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| fennekki | keithzg: umlaut is a feature of Germanic languages, and Finnish is not one. The sound of the finnish ä is similar to a-umlaut, however, and the character is borrowed, as stated in that article | 10:49 |
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| Pawky | If you are ringing someone, and you stop before someone answered, is it really a true statenent "The call ended"? | 10:56 |
| Pawky | everytime when I hang up as no one answers, and I read "The call ended", im thinking 'damn, did he/she just pickup the phone'? | 10:57 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: you have too many problems :) the definition of "call" as a noun by no means implies that the other ends acknowledges/responds, so I would agree that if you call someone, you start a call regardless of whether it is picked up or not | 11:03 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: I am pretty sure my older phones did distinguish between this though :-) | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | you asked a different question | 11:04 |
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| ggabriel | and it's all too relative anyway | 11:05 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:05 |
| Pawky | but it would still be nice to know the difference between someone picking up the phone and you just calling/buzzing that person. :-) | 11:05 |
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| ggabriel | you can open a tjc for that, sure | 11:06 |
| tbr | the technical term is "reason for call termination" and the signalled codes depend on each operator and their network configuration. No idea how Jolla maps those to strings though | 11:06 |
| Venemo | I didn't see any other string, just "call ended" | 11:07 |
| Pawky | but an "ended call" usually means you have spoken to someone... at least in my humble oppion... | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | sailfish loves you and it doesn't want to tell you that the other end looked at the caller id, sighed, put it back in the pocket | 11:07 |
| Pawky | lol | 11:08 |
| Pawky | might it be because the ohter party is bored stiff of all my philosophical, yet important questions in life? :-D | 11:08 |
| Pawky | it should be "dialing ended" rather than "call ended" | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: I think the dictionary disagrees with you | 11:10 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: well I do understand the dictionary has another point of view, but as a caller, I would like to know the difference between the dialing ending and the call ending. | 11:11 |
| Pawky | they have two slightly different meanings ending up in the same result. | 11:11 |
| TemeV | doesn't dialing end when the phone starts ringing in the other end? | 11:11 |
| Pawky | where one will for sure make your girlfriend/boyfriend angry.... :-/ | 11:11 |
| Pawky | TemeV: hmmm.. :-) | 11:12 |
| Pawky | well, i dont believe we do dial at all any more.. | 11:12 |
| tbr | JFTR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.931#Disconnect_causes | 11:12 |
| Pawky | no dials to be seen on those über modern smart phones these days | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | tbr: I like "Internetworking, unspecified" | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | that will be the reason I give the next time someone asks why I didn't pick up | 11:13 |
| tbr | there are rather "obscure" entries and I'd expect that (aside from old Nokia phones) only the most common one get a string assigned, everything else will get a generic "call ended" or such | 11:14 |
| Pawky | if call also include the dialing part, then the protocol implies I could actually suspend that part as well... "call suspended" | 11:14 |
| Pawky | i dont believe it will work in real life though ;-) | 11:14 |
| Pawky | I interpret that list from tbr, to be the very proof a call is when you are connected at both ends :-) | 11:15 |
| tbr | you can suspend calls, it's called "putting a call on hold" | 11:15 |
| tbr | Pawky: no it's not | 11:15 |
| Pawky | true... but can I suspend it before the other one picked up? | 11:15 |
| Pawky | will a suspended call continue to ring? | 11:16 |
| tbr | haven't tried, most likely it would | 11:16 |
| Pawky | hmm, doubt it. | 11:16 |
| tbr | there are plenty of codes that could be sent way before any other end "picks up" aka call goes into state ANSWERED | 11:17 |
| Pawky | maybe the phone should state "Answered call ended" :-) | 11:17 |
| tbr | most obviously: Call rejected, User busy, Destination out of order | 11:18 |
| lainwir3d | ... are you really discussing this ? lol | 11:18 |
| Pawky | "I like Incompatible destination" :-) | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | we have too many problems lainwir3d | 11:18 |
| Pawky | lol | 11:18 |
| lainwir3d | :D | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | we'll discuss the tablet when it arrives | 11:19 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 11:19 |
| tbr | if ever | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | also, my 2nd jolla is in picking \o/ | 11:19 |
| Pawky | well, don't you think i have the tiniest of point here being able to differentiate between an answered call and one that isnt? | 11:19 |
