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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | \o | 08:00 |
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| greenit | hi, since the new UI and the updated system i can't mute the whatsapp notifications anymore. I have disabled any notification in whatsapp and set no sound for chat in the system-settings. However, everytime a message arrives, the phone is vibrating... I want it to vibrate on phone-calls, but not on whatsapp messages... is there a way to accomplish this, or do i have to disable vibration? | 08:32 |
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| phlixi_ | my android support kinda randomly stopped working (didnt install anything or the like) | 09:15 |
| phlixi_ | any ideas how to fix? searching tjc turned up various threads suggesting reinstall of android support and/or apps ... unfortunately that didnt work | 09:16 |
| phlixi_ | if possible i would like to not do a factory reset | 09:16 |
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| phlixi_ | no ideas? *sadface* | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_: reboot? | 09:45 |
| phlixi_ | well | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | I had that the other day and a reboot fixed it | 09:46 |
| phlixi_ | of course i did that a lot of times, the last thing i know i could do is factory reset, i would like to prevent that | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | tried to clean the android db via sf utilities? | 09:47 |
| phlixi_ | i restartet android sup. from settings => utilities, i tried deinstalling android suppport, android apps etc | 09:47 |
| ggabriel | ok, no ideas here then, but mind I'm not a massive android user | 09:47 |
| phlixi_ | also with reboots inbetween (for example before reinstalling android support etc) | 09:47 |
| phlixi_ | i only use threema, thats kinda important to me :( | 09:48 |
| phlixi_ | ...and sometimes for testing firefox | 09:48 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: does it say anything or just not start apps? | 09:49 |
| phlixi_ | if i try to start an android app, the cover comes up, and after a few (mybe 10 - quite long) seconds it dissapears again | 09:49 |
| phlixi_ | also if i long tap and then tap the X to deinstall an android app, the remorsetimer for deinstall comes up, but then nothing happens, the (not working) app stays | 09:50 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: that sounds like alien is not started or fails to start | 09:50 |
| phlixi_ | according to the utility app, i can stop it | 09:51 |
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| chem|st | hmm | 09:51 |
| phlixi_ | ...and then start it (but then apps dont work, if i try to start apps while android is stopped, the store opens up) | 09:51 |
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| phlixi_ | of course you might be right, that it is not properly started... but i can not tell :-) | 09:52 |
| chem|st | and that sounds like a bad installation | 09:52 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: are you familiar with the commandline? | 09:52 |
| phlixi_ | the weird thing is, everything was fine... threema (and firefox etc) was just running... i was low on battery, closed all apps, entered flight mode to get another hour of podcast... the next day, android apps do not start anymore | 09:53 |
| chem|st | what is installed to your android support? | 09:53 |
| chem|st | oh | 09:53 |
| chem|st | that sounds even less intuitive | 09:54 |
| phlixi_ | i am far away from beeing a pro on the CLI, but now i am SSHed into it .-) | 09:54 |
| phlixi_ | what do you mean by "installed to your android support?" do you mean installed android apps? | 09:55 |
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| phlixi_ | and if i do this: [nemo@Jolla ~]$ apkd-uninstall org.mozilla.firefox-1.apk | 09:56 |
| phlixi_ | that happens: method return sender=:1.5 -> dest=:1.1044 reply_serial=2 | 09:57 |
| phlixi_ | boolean true | 09:57 |
| phlixi_ | where "dest" is one more for each try. the same if i devel-su before | 09:57 |
| phlixi_ | ...of course, the app is not deinstalled | 09:57 |
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| Scelt | https://t.co/SKzEJ2Q7Hl | 10:12 |
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| Scelt | https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/ | 10:12 |
| Tomo | typo in the header ._____. | 10:14 |
| ggabriel | the other day I was watching a film via amazon and the CC contained a lot of it's where it should have been its or you're where it should have been your | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | I lost faith in the English language | 10:16 |
| Nicd- | oh well, at least the post is clear about the reasons | 10:16 |
| noume | Many people now use "of" instead of "have", things are pretty much going downhill everywhere. | 10:18 |
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| noume | It's a nice post nonetheless but still not very encouraging. The loss of an important investor could seriously kill it | 10:19 |
| locusf | I personally detest "ketä" in finnish | 10:19 |
| locusf | ISO kuka | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | not for looting, but: https://together.jolla.com/question/122860/in-helsinki-heres-one-way-to-help-jolla-on-2611-office-move/ | 10:19 |
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| Tofe | Ah, a bit soon for me :) | 10:20 |
| Mikaela | They are moving out of my neighbour? :( | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | Mikaela: closer to kamppi | 10:21 |
| Tofe | that's a nice place | 10:21 |
| Mikaela | As in they are currently over bridge on the next metro station | 10:21 |
| locusf | I took a bit of a reminiscing tour there last week | 10:22 |
| phlixi_ | not sure it is good that you have rum at the office... :D | 10:26 |
| Nicd- | oh so *that's* where all jollas money went! | 10:27 |
| Nicd- | ;) | 10:27 |
| phlixi_ | reminds me on pirates... kinda fits the sailor theme | 10:27 |
| locusf | unfortunately I'm a bit useless in carrying around heavy stuff :p | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | you can always carry light stuff :P | 10:29 |
| Mikaela | Me too, but maybe multiple useful people become useful? | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | trouble with moving is often the bulk, not the weight | 10:29 |
| ggabriel | unless you're moving mr white's lab | 10:30 |
| tortoisedoc | walter's lab? | 10:32 |
| tortoisedoc | thats mobile by default ;) | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | hehe | 10:33 |
| jonwil | bah, this reverse engineering job is too hard :( | 10:35 |
| narchie1 | rip jolla | 10:36 |
| gordon` | not yet | 10:41 |
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| Nicd- | so many butthurt comments in the blog | 10:54 |
| ggabriel | they still calling them liars? | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | even more so | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | wow | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | because jolla used money for software development | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | instead of only hardware | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | people can't read | 10:55 |
| Nicd- | they think the software will magically appear on the tablet and adapt to it | 10:55 |
| tbr | :D | 10:56 |
| phlixi_ | i still think it was a lie in april/mai/june etc to say "we aim to ship in 4 weeks" and the like... | 10:56 |
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| ggabriel | reminds me of south park's apple centipede | 10:57 |
| phlixi_ | but the centipede was actually build (in southpark of course) wasnt it? | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | interestingly, Stskeeps opened a thread on TMO for people to think about ways to disrupt the mobile market assuming meego/sfos/mer didn't exist | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | and all the posts I read (not all, mind) assume that software just happens | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | phlixi_: the centipede couldn't read | 10:58 |
