the wlan driver is no longer listed under prorpietary drivers, so i thought it might work finally, but it doesn't | 11:58 |
| yestoall | no, on metal | 11:58 |
| Helle_ | yestoall: then just give it some mouse input :) | 11:59 |
| yestoall | well that's fine, but should it completely lock up the computer anyway? :-) | 12:00 |
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| yestoall | sheezzz... it is always failing at the stage where it installs the emulator | 12:26 |
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| cybette | ggabriel: thanks :) several sailors do help communicate through various channels so it wasn't just me. it's certainly not a one man/woman job.. | 14:08 |
| cybette | but yeah, maybe i'll start to have more time to post stuff esp. as myself when i don't have all the jolla channels to worry about :) | 14:08 |
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| Nicd- | you leaving too, cybette? | 14:09 |
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| cybette | Nicd-: left on monday | 14:09 |
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| Nicd- | oh | 14:12 |
| Nicd- | thanks for all you did! | 14:12 |
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| cybette | Nicd-: it was my honor and pleasure. and i'm still around in the community :) | 14:13 |
| cybette | https://diasp.eu/posts/3744790 this sums things up | 14:13 |
| the_mgt | whoa, that's hard. thanks from me, too | 14:13 |
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| cybette | but for now i have to meet a friend for coffee :) bbl | 14:14 |
| cybette | the_mgt: cheers! | 14:14 |
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| pdanek | Does the layoffs mean that in next few months, Sailfish development will rapidly slow down? | 16:22 |
| pdanek | And current roadmap won't be followed? | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's safe to say a lot of things will likely change, depending on money and talent availability | 16:23 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: I'd assume "yes" to both questions | 16:23 |
| pdanek | Because smartphone world moves fast. | 16:24 |
| pdanek | Sailfish might be capable to compete with Android now, but not in 1 year if development gets stuck. | 16:24 |
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| laxtlo | If intex dont release sailfishos phone's the game is over. | 16:25 |
| pdanek | Even if they do?\ | 16:26 |
| pdanek | It's like releasing N9. | 16:26 |
| pdanek | With zero OS development, it will be first and last phone released. | 16:26 |
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| laxtlo | Meaby | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah, don't underestimate the possibility of deus ex machina situations | 16:27 |
| kimmoli | meanwhile http://hashbang.gr/breaking-the-4th-wall-with-minecraft/ | 16:28 |
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| M4rtinK_phone_ | also if the dual-licensing deal comes through I thing it can help move things forward at least a bit | 16:30 |
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| M4rtinK_phone_ | I'm sure at least some longstand non-critical-but-annoying bugs would be fixed fairly quickly | 16:32 |
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| M4rtinK_phone_ | possibly some of the more popular feature requests too | 16:32 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | other than that it is indeed guesswork as you of course can't manage a communit - at least in the classical sense | 16:34 |
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| tiwake | dual licensing would be nice | 16:36 |
| pdanek | Tizen supports Android apps too, oh... I didn't know. | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: poorly | 16:37 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Jolla has better support? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | much | 16:38 |
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| pdanek | Then Blackberry support must be even better I'd say. | 16:43 |
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| cehteh | http://xkcd.com/1110/ finally some killer app for the tablet :D | 17:05 |
| dirkvl | we need native heavenly tetris | 17:09 |
| TemeV | cehteh: how does this new one work on tablet? http://xkcd.com/1608/ | 17:15 |
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| ggabriel | def doesn't work on the qt or native browser on the phone :P | 17:15 |
| cehteh | dunno i dont have a tablet :D | 17:15 |
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| TemeV | ggabriel: :/ | 17:16 |
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| Lucky_luke | facebook lite give us an app :-p | 17:16 |
| TemeV | but could somebody still tell me why I'm obsessed on collecting those coins? | 17:16 |
| Lucky_luke | not so good as friends buy | 17:16 |
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| cehteh | what is 'statefs' it seems to hog my cpu and device is quite warm | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor's invention ^ | 17:38 |