| Pawky | believing in the jolla tablet is like beleiving in Santa Claus... one can but hope it is true.. | 11:20 |
| Pawky | even though we are old enough to know the difference | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | ? santa exists ofc | 11:21 |
| tbr | I didn't argue that. I said termination codes are configured by network and I don't know how jolla maps them | 11:21 |
| Pawky | ignorance is bliss | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | whoever gives me presents on xmas otherwise? | 11:21 |
| Pawky | tbr: true | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: i'm fairly sure it's "Network Error" or "Call Ended" | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | error handing is .. not our best area | 11:21 |
| tbr | well also levels of indirection | 11:21 |
| TemeV | Pawky: you can check the length of the call from log. It shows non-zero if it was answered | 11:21 |
| Pawky | So.. wouldn't it be great to see the difference in the display? :-) | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: open a tjc? | 11:22 |
| tbr | signalling is network dependent, gets sent to baseband and processed somehow, gets sent to ril, ril sends to ofono, ofono sends to call UI | 11:22 |
| tbr | I've seen phones give completely different messages for ended calls depending on network/operator | 11:23 |
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| tbr | if you want to trace this further, I'd recommend digging into the RIL header files for comparable qualcomm baseband AND into ofono source code | 11:24 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:25 |
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| tbr | https://github.com/dzo/hardware_ril/blob/master/include/telephony/ril.h#L382 - this is not a complete list, there are vendor specific RIL signals | 11:30 |
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| tbr | reprise: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono/blob/master/ofono/drivers/ril/ril_constants.h#L120 | 11:33 |
| tbr | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/ofono/blob/master/ofono/drivers/rilmodem/voicecall.c#L116 | 11:35 |
| tbr | http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/include/types.h#n61 | 11:40 |
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| tbr | you'll notice that the signals available to ofono are rather, limited in comparison to ril or yet Q.931 | 11:41 |
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| tbr | tl;dr - The messages are very unlikely to change as it would seem to need significant changes to external software components | 11:47 |
| Pawky | :-( | 11:47 |
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| giucam | coderus: not with that commit, no | 12:08 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | wow what a beauty https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Fairphone+2+Teardown/52523 | 15:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | if this runs SFOS, I'm pretty happy :) | 15:15 |
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| urs | if it doesn't have a hardware keyboard, I don't want it! | 15:19 |
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| MoritzJT | A good upgrade it will be | 15:24 |
| MoritzJT | But I cannot attach TOHKBD yet :D | 15:24 |
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| Nokius | SfietKonstantinW: I told u ;) | 19:00 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Nokius: you might have told me something, but it is not here :) | 19:00 |
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| Nokius | SfietKonstantinW: the beauty of the fairphone 2 :P had it a few month im my hands | 19:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Nokius: ah :) | 19:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | what did you do with it ? | 19:01 |
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| Nokius | SfietKonstantinW: nothing special I removed the battery :,( was not able to boot it | 19:07 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Nokius: ew | 19:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | :( | 19:18 |
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| tabasko_ | tried to upload my app to harbour but got server 500 error on binary upload :C | 19:25 |
| tabasko_ | https://kurnu.org/index.php/s/qCMQzwLx114IvJx | 19:25 |
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| tabasko_ | same thing seems to have happened before too https://together.jolla.com/question/55783/cannot-upload-new-app-to-harbour/ | 19:32 |
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| * AL13N1 can still not upgrade to 2.0: https://together.jolla.com/question/120017/cant-update-to-20010-fatal-error-authentication-failed-is-ssu-set-up-correctly/ | 20:21 | |
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| Hartzi | AL13N: disabling open repos and removing screen tap shot app by coderus worked for me. | 21:02 |
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| coderus | Hartzi: lol | 21:38 |
| coderus | go to hell dude | 21:38 |
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| coderus | remove yourself from earth plz | 21:39 |
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