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| Bysmyyr | tablet in local courier! | 07:29 |
|---|---|---|
| Bysmyyr | coming soon | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 07:29 |
| entil | mine cleared customs just over an hour ago! | 07:31 |
| entil | this is so exciting, I might actually frigging receive mine today | 07:31 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:44 |
| lainwir3d | my tablet is at only 40km from my home :-o | 07:44 |
| lainwir3d | I may have to tomorrow | 07:44 |
| lainwir3d | have it* | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | tweet about it :) | 07:44 |
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| lainwir3d | hehe | 07:44 |
| tadzik | wow, crazy :) | 07:44 |
| lainwir3d | sure | 07:44 |
| entil | lainwir3d: where do you live? | 07:45 |
| lainwir3d | entil: France | 07:46 |
| lainwir3d | near Paris | 07:46 |
| lainwir3d | It departed from the CDG airport 1hour and a half ago | 07:47 |
| lainwir3d | alright, I tweeted about it | 07:47 |
| entil | sounds like you should have it today :> | 07:47 |
| lainwir3d | Will I be the second one to receive it on twitter ? :P | 07:47 |
| lainwir3d | maybe yeah, but knowing french postal services... | 07:48 |
| lainwir3d | I may have it in one week too :'( | 07:48 |
| lainwir3d | Well, the probability of that is low, but it happens | 07:48 |
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| Tofe | lainwir3d: naah, usually the delivery is ok; what could happen, though, is that it fakes trying to deliver it home, and then you'll have to wait another day to fetch it from post station, but it will be saturday, and closed early, so you'll have it on monday. Or, you can get it today. | 07:53 |
| lainwir3d | Yeah, that's what mostly happens in my neighborhood | 07:53 |
| lainwir3d | They fake the delivery | 07:54 |
| lainwir3d | But if the packing is big I won't get it today 'cause nobody's home | 07:54 |
| lainwir3d | package* | 07:54 |
| entil | I have to sign off on dhl | 07:55 |
| lainwir3d | But maybe I can negociate at the post station in the evening, usually you can only get it the following day | 07:55 |
| lainwir3d | Oh, true. It's DHL | 07:55 |
| entil | like they won't deliver it without a sign-off, but dhl.fi usually arranges later deliveries and sometimes I've redirected parcels to work | 07:55 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: oh. Sorry about that. | 07:55 |
| Nokius_work | :D | 07:56 |
| lainwir3d | It's alright, I can wait until monday. I'll be a little disappointed but well, 2 more days is not big :P | 07:56 |
| Tofe | Yes, for DHL I always redirect them to work, otherwise there's just no matching delivery hour within the week... | 07:56 |
| lainwir3d | Or. I can leave work right now and get back home haha | 07:56 |
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| lainwir3d | Well, it's still written as "SCHEDULED: 12 OCT" | 07:57 |
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| lainwir3d | alright, they are delivering it right now >_> I should have checked directly on the website | 07:58 |
| entil | last I still see on the tracking page is that it cleared customs | 07:58 |
| lainwir3d | i'd have stayed home | 07:58 |
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| entil | stupid crap, I ordered the sms updates and received none | 07:59 |
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| Tofe | entil: on the other hand, as you check the website every 5min, you don't really need an additional sms, do you ;) | 07:59 |
| entil | for the time being, yes | 08:00 |
| lainwir3d | Awww crap I feel so stupid. I should have checked on the DHL website instead of the "http://track.aftership.com/" crap. | 08:01 |
| lainwir3d | It is outdated, they are currently delivering it at home | 08:01 |
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| Tofe | That must feel pretty frustrating. | 08:02 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 08:02 |
| entil | if by afternoon I haven't heard anything I can call dhl and ask wheretf my parcel is ;D | 08:02 |
| lainwir3d | I'm hesitating to try to get back home before the delivery guy | 08:02 |
| entil | ohshit! "Toimitus käynnissä", it's being delivered! | 08:04 |
| entil | dhl.fi does not update in real time, that's timestamped 15 minutes ago and I've been refreshing like some kind of maniac | 08:04 |
| lainwir3d | :'( | 08:04 |
| lainwir3d | holy crap noooo you'll get it before me | 08:04 |
| lainwir3d | I'm calling dhl right now | 08:05 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 08:05 |
