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| _inte_ | Tablet shipping today | 08:23 |
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| * _inte_ _HaPpY_ :) | 08:23 | |
| * pahartik accidentally deleted all text messages from/to person, would like to know if there is chance to get them back | 08:25 | |
| _inte_ | sms? | 08:27 |
| * pahartik thought that only one message would be deleted but whole tree disappeared | 08:27 | |
| pahartik | _inte_: Yes, SMS | 08:27 |
| _inte_ | puh dont know | 08:28 |
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| _inte_ | had the same problem in whatsup and there it wasnt possible | 08:28 |
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| pahartik | _inte_: Just wondering if they are flagged "deleted" on SQLite database and "purged" from it later | 08:30 |
| pahartik | _inte_: What was annoying is that dialog had just one draft message from yesterday that I wanted to delete, but immediately looked around and whole tree behind it had disappeared without indication of such | 08:35 |
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| * pahartik also had to "systemctl restart ofono" because yesterday voice call user interface got stuck in strange state, thinking that voice call is on and there was no way in dialog to stop it or initiate another voice call | 08:45 | |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:56 |
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| chem|st | pahartik: recover SMS? not really, you may look into the DB if it is just flagged for deletion but I guess it gets purged | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | http://uk.businessinsider.com/edward-snowden-gchq-smurf-hack-smartphones-2015-10 | 09:49 |
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| pahartik | chem|st: Acknowledged | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | no tablet complaints? | 10:42 |
| ShadowJK | are people getting tablets? | 10:43 |
| eugenio | I thought it was a scam! | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | ShadowJK: yes | 10:46 |
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| eugenio | the thing is that there still aren't any unboxing/mini-review videos of the final version of the tablet | 10:54 |
| eugenio | come on, I need my virtual tablet fix :) | 10:54 |
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| _inte_ | Oct 09, 2015 | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | 03:07 pm | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | In transit.DPD | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | 0516, AMSTERDAM (NL) | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | Oct 07, 2015 | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | 07:30 am | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | Order information has been transmitted to DPD.DPD | 10:56 |
| _inte_ | why does it take 2 days from helsinki to amsterdam? | 10:57 |
| _inte_ | however: | 10:57 |
| _inte_ | Oct 10, 2015 | 10:57 |
| _inte_ | 07:12 am | 10:57 |
| _inte_ | Out for delivery.DPD | 10:57 |
| _inte_ | curious :) | 10:57 |
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| chem|st | _inte_: would you mind not pasting everything? I know you are excited but IRC isn't for that | 11:14 |
| chem|st | _inte_: and for the route, the tablets are shipped from HK not FI | 11:14 |
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| _inte_ | oh sorry, haven't seen the channel is that busy at present :) | 11:15 |
| _inte_ | therefore you complained instantly | 11:15 |
| _inte_ | well, almost. 18 Minutes :-) | 11:16 |
| _inte_ | sorry just kidding | 11:16 |
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| chem|st | _inte_: nah, just in general, you are filling backlogs with pasting things and that is considered bad in IRC | 11:35 |
| chem|st | no matter if a channel is busy or not | 11:35 |
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| _inte_ | true | 11:58 |
| _inte_ | but also true: still excited :) | 11:58 |
| _inte_ | its out for delivery since 7:12am | 11:59 |
| _inte_ | should really be here soon | 11:59 |
| attah | _inte_: on a Saturday? | 12:00 |
| attah | not bad | 12:00 |
| _inte_ | hope so | 12:00 |
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| pdanek | Hey sailors, | 12:34 |
| pdanek | Any recent news about Intex? | 12:34 |
| pdanek | Seems too quiet. | 12:34 |
| taaem | https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ under platform and August | 12:36 |
| taaem | device adaption for Intex | 12:36 |
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| taaem | but other than that no idea whats going on | 12:36 |
| taaem | also I would like to know if there are any news on a corporation with fairphone | 12:36 |