| cehteh | rebooting :D | 17:39 |
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| deztructor | cehteh: if you can debug, you can try to install oprofile and detect what issue do you have, also journal could be helpful | 17:42 |
| Aciid | HA688532on November 24, 2015 at 6:44 pm | 17:42 |
| Aciid | Kyllä tuon nyt saatana saattais kertoa suomen kielelläkin, ei kaikki osaa englantia. | 17:42 |
| Aciid | yall need to help this guy | 17:42 |
| cehteh | deztructor: i just rebooted | 17:42 |
| deztructor | cehteh: if you reproduce the issue and need help, ping me | 17:43 |
| deztructor | s/reporduce/will reproduce/ | 17:43 |
| cehteh | ok | 17:43 |
| cehteh | well i have no idea why it got stuck | 17:43 |
| * deztructor is curious | 17:44 | |
| cehteh | started lighthouse, saied the process ran at high cpu constantly and 'situations' took some considerably cpu too .. temperature at 67°C .. rebooted | 17:44 |
| cehteh | next time i may look closer | 17:44 |
| cehteh | charging on USB btw | 17:45 |
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| deztructor | ok, ping me if you'll see it | 17:46 |
| cehteh | i hope i never see that again :D | 17:46 |
| cehteh | anyone else reported similar issues? | 17:46 |
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| Tofe | Ah, sailors, you can't have an IRC chat meeting *and* move office location at the same time? Tsss | 17:48 |
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| Acce | isn't that what smartphones are for? you can IRC while on the move :) | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: if you have to lift shit you can't type | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:11 |
| kjetilho | "OK, Jolla, enter in fingerterm: s-t-s tab Oh yeah?" | 18:12 |
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| sjn | kjetilho: hey, you're here! :) | 18:13 |
| * sjn didn't know kjetilho had a Jolla too | 18:13 | |
| kjetilho | unfortunately, my Jolla is in a drawer, pending resurrection/reinstall | 18:14 |
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| sjn | aw | 18:14 |
| * sjn is a little sad that he still gets surprised when he meets people with a Jolla phone | 18:15 | |
| sjn | they're so far between eachother, it's almost like meeting a new secret club member every time | 18:16 |
| deztructor | cehteh: I am not sure I heard about such issues but who knows, so, at least, it should not be frequent :) while still it bothers me if such thing could happen | 18:17 |
| sjn | maybe that should have been a hint about Jolla's economic situation. :-\ | 18:17 |
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| kid | sjn: mine is till very much alive, sjn :) | 18:22 |
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| phlixi_ | i think it happend exactly one time, that i located a "random stranger" using a jolla (also one time some one using a pre n900 maemo device) | 18:25 |
| phlixi_ | of course i do not count hackerspace, meeting friends etc ;-) | 18:25 |
| phlixi_ | and i am using public transport A LOT... and everyone is staring at some smart display (ok, not everyone) | 18:26 |
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| phlixi_ | shocking how much of the those play those little bubble games | 18:27 |
| dirkvl | did you went like https://media.giphy.com/media/iyMWq8tPfNeiA/giphy.gif ? | 18:27 |
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| dirkvl | i never saw one in the wild | 18:30 |
| dirkvl | ´this is a jolla, but you have never heard of that´ | 18:30 |
| dirkvl | generally, people in holland dont give a flying fish about phones | 18:31 |
| PeperJohnny | I saw two people with n900 and one with a n9 but no jollas so far | 18:31 |
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| PeperJohnny | two of these people are it collegues | 18:31 |
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| cehteh | playing webradio, my phone loosing the wlan connection quite frequently is that a known problem? | 18:47 |
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| cb400f | never had that... I do listen to a few podcasts on my beloved Jolla when doing the dishes | 18:55 |
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| merlin1991 | cehteh: bt enabled? | 19:09 |
| cehteh | nop | 19:10 |
| merlin1991 | Well so much for my guess :) | 19:10 |
| cehteh | maybe its my network connection then | 19:12 |
| AmadeusXNet | cehteh: Tried removing the WiFi key and pair it again? | 19:15 |
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| cehteh | what shall that fix? | 19:16 |
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| cehteh | well i am now tryin disabling the torrent server :D | 19:16 |
| cehteh | maybe that caused it | 19:17 |
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| AmadeusXNet | :) | 19:18 |
| twaapo | a | 19:19 |
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| cehteh | ok i think that fixed it | 20:06 |
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