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| entil | sacre bleu, mon tablette de jolla! | 08:05 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 08:05 |
| pp_ | heh, they'll probably have 2.0.1.x by the time I get mine :D | 08:05 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: "Look, it's nearly snowing in Finland, but the package is still delivered faster than in Paris with beautiful weather! unacceptable!" | 08:05 |
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| lainwir3d | haha | 08:06 |
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| lainwir3d | aaaaaaaw DHL is not answering. Fucking robot | 08:11 |
| entil | if I called DHL I could use the pretense that I'm worried about delivery schedules, that I wouldn't want them to try me at home before I'm there | 08:12 |
| lainwir3d | true, but the answering robot has no options to ask to talk to a real person | 08:13 |
| entil | dhl.fi has :o | 08:13 |
| lainwir3d | It's like a terminator movie | 08:13 |
| lainwir3d | haha, I feel cheated | 08:13 |
| entil | but dubben in french! | 08:13 |
| entil | dubbed* | 08:13 |
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| lainwir3d | alright | 08:15 |
| lainwir3d | i'm renting a car and getting back home | 08:15 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 08:15 |
| lainwir3d | let's hope i'll not be too late | 08:15 |
| entil | I got put on hold | 08:16 |
| entil | and I have a business lunch to be at soon | 08:16 |
| lainwir3d | "The Jolla Tablet delivery wars" | 08:16 |
| lainwir3d | would make a good movie | 08:16 |
| Tofe | "Jolla Tablet: The Impossibe Delivery" | 08:16 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 08:17 |
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| entil | sweet, even though the smss got screwed, it's scheduled for evening delivery between 17:00-20:00 | 08:19 |
| entil | now I got to run to lunch -> | 08:20 |
| lainwir3d | how do you know ? | 08:20 |
| lainwir3d | by calling them ? | 08:20 |
| entil | (dhl.fi chick told me) | 08:20 |
| entil | (->) | 08:20 |
| lainwir3d | ooow | 08:20 |
| lainwir3d | I should try to have them on phone | 08:20 |
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| Tofe | lainwir3d: maybe you could call the finnish number? | 08:21 |
| Tofe | You already know how to say "delivery in progress", then you learn numbers 0 to 9, that should do it :p | 08:21 |
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| lainwir3d | haha | 08:22 |
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| lainwir3d | ok got someone | 08:27 |
| lainwir3d | he couldn't tell me when it's going to be delivered | 08:27 |
| lainwir3d | "sometime during the day | 08:27 |
| lainwir3d | so i'm going there right now | 08:27 |
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| Tofe | Looks your concentration at work wasn't top-notch anyway | 08:28 |
| Tofe | Looks like* | 08:28 |
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| kimmoli | just Jolla things: waiting that someones F5 key dies | 09:16 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | I'm back | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | went home smoothly as to not miss my tablet | 09:44 |
| Armadillo | do you get it today? | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | nothing in the mailbox, so it seems i did not miss it | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 09:44 |
| Armadillo | cool | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | apparently DHL is delivering it today | 09:44 |
| lainwir3d | "between 10am and 18pm" | 09:45 |
| Armadillo | keep us up-to-date ;) | 09:45 |
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| lainwir3d | sure | 09:46 |
| lainwir3d | I'm already quite happy that I did not seem to miss the guy. | 09:46 |
| lainwir3d | Or maybe I did but he did not leave any notice | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | check tracking info and you'll find out | 09:47 |
| Armadillo | as long as he didn't leave it in front of your door as the dhl guy did with my new notebook... | 09:47 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 09:47 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. How do I disable vibrations to make it really silent? | 09:54 |
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| Tofe | That's in the settings iirc | 09:54 |
| Tofe | "Sounds and actions" -> first item | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | you can't do that on an ambience basis tho | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | but yeah, that's where it is, like Tofe says | 09:55 |
