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| SHIHUA | how to buy tablet in China | 02:14 |
| SHIHUA | it just arrive to HK | 02:15 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 07:59 |
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| ksj | if I break things while playing with openrepos software, will a "restore factory settings" really restore everything back to a working setup? | 09:15 |
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| tbr | there is no certainty, but likely | 09:16 |
| tbr | as package installation is run as root and that allows a package to possibly nuke your device into oblivion | 09:16 |
| ksj | thanks. I'm thinking of installing cryptsetup to setup luks containers on the sd card | 09:17 |
| ksj | anyone using it? | 09:17 |
| tbr | I personally prefer auditable packages from OBS | 09:17 |
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| tbr | there I can inspect the sources and check the hash of the source archive etc | 09:17 |
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| ksj | sorry, what's OBS? | 09:28 |
| lainwir3d | Built system used for mer I think | 09:29 |
| lainwir3d | build* | 09:29 |
| lainwir3d | https://build.merproject.org/ | 09:29 |
| lainwir3d | "open build service) | 09:29 |
| lainwir3d | " | 09:29 |
| ksj | ahh ok, cool. thanks | 09:30 |
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| ksj | regretting installing cryptsetup from openrepos now... | 09:30 |
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| lainwir3d | Nearly finished porting my apps to the tablet | 09:38 |
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| lainwir3d | RPNCalc : http://whisky-in-the.glass/?attachment_id=215&lang=en | 09:38 |
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| lainwir3d | Parrot Zik Manager : http://whisky-in-the.glass/?attachment_id=216&lang=en | 09:38 |
| tadzik | hmm, RPN calc looks like it's actually using an infix notation, not RPN :) | 09:40 |
| lainwir3d | really ? | 09:41 |
| lainwir3d | well, it's not | 09:41 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 09:41 |
| tadzik | heh | 09:41 |
| tadzik | I expected to see 29 pi * 4050 / sin in place of sin(29*pi/4050) :) | 09:42 |
| tadzik | unless I misunderstand something | 09:42 |
| lainwir3d | hmm | 09:42 |
| lainwir3d | well sympy write this notation automatically | 09:42 |
| lainwir3d | but i did enter 29 *ENTER* pi *multiply* 4050 *divide* *sin* | 09:43 |
| tadzik | ah, I see | 09:43 |
| lainwir3d | it's just the resulting displaying that you're seeing | 09:43 |
| lainwir3d | but no brackets have been entered :P | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | Actually, it's in my TODO list to display a beautiful LaTeX style mathematical expression | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | instead of this parenthesis mess | 09:44 |
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| inte | hello | 11:51 |
| inte | why has activesync been replaced with sailfisheas on the tablet? | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | newer impl | 11:52 |
| inte | I cant connect to my openXchange account from my tablet, while it works fine on the phone :( | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug | 11:52 |
| inte | i even copied the accounts.db from my phone to the tablet and it doesnt work | 11:52 |
| inte | did: https://together.jolla.com/question/115211/tablet-adding-openxchange-accounts-failes-while-working-on-phone-why-has-activesync-been-replaced-with-sailfisheas/ | 11:52 |
| inte | what is sailfisheas, and why does it replace activesync? | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | tld;r the old impl was licensed; this one is own impl | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | licensed and limited, too | 11:55 |
| tbr | it still worked better than any other mail protocol in the mail client | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | couldn't have continued with old impl, so | 11:56 |
| inte | so they replaced the licensed one whith one that doesnt work | 11:56 |
| inte | so, why is the licensed version still available on the phone? | 11:57 |
| tbr | inte: with one that has new "features" | 11:57 |
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| inte | tbr: haha, not a bug, a feature! | 11:57 |
| tbr | inte: likely a per product licensing agreement | 11:57 |
| inte | so jolla is out of money? | 11:57 |
| the_mgt | but but but licensed stuff is evil! | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | inte: no. | 11:57 |
| inte | sure | 11:58 |
| the_mgt | we dont want licensed stuff on the tablet | 11:58 |
| tbr | inte: more likely the old Nokia ActiveSync implementation disappeared in the woes of microsoft/nokia/foo deals | 11:58 |
| inte | well but make sure the unlicensed stuff works | 11:58 |