| phlixi_ | ggabriel ok... i do not remember the details... just that it was a groce fun :) | 10:58 |
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| ggabriel | the whole point was that people accept t&c's without reading them | 10:58 |
| ggabriel | so the t&c's said you'd become the apple centipede | 10:58 |
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| ggabriel | and steve jobs contantly tried to make you read more t&c's | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | which was quite fun | 10:59 |
| ArtVandalae | I know this probably isn't the place, but... https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/ <--- title should probably be "Through the *tough* times" (not "Through the though times"?) | 10:59 |
| ggabriel | ArtVandalae: english language is dead, who cares, people can't tell the difference between its/it's and so on | 10:59 |
| Aciid | how is kamppi any cheaper than ruoholahti | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | Aciid: beats me but it is | 11:00 |
| ggabriel | mate' rate problably :P | 11:00 |
| Aciid | or does someone own the place where jolla is moving into? | 11:00 |
| pp_ | smaller office is? | 11:00 |
| Aciid | pp_: kamppi is in the citycenter | 11:00 |
| Aciid | that is no way possible even if its smaller | 11:00 |
| ln- | ArtVandalae: it's nokia-english, spelling doesn't matter | 11:01 |
| ggabriel | also, if we're really anal about the title, the definite article shouldn't be there | 11:02 |
| ArtVandalae | haha, as a native English speak, I can definitely see how its/it's gets mixed up. You'll write "Bob's burger", so if you substitute the "Bob" with the pronoun "it", you'd think you could keep the apostrophe *shrugs* | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | many native english speakers don't get that | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | or the difference between me and I | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | languages are killed generally by its native speakers | 11:04 |
| narchie1 | wow :D | 11:04 |
| Aciid | I tought that saarnio kills languages | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | no, by general agreement, as taught in universities, native speakers can't be challenged because "language evolves" | 11:05 |
| ggabriel | but foreign speakers can be challenged (as we're doing now) because they don't know the language | 11:05 |
| Aciid | didn't nobody notice what I did there | 11:05 |
| Aciid | for fuck sakes it's true then | 11:05 |
| ArtVandalae | :) | 11:05 |
| ggabriel | Aciid: /ignore :P | 11:05 |
| ggabriel | also, typos are ok | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | or maybe the h in your tohkbd needs massaging | 11:06 |
| phlixi_ | so, you're a racist! :D | 11:06 |
| Aciid | ggabriel: its a joke about saarnios title in the blogpost | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | I know, I know... | 11:06 |
| Aciid | .. | 11:06 |
| narchie1 | I guess if jolla announced tomorrow | 11:06 |
| Aciid | not my greatest ruse | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | I didn't notice fwiw | 11:06 |
| narchie1 | "we have aqcuired 200000mil funding" | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | because | 11:06 |
| narchie1 | when in reality | 11:06 |
| Aciid | poker-ad supported OS? | 11:07 |
| narchie1 | they don't | 11:07 |
| Aciid | aa | 11:07 |
| narchie1 | it wouldn't be a problem | 11:07 |
| narchie1 | because | 11:07 |
| narchie1 | "spelling doesn't matter, he was trying to type they don't have money" | 11:07 |
| pp_ | 50% smaller office is 50% cheaper :P (ok, location might add a bit but even kamppi is a pretty large area, I thought HEL office space costs more right next to subway station etc.) | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | Aciid: hahahaha, interesing reactions about ad supported os's :) | 11:07 |
| phlixi_ | both android and apple are pretty prude... i guess there is a marked for a pornphone. and even more sure it would be easy to get media attention :D | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | best idea I heard so far | 11:12 |
| tbr | wanking off for the mobile device OS future! | 11:14 |
| Yaniel | something something other half | 11:15 |
| phlixi_ | one could even use the stella OHs, pink fits the theme | 11:15 |
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| Yaniel | let's... not pursue that train of thought any further | 11:15 |
| shpank | yeah... especially since the vibration motor is not up to the task | 11:16 |
| phlixi_ | Yaniel: you have to be the management... an idea to the rescue, killed in the beginning :D | 11:17 |
| Yaniel | this is an all-ages channel | 11:17 |
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| tbr | someone think of the chil processes! | 11:18 |
| tbr | someone think of the child processes! | 11:18 |
| phlixi_ | ok, convinced | 11:18 |
| shpank | Yaniel: so? nobody said anything nasty so far :D | 11:19 |
| phlixi_ | ...said "spank" | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | i failed to look for the most apt post wrt vibrators in tmo | 11:19 |
| Yaniel | let's keep it that way | 11:19 |
| Tegu | don't let child processes become zombies | 11:19 |
| lainwir3d | "Was the software necessary for the tablet? I don’t think so." (blog post comment) - Please tell me they're joking. | 11:22 |
| tbr | intelligence is optional | 11:22 |
| ggabriel | leave thinking to the professionals | 11:22 |
| locusf | ffs 1.x didn't even run on ported tablets (pre 1.1.9) | 11:22 |
| Mikaela | Digitoday commenters moved? | 11:23 |
| tbr | that said, *I* would have been fine with just the hardware :) | 11:23 |
| locusf | at least if the framebuffer orientation was fixed | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | nah, these guys are regulars on blog.jolla.com | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | tbr: shiny shiny? :) | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | they basically live there | 11:23 |
| phlixi_ | to be honest, i am pretty sure it would have been possible to cut some software... (not that i say this would have been a good thing) | 11:23 |
| tbr | locusf: the very first "port" was the emulator image running on an exopc, before even SbJ was in stores | 11:23 |
| lainwir3d | "Again, speak for yourself. I don’t need freaking OS, I need the device! And I bet that others think the same way as I do." *facepalm* | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | if they had skipped the sw people would be annoyed by all the bugs | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | and jolla's reputation would be down the drain | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | even more so than it is now | 11:24 |
| locusf | tbr: yeah, by SfietKonstantinW , see framebuffer orientation problem, also it was X11 | 11:24 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: +1 | 11:24 |
| tbr | ggabriel: no, I know what to do with hardware. I don't expect the unwashed masses though. ;-) | 11:24 |
| tbr | Yaniel: that's obvious to us, but not them | 11:24 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: I'll assume you've just made that up and didn't copy paste | 11:24 |
| lainwir3d | ggabriel: I did actually | 11:24 |
| lainwir3d | depressing heh ? | 11:24 |
| SQUelcher | tbr: you were in need for a paperweight? | 11:25 |
| Tegu | use the hw as a coaster? | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | understatement | 11:25 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 11:25 |
| locusf | tbr: mainly talking from my own experience with p3110, so ... | 11:25 |
| tbr | SQUelcher: no, I could easily run my own stuff on the hardware, already have a minnowboard max | 11:25 |
