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| SQUelcher | http://bildschirmtext.org/image/20151126_001.jpg - my train seems to be _really_ late today... | 06:01 |
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| Stskeeps | SQUelcher: or you're in a timemachine | 06:04 |
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| SQUelcher | Stskeeps: no no, it's absolutely plausible with deutsche bahn... | 06:04 |
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| Stskeeps | https://lwn.net/Articles/665739/ , linux foundation pulling out is kinda telling. | 06:36 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : pulling out from? | 06:37 |
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| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: Software Freedom Conservancy | 06:37 |
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| entil | too early in the mearning, what's it telling of? that linux actually doesn't care about freedom of software? | 06:45 |
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| entil | I'd never heard of sfc before, seems like it could be a worthwhile cause | 06:45 |
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| entil | kinda sucks if they have like a third of the supporters they need and the year's practically over | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | entil: well, linux foundation is anyway a corporate bullshit organisation but.. :) | 06:49 |
| entil | I'm not a super-huge GPL fan all of the time but complying with licenses (like with other agreements) is pretty essential | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 06:52 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : ^What makes you think / how do you dare to say that :D | 06:58 |
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| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: years of experience | 06:58 |
| entil | wonder if the retron debacle ever got cleared | 06:58 |
| tortoisedoc | Everybody knows the Linux foundation is here for (their) our own good | 06:59 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | oh dear god | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:59 |
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| tortoisedoc | Speaking of linux | 06:59 |
| tortoisedoc | It seems yocto is pretty advanced | 06:59 |
| tortoisedoc | but its not the same as mer right? | 07:00 |
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| entil | cuz iirc the retroN was supposed to be the way best retro console but it was alleged of abusing gpl code, without contacting the manufacturers, and then nothing was heard | 07:00 |
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| Stskeeps | meanwhile, http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-11/26/raspberry-pi-zero-launch | 07:34 |
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| Stskeeps | The smallest Raspberry Pi yet might be its biggest: the charitable foundation behind the UK's best-selling computer have launched their latest model, the Raspberry Pi Zero, for the absurd price of just £3.30 ($5). | 07:35 |
| Stskeeps | The miniaturised Zero features a core that is 40 percent faster than the Raspberry Pi 1, with 512MB RAM, a MiniHDMI port and two Micro USB ports, including one for power. | 07:35 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:53 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: no Ethernet, though | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: yeah, but ethernet inside was anyway over a usb before.. | 08:56 |
| Tofe | true | 08:56 |
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| tbr | I wonder if their USB is nowadays less horribly broken than before. | 09:00 |
| Tofe | I hope so, because everything relies on it: power, network, physical access with keyboard, etc | 09:01 |
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| Tofe | I wonder how to debug an issue with an usb-to-ethernet device | 09:03 |
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| Stskeeps | Tofe: a usb hub | 09:04 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: yes, hoping it's not the issue :) | 09:05 |
| tbr | USB is always an issue and usb-ethernet chips, especially the cheap ones even more so | 09:07 |
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| Tofe | That being said, my rpi 1 still works very well, after 3.5 years of nearly continuous online time | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | i have more trouble with my ethernet-over-power than my r-pi in that regard too | 09:09 |
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| * baum just wanted to buy a tablet....oh...well =/ | 09:11 | |
| kimmoli | Tofe: no SD cards corrupted? | 09:11 |
| Tofe | kimmoli: not yet! | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | meh, in the future, boot your r-pi from ipfs | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:12 |
| kimmoli | i just resurrected one system, now i made backup image | 09:13 |
| kimmoli | Stskeeps: ipsfos? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:14 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: still, you have to take the bootloader from somewhere | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Tofe: yeah | 09:14 |
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| inte_ | hello | 09:15 |
| Tofe | (I read: "yeah -- what a bummer that bootloader thing!") | 09:15 |
| inte_ | are there any news about a new jolla phone being developed? | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | Tofe: just put a spi flash there... | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | not removable media | 09:15 |
| inte_ | my phone is 2years now and its really getting old | 09:15 |
| kimmoli | or emmc | 09:15 |
| inte_ | i want sth new :) | 09:16 |
| Yaniel | anyone familiar with ubifs? | 09:16 |
| inte_ | i heard the nexus 5 could run sfos, is it worth a try? | 09:16 |
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| Tofe | inte_: looking at the hybris support matrix, it seems to be one of that has the better support | 09:27 |
| inte_ | well yeah | 09:27 |
| inte_ | of course id rather have a fully supported phone | 09:27 |
| inte_ | to run android apps | 09:27 |
| inte_ | isnt the fairphone about to be supported officially? | 09:28 |
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| Tofe | I think it's still in discussion | 09:28 |
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| tbr | official support has wide reaching implications | 09:31 |
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| pp_ | "community" | 09:32 |
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| pp_ | ok, after that "full" | 09:32 |
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| _inte_ | jolla should rather have developed a jolla2 phone | 09:34 |
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| _inte_ | since os-adaption for the tablet was so expensive | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't a good timing for that tbh, given the roadmaps of different chipset makers | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | and remember that getting OS properly scalable to different resolutions also takes effort | 09:35 |
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| Helle | even with Qt providing most of it already, yeah | 09:35 |
| _inte_ | maybe hardware would have cost more for a new phone, but they could have at least used the same os in terms of screens and stuff | 09:36 |
| Helle | (I've used Qt in embedded application with different screen DPIs) | 09:36 |