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| PaulePanter | Thank you! | 09:57 |
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| Bysmyyr | I got mine! | 10:49 |
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| Lieke_ | congrats :) | 10:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: \o/ | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | tweet about it! | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:51 |
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| Bysmyyr | https://twitter.com/OlliSyrjala/status/652437188861427712 | 10:55 |
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| lainwir3d | Damn, I'm not the second one | 10:57 |
| entil | that's.. so cool | 10:57 |
| entil | you're like some kind of sailor | 10:57 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 10:57 |
| lainwir3d | They should put remote tracking devices on the delivery guys | 10:57 |
| lainwir3d | So that we can know exactly where the package is, and drive towards it | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | Bysmyyr: i dearly hope that's the tutorial :) | 11:01 |
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| entil | I do not approve of the temperature being warmer in tampere | 11:02 |
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| Bysmyyr | Stskeeps: yes | 11:07 |
| Bysmyyr | tablet is nice but lastucase is grap | 11:09 |
| dirkvl | grap? | 11:09 |
| Bysmyyr | crapcrap | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | crap how? | 11:10 |
| dirkvl | the foldable one? | 11:10 |
| tigeli | Bysmyyr: http://tomboythatwearsmakeup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/IMG_5381.jpg | 11:11 |
| Bysmyyr | ggabriel: it do not keep closed properly, and I have now idea how to use it like a stand | 11:12 |
| Bysmyyr | dirkvl: maybe, the first what they offered | 11:13 |
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| coderus | http://lastucase.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/LastuCase-for-Jolla-Tablet-Standing.jpg?ad8426 | 11:13 |
| Bysmyyr | and plasticks looks dirty | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | Bysmyyr: ta | 11:14 |
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| Bysmyyr | aa | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | it's an expensive accessory, maybe contact lastucase? your copy may be wrong... | 11:14 |
| dirkvl | yeah the plastics are some sort of natural fiber with resis | 11:14 |
| coderus | resin? | 11:15 |
| Bysmyyr | ah, one magnet is missing, thats the reason why it do not keep closed | 11:18 |
| coderus | contact jolla care | 11:19 |
| Bysmyyr | lastu care is maybe better | 11:19 |
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| Bysmyyr | they specially say that do not contact jolla about that | 11:19 |
| coderus | okay | 11:19 |
| pp_ | they're a local company, if mine fails I can always go to their office to complain :P | 11:21 |
| Bysmyyr | same | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | shipping cost in that case would be a bit of a bummer... | 11:22 |
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| dirkvl | coderus: yeah resin | 11:34 |
| dirkvl | all natural and degradeable etc | 11:34 |
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| Milo- | Anyone else have issues with media player's "add to queue" feature? for me queued items are not getting played (at least when shuffle mode is enabled) | 11:49 |
| lainwir3d | Shuffle acts a bit weird sometimes | 11:50 |
| lainwir3d | Shuffle + repeat has a less random behaviour | 11:50 |
| Milo- | same issue | 11:50 |
| Milo- | shuffle + add to queue used to work, but not sure when | 11:51 |
| Bysmyyr | shuffle works weird more often that fine | 11:51 |
| Bysmyyr | in different programs I mean | 11:51 |
| Milo- | and items cannot be added to queue from playlists | 11:54 |
| Milo- | that's kind of weird as well | 11:54 |
| lainwir3d | and you can't queue whole albums | 11:56 |
| lainwir3d | or artists | 11:56 |
| lainwir3d | for the moment if you want to do "quick playlist" it's kind of unusable | 11:56 |
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| Milo- | I have a funny feeling it worked "before" with songs.. even when shuffle mode was enabled. | 11:57 |
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| * lainwir3d looks by the window and... does not see the postman :-( | 12:08 | |
| * lainwir3d looks again | 12:08 | |
| PeperJohnny | get a chair by your mailbox and some coffee :D | 12:09 |
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| giucam | if you keep looking at the window he'll never come | 12:09 |