| * ggabriel looks for this form to volunteer for mars | 11:25 | |
| tbr | which is almost the same SoC | 11:25 |
| amjad_ | so questions for people who only want hardware , if jolla tablet shipped with Android os, would they still buy it instead of buying other android powered tablets | 11:25 |
| entil | the display's amazing on the thing :P | 11:26 |
| Tegu | people powered | 11:26 |
| locusf | get the reference designs by chinese manufacturers and flash :p | 11:26 |
| tbr | locusf: oh, I absolutely agree that the sw experience would have been terrible with 1.x :) | 11:26 |
| entil | but I wouldn't buy it with android, I don't need it hard enough - I bought it for ideological reasons more than practical | 11:26 |
| lainwir3d | entil: +1 | 11:26 |
| tbr | +1 | 11:26 |
| Yaniel | +1 | 11:27 |
| tbr | though I'd be fine with hw to tinker with, as stated above | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | i could play with hw but that wasn't the whole point | 11:27 |
| Tegu | yeaa, I guess quite many people have bought a jolla due to ideological reasons. but that's just a guess | 11:27 |
| locusf | https://twitter.com/vgrade/status/669114694603546624 <- great minds think alike | 11:28 |
| SQUelcher | i still have no use case for a tablet... | 11:28 |
| * tbr has one | 11:28 | |
| * tbr nailed his exopc tablet to the wall | 11:28 | |
| tbr | it's now a living room clock, written in QML | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | kitchen tablet with a clock and the occasional browsing | 11:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :) | 11:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | gf uses this to browse the internet | 11:29 |
| ggabriel | tablet as kitchen timer ftw | 11:29 |
| locusf | if I had the tbj's I'd have err ... 7? | 11:29 |
| Tegu | I saw someone put a tablet behind a mirror | 11:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | "don't you want the laptop ?" "no, tablet is good" | 11:29 |
| tbr | mine also powers a laser barcode scanner to push items to the shopping list | 11:29 |
| Yaniel | tablet for moodle browsing and dictionary lookups in language courses | 11:29 |
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| entil | I use SMPC on it to control music playback, and sometimes I play lines | 11:30 |
| Yaniel | maybe for checking some course materials during lectures (a laptop distracts from taking notes since it takes so much space) | 11:30 |
| Tegu | tbr: nice. but I guess that could be done to some extent with a camera as well | 11:30 |
| Tegu | of course a laser scanner is neater and probably more precise | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | and it's laser | 11:31 |
| locusf | http://uk.businessinsider.com/programmer-automates-his-job-2015-11 <- HAH | 11:31 |
| tbr | locusf: I think I asked Stskeeps and tablet adaptations are OK with HADK, so nothing stops us | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i'm more surprised nobody has tried yet | 11:31 |
| locusf | hmm | 11:32 |
| tbr | Tegu: it's sitting on a shelf, pointing into the kitchen and you can wave items in front of it and it goes *blip*. sure could do that with opencv or some qrcode library, but meeeeh | 11:32 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: it's the usual of people complaining, but nobody actually doing anything. | 11:32 |
| locusf | the process is in theory the same as installing nemo on sbj | 11:32 |
| Tegu | better not look at the laser, though | 11:32 |
| locusf | when doing the porting to new hardware of Z3775F/G | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | do note that z3775f is a pain in the ass in general | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:33 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I'm more peeved that apparently nobody before me has tried to build for sailfish x86 on obs and complained to get it fixed | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: that i'm more surprised about, since i'm sure somebody like kimmoli has done it | 11:33 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: you mean x86 in general? :p | 11:34 |
| tbr | ofc I could be "holding it wrong™" | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | well, sailfish x86 target | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: am i right that we had sailfish x86 targets before or am i just hallucinating? | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | on obs | 11:34 |
| locusf | you did | 11:34 |
| locusf | but who builds for the emulator on obs ... | 11:35 |
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| Stskeeps | well, one and the same target | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:35 |
| locusf | err you did as in you did have the target | 11:35 |
| locusf | I need a lunch or something | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | i had kebab. | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | so good. | 11:36 |
| entil | so did I! | 11:36 |
| entil | it was ok kebab | 11:36 |
| tbr | polish and finnish kebab tastes weird, both in different ways | 11:37 |
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| entil | ours tastes weird because we use rat | 11:37 |
| * tbr prefers pieces of meat layered and roasted, but that's even in germany getting rare | 11:37 | |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i have a reasonable kebab vendor nearby, well, two | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | so that's nice | 11:37 |
| Stskeeps | time to go read blog comments | 11:38 |
| locusf | take some popcorn with you | 11:38 |
| pp_ | hatehatehate :-) | 11:38 |
| entil | getting the tablet hw without sw would've been so much fun for factory resets | 11:38 |
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| Stskeeps | since when has hw projects not been sw projects, too? | 11:39 |
| entil | Stskeeps: you got to ask on the blog | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | not sure if I popcorn or whisky would be more appropriate while reading the blog comments | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | I | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | -I | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | entil: i could have more fun putting myself on fire | 11:40 |
| tbr | Yaniel: both! | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | but sure, we could have shipped a portrait-only tablet with massive graphical problems.. | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| tbr | sounds fun! | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | which would piss off people even more | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| * Stskeeps glances at his hp touchpad | 11:42 | |
| SQUelcher | The touchscreen should be inverted ;) | 11:43 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: actually I wonder if there would be a reasonable way to make an opt-in "you get early hardware with alpha/beta software, you're morally obliged not to complain about it" | 11:43 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: the obvious problem is, that hw is often also delayed | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i think it was considered at some point | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | but there's a couple of gotchas about it, such as FCC/CE | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | which may mean that people would never receive them | 11:44 |
| tbr | yeah, you'd need final hardware very early | 11:44 |
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| Stskeeps | which is the rule of making hardware, you find out problems during production | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:45 |
| tbr | pfff, hardware is always perfect and if isn't you fix it in software!!!eleventy! | 11:46 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: such as correcting display splotches with opengl shader tricks | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:46 |