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| _inte_ | my tracking id says delivered 10 minutes ago but the parcel is not here | 13:00 |
| _inte_ | strange | 13:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | you sure it hasnt been dropped somewhere? | 13:06 |
| _inte_ | dont know where... | 13:08 |
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| _inte_ | maybe the guy is too lazy to do the electronic booking at every door... | 13:09 |
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| _inte_ | of course this dump dpd doesnt have a 24/7 hotline | 13:13 |
| _inte_ | i only wonder why they dont ship through DHL | 13:13 |
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| chem|st | _inte_: *sigh* just because DHL is your local branch... this is international shipping from a country on the other side of the globe be glad it does only take 3 days for delivery! | 13:19 |
| _inte_ | DHL is LOCAL? are you kidding? :) | 13:19 |
| _inte_ | https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DHL | 13:21 |
| _inte_ | "Das Unternehmen beschäftigt über 480.000 Mitarbeiter in mehr als 220 Ländern und Territorien,[3] ist Weltmarktführer bei Luft- und Seefracht[4] und weltweit das umsatzstärkste Logistikunternehmen" | 13:22 |
| Sidde | international shipping can be fun to track. My Jolla phone was sent from Helsinki to Stockholm to central europe. Then back to stockholm and up to the north so i could pick it up :D | 13:24 |
| attah | _inte_: maybe the driver wanted a new tablet? | 13:24 |
| attah | ...or it is at some pick-up point? | 13:25 |
| _inte_ | ah, got it | 13:25 |
| _inte_ | they just put it in the garage | 13:25 |
| attah | lol | 13:25 |
| _inte_ | they usually do that when noone is at home | 13:26 |
| _inte_ | but im home and even the main entrance door was open | 13:26 |
| _inte_ | whatever | 13:26 |
| _inte_ | Im off, playing ;) | 13:26 |
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| Victor | hi | 13:27 |
| _inte_ | just realized they even sent an email notification about the delivery | 13:27 |
| _inte_ | i complained for nothing | 13:27 |
| _inte_ | totally :) | 13:27 |
| _inte_ | sorry | 13:27 |
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| Pawky|2 | having sent my jolla for repairs, i am thinking about installing sailfish upon my nokia N9. Will such an installation also make the N9 also be able to run android apps? | 13:39 |
| ShadowJK | i don't think so | 13:40 |
| Pawky|2 | because? | 13:40 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky|2: because it doesnt have dalvik | 13:41 |
| Sidde | alien-dalvik is not FOSS | 13:41 |
| r0kk3rz | you can run angry birds through apkd, but thats about it | 13:41 |
| Pawky|2 | wouldn't one be able to rip it out of the original one? | 13:41 |
| tbr | there are some bits of it that undoubtedly are linked to the device adaptation, so it will fail | 13:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Pawky|2: i think people have tried to do just that, but without success | 13:42 |
| Pawky|2 | :-( | 13:42 |
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| Pawky|2 | a bit strange no one else have been able to create an open source version dalvik thingy... :-/ | 13:43 |
| Sidde | you could probably copy out the binarys and libs if you run the same architecture | 13:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | Pawky|2: people are working on it | 13:46 |
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| Pawky|2 | jippeee! :-) | 13:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i think the devil is in the details on this one | 13:47 |
| Pawky|2 | any webpage? | 13:47 |
| Pawky|2 | I wonder what is better... keep the N9 meego, or change to Sailfish... I guess changing will make me have less apps... | 13:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | isnt meego the better os out of the two anyway? | 13:49 |
| Pawky|2 | thats what I am wondering... | 13:49 |
| lainwir3d | hey, what kind of fs should I put on my 64Gb sd card for the jolla tablet ? :-/ | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i think the n9 sailfish port is a bit old anyway | 13:50 |
| Pawky|2 | EXT4 :-) | 13:50 |
| lainwir3d | I don't really want to use fat32 'cause of the 4GB limitation | 13:50 |
| r0kk3rz | btrfs | 13:50 |
| Pawky|2 | nah. | 13:50 |
| Pawky|2 | i would go for ext | 13:51 |
| lainwir3d | ext4 ? Won't I have trouble with file permissions when used with my linux computer ? | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | it was a joke | 13:51 |
| lainwir3d | I don't want to deal with nemo uid / my user uid troubles | 13:51 |