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| Stskeeps | _inte_: try to sell a qHD display in this day and age.. | 09:36 |
| _inte_ | well, they could start another crowdfunding for a new phone and use that money to ship the tablet :) | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | _inte_: yeah, that'll for sure not get us into trouble with the backers.. :) | 09:36 |
| _inte_ | hehe | 09:36 |
| _inte_ | well, then drop the tablet | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | also why there was no announcements at slush, stupid to announce something when you haven't delivered on previous offer | 09:37 |
| _inte_ | i have mine already anyways :) | 09:37 |
| SQUelcher | _inte_: aka pyramid scheme? ;) | 09:37 |
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| _inte_ | hehe | 09:37 |
| tbr | which will put them in the same ballpark as tizen. partly-open source os, zero community, a few devices here and there. | 09:37 |
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| _inte_ | no, seriously, i hope jolla finds some financing shortly | 09:37 |
| tbr | brrrright future, especially if you don't have the deep pockets of samsung to fund such a stunt | 09:38 |
| _inte_ | couldnt nokia step in | 09:38 |
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| _inte_ | or maybe sony | 09:38 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: what? they announced the exit strategy for top management. it's called jolla ventures or such... | 09:38 |
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| _inte_ | i have the impression sony is doing sth in terms of oss | 09:38 |
| _inte_ | or, maybe microsoft | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | they somewhat owe it to the former nokians :) | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: well, jolla adventures is partly my idea, and it's not an exit strategy, by far | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | and, they supported apple back in the old days | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | what is jolla adventures? | 09:39 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: evil hat comment. you have to admit that it very much looks like it though | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yup | 09:39 |
| _inte_ | http://jolla-adventures.com/ | 09:40 |
| _inte_ | ?? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i even have fancy jolla-adventures business card | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:41 |
| tbr | also it fits manglement teaching about: if your company goes to hell, you as top management take every advantage you can to "pivot" into a new business to continue in your incompetence. *snerk* | 09:41 |
| _inte_ | so, couldnt jolla apply at jolla-adventures to secure financing? :) | 09:41 |
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| tbr | LOL | 09:41 |
| _inte_ | tbr: that didnt really worked out for elop, since he was eventually kicked out at m$ | 09:42 |
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| tbr | _inte_: depends how you look at it, he got to pocket lots of bonuses at nokia and probably also back at microsoft including a golden parachute | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: the real question you should ask yourself what kind of life jolla as a brand would have in case of a sailfish-only company going forward, and how to leverage that the best | 09:43 |
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| _inte_ | sure, he can live a relaxed live from now on | 09:43 |
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| tbr | ITYM life | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | ITYM? | 09:43 |
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| tbr | I think you meant | 09:44 |
| _inte_ | but, again, seriously: would it really be that difficult to get some stock android phone, improve the design, put jolla on it and sell it as a jolla2 phone? | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | _inte_: harder than it should be | 09:44 |
| tbr | _inte_: you just described SbJ | 09:44 |
| _inte_ | there are plenty noname device makers in e.g. china, india | 09:44 |
| _inte_ | SbJ | 09:44 |
| _inte_ | ?? | 09:44 |
| tbr | jolla1 | 09:44 |
| _inte_ | ah, ok | 09:44 |
| _inte_ | well, yeah, jolla1 hardware wasnt the worst | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: which is probably the best indication that it came to us all as a shock that a investor pulled out, wasn't supposed to go down this path :P | 09:45 |
| _inte_ | just do it again | 09:45 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: that's rather obvious, yeah | 09:45 |
| _inte_ | which investor pulled out, actually? | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | _inte_: can't talk about that, sorry | 09:45 |
| tbr | I suspect that's confidential | 09:45 |
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| tbr | bingo | 09:45 |
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| tbr | as disclosing this would potentially reflect negatively on the investor | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | (and the company) | 09:46 |
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| _inte_ | mh | 09:46 |
| _inte_ | im only curious | 09:46 |
| pp_ | there could be a community effort to choose one mass-market phone out there, make it work as well as possible with community effort, and then find a suitable model for getting the full experience :P | 09:47 |
| ln- | let me guess, even if the name was revealed, no average person would have heard about them anyway. | 09:47 |
| * pp_ doesn't see that happening | 09:47 | |
| Stskeeps | pp_: nexus 5 is probably closest | 09:47 |
| _inte_ | pp_: isnt that what they do for the fairphone2? | 09:47 |
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| * _inte_ is interested in the nexus 5 also as it could boot plasmamobile | 09:48 | |
| _inte_ | curious how that works | 09:48 |
| pp_ | already two mentioned and both are a bit pricey :-) | 09:48 |
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| Yaniel | fairphone would probably be a good choice because of its ideology | 09:48 |
| _inte_ | pp_: i joined late, what did you mention? iphone6? | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, fairphone are good guys | 09:49 |
| pp_ | moto g price & features would be perfect (haven't investigated technical feasibility at all) | 09:50 |
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| _inte_ | i think fairphone would also be nice | 09:50 |
| _inte_ | but support should be official | 09:51 |
| tbr | btw: another thing why prying out the sailfish sources into the open ASAP is important: The phone market is steadily migrating to AArch64 software (hardware has been ARMv8 for a while, but user space is 32bit on most) | 09:51 |
| _inte_ | since we need android apps, like quizduell | 09:51 |
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| trigpoint | Why wont the phone let me edit contacts i imported from a vcard? | 09:51 |
| tbr | if you have a pile of binaries, then the only thing you can do is watch them bit-rot into oblivion | 09:51 |
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| tbr | _inte_: official support would entail (by no means complete): paying jolla for OS licensing, paying for aliendalvik licensing, recertifying the whole software stack for: bluetooth, wifi, GSM, UMTS, LTE, USB, ... | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: or do the ubuntu way and not care about recertification | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | since it's user installed | 09:53 |