| tbr | yes, the webcam arm for calibrating it might be a problem though | 11:46 |
| tbr | you could hold it at a mirror and let it take a "selfie" of a calibration pattern... | 11:47 |
| locusf | heh shaders | 11:48 |
| locusf | I actually had to use Glacier on rpi2 because of them | 11:48 |
| citylight2 | what did I miss? I see the recent blog post | 11:48 |
| locusf | since EGL/GLESv2 on rpi2 didn't need them | 11:48 |
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| Stskeeps | meanwhile http://www.brendangregg.com/Slides/QCon2015_Broken_Performance_Tools.pdf | 11:53 |
| locusf | gaaah | 11:56 |
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| locusf | lol @ solaris implementation | 11:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : I would have, but ipad mini2 might not fit the supported devices :P | 12:02 |
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| pp_ | oooh, that is a nice summary | 12:03 |
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| Tofe | oh gosh, they turned the blog into a TMO thread... | 12:17 |
| locusf | :D | 12:17 |
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| greenit | since the new UI and the updated system i can't "mute" the whatsapp notifications anymore. I have disabled any notification in whatsapp and set no sound for chat in the system-settings. However, everytime a message arrives, the phone is vibrating... I want it to vibrate on phone-calls, but not on whatsapp messages... is there a way to accomplish this, or do i have to disable vibration? | 12:21 |
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| coderus | greenit: yeah | 12:28 |
| coderus | /usr/share/lipstick/androidnotificationpriorities | 12:29 |
| coderus | try removing whatsapp from there | 12:29 |
| greenit | coderus: thanks, I'll try it :) | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | lol turboboost | 12:31 |
| tortoisedoc | that recalls pentiums | 12:31 |
| greenit | but before I do this, will i see any notification from whatsapp after i deleted it coderus ? | 12:31 |
| coderus | greenit: default android notifications, sire | 12:34 |
| coderus | sure | 12:34 |
| Nicd- | sakustar: Tru-Spec pants are the shit. I have two and they are great. bought from the US, might be expensive here | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | sakustar: would think Varusteleka has many good options | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | but personally have not ordered from there yet | 12:37 |
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| Aciid | http://i.imgur.com/dyNsgDA.jpg jolla blog sentiment analysis | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh that is neat | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | should run it on per-comment though | 12:54 |
| Aciid | too expensive | 12:54 |
| yestoall | LOL... that's sweet :-) | 12:55 |
| Aciid | "speculation prediction : you say it's about sailfish 2.0 well gues what they used the wrong strategy to build it" | 12:56 |
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| ln- | wow, does that analysis include a sarcasm detector too? | 12:57 |
| Aciid | all the software architects in the blog | 12:57 |
| locusf | :D | 12:58 |
| Aciid | I think jolla could actually survive with all thbis free workforce :D | 12:58 |
| Aciid | Stskeeps: you better find a new dayjob | 12:58 |
| Aciid | these commentators are free | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Aciid: i already did, :P | 12:58 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps congratulations | 12:59 |
| Aciid | good for you tbh | 12:59 |
| Milo- | Competent people are easily hired. | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: oh, i'm incompetent in that case, returned to be my own company | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:59 |
| Aciid | Stskeeps: back to consulting or really a day job? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | back to consulting | 12:59 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps hah :) | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | which is fine | 12:59 |
| Aciid | thatta boy <3 master of your own time | 12:59 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeeps: tbr ? obs tablet x86 ? wut? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: as in you built something in obs that worked on tablet? | 13:23 |
| kimmoli | e.g. paint is building there | 13:24 |
| kimmoli | havent build it for a while, if (you) broke something | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:25 |
| * kimmoli always blames consultants | 13:25 | |
| ggabriel | you can't blame consultants, consultants do nothing wrong | 13:26 |
| MMx | kimmoli: btw, will there be a version of Paint soon that properly supports landscape mode? | 13:28 |
| MMx | it keeps switching the whole tablet to portrait... | 13:29 |
| lainwir3d | need ytplayer for tablet D-: | 13:31 |
| MMx | just like Tweetian, but that's Veskuh's job to fix | 13:31 |
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| pdanek | Test | 13:38 |
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| MMx | failed | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | ...unless you own VW ;) | 13:41 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: missed that highlight - yes we had x86 targets | 13:42 |
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| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor/home:lbt:sailfishos has all the targets in it | 13:45 |
| tbr | lbt: I tried building against sailfish_latest i486 / i586 and it didn't want to | 13:45 |
| lbt | tbr: hmm - linky? | 13:45 |
| tbr | sec | 13:46 |
| lbt | I coulda messed up the latest_ link I guess | 13:46 |
| tbr | lbt: https://build.merproject.org/project/meta/home:tbr:sailfish | 13:47 |
| tbr | packages show "unresolvable" | 13:47 |
| tbr | as I was just building some headless things I switched to mer-latest and got that working | 13:47 |
| lbt | check the repository="" on the first entry | 13:47 |
| lbt | should be latest_i486 methinks | 13:48 |
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| tbr | lbt: it is, it's just the bloody editor obscurin gthe underscore | 13:49 |
| lbt | in the <path> sub element | 13:49 |
| lbt | not the <repository> tag itself :) | 13:50 |
| lbt | (oh XML you are so clear sometimes) | 13:50 |
| tbr | duuuh | 13:50 |
| lbt | yeah | 13:50 |
| lbt | :S | 13:50 |
| lbt | :D even | 13:50 |
| tbr | sure if you point at the wrong thing → computer says no | 13:50 |
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| tbr | yes, now that looks more like it, thanks! | 13:51 |
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| * tbr goes back to "porting" ctags from opensuse to sailfish | 13:52 | |
| tbr | (just need to rip out update-alternatives from spec file) | 13:53 |
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| * tbr wants haz vim with teh syntax hilighting | 13:53 | |
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| kimmoli | MMx: nope. | 14:04 |
| MMx | :| | 14:05 |
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| tbr | MMx: haz ctags! want triez? | 14:12 |
| tbr | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/tbr:/sailfish/latest_i486/i486/ctags-5.8-10.2.1.jolla.i486.rpm | 14:13 |
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| anYc | can someone explain to me what's meant with the lost of the whole technology platform in the open letter? | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | anYc: back in the day, sailfish was going to run on something non-android | 14:28 |
| ggabriel | the company that provided that soc went bust and then libhyb was implemented | 14:29 |
| Nicd- | the original platform was by st-ericsson | 14:29 |
| Nicd- | then st-ericsson died | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | thanks, wasn't sure it was st-ericsson | 14:29 |