| PeperJohnny | Or you gotta do something that summons him the minute you start, like taking a shower :D | 12:10 |
| Milo- | hmm. the postman hunting season has started. :p | 12:10 |
| Milo- | I heard small ships are travelling with postmen | 12:10 |
| lainwir3d | http://i.imgur.com/UJl5ZDQ.gif | 12:11 |
| lainwir3d | That's me right now | 12:11 |
| Milo- | Hopefully the next batch will reach all the way up to number 820-890 :c | 12:12 |
| lainwir3d | giucam: yeah, actually I was thinking it might be a bad idea to wait for him like this :P | 12:12 |
| PeperJohnny | :D | 12:13 |
| Milo- | lainwir3d you know, Pete the Postman doesn't work during fridays. :p | 12:13 |
| lainwir3d | haha | 12:14 |
| Milo- | I only say that, because there are 600 more impatient tableteers before me | 12:16 |
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| PeperJohnny | I ordered on 3.3.15, guess my impatience :D | 12:18 |
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| ggabriel | worry not, the tablet is coming | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | or there's a big conspiracy out there | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | or both | 12:20 |
| lainwir3d | a postman conspiracy | 12:20 |
| Milo- | oh.. it's possible that Pete has kept all of them for himself. | 12:21 |
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| Stskeeps | postman pat and the jolla tablets | 12:25 |
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| Sail0r | http://www.trustedreviews.com/jolla-tablet-review | 12:27 |
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| Milo- | spoiler alert! | 12:31 |
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| pp_ | Best tablet, now 6/10 :-) | 12:32 |
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| ggabriel | do you think this is a preproduction copy though? | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | also, review written by a cat: "but it's has a more mid-range Android..." | 12:33 |
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| ggabriel | ok, final copy after seeing the pics :) | 12:35 |
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| shaddy | Hi, with whom i can speak for the chance to have a device to bring applications for silfish? | 12:38 |
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| coderus | shaddy: developer devices shipping choosed by jolla itself | 12:41 |
| coderus | nobody to ask | 12:41 |
| coderus | use emulators in sdsk | 12:42 |
| coderus | or install sailfish to some of android devices | 12:42 |
| lainwir3d | Hmmm... I remember buying a 32GB SD card a few months ago and I lost it in my room... Time to go look for it | 12:42 |
| PeperJohnny | lainwir3d: life needs a search feature :D | 12:43 |
| Helle | lainwir3d: microSD cards are terrible for it | 12:46 |
| Helle | I want back to the original Sony Memorystick, which is a "gumstick" sized | 12:46 |
| lainwir3d | yeah :-( | 12:46 |
| Helle | a size you don't lose | 12:47 |
| lainwir3d | sounds like a good slogan | 12:48 |
| lainwir3d | "Sony Memorystick : a size you don't lose" | 12:48 |
| Milo- | I wonder if I can install sailfish OS to hp slate 10 | 12:48 |
| taaem | Milo-: #sailfishos-porters | 12:49 |
| Milo- | meep | 12:49 |
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| narchie | jolla vat email | 12:50 |
| chem|st | PeperJohnny: find / -gender w -type 10 -size k -P -perm -777 -name * | 12:50 |
| narchie | nothing but apologies | 12:51 |
| narchie | where's my tablet | 12:51 |
| mornfall | I'm starting to be confused about the tablet shipping. | 12:51 |
| mornfall | Or not shipping. | 12:51 |
| mornfall | Or whatever? | 12:51 |
| PeperJohnny | chem|st: :D | 12:51 |
| chem|st | mornfall: ? pretty clear timeline?! | 12:52 |
| narchie | mornfall: shipping may 2015 | 12:52 |
| chem|st | narchie: really? | 12:52 |
| mornfall | chem|st: wasn't the first batch supposed to be shipped by now? even with the previously-latest schedule? | 12:52 |
| chem|st | narchie: it is a damn crowdfunding campaign | 12:52 |
| Hartzi | Uuh I got mine :> | 12:52 |
| chem|st | mornfall: the first batch is shipped | 12:52 |
| narchie | can i pay vat | 12:53 |
| chem|st | narchie: you demand to pay fat will be served the next couple of days... but anyway, faic Jolla could charger you after shipping... | 12:53 |
| chem|st | narchie: so what you are doing is keeping up the noise, stop moaning and be a good boy and eat your veggies | 12:54 |
| chem|st | vat... | 12:54 |
| narchie | where's my refund | 12:54 |
| chem|st | too much mkfs today | 12:55 |