| _inte_ | well. then aliendalvik should be available as a (paid) app in the jolla store | 09:53 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: but that is then not official | 09:53 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: a lot of companies don't totally care :P | 09:54 |
| _inte_ | then user could buy it for their homebrew jolla phone :) | 09:54 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: sure, until somebody dies (or such) | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:54 |
| _inte_ | do it the ms way | 09:54 |
| _inte_ | i dont think ms cerifies their os for any hardware on the market | 09:55 |
| tbr | you don't seem to understand the problem... | 09:55 |
| pp_ | common criteria! | 09:55 |
| pp_ | do remove the floppy drive first | 09:55 |
| _inte_ | and, vice versa, not every hardware distributer is certifying their hardware but only selling it with a matching driver | 09:55 |
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| _inte_ | tbr: which problem? | 09:56 |
| _inte_ | do it like the linux lsb stuff | 09:57 |
| _inte_ | some hardware is certified and will run for sure | 09:57 |
| _inte_ | others could work (and does most of the time) but is not (officially) supported | 09:57 |
| tbr | _inte_: that there is more than one certification and that some are really hard requirements unless of course you are outside of any jurisdiction and can afford to discard your company and start a new one when it gets smashed by fines, lawsuits, import bans, etc | 09:58 |
| _inte_ | i thought that was only the case when shipping stuff to the us | 09:58 |
| tbr | the fact that you can do something does by no means whatsoever entail that it is legal | 09:58 |
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| tbr | mwahahahaha | 09:58 |
| _inte_ | well, im not in the us, so just dont ship there | 09:59 |
| tbr | moaning M-bobsummerwill | 09:59 |
| tbr | _inte_: same thing in europe | 09:59 |
| _inte_ | i can hardly imaging every noname china android rubbish phone ran through all those certification processes | 09:59 |
| _inte_ | they are available for sale in europe though | 10:00 |
| _inte_ | so what do they do different? | 10:00 |
| tbr | "unless of course you are outside of any jurisdiction and can afford to discard your company and start a new one when it gets smashed by fines, lawsuits, import bans, etc | 10:00 |
| tbr | " | 10:00 |
| tbr | if you want to build a reputation and business relations, then such a strategy is not going to work in your favor, at all | 10:01 |
| _inte_ | well, then jolla should maybe talk to one of those noname companies | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | not to mention the ton of different products and ids, that are obsolete within a few months | 10:01 |
| _inte_ | tbr i wouldnt mind | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | and well, you don't ban whole product lines, you ban certain products | 10:01 |
| _inte_ | all companies which are big nowadays started that way | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | (from certification pov) | 10:02 |
| _inte_ | remember the first HTC phones? | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | product lines = brands, i mean | 10:02 |
| Helle | the USA is just out for anything with a radio that isn't either a huge product or "for experimental use only" | 10:02 |
| * tbr envisions the tech news "jolla partners with chinese trash phone businesses, phones smacked with fines and import bans around the globe" | 10:02 | |
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| tbr | grrrrrreat way to ensure the next funding round goes super smoooooooth for jolla | 10:02 |
| _inte_ | werend they running windows | 10:02 |
| Helle | FCC validation is insanely expensive even for things without a radio (I'm friends with some of the people who worked on the original BeBox) | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: xiaomi is valued at 45 billon USD ;) | 10:03 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: I suspect they do certification though... | 10:03 |
| tbr | even if it's the chinese version | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: http://betanews.com/2014/12/11/xiaomi-infringes-ericsson-patents-in-india-local-court-bans-sales-until-february-2015/ | 10:03 |
| tbr | patents, whole different story | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 10:03 |
| _inte_ | jolla should just be open to anyone wanting to license their os | 10:04 |
| tbr | see nokia vs apple vs samsung vs everyone else | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | but certification is basically a sham these days.. they test things that have absolutely no relation to the factual function of the device | 10:04 |
| _inte_ | and if it is a small brand which doesnt care about regulations, be it so | 10:04 |
| tbr | sure, but it's a legal requirement | 10:04 |
| _inte_ | as long as they put sfos on their phone | 10:04 |
| _inte_ | tbr well its their problem not jollas problem then | 10:04 |
| tbr | it is jollas problem if sailfish gets lots of bad press | 10:05 |
| _inte_ | better they get bad press than no press | 10:05 |
| tbr | google does android certification (oh look there's the word again!) for a reason | 10:05 |
| _inte_ | windows was getting a lot of bad press all the time but its still the market leader | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen CE certification that was essentially about sending the letter 'H' to the screen, modem, printer .. | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:05 |
| tbr | despite the saying, it doesn't always work that way | 10:05 |
| _inte_ | as long as the phone works the customers really dont care about certifications | 10:06 |
| _inte_ | just as much as for "fair trade", in terms that prices are as "fair" that the customer can afford them :) | 10:06 |
| tbr | operating an unlicensed transceiver can entail severe fines and in some jurisdictions even jail | 10:06 |
| _inte_ | well but not for jolla | 10:07 |
| _inte_ | only for the device manufacturer | 10:07 |
| _inte_ | the noname brand | 10:07 |
| tbr | _inte_: you should really try some of the stuff you are proposing | 10:07 |
| _inte_ | and i barley can imaging all the cheap noname jolla phones available on ebay have unlicensed transceivers | 10:07 |
| tbr | "20 persons using jolla phones fined 20k€ each and sentenced to community service! All jolla phones now illegal in europe" | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | tbr: currently doing my ham license, so i *could* also use an unlicensed transceiver shortly :) | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | haha | 10:08 |
| kimmoli | wrong band | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | kimmoli: true, of course :) | 10:08 |
| _inte_ | kimmoli: should switch that to hamnet then :) | 10:09 |
| tbr | _inte_: then you should really try transmitting on e.g. the airport approach frequency some time, for let's say a day. You'll really enjoy the effects of being "allowed" to operate unlicensed transmitters. | 10:09 |
| _inte_ | tbr: ive never heard of anyone being fined for using a noname phone from china | 10:09 |
| _inte_ | tbr: depends on the frequency, as kimmoli pointed out | 10:10 |
| tbr | tl;dr - you're full of shit and I'm getting tired of it. I call EOD and hereby state that I fundamentally disagree with ALL of your points. | 10:10 |