| taaem | except alien dalvik | 11:58 |
| inte | taaem: ++ | 11:58 |
| * tbr doesn't mind licensed stuff, as long as it's open source | 11:58 | |
| tbr | you know those are not mutually exclusive | 11:58 |
| inte | im fine with my unlicensed kde kontact exchange client which works fine | 11:58 |
| inte | tbr: true | 11:59 |
| the_mgt | inte: the activesync part is one thing why I did not get the whole "please dont use crowdfoudned money on exFat" whining | 11:59 |
| tbr | though, considering how commercial exchange is, I guess they'll consider the implementation a strategic asset | 11:59 |
| inte | the_mgt: yeah didnt get that either | 11:59 |
| inte | but dont mind anyways | 12:00 |
| tbr | also I'm rather sure the new implementation still requires a license from microsoft (like the previous one). | 12:00 |
| inte | well but it doesnt work! | 12:00 |
| the_mgt | for the sake of human rights, exchange should be banned. no admin deserves to be tortured with adminstering exchange servers | 12:00 |
| tbr | for there are many license | 12:00 |
| inte | the_mgt: openxchange is pretty and uses the same protocol | 12:01 |
| inte | however, cant connect to the openxchange server offered from my provider | 12:01 |
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| tbr | as usual, new software, new bugs and features | 12:02 |
| the_mgt | inte: there are so many nice groupwares out there, openxchange still is a pita to install | 12:02 |
| inte | if openxchange is open, and the "new" salfisheas is open as well, i would suggest to make it work | 12:02 |
| inte | the_mgt: kolab is also cool | 12:02 |
| inte | its more kdeish | 12:02 |
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| tbr | inte: well, you have a device, you can check if there is a source package for it in the repositories | 12:02 |
| inte | however, there is really no need to install the genuine exchange by microsoft | 12:02 |
| the_mgt | the need for exchange rises because outlook is installed first | 12:03 |
| inte | apart from the fact that exchange server are getting more and more expensive, since microsoft wants to pull smaller companies in the cloud | 12:03 |
| the_mgt | blessed are those, that chose not to follow this evil path. and installed tb or something else in the first place | 12:03 |
| Milo- | so.. estimates on which contributor numbers have already received an invitation for the second batch? | 12:04 |
| * tbr guesses: 0 | 12:04 | |
| Milo- | co-worker with order number 210-229 just got his invitation | 12:04 |
| JvD_ | i just got invite | 12:04 |
| inte | Installiert buteo-sync-plugins-sailfisheas-0.0.2-10.3.3.jolla.i486 Buteo plugins for Exchange ActiveSync | 12:04 |
| inte | Installiert qmf-eas-plugin-0.0.14-10.7.2.jolla.i486 Exchange ActiveSync plugin for QMF | 12:04 |
| Milo- | that bastard | 12:04 |
| lainwir3d | :o | 12:04 |
| JvD_ | and payed my taxes | 12:05 |
| Milo- | hate that guy | 12:05 |
| inte | tbr: thats all for sailfisheas | 12:05 |
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| inte | im quite surprised the tablet feels somewhat laggy from time to time | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | fixes coming for that | 12:06 |
| inte | would have expected to be much more fluent | 12:06 |
| inte | even the oom is killing everything as on the phone | 12:06 |
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| the_mgt | jammern auf hohem niveau, again? :P | 12:06 |
| inte | like, if you have the browser open with several tabs, all apps in background are closed | 12:06 |
| the_mgt | what is "several" | 12:07 |
| the_mgt | ? | 12:07 |
| inte | the_mgt: like 4 tabs | 12:07 |
| inte | bigger pages | 12:07 |
| inte | with javascript on it | 12:07 |
| inte | that e.g. settings in background would close | 12:07 |
| Milo- | Stskeeps please confirm that the new batch finishes the first indiegogo pledge batch.. 1000 devices. | 12:07 |
| inte | the browser need some work at least | 12:08 |
| inte | i guess its somewhat a memory hole | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: oh god, i'm so not a person to confirm anything | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | Milo-: i drink too much, as a start | 12:08 |
| Milo- | shame :p | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:08 |
| inte | and its crashing pretty often | 12:08 |
| Milo- | that first 200 device batch was such a wet towel for everyone who ordered within the first 1000 | 12:08 |
| * Yaniel redesigns own webpage to be more mobile and tablet friendly | 12:08 | |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 12:08 |
| lainwir3d | yeah the OOMKiller is quite easy to offend on the tablet | 12:09 |
| inte | Yaniel: + :) | 12:09 |
| lainwir3d | I wouldn't actually be surprised if he managed to commit suicide | 12:09 |