| mornfall | chem|st: so the first batch was smaller than the 'first sailors' perk limit? | 12:55 |
| mornfall | wasn't it like 100 or 200 devices? | 12:55 |
| narchie | is tablet available at DNA store next week | 12:55 |
| narchie | like the phone | 12:55 |
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| mornfall | the indiegogo page has erased most of the info | 12:55 |
| mornfall | so can't really tell for sure | 12:55 |
| chem|st | narchie: what refund, igg campaigns explicitly state no refunds... if Jolla makes one available be grateful! | 12:55 |
| Milo- | Hartzi you received your tablet already? :o | 12:56 |
| chem|st | mornfall: from mosen's gDocs I read that the first 200-250 are shipping now, so some sort of test batch before they actually order the bulk 15k devices | 12:57 |
| Helle | heh, messing with an Android application that has some UI clues from Sailfish | 12:57 |
| mornfall | but you don't remember how big was the first sailors perk? | 12:57 |
| chem|st | maybe that display disaster gave them no more production time than just a couple of hundred devices | 12:57 |
| narchie | delete evidence | 12:57 |
| Helle | buand unintuitive in the way they implemented itt it's just painful | 12:57 |
| narchie | finnish business model | 12:57 |
| Hartzi | Milo-: yup. looks and feels pretty good | 12:58 |
| the_mgt | the first perks were 100 devices each, iirc | 12:58 |
| Lieke_ | btw, do those 200 test shipments count as the "first wave" or is that still going to happen this month? | 12:58 |
| the_mgt | until price reached 219$ or so, then it were 1000 per perk | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | (why are people calling it test shipments?) | 12:58 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: because it was established that the first were for testing the whole delivery process? | 12:58 |
| Lieke_ | because jolla said they were testing the procedure with a small batch | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | hm, where? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | because i thought that was the dev programme tablets that were tests | 12:59 |
| the_mgt | nope | 12:59 |
| narchie | difficulties in putting tablet in package and send | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | !!!! | 12:59 |
| merbot | lainwir3d: Error: "!!!" is not a valid command. | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | ok | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | tablet incoming | 12:59 |
| lainwir3d | delivery guy in the elevator | 13:00 |
| chem|st | :) | 13:00 |
| mornfall | the_mgt: dunno, I was in the $209 lot | 13:00 |
| Lieke_ | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-operations/ "We start with a small group to ensure that everything works as it should." | 13:00 |
| lainwir3d | live delivery | 13:00 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: ah ok | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | er, Lieke_ | 13:00 |
| the_mgt | Stskeeps: Today we’ve sent out the first order completion invitations to a group of early Indiegogo contributors. We start with a small group to ensure that everything works as it should. | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:00 |
| narchie | the_mgt: delete this | 13:00 |
| the_mgt | lainwir3d: start live streaming please | 13:00 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: you do not have access to his cameras yet? | 13:02 |
| Aciid | which comes first. Jolla Tablet or Santaclaus? | 13:02 |
| lainwir3d | \o/ | 13:02 |
| lainwir3d | Now, should I go back to work ? | 13:02 |
| PeperJohnny | congrats | 13:02 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm | 13:02 |
| lainwir3d | thanks :D | 13:02 |
| * the_mgt throws confetti | 13:02 | |
| Stskeeps | tweet about receiving it :) | 13:02 |
| lainwir3d | sure | 13:03 |
| lainwir3d | with pictures | 13:03 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 13:03 |
| narchie | i will tweet when II get to pay VAT | 13:03 |
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| narchie | "rip 24%" | 13:04 |
| Aciid | godspeed narchi | 13:05 |
| mornfall | oh wait | 13:05 |
| mornfall | I was in the $189 lot (plus shipping) | 13:05 |
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| mornfall | funnily enough, some of the $199 folks have already ordered | 13:06 |
| mornfall | I wish they woludn't have stressed „we will stick to the order of contributions this time“ thing so much | 13:07 |
| narchie | retail buyers get first | 13:07 |
| narchie | pre-orders get last | 13:08 |
| narchie | first pledgers get sometime 2017 | 13:08 |
| lainwir3d | protective plastic is really hard to open... | 13:08 |