| tbr | _inte_: phones don't operate in any amateur radio bands. q.e.d. EOD | 10:10 |
| _inte_ | hu, thats a bit harsh | 10:10 |
| _inte_ | tbr: yes i know | 10:11 |
| _inte_ | except for DMR | 10:11 |
| _inte_ | *duck* | 10:11 |
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| lpotter | well now. that went well. | 10:21 |
| _inte_ | http://dmrassociation.org/ | 10:24 |
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| lukedirtwalker | SfietKonstantinW: is there a way to manage columns in twablet on phone (v 0.6.1)? | 10:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | lukedirtwalker: update to latest OBS | 10:29 |
| lukedirtwalker | SfietKonstantinW: ok thanks | 10:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | lukedirtwalker: and then, push-up menu, settings | 10:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | you can move / edit columns here | 10:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and remove in the edit page | 10:29 |
| lukedirtwalker | thanks | 10:30 |
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| M4rtinK | oh, haven't noticed the preview packages om OBS till now | 10:31 |
| M4rtinK | nice :) | 10:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | oh | 10:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | you can MOVE columns now :) | 10:32 |
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| lukedirtwalker | anyone care to share a link to obs repo? :P | 10:33 |
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| lukedirtwalker | oh nevermind found it :P | 10:36 |
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| dr_gogeta86_ | good morning | 11:21 |
| dr_gogeta86_ | tbr, you can be fined also to sell those devices | 11:21 |
| dr_gogeta86_ | and if they are intercepted at custom ( al least for italy ) | 11:21 |
| dr_gogeta86_ | *at | 11:21 |
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| tbr | dr_gogeta86_: yes, I know that very well. It's just _inte_ going all *lalalalala* and trying to ignore the cognitive dissonance and trying to force his view. | 11:24 |
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| ggabriel | "intercepted at customs"? so you can't bring a foreign phone to .it? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | if it's a whole crate, it's hard to claim it's your personal phone | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | we very often have customs papers along if we bring too many | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | oh, ok, _that_ case | 11:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : backup phones? | 11:30 |
| tortoisedoc | "No sir, they are all mines. Yes, sir, I plan to use them all eventually" | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: well, as an example, we want to ship some prototypes by hand carrying | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | => sometimes faster | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | "I alwasy carry 3 phones: work, home, wife" | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | any .it will understand ;) | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | some prototipes is probably way less than a bunch of them? | 11:31 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 11:31 |
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| Stskeeps | you should see when we go to MWC. | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | a buuunch. | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc | you gave jolla's out for free @ mwc? ;_; | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | well, I met some Jolla and community people in London and the phone per person ratio was astonishing | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | but we had a fuckload of tablets along | 11:32 |
| tortoisedoc | ;_; | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | some peeps just happen to carry 6 phones, not counting tablets | 11:33 |
| tortoisedoc | what did you do with them? | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | took them home again | 11:33 |
| tortoisedoc | whyyyyy:D | 11:33 |
| tortoisedoc | ah but that means you still have them there? | 11:33 |
| * tortoisedoc happy with any dev tablet as well | 11:33 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah but they're not fcc/ce approved | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | so can't sell | 11:33 |
| * ggabriel fcc | 11:34 | |
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| fcc | I hereby approve | 11:34 |
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| ggabriel | there, done | 11:34 |
| * tortoisedoc hifive ggabriel | 11:34 | |
| tortoisedoc | now where's our tablets :P | 11:34 |
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| ggabriel | on another subject, I'm quite happy with my new jolla without the cracked screen | 11:35 |
| ggabriel | I hope it lasts uncracked for a lot longer thant he other one | 11:35 |
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| _inte_ | sorry | 11:38 |
| greenit | hi, i have a data rate for my phone where 1 GB is included and I have to pay if I am above 1 GB. I've seen that there is the info on how much I've downloaded / uploaded, but is there a way to set a monthly limit? for example to allow a maximum of 1GB up/download from November 10th to December 10th, then it resets and I can download 1 GB again from December 10th to Jan 10th? | 11:39 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : do you think jolla store might get more jolla phones? | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: i don't have visibility on that at this moment | 11:40 |
| tortoisedoc | damn :/ | 11:40 |
| tortoisedoc | oh well there's always tori.fi :P | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | greenit: not on sfos, no, and I haven't seen that feature on any phone for that matter | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | just check your usage regularly? | 11:43 |
| greenit | ggabriel: i had such a feature on my old android phone (wiko darknight), so yes, such a feature exists ;) | 11:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps is the money that is missing for the tablets pertaining the shipping costs or purchasing the hw? | 11:58 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: dunno | 11:58 |
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| ggabriel | greenit: my android phone doesn't have that - if you refer to a 3rd party application, I wonder if the measurement is correct | 12:02 |
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| _inte_ | i think i saw sth like that but i might be wrong. Maybe on Symbian? | 12:06 |
| ggabriel | I don't recall it on symbian either, but my latest symbian was the awesome 5800 | 12:07 |
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| mikehgentry | I seem to remember it being on certain Android spins, but not stock Android. And even if it's integrated into the system at quite a low level, it was never 100% accurate in the sense of agreeing with the carrier's limit, since they often have funny ideas about what counts against your allowance. | 12:08 |
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| ggabriel | carrier normally measures bytes at 10 bits :P | 12:09 |
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| mikehgentry | I think they sometimes ignore communication with their own servers as well. And I swear I read something about one of the big companies making some video streaming services 'free' recently too - didn't pay much attention, since it was US. | 12:10 |
