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| stephg | woo my delivery window starts in 4 minutes | 08:49 |
| sjtoik | what? tablets? | 08:49 |
| stephg | jaja! | 08:50 |
| stephg | 9:53 to 10:53 is the window | 08:50 |
| * tbr grumbles and wonders if he'll ever get his | 08:50 | |
| Morpog | Mine will come too in a few hours :D | 08:50 |
| sjtoik | are there any hands-on-reviews out there yet? | 08:51 |
| Morpog | just uninstalled android support on my old Jolla phone | 08:51 |
| Morpog | NO need for, I ot my MOto X pLay for that now :D | 08:51 |
| SfietKonstantinW | hi Morpog :) | 08:51 |
| Morpog | ello | 08:52 |
| SfietKonstantinW | how is the moto ? | 08:52 |
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| Morpog | really good for the money | 08:52 |
| SfietKonstantinW | how much it is ? | 08:52 |
| * SfietKonstantinW don't *feel* like buying an Android phone | 08:53 | |
| Morpog | 16GB version starts at 320€ | 08:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but it can be interesting to know | 08:53 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | hum | 08:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not really expensive indeed | 08:53 |
| Morpog | I love that it got almost the same size as a Sony Z3+/Z5 but a bigger display | 08:53 |
| Morpog | Very small bezels | 08:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | the Z3/Z5 are known to be quite expensive | 08:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ah | 08:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nice | 08:54 |
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| locusf | yuno z5p? | 08:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | main phone or gaming device ? | 08:54 |
| locusf | its just 950$ | 08:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Oo | 08:54 |
| Morpog | But most I love the huge battery :D | 08:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | manufacturers are getting crazy about phone price seriously | 08:55 |
| locusf | well it has 4k display | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | iPhone 6S+ = 1000$ | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | seriously ? | 08:55 |
| Morpog | it's my main phone now, my Jolla was just too old for the job | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: tell me the need of a 4K display on a phone | 08:55 |
| Yaniel | it's the phone-pc unification | 08:55 |
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| Yaniel | they just start with the price | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Morpog: I see :) | 08:55 |
| Morpog | locusf, only the Z5 Premium | 08:55 |
| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: well because Sony can? | 08:55 |
| locusf | Morpog: yeah | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | me want a new SFOS device next | 08:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | the Jolla does it's job, and is nice in "constrained env programming" | 08:56 |
| Morpog | SfietKonstantinW, yeah, me too, but Jolla didn't deliver fast enough ;) | 08:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: yeah | 08:56 |
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| locusf | 806 dpi | 08:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Morpog: the tablet is nice :) | 08:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | especially twablet on it :P | 08:56 |
| locusf | err pxi | 08:56 |
| locusf | ppi | 08:56 |
| Morpog | SfietKonstantinW, the Jolla was a bit too unreliable with Android messengers (like facebook messenger) and it really lagged alot due to it's too less ram, that were my main points for changing to android after almost 2 years with my Jolla | 08:57 |
| Morpog | SfietKonstantinW, yeah, I will get mine in a few hours :D | 08:57 |
| Morpog | hmmm, seems I cannot remove android apps from my Jolla after uninstalling android support :D | 08:58 |
| chem|st | Morpog: I'd rather have no smart in my phone than to use android, the pain I had with my first and for now last android phone and tablet was just that pain | 08:59 |
| Nokius_work | SfietKonstantinW: :D | 08:59 |
| Morpog | chem|st, cannot understand the pain, it works flawlessy. Sure it got less freedom and I miss the nixe SailfishOS UX | 09:00 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Morpog: yes, if you are using Android apps, the Jolla is not nice | 09:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Morpog: reinstall, remove apps, uninstall | 09:02 |
| Morpog | thats what I do atm | 09:02 |
| Morpog | hmm doesn't work too | 09:04 |
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| lainwir3d | SfietKonstantinW: twablet ? where did you get it ? The version on openrepos is not built for x86 | 09:07 |
| Morpog | reboot did the magic | 09:07 |
| Morpog | lainwir3d, he is the author of it | 09:08 |
| lainwir3d | haha, I guess that helps :P | 09:10 |
| lainwir3d | So, when is the release ? :P | 09:11 |
| lainwir3d | I'm missing a twitter client on my tablet | 09:11 |
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| Nokius_work | lainwir3d: there is one on obs sec | 09:14 |