| anYc | ah, thanks | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | x11 | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:30 |
| Tofe | Stskeeps: oh, was the switch to wayland/hybris *that* challenging ? ;) | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | such a long time ago | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: i'm amazed we did it in six months. | 14:30 |
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| MMx | tbr: [nemo@Jolla ~]$ ctags --version | 14:31 |
| MMx | Exuberant Ctags 5.8, Copyright (C) 1996-2009 Darren Hiebert | 14:31 |
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| MMx | so far, so good | 14:31 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : did switching off from Sterikson imply switching away from x11 or was it a "comodity" choice? | 14:31 |
| tbr | MMx: no idea if vim will use it by default | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: they were the only x11 possibility out there and their implementation was shit | 14:31 |
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| MMx | doesn't look like it | 14:31 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : hehe | 14:31 |
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| tbr | MMx: you tried :syn on ? | 14:32 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : but x11 would not have worked on top of libhybris? | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | no | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not that suicidal | 14:32 |
| tbr | yeah x11 was never very popular with embedded SoC vendors | 14:33 |
| tbr | especially in the GLES context | 14:33 |
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| MMx | tbr: meh. vi in Sailfish is compiled without syntax support. | 14:37 |
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| tbr | :/ | 14:37 |
| cehteh | use emacs :D | 14:37 |
| tbr | cehteh: we're not Aard ;-þ | 14:37 |
| tbr | Stskeeps / lbt - is mer core and tools again open for submissions or is it still eternal merge? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: it's open for merge | 14:38 |
| MMx | .oO( C-x M-c M-butterfly ) | 14:38 |
| tbr | I guess fork right™ repository on git.mer and pull request? | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:38 |
| tbr | roger | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | and hope gitlab doesn't blow up | 14:38 |
| kimmoli | MMx: install vim-enhanced | 14:39 |
| Tofe | kimmoli: vi-improved-enhanced ? :) | 14:39 |
| lbt | there's a lot of broken packages in mer-core:devel | 14:39 |
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| MMx | kimmoli: vi --version | 14:40 |
| MMx | VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 (2010 Aug 15, compiled and built in OBS | 14:40 |
| lbt | I had a task to go through them and log bugs | 14:40 |
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| MMx | ok, so there is an improved improved, err enhanced improved? | 14:40 |
| lbt | (nb bz now has a component-per-gitrepo which is managed semi-automatically) | 14:40 |
| kimmoli | it is then vim, not vi | 14:40 |
| kimmoli | which has +syntax | 14:40 |
| MMx | no, it has -syntax | 14:41 |
| kimmoli | just yesterday we checked it | 14:41 |
| tbr | Available vim-7.3.629-1.1.3.source The VIM editor | 14:41 |
| tbr | AAvailable vim-enhanced-7.3.629-1.1.3.armv7hl A version of the VIM editor which includes recent enhancements | 14:41 |
| MMx | ah, you mean the "enhanced" is the "vim" with +syntax? | 14:41 |
| kimmoli | propably | 14:41 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : x11 is running on iphone? | 14:42 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: what gives you that idea? | 14:42 |
| Tofe | wouldn't call that a "recent enhancement"... | 14:42 |
| MMx | :> | 14:42 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : nothing, could have asked the same for any device | 14:42 |
| tbr | it's not a recent improvement either, so par for the course | 14:43 |
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| MMx | tbr: I only see source and armv7hl there... and I am still missing an SDK that runs directly on the tablet ;) | 14:43 |
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| tbr | MMx: do you have mer-tools enabled? | 14:44 |
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| MMx | not that I know of | 14:44 |
| MMx | only few custom packages installed, like Tweetian | 14:45 |
| MMx | everything else via the Store | 14:45 |
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| tbr | ssu ar mer-tools | 14:47 |
| tbr | pkcon refresh | 14:47 |
| tbr | then you can install such latest bleeding edge things like less, supposedly it's better than 'more' | 14:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | MMx: twablet FTW :P | 14:48 |
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| tbr | https://twitter.com/duo_labs/status/668966608014970880 - lol | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | err.. ugh? | 14:54 |
| tadzik |  | 14:54 |
| tadzik | argh | 14:54 |
| tadzik | what's with me pasting things today | 14:55 |
| lainwir3d | tbr: not surprising | 14:55 |
| tbr | but entertaining | 14:56 |
| lainwir3d | yeah :-) | 14:56 |
| lainwir3d | worked for an industrial automation company before | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: that's not a nuclear plant is it.. | 14:56 |
| lainwir3d | for the sake of "easiness", clients always asked for the system to be available on the internet network | 14:56 |
| lainwir3d | and sometimes did it themselves without any security measures | 14:57 |
| lainwir3d | nope, looks like water treatment plant | 14:57 |
| lainwir3d | or something like that, but i'm not sure without the full picture :P | 14:57 |
| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: "Kentucky city's water supply" | 14:58 |
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| Tofe | err, it's just a screenshot from a public demo... | 15:09 |
| Tofe | though it would surprise me that much if it was poorly secured. | 15:10 |
| Tofe | not | 15:10 |
| tbr | http://www.micro-comm-inc.com/micro-comm/scadaview-csx/ - indeed | 15:11 |
| kimmoli | kentucky chicken frying plant would be better | 15:13 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: Now when you're consulting. I guess you will be daily contractor in Jolla initially and later open to anything that comes in? Like consulting for Tizen etc.? | 15:24 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: let's see how my mix looks like; many companies are interested | 15:24 |
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| Tofe | Could you put Qt/Wayland wherever you can ? ;) | 15:34 |
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| louisdk | Imagine if Jolla brought a big bunch of Oneplus One, replaced the backcover with their own Jolla and sold them with SailfishOS :P | 16:49 |
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| cehteh | ahaha .. google put a backdoor into all android devices :D# | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | cehteh: huh? | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | remote wipe? | 16:58 |
| cehteh | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Google-kann-Android-Geraete-aus-der-Ferne-entsperren-3015984.html | 16:58 |
| cehteh | remote unlock | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | ouch | 16:59 |
| tbr | I thought that was part of the remote device management foo? | 16:59 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but if it's on by default..? :P | 17:00 |
| tbr | hmm, looks like this is something different | 17:01 |
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| gordon` | does anyone know if the phones shippings are frozen as well as the tablet campaign? | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | no, afaik they're shipping, or at least, getting restocked, and in the shop | 17:06 |
| gordon` | thanks | 17:06 |