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| greenit | well, at least i am not the only one missing this feature: https://together.jolla.com/question/559/mobile-data-improvements/ ;) | 13:01 |
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| Nicd- | hey tbr, I found a new car for you: http://defence-blog.com/army/finland-company-showcase-new-pmpv-misu-6x6-armored-vehicle.html | 14:54 |
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| cehteh | germans police new uniforms got introduced today, no joke: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUmLoj1WwAEwpfO.jpg:orig | 14:57 |
| ggabriel | horrible helmet | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | they look like http://screeninvasion.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/spaceballs-darkhelmet.jpeg | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: lol, but will bluetooth work with jolla? | 14:58 |
| Nicd- | what? | 14:59 |
| cehteh | http://www.stern.de/panorama/gesellschaft/polizei-bayern-wie-star-wars-parodie--polizisten-aehneln-lord-helmchen-6573900.html | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: bluetooth in the armoured vehicle | 14:59 |
| Nicd- | oh | 14:59 |
| HtheB | coderus: what is the activation for on powermenu2? | 15:01 |
| HtheB | extra features? | 15:01 |
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| coderus | HtheB: nothing | 15:05 |
| tbr | Nicd-: cute, a bit heavy though, due to all that armour, which would be seldomly needed as I only rarely drive downtown ;) | 15:06 |
| Nicd- | tbr: it would be a plus in Hervanta though | 15:06 |
| tbr | Nicd-: point taken. especially before wappu | 15:07 |
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| * pavi wonders if anyone who is currently employed at Jolla is on Diaspora* ? | 16:49 | |
| pdanek | Why people are leaving already? Like cybette? | 16:49 |
| pdanek | I thought layoffs will start in December. | 16:49 |
| pavi | pdanek: cybette is no more in Jolla . :( | 16:50 |
| M4rtinK | pavi: iirc cybette is on Diaspora | 16:50 |
| pdanek | pavi: I know, that's why I asked | 16:50 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: for personal reasons. if you had some other job (or financial security), would you stick around for layoffs? | 16:50 |
| pdanek | oh, so she wasn't fired, she left sooner | 16:50 |
| Nicd- | M4rtinK: cybette is not employed at Jolla anymore | 16:50 |
| pdanek | all clear | 16:50 |
| pavi | pdanek: yeah she left by her choice, she would be contributing for sailfishos infact she is still answering questions at TJC https://diasp.eu/posts/3744790 | 16:51 |
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| pavi | ^^ That was her good bye post | 16:52 |
| pdanek | yep I saw it | 16:52 |
| pdanek | I just didn't know she left by choice | 16:52 |
| pdanek | I didn't read the whole post | 16:52 |
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| pdanek | I don't know. | 16:52 |
| pdanek | If we stick around Sailfish. | 16:52 |
| pdanek | What are the chances that the OS will still become the greatest and best? | 16:53 |
| pdanek | And compete with Android? | 16:53 |
| pavi | cybette: 's last sentence on a commentt ": I’m jumping into the lifeboat for now to reduce baggage on the Jolla boat. Who knows what will happen. Maybe I’ll be back on Jolla, or I find another boat to sail with, or I swim to shore. However in the lifeboat we can still keep fishing (support Sailfish OS) so let’s not lose hope :)" | 16:53 |
| pdanek | oh, I see | 16:53 |
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| pdanek | Jolla was already small fish on market fighting really hard to be seen and to catch with other OSes. | 16:54 |
| pdanek | Now,... is there even chance anymore? | 16:54 |
| pdanek | If it is, delayed by another 1 year? | 16:54 |
| pdanek | It will take long time to hire the talent back. | 16:54 |
| pavi | I think there is still chance . I am waiting for Intex release | 16:54 |
| M4rtinK | frankly I'm slowly getting a maritime methaphor poisoning by now ;-) | 16:54 |
| pdanek | Even with fundings and money, they would need to hire new people. | 16:54 |
| pavi | Maybe the old sailors will come back to the boat ? | 16:55 |
| jaacoppi | apple computers eas almost dead in the 90s so I guess Jolla still has a chance as well | 16:55 |
| tigeli | jaacoppi: well, apple got money from ms | 16:56 |
| tigeli | I don't see that happening now | 16:56 |
| pavi | And yes we could compare with apple. Jolla has its strengths in standing out from the crowd. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention android inc almost going bankrupt | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | it seems to be a rite for any oS | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | OS | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:56 |
| pavi | Stskeeps: Any idea who is the new community incharge ? Will he/she be on Diaspora* ? | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: no clue atm | 16:58 |
| pavi | ok maybe we all need to wait till the dust settles down. | 16:58 |
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| cybette | pavi: i left all social media channel access info to our head of comms, although i doubt he has time to post on diaspora much less respond to comments. atm afaik there's no "community in charge" | 17:00 |
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| pavi | cybette: is "head of comms" the same person who makes a blog post once a month "officially" ? :( | 17:01 |
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| cybette | pavi: if you're referring to juhani lassila, yes | 17:02 |
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| pavi | The good news is that I have seen Juhani lassila reply to some comments on blog. It maybe less communication from now. Hope he joins Diaspora* after christmas! | 17:05 |
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| pdanek2 | Android inc going bankrupt? what? | 17:07 |
| tigeli | pdanek2: many years ago | 17:07 |
| tigeli | many many.. | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | sadly, they didn't | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | sadly, neither did apple :P | 17:08 |
| tigeli | hard to say what would be the alternative now | 17:08 |
| tigeli | s60? ;) | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | that'd be awesome | 17:08 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | just don't say "community manager" | 17:08 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | some people are understandably touchy about it :) | 17:09 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | "community contact/coordinator/representative" is IMHO better | 17:10 |
| jaacoppi | master of community | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | community tamer? | 17:11 |
| PeperJohnny | Head of community | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | community whisperer | 17:12 |
| tbr | comunity ignorer and pr bullhorn | 17:12 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | community herder ? ;-) | 17:12 |
| pavi | Cmonnunity communicator ? | 17:13 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | community liaison | 17:13 |
| tbr | my *personal* opinion is that the title _and_ behaviour should make clear that it's about seeing eye to eye and working together. Terms like 'liaison' come to mind | 17:14 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | exactly | 17:14 |