| lainwir3d | but maybe there is something to do with that | 13:51 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: isnt f2fs the open-sourcy thing for this situation? | 13:51 |
| lainwir3d | I don't know :-( | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | maybe | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | I'll read about it | 13:52 |
| Pawky|2 | what uid troubles? | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | i was under the impression thats what it was designed for | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | don't know, if jolla creates a directory with uid of nemo user | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | and that directory in not "other" writable | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | and the user on my computer doesn't have the same uid | 13:53 |
| Pawky|2 | well.. you could always change it right? | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | but that's what I don't want to do | 13:53 |
| Pawky|2 | 660 or 770 | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | I want to plug it and don't have to worry about file permission | 13:53 |
| Pawky|2 | well... go 777 then | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, but what about newly created directories ? :-/ | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | I don't think I can write default permission for the fs without changing the mount options | 13:54 |
| Pawky|2 | hmm.. you could set the umask probably | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | you might need to micromanage it a bit, but not overly | 13:54 |
| Pawky|2 | you can change to your user in the mount | 13:54 |
| Pawky|2 | assuming yuu will mount the card from your pc | 13:54 |
| r0kk3rz | how often do you create new dirs in the root dir? | 13:54 |
| lainwir3d | or maybe there is an option at the creation of the fs | 13:54 |
| lainwir3d | a bit like the "no-journal" option | 13:54 |
| Pawky|2 | r0kk3rz: daily? :-) | 13:55 |
| Pawky|2 | on a sd card that is.. | 13:55 |
| lainwir3d | true, I'll probably not swap devices often... | 13:56 |
| r0kk3rz | alternative is to write a small script and put it in the root dir of the sdcard | 13:56 |
| r0kk3rz | so instead of mkdir blah, you use ./sd-mkdir blah | 13:56 |
| r0kk3rz | and it sets perms for you | 13:56 |
| lainwir3d | "tune2fs mount_opts =>Set a set of default mount options which will be used when the file system is mounted. " | 13:58 |
| lainwir3d | maybe that's the way to go | 13:58 |
| lainwir3d | hoping the Jolla and my linux system will honors the default mount options | 13:58 |
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| taaem | Pawky|2: for open source dalvik there are some guys working on it on #sailfishos-porters but they have some opengl problems if i remebe | 14:01 |
| taaem | *remember correctly | 14:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | taaem: there is also this project >> https://github.com/shashlik/shashlik | 14:02 |
| chem|st | lainwir3d: why should you have any file permission issues? | 14:03 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: yeah but dunno how far that project is already matured | 14:04 |
| lainwir3d | chem|st: 'cause you usually get file permission issues when using extX on a removable media | 14:05 |
| lainwir3d | cause the UID of your users are not necessary the same | 14:05 |
| lainwir3d | on both devices. | 14:05 |
| lainwir3d | And by default on most linux distributions the directories are created with 755 rights | 14:06 |
| lainwir3d | so no writing permissions for the user who did not create the directory | 14:06 |
| lainwir3d | and I don't really want to deal with making sure that all users have the same uids on all my linux computers | 14:07 |
| lainwir3d | or dealing with default umask | 14:07 |
| lainwir3d | If I can't find a way for ext4 (or something else) to have good default permissions, I'm gonna stick with vfat and forget about > 4GB files | 14:08 |
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| lainwir3d | maybe exfat actually, but I don't know if the support is good enough yet | 14:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | taaem: the one the guys around here are doing isnt exactly matured either | 14:13 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: you could always ntfs it | 14:14 |
| lainwir3d | true | 14:14 |
| lainwir3d | I should be able to get ntfs-3g on sailfish | 14:14 |
| lainwir3d | maybe it already is in the repos | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure anyones tried, but worth a look in | 14:15 |
| taaem | r0kk3rz: true that, the best option i think would be to enable paid app support and then the users of the ports could buy alien dalvik... | 14:15 |