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| cehteh | shop has it back in stock since yesterday | 17:14 |
| cehteh | and i have one original packaged/unopened device here too .. if anyone wants | 17:14 |
| cehteh | err out of stock again at the shop .. i guess they sell every device they find in any corner of the shop now :D | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | uhm... | 17:18 |
| ggabriel | surely if there were stock, they'd need money more than ever right now | 17:19 |
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| ggabriel | btw, the OH of the stella one is quite nice | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | very girly, but it's smooth and shiny | 17:19 |
| cehteh | haha | 17:19 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :) | 17:19 |
| cehteh | dont like .. :D | 17:19 |
| cehteh | i would opted for a black oh | 17:19 |
| ggabriel | well, i have my tohkbd | 17:20 |
| cehteh | but they are all out of stock and imo overprized .. would be nice if one could choose a OH when ordering | 17:20 |
| ggabriel | OH's have been out of stock for quite a while now | 17:20 |
| cehteh | yes | 17:20 |
| Lieke_ | yeah, thery're overprized.. i still got black, lime and aloe | 17:21 |
| cehteh | why didnt they restock them? .. i think these things should generate the most profit of any of the shop items | 17:21 |
| cehteh | anyway . i brought the flipcase, so you dont see much of the OH anyway, i dont care | 17:21 |
| cehteh | i only need to drill 2 holes into it for the 5V pins to build some external charge connector | 17:22 |
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| emaj | Hi all, android spotify works ok for everyone? | 17:58 |
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| lukedirtwalker | emaj: why not using native version? :P | 18:32 |
| emaj | cutespot? | 18:33 |
| emaj | lukedirtwalker, dont know yet. Just evaluating to buy Jolla. | 18:33 |
| lukedirtwalker | emaj: yeah cutespot, but it requires premium account. | 18:34 |
| emaj | lukedirtwalker, is it running stable for premium user? | 18:34 |
| emaj | lukedirtwalker, and also with offline playing? | 18:34 |
| lukedirtwalker | emaj: quite good yeah, offline playing yes. but no support for my music stuff | 18:34 |
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| emaj | lukedirtwalker, great. And whatsapp is also ok? Native or Android? | 18:36 |
| lukedirtwalker | I use android version works quite ok, but sometimes it looses connection. I think there is also whatsup but no idea about it | 18:37 |
| emaj | lukedirtwalker, I see. | 18:37 |
| emaj | lukedirtwalker, thx. :) | 18:37 |
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| pdanek | If I'm buying new domain for personal use | 18:40 |
| pdanek | should I buy .co.uk or .uk? | 18:40 |
| Jope | or .xxx | 18:40 |
| pdanek | nope | 18:40 |
| kjetilho | I recommend .horse | 18:40 |
| Jope | I always thought .co.uk was stoopid | 18:40 |
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| cehteh | .wtf | 18:41 |
| pdanek | not stopped | 18:41 |
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| Jope | why would you want to have something between your domain + the tld | 18:41 |
| Jope | but that's just me | 18:41 |
| pdanek | because if I use .uk | 18:41 |
| kjetilho | Jope: why have a tld? I want .kjetilho! | 18:41 |
| Jope | heeh | 18:41 |
| cehteh | i want my own tld | 18:41 |
| pdanek | people will usually misunderstand | 18:41 |
| pdanek | and email me on co.uk instead | 18:42 |
| cehteh | cehteh@net as email | 18:42 |
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| pdanek | because until few years ago, .uk wasn't possible | 18:42 |
| Jope | yep | 18:42 |
| Jope | same thing if your website doesn't respond to www.whatever | 18:42 |
| Jope | some people are hell bent on typing www. in front | 18:42 |
| kjetilho | the nice thing about .co.uk is that you don't get "cute" domain names like tukt.uk | 18:43 |
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| cehteh | damn .. www.wtf is already registered | 18:43 |
| kjetilho | or no-such-l.uk | 18:43 |
| pdanek | it redirects me to fitness website called donuts | 18:44 |
| pdanek | lol | 18:44 |
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| pdanek | no but seriously now, .co.uk or .uk? | 18:45 |
| pdanek | I'm buying now | 18:45 |
| pdanek | primarily for email | 18:45 |
| pdanek | peter@danek.co.uk or peter@danek.uk | 18:45 |
| FireFly | .uk looks weird | 18:46 |
| Yaniel | cehteh: what about w-w-.wtf | 18:46 |
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| cehteh | f.uk :) | 18:46 |
| FireFly | Hmm, are trailing hyphens even legal? | 18:46 |
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| pdanek | so .co.uk it is | 18:47 |
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| mornfall | oh it is early next week already | 18:53 |
| pdanek | Can anyone please try to call following? | 18:55 |
| pdanek | +447024033261 | 18:55 |
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| pdanek | I won't pick up, just ring it please. | 18:55 |
| cehteh | i bet thats a 40Eur per call number :DDDD | 18:57 |
| cehteh | cant you call yourself? | 18:57 |
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| cehteh | anyway .. i can just post that number on 4chan ... you surely get some calls | 18:59 |
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| Aard | cehteh: posting phone numbers in forums leads to surprisingly few calls | 19:02 |
| cehteh | i tried? | 19:03 |
| cehteh | u | 19:03 |
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| Aard | +442032986266 -- I think not even one called | 19:03 |
| cehteh | well i'd better dont post my numbers on irc and dont call anyone on irc i dont know | 19:03 |
| cehteh | currently my numbers get close to zero spam, only few people know them | 19:04 |
| cehteh | i like to keep it that way | 19:04 |
| Aard | you can always get more numbers | 19:04 |
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| cehteh | but its a trouble when they are burned and friends still use them | 19:04 |
| Aard | you can filter | 19:05 |
| cehteh | not with every device | 19:05 |
| Aard | well... | 19:05 |
| Aard | you just need to have multiple devices listening to the same number, and have the device doing the filtering being the one answering the fastest | 19:06 |
| pdanek | ya, I didn't receive any call | 19:06 |
| pdanek | I tried calling from Skype but it didn't work | 19:06 |
| pdanek | and I don't have second phone | 19:06 |
| cehteh | no landline? | 19:06 |
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| cehteh | what do you want to test anyway? | 19:07 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | who uses landline? | 19:07 |
| cehteh | lots of business | 19:08 |
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| cehteh | ok private its almost gone | 19:08 |
| pdanek | someone calling me now | 19:10 |
| Aard | pdanek: does it do anything? | 19:10 |
| pdanek | ya | 19:10 |
| pdanek | thanks! | 19:10 |
| Aard | did you listen in? | 19:11 |
| pdanek | nope | 19:11 |
| Aard | :( | 19:11 |
| pdanek | I tought you don't want me to pick up | 19:11 |
| pdanek | test succeeded | 19:11 |
| pdanek | it's virtual UK number | 19:11 |
| pdanek | redirected to my Irish number | 19:11 |
| pdanek | so I needed to test if it works | 19:11 |
| Aard | pdanek: listen in this time :p | 19:11 |
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| SQUelcher | i'm using landline all the time, especially since i've got a flat rate to all (fixed and mobile) networks in germany | 19:19 |
| kjetilho | that's funny :) phone calls and SMS are practically free in Norway now (you pay a flat subscription fee -- the distinguishing factor is the data plan.) | 19:21 |
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| pdanek | I'm using prepaid sim | 19:23 |
| pdanek | when I top up minimum 20 EUR per month | 19:23 |