| M4rtinK_phone_ | you cant manage community | 17:14 |
| tbr | neither should you try to herd it nor influence it | 17:15 |
| pdanek2 | what are the chances that intex will buy jolla? | 17:15 |
| pavi | Speaking of community look at the packed room at FOSDEM15 , https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/d-greaves-fosdem15.jpg Makes me so nostalgic and damn it has not even been 1 year. :( | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: community manipulator? | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:16 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: that's very often the actual mission | 17:17 |
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| tbr | pavi: yeah, that makes me nostalgic, they day I dropped 99% of my sailfish community involvement. :( | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: let's see if i can actually afford going this year | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | er, next year | 17:17 |
| pdanek2 | tbr: why did u drop? | 17:18 |
| * tbr has always found a way to do fosdem, even on a total shoestring | 17:18 | |
| tbr | pdanek2: I will NOT go there, for the benefit of my sanity and the atmosphere/mood in here. | 17:18 |
| pavi | Stskeeps: I actually got your visiting card from Jolla dinner , it says "Chief Research Engineer" ! | 17:18 |
| tbr | let's just say that I don't feel welcome | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: yeah.. a lot of business cards to throw out nw | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | +o | 17:19 |
| pdanek2 | tbr: when is it? next fosdem? | 17:19 |
| tbr | end of january, as usual | 17:19 |
| pavi | Stskeeps: you might not remember me I asked in the last moment about Jolla tablet having community os booting without libhybris and android drivers. | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: i don't, but should be possible, with a lot of hard work, for the few people that has it. | 17:20 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: while doing ELCE or similar "big boy" commercial conference, shoestringing fosdem is easy. | 17:20 |
| pdanek2 | Stskeeps: is miracle still possible? jolla mentioned that funding was just delayed, so major investor can fund 10m in December right? | 17:20 |
| pdanek2 | and after that all employees could be rehired | 17:20 |
| * tbr shared a room with MMx a few times | 17:20 | |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yeah i know | 17:20 |
| tbr | and no attendance fee | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | i've shared room with somebody at fosdem before | 17:20 |
| tbr | also non-stop reasonable flight | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | the year i got totally sick | 17:20 |
| tbr | pdanek2: technically nobody needs to be rehired. their leave ends and they are recalled to work. some might have found other employment by then though. | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | or have resigned | 17:21 |
| tbr | or that, yeah | 17:22 |
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| pavi | 2015 was my first FOSDEM , I was lucky to get into a hospitality hosting from a community member , who turned out to be a debian guy. I could also attend Jolla dinner \0/ | 17:22 |
| tbr | though I'm not sure what the terms for resigning during YT are | 17:22 |
| pdanek2 | what are the chances to get the 20M funding in December? | 17:22 |
| pdanek2 | 10M | 17:22 |
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| pdanek2 | 50%? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek2: throw a coin | 17:25 |
| tbr | I don't think anyone here knows | 17:25 |
| pavi | pdanek: There are no Jolla business/sale guys here to speculate. | 17:26 |
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| pp_ | tbr: if there's a "lomautus" you can pretty much leave at will | 17:27 |
| tbr | k | 17:27 |
| pp_ | week or two of notice, tops | 17:27 |
| pavi | pdanek: you might be interested in writing a lettor to the investor . There was a thread on it but nobody actually wrote the letter. They are just commenting on it. https://together.jolla.com/question/122870/write-an-open-letter-to-the-investor/ | 17:29 |
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| pdanek2 | pavi: that wouldn't be best idea if I'm composing the letter :P | 17:32 |
| phlixi_o | actually i am quite pessimistic (as usual regarding everything) that such letter would acomplish anything at all | 17:40 |
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| phlixi_o | the investor cares about money, obviously the userbase does not generate enough money, thus the investor has no interest in anything the userbase wants to write. | 17:42 |
| pavi | phlixi_o: maybe the first investor is not convinced, if there is a nice letter drafted by the community on a wiki style post. We could email it to some comoany folks to attract "big cash" ? | 17:42 |
| cehteh | why should it? | 17:42 |
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| cehteh | i mean when you pull out 10M from some project, you dont do that on a whim | 17:42 |
| cehteh | i doubt anything or anyone can convince an investor to revert that | 17:42 |
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| pavi | *company folks - business folks . Draft the letter to be business attractive. Showing him/her where the ROI - Return on Investment is | 17:43 |
| cehteh | you think they doesnt evaluate that carefully *before* investing into the project? | 17:43 |
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| pavi | Atleast attract them , there is just too much cash lying around in the developed world. The economy is on a down. | 17:44 |
| cehteh | thats not how investment works, its not about burning stockpiles of cash, its about multiplying it | 17:45 |
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| cehteh | they dont invest because they have too much money, but because they hoped for a profit to get even more money | 17:46 |
| phlixi_o | on the other hand, at least in theory it could be an escalated powergame between jolla and investor. but that seems not very realistic to me, i think the damage done already probably would be to high | 17:48 |
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| pavi | cehteh: the same argument is given to justify austerity. Invest less , cut down costs. Unless someone invests the economy wont boom. Unless someone invests in Jolla which is cutting down costs Jolla wont grow. | 17:49 |
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| phlixi_o | the actual situation causes a lot of damage to jolla, thus i doubt the investor would do that without knowing exactly that this has to be done (from the investors point of view, which most likely means: stop burning money). thus i am pretty sure it is a waste of time to write a letter... | 17:51 |
| cehteh | whatever .. it is as it is. jolla needs money, but i doubt that the 'old' investor would revert his decision to pull out, maybe with a new plan he may invest into a new model, but more likely someone else thinks investment into jolla is benefitful for him | 17:51 |
| cehteh | .. which also needs jolla to readjust its goals | 17:51 |
| phlixi_o | well, expect in the power game theory :-) | 17:51 |
| phlixi_o | except* | 17:51 |
| cehteh | no one knows who this investor is? | 17:52 |
| pdanek2 | if Jolla company costs investor more than 1m / month, Intex would need to sell A LOT of phones to at least pay back monthly investments, not speaking about multiplying it or paying back last 3-4 years. at this stage Jolla should have been doing profit already | 17:52 |