| mornfall | dont' break the tablet in half :P | 13:09 |
| lainwir3d | :-( | 13:09 |
| lainwir3d | don't say that | 13:09 |
| mornfall | I mean you do get to keep both pieces | 13:09 |
| lainwir3d | You'll bring bad luck on me | 13:09 |
| Milo- | the_mgt the first perks were 1000 each. after 2000 the next perk was 2000 | 13:10 |
| Milo- | mornfall some first contributors picked the second perk (199) instead of the first one (189). therefore they can still be within the first 200 | 13:12 |
| mornfall | some people are too nice for their own good ;D | 13:12 |
| Smar | also, would this be good time to start demand bigger tablet/new phone/something? ;) | 13:12 |
| mornfall | Smar: new phone, certainly ;) | 13:13 |
| narchie | jolla tv | 13:13 |
| narchie | shipping may 2014 | 13:13 |
| Smar | oh, negative time | 13:13 |
| Smar | I like this | 13:13 |
| the_mgt | Milo-: makes more sense, yes | 13:13 |
| mornfall | actually I find the emails about the tablet do more harm than good (for me, anyway) | 13:13 |
| mornfall | it's not like I care when the tablet ships | 13:13 |
| lainwir3d | alright | 13:14 |
| lainwir3d | here we go : https://twitter.com/lainwir3d/status/652470404028715008 | 13:14 |
| mornfall | but the periodic reminders that it's slipping and slipping behind are annoying | 13:14 |
| Smar | too boxy for me :( | 13:14 |
| lainwir3d | oops wrong tweet | 13:14 |
| lainwir3d | https://twitter.com/lainwir3d/status/652471509718577152/photo/1 | 13:14 |
| lainwir3d | ok time to go back to work | 13:14 |
| lainwir3d | full unboxing there | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | nice lainwir3d | 13:15 |
| narchie | mornfall: its finnish business leadership | 13:15 |
| narchie | only apologies | 13:15 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: good! | 13:15 |
| mornfall | anyway, gotta go shopping, bye :) | 13:15 |
| Smar | it’s hard to do nothing when you’ve missed your first deadline by something like half a year :P | 13:15 |
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| Smar | so I guess it should’ve just handled differently from the start | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | would that different handling have changed anything? | 13:16 |
| Smar | of how fast you’d get the product? no | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | (in terms of delivery) | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | ok, then don't care :P | 13:16 |
| Smar | yes, but customers do | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | <- customer | 13:16 |
| Smar | or it’s more like, they don’t, they just act according the information | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | there's nothing to be done | 13:17 |
| Smar | so yes, that apologetic line is really painful to watch at | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | a delay is a delay | 13:17 |
| ggabriel | apology or not, the delay is there | 13:17 |
| lainwir3d | see you later | 13:18 |
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| ggabriel | it isnt' like people can cast opinions and suddenly jolla will say "oh, I didn't think of that! let's bring the deadline forward by 2 months" | 13:18 |
| ggabriel | and when a team is delayed at something, unless you know what you're talking about, just let them be | 13:18 |
| narchie | it's also not like they can delay it forever and just apologise it away without angering customers | 13:18 |
| Smar | ggabriel: programmers think about these things quite a bit differently than something who knows nothing about the product :) | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | narchie: customers will be angry until they get the tablet, it's a simple equation | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | Smar: the same philosophy applies for software and hardware IMO | 13:20 |
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| Smar | ggabriel: yes; my point was that customer’s don’t immediately see what programmers see, when they look at some kind of delay | 13:20 |
| Smar | and the reasons behind them | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | yeah, of course | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | and it's impossible to explain the complexit | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | +y | 13:21 |
| Smar | we do know, that things actually need time to get done, they just want the product, and don’t want to wait for christmas for a month just to see it getting postponed by a month | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | without causing even more delays in doing so | 13:21 |