| lainwir3d | taaem: nice idea | 14:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | taaem: provided that myriad lets jolla licence dalvik like that | 14:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | taaem: and that dalvik works acceptably on arbitrary ported devices | 14:18 |
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| taaem | r0kk3rz: yeah I don't know how alien dalvik works or how the license looks like | 14:18 |
| r0kk3rz | lainwir3d: now we have usb-otg, might be worth compiling lots of different file system handlers | 14:19 |
| lainwir3d | yeah ! :-) | 14:19 |
| lainwir3d | And it actually works | 14:19 |
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| lainwir3d | tried my usb audio headphones on the tablet yesterday | 14:19 |
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| taaem | lainwir3d: shouldn't usb audio be much better quality wise than over the normal headphone jack? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | probably. | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | or speakers. | 14:22 |
| r0kk3rz | depends on the usb audio no doubt | 14:23 |
| lainwir3d | taaem: it should | 14:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | but since it wont be using the internal DAC, yeah | 14:23 |
| lainwir3d | the stream is transported numerically | 14:23 |
| lainwir3d | the analog conversion is done in the headphones | 14:23 |
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| lainwir3d | after that, the headphones can declare themselves 16bits or 24bits | 14:24 |
| r0kk3rz | although you can probably also do crazy things with pulseaudio over wifi | 14:24 |
| lainwir3d | But I guess both will still be better | 14:24 |
| taaem | Also could someone now make a dock for it like all these iPhone docks for playing music? | 14:24 |
| lainwir3d | noticed something weird though. The tablet had troubles getting out of suspends when the usb-audio headphones were plugged in | 14:25 |
| lainwir3d | But that may be because the headphones were being recharged by the tablet.... lol | 14:25 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: ^^ | 14:26 |
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| lainwir3d | alright | 14:47 |
| lainwir3d | I think I found something | 14:47 |
| lainwir3d | using ext4 + acls | 14:47 |
| lainwir3d | setfacl -d -m u::rwx,g::rwx,o:rwx /mnt/JollaTablet_SD | 14:47 |
| lainwir3d | this sets default permission of 777 to the root directory of the SD card | 14:48 |
| lainwir3d | and newly created directories and files use these permissions | 14:48 |
| lainwir3d | default ext4 mount options includes support for acl | 14:49 |
| lainwir3d | :-) | 14:49 |
| Sidde | someone from a +358 just called me. missed the phone call | 14:54 |
| Sidde | any good number service in finland? | 14:54 |
| lainwir3d | And it works quite well, just tested it. So I'll keep ext4. | 14:54 |
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| ninnnu | Sidde: None that are free, but Fonecta.fi will give you a hint if it's even possible to find out. For full details it requires registration that costs ~0.20€ (one-time fee) | 14:57 |
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| Sidde | ninnnu: that sucks. all of the swedish ones are free | 14:57 |
| ninnnu | There's a law or licensing-issue or something in-between that forbids that stuff from being free. | 14:58 |
| Sidde | ninnnu: +35840... seems to be mobile? | 14:58 |
| ninnnu | Yeah | 14:58 |
| Sidde | someone has called me 4 times today, when i call none answers | 14:58 |
| Sidde | but i don't know anyone in finland so it's probably very irrelevant | 14:59 |
| ninnnu | Might be a telemarketeer | 14:59 |
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| ninnnu | Although they don't call that often | 15:00 |
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| pdanek | taaem: I don't think Fairphone is good phone for Sailfish | 15:31 |
| taaem | pdanek: why you think so? | 15:31 |
| pdanek | those raised edges above screen surface will make side gestures much more difficult, don't you think so? | 15:31 |
| taaem | oh yeah never thought of that but that could be more difficult | 15:32 |
| taaem | aren't here some people who tried the actual fairphone 2? | 15:33 |
| taaem | sledges: ^ | 15:33 |
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| pdanek | That would be great to hear more about it, I need you sledges! :D | 15:48 |
| phdeswer | It will just require good tuning of the swipe gesture I think. | 15:49 |
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| taaem | Also is there any info on a new sailfish device in europe? intex is india only right? | 15:55 |
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