| phlixi_o | it doesnt matter | 17:52 |
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| pdanek2 | investor probably doesn't want public to know, community and media could make a bad image of him, as killed Jolla etc... | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | probably not a good idea to interfere with jolla's investors :) | 17:55 |
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| pavi | pdanek2: being an Indian who has a kind of idea about tech market. Intex wont be able to sell too many devices to make a difference unless something exceptional is done. And with launch postponed. Every month a new cheap phone is being released an Indian gets a smartphone and wouldnt need a second one | 17:55 |
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| pdanek2 | in news: naked drunk group of fins with Jolla in their hand put offices of XXX company on fire | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: intex is #1 in india, by now, though | 17:57 |
| * pavi gets a call from his grandmother saying every kid in the village already has a smart phone . | 17:57 | |
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| pavi | Stskeeps: Micromax is the #1 . Everyone is crazy about brand names , the poor guy would go for micromax or intex. But its always a 2nd choice after Samsung, iphone etc | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: i think it changed recently :) | 17:58 |
| pdanek2 | pavi: I have many Indian colleagues myself and most of them don't trust Micromax, Intex, etc... techies have money and buy Samsung, iPhone etc. | 17:58 |
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| cehteh | i saied already, too sad that Redhat has no ambitions to enter the mobile market .. would be nicer when someone with a background in free software invests into jolla | 17:59 |
| pavi | pdanek2: agree. They wont buy micromax or intex , they are tier 2 providers | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: http://telecom.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/devices/intex-micromax-claim-second-spot-in-handset-market/49891540 , albeit, indian vendor | 17:59 |
| pdanek2 | even micromax is considered as cheap unreliable, that's why they sell micromax cyanogenmod premium phones under brand Yu | 18:00 |
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| pavi | Stskeeps: Intex sold a hell lot of feature phones. Infact a colleague of my dad was just buying intex firefox os phone for 2k (25 euro) because it was cheap and it has a browser + wifi. | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: sure, i have one | 18:01 |
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| pavi | Stskeeps: in the linl you pasted "He also claimed that Micromax's share in the smartphone segment is almost double of the next player, but conceded that there is strong competition. " . So micromax leads intex by twice the sales in smartphone segment which is where Sailfish os fits in. | 18:04 |
| pdanek | India is big and powerful, but poor people are many (I was in India this month btw), so most of Micromax and Intex phones sold are really cheap phones. | 18:04 |
| pdanek | So the smartphones that Micromax and Intex sells most would be cheaper Mediatek ones. | 18:05 |
| pdanek | Jolla with Qualcomm can't compete with price. | 18:05 |
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| pdanek | And people who buy Micromax and Intex phones in India are not the type of people who will appreciate "unlike", "gestures" or "true Linux!". | 18:05 |
| pavi | pdanek2: I only hope the aquafish phones come below 10,000 INR . If they go above the 10K barrier its hard toexpect any sales. | 18:05 |
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| pavi | pdanek you are right about " not caring about linux" but gestures will attract the tech crowd | 18:06 |
| pavi | They are looking for something special on their phone which they can show off to the colleague. | 18:07 |
| pdanek | tech crowds yam but tech crowd will hesitate about buying Intex brand, wouldn't they? | 18:07 |
| pdanek | one of my Indian colleagues told me: only lower caste buys Micromax/Intex | 18:07 |
| pavi | pdanek if the best comes from Intex and they have no choice and if its affordable they will consider it. | 18:07 |
| pdanek | so showing Intex to your colleagues might be negative in some places? | 18:07 |
| pdanek | right | 18:07 |
| pavi | pdanek yes showing intex would be a low point for sure in the caste/class equation but things are changing , many samsung phones are breaking down. | 18:08 |
| pdanek | pavi: Yu Yutopia might break the rules :) | 18:09 |
| pavi | The difference of durability from brands is decreasing , so people are buying micromax. | 18:09 |
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| pavi | The only scary / deciding factor for sailfish os on Intex is the "pricing wrt features" . If you can get better camera or more cores for less price people wont buy aquafish for sure unless if the above mentioned tech crowd is interested. | 18:12 |
| cehteh | i wonder if there would be a cheap upgrade to the phone without a complete redesign | 18:15 |
| cehteh | new SoC and done | 18:15 |
| pavi | One attractive point where sailfishos can shine is the localisation support. India has 15 official languages. If atleast 5 big languages are completely translated with keyboards available by default in sailfishos then it can sell. | 18:16 |
| pavi | https://openrepos.net/content/abyzthomas/indian-language-fonts-sailfish and keyboards ? Stskeeps are the latest versions shipping with Indian keyboards enabled? | 18:17 |
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| pavi | cehteh: new SoC like in Neo900 project ? | 18:20 |
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| cehteh | neo900 is way more | 18:24 |
| cehteh | lots new hardware capabilities | 18:25 |
| cehteh | thats a complete redesign | 18:25 |
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| pavi | cehteh: if someone can dig a hole on J1 and replace the camera for minimal cost, I would take it. | 18:29 |
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| cehteh | is the problem the camera or the software/firmware thereof? | 18:30 |
| cehteh | on the n900 the camera sat on a socket, it would be replaceable, i just dont know if other compatible ones exsist | 18:31 |
| cehteh | while this cameras do a shitload of corrections in firmware. bad image quality may be only a software problem | 18:31 |
| pavi | cehteh: cameraplus is a decent enough software for me. I dunno if the firmware is bad or not ? | 18:32 |
| cehteh | i havent use the camera on my phone yet | 18:32 |
| M-bobsummerwill | tbr: Very belated moaning to you too! | 18:33 |
| tbr | :) | 18:33 |
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| pavi | cehteh: J1 camera on daylight is kind of ok . when it gets cloudy , not even dark the pictures are very grainy. I think its the weak sensor problem rather than a softwares ? | 18:36 |
| cehteh | i cant say, but almost any mobile camera has that problem and corrects it more or less in firmware | 18:38 |
| cehteh | in fact, a camera which stays more honest and gives out the noise would offer better opportunities to correct it later | 18:39 |
| cehteh | IFF thats the case | 18:39 |
| cehteh | maybe the sensor is just poor | 18:39 |
| pavi | cehteh: I guess in the case of firmware improvements on a captured picture Apple is the king. I love the pictures taken by an iphone 3G version when compared to newer jolla phone . | 18:40 |