| Smar | again and again | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | and i say this to my customers, and they keep paying/hiring me | 13:21 |
| Smar | apogolising just makes jolla look bad in that | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | you need to deliver eventually though :P | 13:22 |
| Smar | yeah, exactly | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | nah, i didn't perceive the apology as a negative | 13:22 |
| Smar | it’s not negative | 13:22 |
| Smar | it just looks bad | 13:22 |
| ggabriel | that's what i meant | 13:22 |
| Smar | random customer doesn’t exactly care of 6 month’s radio silence, if they have nothing real to expect to get during that time | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | if anything, i perceived steve jobs's attitude to the antenna problem like something very bad in comparison | 13:23 |
| Smar | dunno anything about that | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | iphone 4 had a design flaw, steve jobs came out on stage saying that everybody had the same flaw | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | instead of owning it up | 13:24 |
| Smar | hehe, yes, programmers will hate something like that | 13:24 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: well users are too stupid to hold their phone right ;) | 13:24 |
| Smar | random customer’s don’t see the difference | 13:24 |
| Smar | they don’t know what it’s about | 13:24 |
| entil | didn't he say you need to hold it differently | 13:24 |
| Smar | so to them, it’s just positive comment :P | 13:24 |
| entil | move your hand out of the way, and the ult sheeple did | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | i think the common customer who is eagerly waiting/impatient will be very happy when the tablet arrives | 13:25 |
| entil | *cult | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | and will forget about everything | 13:25 |
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| ggabriel | similar to the phone | 13:25 |
| Smar | ggabriel: yes, but in process being constantly reminded that everything went wrong and sorry sorry sorry we don’t do our job properly makes it harder to forget :P | 13:26 |
| Smar | just PR stuff :) | 13:26 |
| entil | that review raised an interesting point about the performance of emulating android | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | entil: i commented: you can't test performance with an emulated program | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | like, ever | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | computers 101 | 13:26 |
| Smar | what point? | 13:26 |
| entil | you were right, didn't ath you saying it | 13:27 |
| entil | damned c key | 13:27 |
| Smar | also, does the tablet really do emulation instead of providing Android support like with the phone? | 13:27 |
| entil | ustomers don't know about emulation | 13:27 |
| Smar | AFAIK the phone just has android runtime | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | well, it's tricky | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | because you have aliendalvik | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | but it's also a different arch | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | so i don't know how aliendalvik runs things compiled for arm onto intel | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | so, in theory it's all java | 13:28 |
| Smar | well, native code aside, java is crossplatform | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | but then google had this other great idea of doing native | 13:28 |
| Smar | native code, of course, won’t work on wrong arch | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | so how do they deal with native code? qemu? | 13:28 |
| Smar | same goes to native android devices | 13:28 |
| entil | unless you emulate the cpu | 13:28 |
| Smar | there is x86 android devices too, you know | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | yes, but not all zillions of applications are optimised for both archs | 13:28 |
| Smar | doesn’t android kind of enforce hardfloats nowadays? | 13:29 |
| entil | I dunno how sailfish does it but my knee-jerk reaction was it relates to emulation | 13:29 |
| Smar | that should solve the main problem with performance | 13:29 |
| entil | like how exactly | 13:29 |
| Smar | but anyway, same arguments applies to native x86 android devices | 13:29 |
| Smar | than to jolla tablet’s android support | 13:29 |
| entil | and also complaining about no google play is an eye-opening point for me who's ashamed of having hacked it in | 13:30 |