| inte | lainwir3d: hehe | 12:09 |
| lainwir3d | even playing videos sometimes trigger it | 12:09 |
| inte | lainwir3d: its really surprising since the tablet has far better hardware than the phone, it sometimes feels more laggy | 12:10 |
| tbr | maybe it comes with a side serving of "memory leeks" (sic!) | 12:10 |
| inte | however, sf2.0 is somewhat useable on the tablet since the tablet is that big and one needs both hands anyways | 12:10 |
| inte | im still waiting for warehouse being available for x86 | 12:11 |
| lainwir3d | inte: yeah, but as Stskeeps said, there is an update coming for the performance problem | 12:11 |
| lainwir3d | but I noticed that too | 12:11 |
| lainwir3d | There is a thread I believe TJC | 12:12 |
| lainwir3d | in | 12:12 |
| mornfall | inte: it also has far more pixels to push | 12:13 |
| lainwir3d | here : https://together.jolla.com/question/114861/jolla-tablet-lagging/ | 12:13 |
| lainwir3d | with an answer | 12:13 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. I am in Germany with O2/Telefonica on the Jolla phone. | 16:10 |
| PaulePanter | I often receive SMS messages twice. Is that a known problem? | 16:10 |
| PaulePanter | (and other mobile operating systems just work around by not showing them?) | 16:11 |
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| Sidde | PaulePanter: seems that some people atleast experiences this | 16:13 |
| Sidde | https://together.jolla.com/question/22782/bug-phone-receive-same-sms-many-times/ | 16:13 |
| PaulePanter | Sidde: Thanks. It’s still present in the latest release. | 16:17 |
| Sidde | PaulePanter: if you make some noise in here to the right people someone might know more. a few employees of Jolla are here | 16:18 |
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| Patchoulya | Hello everyone! | 16:30 |
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| noume | Hi Patchoulya | 16:31 |
| Patchoulya | So, guys, with my Jolla Phone I can`t connect to Wi-Fi which protected via 801.2x protocol. Is this software or hardware problem? And does it have any solutions? | 16:33 |
| Patchoulya | Do you know something about it? | 16:33 |
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| Patchoulya | >So, guys, with my Jolla Phone I can`t connect to Wi-Fi which protected via 801.2x protocol. Is this software or hardware problem? And does it have any solutions? | 16:56 |
| Patchoulya | Bump | 16:56 |
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| coderus | Patchoulya: probably you can find answer in tjc | 16:56 |
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| Patchoulya | coderus: what is tjc? | 16:57 |
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| cb400f | http://together.jolla.com | 16:58 |
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| Patchoulya | thx | 16:58 |
| eugenio | Patchoulya, https://together.jolla.com/question/315/how-to-wpa-8021x-enterprise-eduroam-others-gui-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 16:59 |
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| coderus | Patchoulya: its main place to ask questions | 17:03 |
| coderus | sailfish browser have it in default bookmarks :) | 17:04 |
| Patchoulya | coderus, eugenio thx guys, u r the best | 17:04 |
| Patchoulya | coderus: I prefer the "Web Pirate" | 17:04 |
| eugenio | :) | 17:06 |
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| tanghus | Jeez, I keep on getting annoyed over the missing swipe-to-close gesture :( | 18:05 |
| Lieke_ | you can enable swipe to close in the settings | 18:06 |
| tanghus | Lieke_: Sry, I meant swipe-to-lock. Swipe-to-close was the first thing I reenabled. | 18:07 |
| Lieke_ | yeah, i feel you | 18:08 |
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| chem|st | tanghus: will take a while but I actually manage to use it blindly now | 18:12 |
| chem|st | as the menu does pull in always no matter how far you pull | 18:12 |
| tanghus | chem|st: I probably will too, but it's not in my muscle memory yet | 18:13 |
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| chem|st | tanghus: yeah I felt that pain... but still, on tablet it does feel very odd | 18:14 |
| tanghus | chem|st: Really? I thought it would be better suited for the tablet | 18:14 |
| chem|st | 1.1.9 on tablet feels like 1.0 on phone | 18:14 |
| chem|st | tanghus: actually not | 18:14 |
| tanghus | Hmm | 18:15 |
| chem|st | because of the size you barely grab it in a way you can build muscle memory | 18:15 |
| chem|st | also the buttons being on the other side and upside down helps a lot with doing it wrong... I increase volume instead of locking it | 18:16 |
| tanghus | Yeah, I can imagine that now you say it. | 18:16 |
| chem|st | people say "it is a tablet UI now | 18:16 |
| chem|st | " | 18:16 |
| chem|st | but they actually miss that it works way better on the phone than on the tablet | 18:17 |