| cehteh | as well the automatic selection of exposure vs gain might be just badly trimmed | 18:40 |
| cehteh | you never see what the camera takes | 18:41 |
| cehteh | its always processed by some firmware and stuff | 18:41 |
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| pavi | cehteh: I posted a question on TJC giving my feedback on camera long back https://together.jolla.com/question/74691/avoid-red-eye-with-flash/ | 18:44 |
| cehteh | sounds mostly like software problems | 18:46 |
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| cehteh | poor resolution can be poor optics, anyway this single lens optics with few mm focal length are lousy .. always | 18:46 |
| cehteh | no mobile phone camera optics can resovle the resolution the actual sensor has | 18:47 |
| cehteh | redeyes are iirc removed in software (with assisting of pre-flash) | 18:48 |
| pavi | cehteh: do you think installing an android camera app would give better / different pictures? | 18:48 |
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| cehteh | autofocus works by contrast, works only with enough light, if it doesnt work on the first pic then the software does it wrong (maybe it should illuminate the scene with the LED) or conditions are really poor | 18:49 |
| cehteh | blurring take care your lens is clean | 18:49 |
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| anonfriese | damn, you guys bring back memorys, old nokia phone, irda and my trusty palm vx :) | 19:58 |
| anonfriese | later i had a tungsten and one of the first phones with bluetooth from ericsson, damn, was i modern :) | 19:59 |
| anonfriese | and then came the treo, webos, a short android-time, n900, n9 and then were at today and my jolla (which also has been a few years with me already, come to think of it....) | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | evening TMavica | 20:18 |
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| phlixi | hi | 20:50 |
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| phlixi | some webpages look wrong on the jolla | 20:51 |
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| phlixi | is there something like greasemonkey or the like i could use to fix that? | 20:52 |
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| pdanek1 | Have you guys seen the new Xiaomi Redmi Note 3? | 21:08 |
| pdanek1 | How can they make such phones so cheaply! | 21:08 |
| pdanek1 | And Xiaomi has really top quality. | 21:08 |
| pdanek1 | Colleague of mine has it, really polished, works like a charm. | 21:09 |
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| Stskeeps | volume | 21:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | i like how the irc silica app has a mix between old and new style pulley menu graphics | 21:34 |
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| HtheB_ | r0kk3rz: yeah | 21:43 |
| HtheB_ | I still like the old style | 21:43 |
| HtheB_ | they are better visible | 21:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | it kinda fits with the diffused background style more | 21:44 |
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| cehteh | wow this irc client is nice, just connected it to my znc :) | 21:46 |
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| pdanek1 | Anyone else here watches Bob Ross instead of lulaby to fall a sleep? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | what? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:39 |
| pdanek1 | :D | 22:39 |
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| pdanek1 | https://www.youtube.com/user/BobRossInc | 22:40 |
| pdanek1 | What better place to live, UK or Germany? | 22:43 |
| pdanek1 | deciding between 2 contracts | 22:43 |
| pdanek1 | specifically, Northamption, or Edring (near Munich)? | 22:44 |
| pdanek1 | Northampton* | 22:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | Munich is cool :) | 22:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | no idea about that UK town | 22:45 |
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| stephg | pdanek1: vgrade isn't far from northampton | 22:47 |
| stephg | I know lots of people from there | 22:47 |
| stephg | is about an hour from London on the train | 22:47 |
| stephg | anyway time for sleep | 22:49 |
| stephg | niiight | 22:49 |
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| pdanek1 | hmm | 22:57 |
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| pdanek1 | Bob Ross is best for stressed people | 23:09 |
| pdanek1 | when you had shitty day and you wanna calm down, lie down in bed and watch/listen Bob Ross | 23:10 |
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| phlixi | so pdanek1 if you like bobross thats a pro for munic | 23:18 |
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| phlixi | br (the local television for bavaria) used to transmit bob ross in the night | 23:19 |
| phlixi | ...and "spacenight" | 23:19 |
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| phlixi | on the other hand, uk got bbc, i heard they have nice stuff to :) | 23:20 |
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| pdanek1 | phlixi: I don't do TV, internet TV or streams or torrent or youtube... | 23:28 |
| pdanek1 | I mean, I do the latter ones..... just not TV :D | 23:28 |
| phlixi | you asked for pros and cons, and munic got bob ross in the tv for, idk, maybe like 20 years | 23:28 |
| phlixi | i fall asleep to bob ross before it was cool :) | 23:29 |
| pdanek1 | nice | 23:30 |
| pdanek1 | Are people in Bavaria open? | 23:30 |
| phlixi | and technically i have a tv (actually a pretty big one^^) but i only watch 3 channels... | 23:30 |
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| phlixi | ...amazon prime, youtube and netflix :-) | 23:30 |
| pdanek1 | friend of mine is in Nurermberg and he says it's very difficult to make friends in workplace | 23:31 |
| pdanek1 | even after 1 year working there | 23:31 |
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| phlixi | I was born in Nürnberg and live here almost all of my life, thus i am not qualified to judge about bavarian openess... | 23:32 |
| phlixi | (about 90%) | 23:32 |
| pdanek1 | yep, Nürnberg I meant | 23:32 |
| pdanek1 | he is in Nürnberg | 23:32 |
| pdanek1 | and he complains about people in his workplace | 23:33 |
| pdanek1 | very difficult to make friends | 23:33 |
| pdanek1 | when he is foreigner | 23:33 |
| pdanek1 | and he is very open and talkative person | 23:33 |
| phlixi | i am keen to say thats the fault og the company | 23:33 |
| pdanek1 | right | 23:33 |
| phlixi | ...or the friend | 23:33 |
| phlixi | but he latter isnt the reason you say :-) | 23:33 |
| pdanek1 | I worked with him | 23:34 |
| pdanek1 | he isn't | 23:34 |
| phlixi | can you tell the company? | 23:34 |
| pdanek1 | Adidas | 23:35 |
| pdanek1 | they're not directly in Nurnberg | 23:35 |
| phlixi | erlang/höchstadt | 23:35 |
| pdanek1 | perhaps | 23:35 |
| phlixi | or "ERH" | 23:35 |
| pdanek1 | they live in Nurnberg though | 23:36 |
| phlixi | i know one guy doing stuff for Neo | 23:36 |
| phlixi | or actually its the husband of a good friend... he is nice :-) | 23:36 |
| pdanek1 | hmmm | 23:37 |
| pdanek1 | Neo = Neo900? | 23:37 |
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| phlixi | a brand of adidas :D | 23:37 |
| pdanek1 | ah :D | 23:37 |
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| phlixi | small world...^^ | 23:38 |
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