| chem|st | Morpog: works flawlessly? What do you have? a 800eur device with octo-core,4GB ram and 64gb storage? | 09:14 |
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| Nokius_work | lainwir3d: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/sfietkonstantin:/sailfish:/latest/sailfishos_i486/i486/harbour-twablet-0.5.10-10.45.1.jolla.i486.rpm | 09:15 |
| Morpog | No, a Moto X Play, a 2015 mainstream device with SD 615, 2GB ram, 32GB storage | 09:15 |
| chem|st | Morpog: a working collegue asked me why my phone is so fast, she got an SG3 | 09:15 |
| Nokius_work | lainwir3d: nightly build :P | 09:15 |
| Morpog | chem|st, a SG3 is damn slow, but thats not AOSP's fault, it's Samsungs Touchwiz | 09:16 |
| lainwir3d | Nokius_work: thanks :D | 09:16 |
| chem|st | Morpog: android cache is not a touchwiz bug | 09:16 |
| Morpog | Motorola is using an almost vanilla AOSP | 09:17 |
| chem|st | Morpog: and so we are talking about >400eur devices | 09:17 |
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| Morpog | chem|st, well the 16GB version of MOto X pLay start at 320€ | 09:17 |
| Morpog | my Jolla did cost me 399€ back then | 09:17 |
| chem|st | back then... you are aware that you compare a 2013 device with a 2015 device, right? | 09:18 |
| Morpog | sure | 09:18 |
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| Morpog | don't get me wrong, I would get a SailfishOS device again with updated hardware | 09:19 |
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| chem|st | so it isn't about the lack of apps, it is about the hardware? | 09:19 |
| Morpog | both | 09:19 |
| Morpog | lack of apps is making me need to use alien-dalvik, which makes hardware oo slow | 09:20 |
| Morpog | too | 09:20 |
| chem|st | well, I uSDed android and do not have any performance issues what so ever | 09:20 |
| Morpog | chem|st, performance wise it was ok, aslong there was enough of free ram | 09:20 |
| chem|st | yeah but the oom-killing is a tuning issue | 09:21 |
| Morpog | well, since half a year.... | 09:21 |
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| chem|st | Morpog: I agree that previous versions where better with that for some reason | 09:21 |
| chem|st | were | 09:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | lainwir3d: I hope a 0.6 build for tablet | 09:22 |
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| chem|st | Morpog: I run into oom-killing with browser the most, well android seems to leak too but an occasional restart of aliendalvik solves that, also hanging processes caused by android is an issue too, but honestly, that is what I had on my 4.2.2 device too so that is not exactly a SFOS issue but android in general | 09:23 |
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| lainwir3d | oops. computer crashed | 09:25 |
| lainwir3d | SfietKonstantinW: nice twitter client ! :-) | 09:29 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | lainwir3d: I'm expecting more | 09:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | have you seen the list of open bugs on github ? | 09:31 |
| lainwir3d | nope | 09:31 |
| lainwir3d | didn't see the github actually | 09:31 |
| lainwir3d | Ok, now I have | 09:31 |
| chem|st | SfietKonstantinW: is it integrated with accounts? | 09:33 |
| chem|st | or standalone? | 09:34 |
| lainwir3d | seems standalone | 09:34 |
| * chem|st wonders if that is even possible in the way he thinks | 09:35 | |
| lainwir3d | Don't know | 09:37 |
| lainwir3d | the accounts api doesn't look really open for the moment | 09:37 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | chem|st: standalone atm | 09:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | chem|st: I'm thinking about twablet-integration module | 09:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | where you will get events feed / share / account | 09:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | *but* it takes time and is not top priority | 09:41 |
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| stephg | \o/ it's here :D | 10:32 |
| stephg | (and the lastu case too) | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 10:32 |
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| Armadillo | stephg congratz | 10:41 |
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| stephg | x/nginx.conf | 10:44 |
| stephg | ignore me | 10:44 |
| stephg | Armadillo thanks! | 10:44 |
| lainwir3d_ | hehe :-P | 10:46 |
| lainwir3d_ | welcome on board | 10:46 |
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| Nokius_work | stephg: :D | 11:44 |
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| Temppu-Teme | Morpog> lack of apps is making me need to use alien-dalvik, which makes hardware oo slow | 11:52 |
| Temppu-Teme | agree completely, that | 11:52 |
| Temppu-Teme | is why i had to make the switch to Oneplus :/ | 11:52 |
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| Nokius_work | :) the comments | 12:36 |
| Nokius_work | http://www.golem.de/news/sailfish-os-jolla-tablet-wird-nach-langer-verzoegerung-ausgeliefert-1510-116854.html [German] | 12:36 |