| tanghus | If they could make it act like https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-pulldownmenu.html/#quickSelect-prop | 18:17 |
| chem|st | everyhting is just scaled up it seems | 18:17 |
| chem|st | kbd in landscape is aweful to use | 18:17 |
| tanghus | So a phone UI on a tablet and a tablet UI on a phone - just great ;) | 18:18 |
| chem|st | tanghus: I do not see it as a tablet UI | 18:18 |
| chem|st | most of the stuff people complain about are left overs for me | 18:18 |
| chem|st | like they did want to push it to the phone but not everything is working yet | 18:19 |
| tanghus | chem|st: The horizontal swipe to unlock is imo | 18:19 |
| chem|st | yeah, just pull the launcher! | 18:19 |
| friese | hei guys, do any of you use a smartwatch together with sailfish os? i'm wondering which platform would be the best supported. the pebble looks nice sw-side, though there are so many nice android wear-watches, but that doesn't seem to be that sailfish-compatible... | 18:19 |
| chem|st | it is meh on the tab too | 18:20 |
| chem|st | friese: new BLE watches will probably not work yet | 18:20 |
| chem|st | friese: I fancy a Moto360.2 or a LG Urban | 18:21 |
| chem|st | 'an' | 18:21 |
| chem|st | otoh, sailfish-wear to counter android-wear would be awesome... | 18:22 |
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| friese | most important thing for me is solid notification syncing - pebble seems to work but if i read around in forums there also seem to be many issues still | 18:22 |
| chem|st | android+BT has issues afaik | 18:23 |
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| chem|st | but there is a native service for pebble iirc | 18:23 |
| friese | right now im using an standalone smartwatch with it's own cell modem which is working nice, but its very heavy & big and the battery only lasts 1-2 days | 18:23 |
| friese | yup, thats what i mean | 18:24 |
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| chem|st | hmm 1-2 days? Some 2014 smartwatches barely get to the second day :) | 18:25 |
| friese | also i don't really fancy running android all the time, only need that very seldomly and battery life improved massively since shutting it down | 18:25 |
| friese | well if i'm using it a lot i can get it empty in under 2 hours ;) | 18:25 |
| chem|st | friese: ah some apps lock android in a limbo state, sound left on and stuff, that is what drains the battery | 18:25 |
| friese | but that's only if wifi, bt, gps are activated and screen brightness is up -> so not really day-to-day use ;) | 18:26 |
| chem|st | I'd really like to get rid of android completely, s00n! | 18:26 |
| chem|st | friese: well good luck, maybe find a place where you can test stuff before you buy one | 18:27 |
| chem|st | and please report back if you find anything useful ;) | 18:27 |
| friese | chem|st:yeah, those were already gone, ist mostly all these google-services running in the background (yeah, i've got play store installed...) | 18:27 |
| friese | well, i'm sure to do that | 18:27 |
| friese | sadly i'm living in a very rural area, and theres nobody i know which actually has a pebble | 18:28 |
| sakustar | can someone explain why people buy smartwatches | 18:29 |
| friese | too lazy to pull my phone out every time i get an notification - mostly ;) | 18:30 |
| SQUelcher | sakustar: or tablets.. | 18:30 |
| TemeV | sakustar: why people biy smat phones | 18:30 |
| TemeV | *buy | 18:30 |
| TemeV | *smart | 18:30 |
| TemeV | I can almost type | 18:30 |
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| sakustar | smartphones i understand.. but the clocks seem like a waste :( | 18:31 |
| TemeV | well, then don't buy one | 18:32 |
| sakustar | but i want to want one! | 18:32 |
| kimmoli | no. you don't. | 18:33 |
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| sakustar | my current watch is too complex for me already | 18:33 |
| kimmoli | this is not the gadget you are looking for. | 18:33 |
| sakustar | :D | 18:33 |
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| sakustar | i only bought a tablet since it had a core i5 inside | 18:34 |
| friese | humm, some days i do indeed leave my smartwatch at home and use a good old-fashioned casio "regular"-watch (and sometimes i get so crazy i even leave my smartphone at home, though thats mostly by accident ;) | 18:34 |
| sakustar | still its mainly used for placing cups on so i dont mess the desk :( | 18:34 |
| kimmoli | my watch has 2 buttons, one dial, which can be pulled to two levels, 5 pointers, and no batteries. | 18:35 |
| sakustar | no batteries? does it work with magic | 18:35 |
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| sakustar | i broke my watch and am forced to cope with a 'wrist computer' (suunto whatever with too many buttons) | 18:38 |