| pdanek | I got unlimited LTE internet | 19:23 |
| pdanek | + still can use those 20 EUR I topped up for calls | 19:23 |
| pdanek | it's called unlimited, but they have some fair usage policy with small letters :) | 19:24 |
| pdanek | which is 20GB I think, but even when I had about 25-30GB, they didn't slow it down | 19:24 |
| pdanek | three.ie | 19:25 |
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| kjetilho | wow, that's very good | 19:26 |
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| Aard | pdanek: I had a bit over 1TB traffic over my LTE SIM last month | 19:27 |
| cehteh | wow | 19:28 |
| cehteh | and i just upgraded my 100mb prepaied to 1gb :D | 19:28 |
| SQUelcher | I've had about 50GB on LTE, 49GB were tests ;) | 19:28 |
| cehteh | prolly not need it but 100mb costs 5eur, 1 GB costs 10Eur | 19:29 |
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| Aard | I have combination DSL + 4G at home, and prefer having low latency via DSL for stuff like SSH, so I'm throwing all heavy download stuff like torrents via 4G | 19:29 |
| cehteh | heh | 19:29 |
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| pdanek | If you're looking for best powerbank | 19:56 |
| pdanek | Xiaomi have the best ones. | 19:56 |
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| pdanek | wow | 20:23 |
| pdanek | just now I'm reading the open letter | 20:24 |
| pdanek | https://blog.jolla.com/open-letter-jolla-community/ | 20:24 |
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| HtheB | pdanek: too late | 20:30 |
| pdanek | "The very next morning after SLUSH, I learned that our lead investor had withdrawn from the November financing round (total size of round around 10M€ investment), and that our biggest problem was in fact the company’s financing and survival overall." | 20:30 |
| pdanek | I wonder if this will affect other investors and partners. | 20:31 |
| pdanek | And/or Intex will withdraw their Intex devices with Sailfish. | 20:32 |
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| Yaniel | let's hope for the best | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | I think it is very likely that Intex will drop the deal or sell it hush hush like the N9 was sold | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | if Jolla's situation does not improve | 20:35 |
| pdanek | https://pod.readme.is/posts/446080 | 20:35 |
| pdanek | Jolla has a plan to launch new #smartphone to markets in #India with #Intex. Launch is expected in the first half of 2016 (earlier information via presentation in Russia is Q1/2016). | 20:35 |
| pdanek | First half of 2016? Really? | 20:36 |
| pdanek | "Intex to launch Sailfish OS smartphone in India on the first half of 2016 (according to Lassila), on Q1/2016 (according to Saarnio) or on January 2016 (according to Intex)" | 20:36 |
| urs | Well, all skilled personell has now left jolla. There's only administrative staff left to unwind the company. | 20:37 |
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| Stskeeps | oi | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:37 |
| Nicd- | urs: source? afaik layoffs have not started yet | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | that's not remotely true :) | 20:37 |
| Nicd- | and they said 50 % layoffs | 20:37 |
| urs | Ok, let me rephrase: | 20:38 |
| Yaniel | next week the comments are going to say there never was a jolla in the first place | 20:38 |
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| urs | Everybody who has not left yet is definitely starting to make new plans. | 20:38 |
| pdanek | What is Jolla? | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: it'd be amazing if we were able to pull off so good marketing that people received air in boxes and thought it was a mobile device | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:39 |
| Yaniel | well it works with web services... | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | urs: which is sign of a sane person | 20:40 |
| pdanek | Even if Jolla will get another batch of temporary funding. | 20:40 |
| pdanek | Will the staff be still motivated? | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | isn't that the reason why they are there in the first place? | 20:41 |
| pdanek | Once people are uncertain, they stop working. | 20:41 |
| Yaniel | because it's a project they _want_ to do | 20:41 |
| pdanek | true | 20:41 |
| pdanek | Imagine Jolla would now get funding of 200 mil. EUR | 20:42 |
| pdanek | from annonymous person | 20:42 |
| Aard | pdanek: I personally would only continue in jolla, even with that kind of funding, if management gets replaced | 20:43 |
| pdanek | I see | 20:43 |
| pdanek | Aard: are you staff atm? | 20:44 |
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| lpotter | there is no staff | 20:44 |
| Aard | pdanek: legally speaking, yes, but only because I didn't have time yet to do the paperwork for terminating the contract | 20:44 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:45 |
| Nicd- | Aard: what's wrong with the management? | 20:46 |
| tiwake | is there a compatibility list for cellphones known to work with sailfishOS? | 20:46 |
| Nicd- | tiwake: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 20:46 |
| Aard | Nicd-: they caused a lot of issues, eventually leading to the current situation | 20:46 |
| Nicd- | Aard: elaborate? | 20:47 |
| Aard | I've given up earlier this year, and made contracts for a slow exit as I was expecting something like the current situation (just was giving it ~4 months more time than we now had) | 20:47 |
| Yaniel | sounds a lot like nokia | 20:48 |
| Yaniel | managed to death, or so I have heard | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | and not all of us share Aard's opinions. | 20:48 |
| lpotter | and it's nothing like nokia's demise | 20:49 |
| pdanek | Well, Jolla being acquired by Microsoft could save the company now, financially. | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | wth | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:50 |
| Yaniel | haha :D | 20:50 |
| pdanek | :D | 20:50 |
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| lpotter | jolla just needs its own billionaire spaceman | 20:51 |
| ln- | there's a finnish company that would have all the money needed.... | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | which doesn't seem to make ubuntu touch any better to have large amount of resources (hello hate twitter accounts, i know you're watching!) | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | ln-: and they are roughly in the right field as well... | 20:52 |
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| pdanek | Which company? | 20:55 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Ubuntu Touch is developed shorter time than Jolla is, isn't it? | 20:55 |
| pdanek | There also seems to be quite a lot of apps for Ubuntu Touch already, many Sailfish apps are ports from Ubuntu Touch. | 20:56 |
| Aard | pdanek: quite similar amount of time | 20:56 |
| Aard | ubuntu touch suffered badly from NIH, especially at the beginning | 20:57 |
| Aard | they seemed to have learned a bit now | 20:57 |
| pdanek | What is NIH? | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | Not Invented Here | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | Not Invented Here | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: ^5 | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | tizen is a prime example of NIH, too | 20:57 |
| tiwake | I'll have to get a nexus 5 it looks like | 20:58 |
| tiwake | or three :3 | 20:58 |
| lpotter | so is android. and ios | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: iOS inherits a boatload from MacOS X though | 20:58 |
| mm_m | hi @all ... have a question, maybe one of you guys could help ... is it reasonable to buy a jollaphone right now? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: well, it's in stock and for sale. what worries do you have? | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: just don't have the display spontaneously crack due to heat like min did | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | +e | 20:59 |