| Yaniel | are they are least digitoday quality? | 12:36 |
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| Yaniel | wow they are actually positive | 12:39 |
| tbr | for homeopathic values of "is shipping" | 12:39 |
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| Helle | lol | 12:43 |
| Helle | tbr: nah, better then homeopathic | 12:43 |
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| Helle | homeopathic amounts of tablets would mean fewer then one existing in the universe | 12:44 |
| tbr | ever so mildly | 12:44 |
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| Lieke_ | https://blog.jolla.com/tablet_faq/ | 12:48 |
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| Helle | ah, the Bluetooth 4.0 thing is interesting, I guess the immaturity of Bluez with BLE is a big issue (the Android way of handling involves a ton of duct-tape and glue :P), the chip should support it however, so in the future it could be doable | 12:52 |
| lainwir3d | ooooh... nice volume change features ! | 12:53 |
| lainwir3d | I didn't knew, works well | 12:53 |
| Helle | having convinced both my phone and laptop to play nice with BLE for my HRM, but with duct-tape | 12:53 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 12:53 |
| lainwir3d | the problem is sailfish is still using bluez4.xxx | 12:53 |
| Helle | lainwir3d: even newer versions of Bluez aren't quite mature with it | 12:54 |
| lainwir3d | I guess support is better in bluez5, but it will require more work to port for the moment in sailfish | 12:54 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, I mean it's probably even worse with bluez 4 :-/ | 12:54 |
| Helle | lainwir3d: the main issue is that Android is using workarounds for Bluez BLE support and so there is very little push to fix it | 12:54 |
| Helle | because outside of people like me, who hook their HRM to their PC, who needs BLE outside of their phone | 12:54 |
| lainwir3d | They aren't using bluez anymore are they ? In newer android versions | 12:55 |
| lainwir3d | true | 12:55 |
| Helle | lainwir3d: on 4.4 they obviously do use Bluez atleast | 12:55 |
| lainwir3d | tried doing it a few months ago, it was hell. I stopped trying quickly | 12:55 |
| lainwir3d | Helle: it seems to me they stopped after that | 12:55 |
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| lainwir3d | but i'm not sure | 12:55 |
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| Helle | lainwir3d: ugh, Google needs to stop doing that.... they started out with their own Bluetooth stack, then moved to Bluez and now to a new stack ? pfff | 12:56 |
| Helle | oh well, it's not like they expose a ton of useful Bluez functionality | 12:56 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 12:56 |
| Helle | still can't make a Android phone pretend to be a keyboard or mouse, which my 2004 phone can.... | 12:56 |
| lainwir3d | I'm saying this based on what I heard inside parrot from the testing guys. | 12:57 |
| lainwir3d | seems there was a big comportment change during android 4.4 era which was due to a stack change | 12:57 |
| Helle | (with a rooted android phone using bluez, you can) | 12:57 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 12:57 |
| lainwir3d | My N900 with bluez was awesome bluetooth wise | 12:57 |
| Helle | I need to fix my N900 | 12:58 |
| Helle | so I can use it as a media remote | 12:58 |
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| lainwir3d | "Toward the end of 2012, Google switched the Bluetooth stack in Android—for reasons unknown, though there has always been speculation about licensing—from the GPL-licensed BlueZ to the Apache-licensed BlueDroid. That switch was for the release of Android 4.2 (one of the Jelly Bean releases)." | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | But it seems some manufacturer do a bit what they like anyway | 12:59 |
| Helle | lainwir3d: yeah, that was the original Bluetooth stack aswell, you had Google's stack, which was broken as all and Motorola simply slapped Bluez on and made it play according to the Google APIs | 13:00 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 13:00 |
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| noume | So, has anyone tested Android support on the tablet yet? I've heard rumors it reports a 4.4 android while the phone still reports a 4.1 version | 13:05 |
| lainwir3d | hmm | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | it's 4.4 | 13:05 |
| lainwir3d | :D | 13:05 |
| lainwir3d | Stskeeps is so fast | 13:05 |
| lainwir3d | :-( | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | i did the base work myself | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | so, i'm sure | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:06 |
| noume | so i hoped for this micro g stuff to work but it doesn't and it appeears it's due to two reasons | 13:06 |
| noume | First one being micro g requires 4.4+ and second being that the alien-dalvik does not support signature-faking | 13:06 |