| sakustar | watch should not need a 400 page manual :-( | 18:38 |
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| Patchoulya | http://i.imgur.com/CJPr64b.png | 18:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | ive been thinking there needs to be more smart bands than smart watches | 21:41 |
| r0kk3rz | as really i dont need a screen, just vibrate on alert really | 21:41 |
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| kimmoli | i'm waiting for my Kairos T-band | 21:47 |
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| pdanek | Intex | 21:52 |
| pdanek | where are youuu | 21:52 |
| pdanek | sledges: here? | 21:55 |
| pdanek | kimmoli: What is Kairos OS based on? | 21:56 |
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| kimmoli | propably some microcontroller stuff, proprietary iirc | 21:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: screen or no screen? | 21:57 |
| kimmoli | OD | 21:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | looks the goods anyway | 22:01 |
| r0kk3rz | have fun getting it working with sailfish | 22:01 |
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| pdanek | I need sledges | 22:15 |
| pdanek | to tell me if I should preorder Fairphone or not :D | 22:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: the early bird version is gone | 22:21 |
| r0kk3rz | so theres actually nothing to gain from ordering before an announcement | 22:21 |
| r0kk3rz | im wondering whether they are holding the announcement for SLUSH | 22:22 |
| r0kk3rz | because its been a few weeks since the thing in london | 22:22 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: but do you actually think it will be better than upcoming intex devices? | 22:23 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea | 22:24 |
| r0kk3rz | 'better' is a bit of a subjective term | 22:24 |
| r0kk3rz | either you buy into what fairphone are trying to do, or you dont | 22:24 |
| pdanek | I didn't buy into it | 22:25 |
| r0kk3rz | the design of it is totally experimental, nobody has released a phone built like that | 22:25 |
| pdanek | I just care about hardware | 22:25 |
| pdanek | I don't care about being modular or being "fair" too much | 22:25 |
| r0kk3rz | its bound to have issues down the line, due to its pogopin everywhere approach | 22:25 |
| pdanek | right | 22:26 |
| r0kk3rz | compared to the usual fully integrated device approach anyway | 22:26 |
| pdanek | fully integrated is fine for me | 22:26 |
| pdanek | just want high spec | 22:26 |
| pdanek | 1GB ram is absolutely totally not enough | 22:26 |
| pdanek | my apps are getting killed every few minutes | 22:26 |
| pdanek | I worry even 2GB won't be enough for my multitasking on Jolla | 22:27 |
| r0kk3rz | with 2gb you can reserve half of it for zram | 22:27 |
| pdanek | I would like at least Qualcomm 6xx series with 3GB ram Intex | 22:27 |
| r0kk3rz | which will give you 1gb main ram with 2gb ramswap | 22:27 |
| pdanek | 2GB not enough | 22:28 |
| pdanek | I thought it is | 22:28 |
| pdanek | but with android daemon in background now, it's not | 22:28 |
| r0kk3rz | 2gb should be plenty | 22:28 |
| r0kk3rz | 1gb is a little bit tight | 22:28 |
| pdanek | I usually run in background (most of the time): | 22:29 |
| pdanek | android apps: viber, line, skype, telegram, gmail | 22:29 |
| pdanek | sailfish apps: youtube player, settings, browser, dialer, messages | 22:29 |
| pdanek | that itself fills 2GB easily | 22:30 |
| pdanek | I would imagine 3GB to be sufficient | 22:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | 4 messaging apps? yeah ok | 22:31 |
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| pdanek | I didn't add hangouts | 22:32 |
| pdanek | and irc | 22:32 |
| pdanek | :D | 22:32 |
| pdanek | it's a lot | 22:32 |
| pdanek | with 1GB, my sailfish youtube app gets killed every time I minimize it | 22:33 |
| pdanek | that's why I love sailfish, multitasking | 22:33 |
| pdanek | but I need memory for that | 22:33 |
| noume | Maybe they should be fixing the memory leaks? Can't remember having so many oom situations and apps getting killed like just after the 1.1.9.28 upgrade | 22:33 |
| pdanek | perhaps | 22:33 |
| pdanek | I didn't either | 22:33 |
| noume | i mean having an audio player killed while opening a text file is just rdiculous | 22:34 |
| noume | There's some discussion going on at TJC. But 2 or more GB RAM would be nice in the Jolla phone 2.0 ;) | 22:36 |
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| pdanek | http://intex.in/intex-sailfish-os/images/b3-phone.png | 22:46 |
| pdanek | Is this real Intex? | 22:46 |
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| the_mgt | pdanek: looks interesting | 23:09 |
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