| mm_m | updates .. | 20:59 |
| mm_m | security reasons, bugfixes | 20:59 |
| pdanek | tiwake: remember that if you use Sailfish on Nexus or any other supported device except Jolla, you won't get Android support... because it's binded by license to Jolla phones | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: well, that's actually factually wrong | 20:59 |
| tiwake | pdanek: wont matter if I'm in USA and want a sailfishOS based phone | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | commercial sailfish licensees | 20:59 |
| pdanek | ok... I just thre the words out there | 21:00 |
| pdanek | the point is, Android apps won't work | 21:00 |
| pdanek | :D | 21:00 |
| pdanek | threw* | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: we're looking into worst case scenarios and how community can continue, but we're not dead et | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | +y | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: if you want an awesome phone, it's a good shot | 21:00 |
| tiwake | pdanek: oh, the mer compatibility layer won't work? | 21:00 |
| pdanek | tiwake: Android compatibility layer | 21:01 |
| mm_m | Stskeeps: thanks, I'm not a geek, just a user ... | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: the aliendalvik builds against the android hw adaptation as well | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: nod | 21:01 |
| tiwake | how much are the jolla phones going for these days? | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | 199 eur wasn't it, at the shop? | 21:01 |
| tiwake | so about $250ish USD? maybe $280? | 21:01 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: does it? I thought aliendalvik doesn't work on Nexus-alike devices | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: naah. | 21:02 |
| mm_m | Stskeeps: ?nod? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nod_(gesture) | 21:02 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: So why would anyone keep using Jolla instead of shiny Nexus 5? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: as a start, nexus 5 doesn't have alien dalvik | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | this is not a technical limitation | 21:03 |
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| tiwake | Stskeeps: what is dalvik? | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: the android runtime | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | ie able to run android apps | 21:04 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: so people managed to get aliendalvik running on nexus, correct? | 21:04 |
| tiwake | the nexus 5 cant run android programs? | 21:04 |
| tiwake | I'm so confused | 21:04 |
| tiwake | lol | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: not under sailfishos :) | 21:05 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: if I paypal you some money, can you mail me a cellphone? XD | 21:05 |
| tiwake | (not right now) | 21:06 |
| mm_m | Stskeeps: would it be possible to set up a different system than sailfish on a jolla? (boyfriend is sitting next to me ;-) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: it's possible but technically hard. | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: you buy a jolla for the OS :) | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: take a look at some reviews around the place, with the new sailfish 2.0, see if it's something you like, ask around, - i know many that are happy with their phons | 21:06 |
| pdanek | Jolla with Android would be perhaps the most overpriced Android on market | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | +e | 21:06 |
| tiwake | I'm trying to decide if I want to nexus 5 and put sailfishOS on it, or try and get a jolla phone, here in USA | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: i know it's probably risky at the moment, given that we're in a bit of a 'oh shit' moment, but at least you get something unique :) | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | tiwake: the bands on the modem aren't good for US | 21:07 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: I use GSM for my carrier, and dont have a dataplan... | 21:08 |
| fennekki | that works, doesn't it | 21:08 |
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| tiwake | (T-mobile) | 21:09 |
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| pdanek | http://reviewjolla.blogspot.ie/2015/11/news-jolla-financial-trouble-debt.html | 21:10 |
| pdanek | To get out of this death valley we need to move from a development phase into a growth phase. | 21:10 |
| pdanek | That's like Riot. | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: with a lot less nudity in the street | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | s | 21:10 |
| r0kk3rz | i dunno, a good pussy riot might do jolla good | 21:11 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: you're aware we're referring to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0lrIi0ce5E right? | 21:12 |
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| mm_m | Stskeeps: thanks a lot! | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | mm_m: though it looks like the phone is again out of stock :/ | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | just this moment | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | amazon might have one, but the main store is out | 21:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: it would appear i am not | 21:16 |
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| pdanek | Stskeeps: Is there any Android ROM which you like/prefer? | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: i guess cyanogenmod if i have to put it on any devices | 21:41 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: Why CM? | 21:41 |
| Stskeeps | pdanek: never bothered to test anything else | 21:42 |
| pdanek | Stskeeps: look for Yu Yutopia then | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | that's a device | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, right, i've tried miui too | 21:42 |
| pdanek | Yu is Micromax sub-brand (Indian company), releasing Cyanogen phones | 21:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'm aware | 21:43 |
| pdanek | and it should have 4GB ram | 21:43 |
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| pdanek | https://twitter.com/YUplaygod | 21:45 |
| pdanek | They claim they will have most powerful phone on planet. | 21:45 |
| pdanek | And it should be premium quality too and all in metal. | 21:46 |
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| tbr | and I want a steak sandwich! | 21:48 |
| pdanek | Steak in a sandwich? | 21:48 |
| pdanek | Isn't that waste of steeak? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: damnit, i'm going to have to wait for 8am to go to subway.. | 21:49 |
| tbr | :> | 21:50 |
| nh1402 | Stskeeps: you should try omnirom | 21:50 |
| nh1402 | they also have an open source philosophy | 21:50 |
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| nh1402 | they made an open source version of the Google Dialer, amongst other things | 21:51 |
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| pdanek | http://www.paranoidandroid.co/ | 21:57 |
| pdanek | Jump to: "Pie" | 21:57 |
| pdanek | gestures!!! | 21:57 |
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| pdanek | best phone for trying different OSes and ROMs? | 22:15 |
| pdanek | Is it Nexus 5? | 22:15 |
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| lpotter | I think nexus 4 has more complete | 22:44 |
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| pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT0RNrTDHkI | 22:54 |
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