| noume | http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-microg-gmscore-floss-play-services-t3217616 | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | it's pretty much a normal aosp, why wouldn't it? | 13:07 |
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| noume | Apps tring to use the micro g push notificatiosn complain about invlid service | 13:07 |
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| noume | Seems like it would actually be able to make use of the push service but it doesn't, due to the signature being incorrect | 13:08 |
| noume | Also micro g can't use the Google account you set up on SFOS | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, no, but that's a bit deeper | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | keep trying | 13:09 |
| noume | micro g is still alpha but i'll keep it for now, because it looks very promising. Installing the real deal does not cut it for me because it has a very bad influence on the phone. It becomes very sluggish and battery life degrades by about 75% | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 13:11 |
| noume | so, any ideas when the next update will come to SFOS? | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | of? | 13:13 |
| citylight2 | went out seeking a battery , had no luck | 13:14 |
| noume | citylight2: i bought an HTC battery for the Desire 310, that one fits almost perfectly and works a treat ;) | 13:17 |
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| citylight2 | yes, but I had little luck finding a battery for the HTC desire | 13:18 |
| noume | Stskeeps: 1.1.9.28 has quite a lot of bugs i'd like to see fixed, that's it | 13:18 |
| noume | citylight2: DEpends on where you are located, there are plenty sources online that ship internationally | 13:18 |
| noume | citylight2: i could get one from a shop round the corner but that obviously does not worl for you :( | 13:19 |
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| Tofe | By the way, how is the situation with the drivers for the tablet ? Did you manage to use open source ones from Intel, or were they still too alpha quality ? | 14:48 |
| Stskeeps | uses blobs, non-mesa ones | 14:48 |
| Tofe | Is it only a matter of performance? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | it's a combo: camera, video decoding/encoding, display, gralloc, egl/glesv2 | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | mesa setup wouldn't offer anything in those different areas | 14:49 |
| Tofe | ah ok | 14:49 |
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| Tofe | Mesa ones don't even offer egl/glesv2 ? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | they do, but that solution wouldn't work with camera/video/etc | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | or able to take frames from it.. | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | not to mention hwcomposer | 14:54 |
| Tofe | ah yes sure | 14:54 |
| Tofe | Lack of hwcomposer support is a bit of a showstopper | 14:56 |
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| Tofe | Still, I'm pretty sure some maniac hackers will try to build up an opensource stack of SFOS 2.0 on the tablet :) | 14:58 |
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| Stskeeps | probably | 14:58 |
| Helle | probably also useful, but still crazy | 14:58 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Tofe: this can happen I guess, the tablet sounds hackable | 15:03 |
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| Morpog | Wow, the DPD delivery guy was with my Jolla Tablet in my Village already (that live tracking is really cool), but didn't visit my house...... | 15:38 |
| lainwir3d | fail | 15:38 |
| Tegu | you should have ran in front of it, stop it, and ask for the tablet | 15:41 |
| Morpog | :D | 15:42 |
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| nander | Hmm, I really start to regret buying a jolla. What's app once again doesn't work on my phone | 15:45 |
| nander | I now miss messages from others, who think they can contact me that way, but now it doesn't work | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | sailorgram works | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | but that's telegram | 15:46 |
| nander | I want what's app | 15:46 |
| nander | And it's been borked since the last update | 15:46 |
| nander | I don't know why, but it simply does not work | 15:46 |
| nander | It says : Unable to connect. Please try again later | 15:46 |
| nander | I highly doubt what's app has been offline for two weeks | 15:47 |
| noume | Yaniel: I wonder how you did that, for me it would not work. there are no group chats and i dunno how to initiate one | 15:52 |
| noume | nander: how do you use Whatsapp? With Android support? | 15:53 |
| nander | Yes | 15:54 |
| nander | And after the latest Sailfish update it simply stopped working | 15:54 |
| nander | And now it wants me to reconnect, but doesn't really do the whole code-sending thing | 15:54 |
| noume | For me it does work but i installed it after the 1.1.9.28 update so maybe reinstalling may help? | 15:55 |
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| nander | I already did | 15:56 |
| nander | Perhaps I should have told it not to recover backup | 15:56 |
| nander | But losing my backlog is tough | 15:56 |
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| Yaniel | I have a group chat that I joined in the web client | 15:58 |
| Yaniel | and it shows fine | 15:58 |
| nander | whats app webclient is just a frontent for the mobile client | 15:58 |
| Yaniel | I mean once joined in the webclient it works just fine in sailorgram | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | and sailorgram is actively developed | 16:00 |
| nander | My friends aren't in telegram | 16:00 |
| nander | So I don't care about telegram | 16:01 |
| lainwir3d | nander: did you try clearing what's app cache in the app settings ? | 16:05 |
| lainwir3d | in sailfish settings => Apps => What's app => "Clear cache" | 16:05 |
| lainwir3d | and eventually clear data | 16:06 |
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| nander | same problem | 16:06 |
| lainwir3d | :-( | 16:08 |
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| noume | Yaniel: i meant inside sailorgram. For me it just does not work :( | 16:12 |
| Armadillo | is there a way to restart the daemon which should synchronize my mails? I assume if I'm using too many apps, that the oom killer first kills the synchronization mechanism on my device, because after browsing over some websites with Webpirate, the mail app doesn't sync my mails anymore, also restarting the app doesn't help. | 16:12 |
| Armadillo | any idea how to fix without reboot? | 16:12 |
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| noume | Armadillo: probably with the sailfish utilities available from the store. they allow to restart a few system services without reboot | 16:14 |
| Armadillo | good hint | 16:15 |
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| Armadillo | it seems the restart homescreen helped | 16:16 |
| Armadillo | thanks noume | 16:16 |
| noume | You're welcome ;) | 16:16 |
| nander | I gave up. I now have working whats app on my tablet | 16:16 |
| nander | Not a nice solution, but a working one nonetheless | 16:17 |
| noume | nander: Are you on mobile or wifi? For me Whatsapp does not work most of the time on mobile network | 16:17 |
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| tadzik | oh, btw, Phone didn't want to start for me today. I rebooted and "fixed" it since I needed to make a call, but in the future how can I debug this kind of thing? | 16:20 |
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| kid | tadzik: https://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/#107685-upgrading-your-device | 16:27 |
| kid | tadzik: the part about persistent logs | 16:27 |
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| lainwir3d | woam | 16:36 |
| lainwir3d | woah | 16:36 |
| lainwir3d | I think my jolla tablet screen just died | 16:37 |
| lainwir3d | ... | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: what'd you do to it? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: best is to contact care when you can, i guess | 16:37 |
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| lainwir3d | nothing | 16:37 |
| lainwir3d | just rebooted | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: we're running Early Warning Program currently so we take a look at these different devices | 16:37 |
| lainwir3d | and now only half the screen is on | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | uhh. | 16:38 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: :/ | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: photo? | 16:38 |
| lainwir3d | I'll try rebooting again | 16:38 |
| lainwir3d | I have a picture | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | please send to carsten.munk@jolla.com | 16:38 |
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| lainwir3d | sure | 16:38 |
| lainwir3d | hmm | 16:38 |
| lainwir3d | no | 16:38 |
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| lainwir3d | something weird | 16:38 |
| lainwir3d | on the uefi logo the screen is full again | 16:38 |
| lainwir3d | so maybe software bug | 16:39 |
| lainwir3d | I'll send the picture nevertheless | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 16:39 |
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| lainwir3d | I'm feeling better actually | 16:39 |
| lainwir3d | OS booted and screen looks fine again | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | did you apply any patches? | 16:39 |
| lainwir3d | no | 16:39 |
| lainwir3d | stock OS | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:39 |
| lainwir3d | want syslog traces ? | 16:39 |
| lainwir3d | If it's not erased at bootup... | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | it's probably | 16:40 |
| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: is that your mail ? I mean... should I put an introducy header ? :P | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: yes, it's me | 16:42 |
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| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: sent | 16:43 |
| lainwir3d | picture 003 is close up photo of bottom area of picture 002 | 16:43 |
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| lainwir3d | where you can see some weird vertical lines in the lcd | 16:43 |
| lainwir3d | now everything looks fine after the reboot | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok, i'll send this on to the right people.. | 16:44 |
| lainwir3d | alright ;-) | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: sounds graphics drivery | 16:45 |
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| lainwir3d | if you need anymore test / infos I'm up to it | 16:45 |
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| lainwir3d | r0kk3rz: yeah | 16:45 |
| lainwir3d | looked a bit like when you overclock your gpu a bit too much | 16:46 |
| lainwir3d | worrying though | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | might be a flake in the display driver | 16:47 |
| * baum wouldn't even know how to overclock a cpu | 16:47 | |
| Stskeeps | i've sent it onwards | 16:47 |
| lainwir3d | flake ? | 16:47 |
| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: if it helps. The tablet was started in "landscape" I think. The UEFI screen was alright, then sailfish booted and when I then looked to the screen, it was like this in landscape. | 16:48 |
| lainwir3d | But I wasn't paying too much attention, so my memories might not be accurate | 16:48 |
| baum | oh, btw, i was wondering about the patch-cycle of sailfish. why are there only bigger updates, no small bug-fixes? | 16:48 |
| baum | the tablet uses UEFI?! | 16:49 |
| cb400f | there has been a couple of "hot-fixes" ;-) | 16:49 |
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| Yaniel | what else do things use nowadays | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | baum: QA capacity | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | especially x86 things | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | often the apps are quite tied into eachother | 16:50 |
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| baum | cb400f: in the openrepos, yes, real updates, not so much | 16:50 |
| baum | Yaniel: Coreboot | 16:50 |
| Yaniel | and the lack of minor updates is quite well made up for by the update frequency | 16:50 |
| r0kk3rz | baum: theres an explanation of why no coreboot on tjc | 16:50 |
| baum | r0kk3rz: by chance you could link it? | 16:51 |
| tbr | screw coreboot, u-boot is the thing ;) | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | baum: https://together.jolla.com/question/64407/requestjolla-tablet-use-coreboot/?answer=65036#post-id-65036 | 16:51 |
| baum | thanks | 16:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | but its a fairly standard situation of resources vs risk | 16:52 |
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| tbr | btw: even coreboot would still need the FSP | 16:52 |
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| baum | hmm did jolla even attempt to make a deal with the coreboot folks? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | baum: in practice it doesn't work like that, you have a production line and a lot of things are determined by your ODM of choice | 16:55 |
| lainwir3d | have to go ! | 16:55 |
| lainwir3d | if anything happens again i'll let you know | 16:56 |
| lainwir3d | see ya | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | baum: jolla focuses on OS side, leave the boring stuff to ODM | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | such as PCBs, etc | 16:56 |
| baum | hmmm | 16:57 |
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| Stskeeps | so as much as is already made and delivered for the hw, the better | 16:57 |
| baum | true, but wouldn't coreboot support be actually an advantage in terms of your target audience? | 16:58 |
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| Stskeeps | baum: it's a mistake to think our entire audience is people who'd value coreboot.. especially when UEFI is considered 'open enough' for most people | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | baum: people are more interested in if they can load different OS'es and so on if anthing | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | +y | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | or flash their own kernels | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | a shipping, stable, but very open product.. | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | slight irony there, naturally | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:59 |
| baum | means your target audience would include the average ubuntu user? | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, i was thinking in terms of level of tinkering | 17:00 |
| baum | i see, seems i completely misunderstood the concept so far | 17:01 |
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| baum | *like | 17:01 |
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| baum | another question: why don't you have the open parts of your system on git? looking at some fixes in the openRepos that might actually help you out | 17:05 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | baum: well | 17:11 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | baum: for example I was just reading the source code of email part minutes ago | 17:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-email | 17:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | the problem is that there are many repos scattered here and there | 17:12 |
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| baum | SfietKonstantinW: well, why not unite them? | 17:14 |
| SfietKonstantinW | baum: this is in the process of being done | 17:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | "called the Mer Nemo merge" | 17:15 |
| baum | looks interesting, thanks, i'll read into it | 17:17 |
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| tbr | baum: it's largely tianocore anyway, they probably won't share the sources for it with us though. | 17:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | baum: they do have a directory on merproject.org of all the various git repo locations | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/ for bored people | 17:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: it was a good introduction to UEFI simply installing arch on my laptop | 17:55 |
| r0kk3rz | from a basic 'so whats all this then' type perspective anyway | 17:56 |
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| nadley | hi all | 20:33 |
| nadley | small question I'm looking for an app or may be should I create it, to manage notification for example SMS notification ring (not only one notification and that all) until I close the notification | 20:34 |
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| NwS | Heya guys a quick question out of curiosity. Is it possible to buy a used Jolla tablet or haven;t they shipped any yet | 20:37 |
| attah | NwS: Unlikely.. A few have shipped. | 20:39 |
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| NwS | hmm ty for the reply attah | 20:40 |
| attah | np | 20:40 |
| NwS | I wanted to wait for a new Jolla phone but getting the tablet | 20:40 |
| NwS | Might be good enough too :P | 20:40 |
| NwS | I did find new Jolla phone for 195eu but I am not sure if it worths it atm | 20:41 |
| attah | i guess it depends.. i cold honestly not see myself without sailfish on either device | 20:41 |
| attah | oh, where? | 20:41 |
| NwS | Amazon Italy got it @ 230eu | 20:42 |
| NwS | Plus buying it through my company I avoid the taxes (in a way) so down at 195eu | 20:42 |
| attah | ^^ | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | NwS: new jolla phones are likely to get scarce soon, so if you want one then nows the time | 20:43 |
| attah | i'm thinking i might need a spare | 20:43 |
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| NwS | Hmm I could get a cheap used one (if I find one) | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | NwS: jphones arent the most durable of devices, so new is preferable I think | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but there will be other sailfishos phones available in the coming months, although maybe not from jolla | 20:45 |
| attah | i could part with mine for 100 probably.. but i'm not evil enough to sell one with a possibly bad flash | 20:45 |
| NwS | r0kk3rz, ty for the info mate | 20:45 |
| NwS | lol ty attah :P | 20:45 |
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| NwS | My shopping therapy time sucks | 20:46 |
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| attah | right now i'm thinking i'll see what intex does, unless it fails again | 20:46 |
| NwS | I had on my to-buy list a new Jolla phone/tablet, Ubuntu Meizu MX4 | 20:46 |
| NwS | waiting/waiting list, sold out | 20:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | real shame about the meizu, could have been a good sailfish phone if it had an unlockable bootloader | 20:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | regardless, if jolla devices do have a new phone to announce, guaranteed it will be at SLUSH2015 at the beginning of november | 20:54 |
| NwS | r0kk3rz, ty for all the info. I will keep an eye for a little longer | 20:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | bare in mind that the tablet announced at last years SLUSH is only just getting into peoples hands now | 21:00 |
| v2px | it is? | 21:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | v2px: a select few, but yeah | 21:08 |
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| inte | hello | 22:00 |
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| inte | anybody has the command at hand to edit accoznts from the terminal? | 22:00 |
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| inte | ah, mc-tool | 22:02 |
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| inte | but there is no exchange account | 22:02 |
| inte | does anybody know where exchanhe sezzings are stored? | 22:02 |
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