| Smar | official support would be really useful for getting the devices more widely used, yeah... | 13:31 |
| coderus | what are you talking about? aliendalvik is not an emulator | 13:31 |
| ggabriel | aliendalvik=frankenstein | 13:31 |
| entil | cpu architecture and aliendalvik overhead | 13:32 |
| ggabriel | Smar: i don't think you can get google play/services officially due to licensing restrictions | 13:32 |
| tbr | didn't intel come up with some hack to run arm native binaries? | 13:32 |
| chem|st | coderus: thanks! | 13:32 |
| Smar | ggabriel: it’d just be so useful, I just don’t really think google wants to allow it | 13:32 |
| coderus | chem|st: ? | 13:32 |
| chem|st | coderus: for pointing it out | 13:33 |
| tbr | ggabriel: the hardware needs to be certified by google and for that it needs to pass the android test suite | 13:33 |
| entil | opt-in spyware is what gplay is | 13:33 |
| entil | completely not the sailfish privacy way | 13:33 |
| Smar | no-one’s forcing you to install it :P | 13:34 |
| ggabriel | tbr: is that all? i would have thought there were other restrictions... | 13:34 |
| tbr | ggabriel: the test suite checks for compliance of hw too | 13:35 |
| entil | yeah, hence the shame, but would it ause a stir if some faq stated it so | 13:35 |
| entil | off the bus& | 13:35 |
| tbr | e.g. if it has required sensors etc | 13:36 |
| tbr | as AD doesn't have BT and some other things, it's a total non-starter. Even if you ignore the whole thing of the UI being completely different ;) | 13:36 |
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| tbr | https://source.android.com/compatibility/cts/index.html | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | maybe we can plug this into that test? https://github.com/hmlb/phpunit-vw | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | :) | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | on a more serious note, maybe the reviewer should have mentioned that there are guides out there to install gplay if you really have to | 13:40 |
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| ggabriel | put up by the community at your own risk and so on | 13:40 |
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| Smar | it’s not easy enough, and nothing you can advertize officially | 13:41 |
| Smar | (easy enough == you install it) | 13:41 |
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| tbr | there is no "market installer" yet? that used to be the first thing that came out for non compliant android devices... | 13:57 |
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| entil | tbr: what's that? a frontend for google play? | 14:14 |
| tbr | entil: people would hack up a one-stop-shop app that would take care of installing all necessary bits and guiding the user through it | 14:16 |
| entil | ah, so a google play installer, essentially | 14:18 |
| coderus | jsut get kitkat googleplay apks and copy it | 14:19 |
| coderus | there shouldn't be any problems | 14:19 |
| entil | if I got it right, getting the apks is the hard part for the common consumer | 14:20 |
| coderus | so what? | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | there are sources | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | problem is trust | 14:20 |
| coderus | install yandex store from jolla store | 14:20 |
| entil | coderus: what ggabriel said | 14:20 |
| coderus | or download amazon undergrownd apk from browser | 14:20 |
| entil | and also awareness of the sources | 14:20 |
| ggabriel | coderus: i guess the whole discussion started because of the "trusted" review mentioning that there's no google play (baby crying sound to accompany that sentence) | 14:21 |
| entil | people are like "ooh, phone! gonna install me some appz from google play!" and when you tell them about downloader sites, untrusted ones at that, their eyes glaze over and they buy samsung | 14:21 |
| coderus | tjc? | 14:22 |
| coderus | links for tablet should appear soon i hope | 14:22 |
| entil | I hope the lack of google play is not a big issue, because using tjc and such to get it installed is overestimating the average phone consumer - remember that the average phone consumer doesn't know facebook is on the internet | 14:23 |
| tbr | consumers want easy. not a twenty page tjc item with a brezillion of contradicting comments. An app with a big friendly button "Get Google Play NAO!" is about as much as they can bear. | 14:23 |
| entil | which is why some mobile providers have special mobile plans for facebook-only access[citation needed, I know it's a documented thing in asia] | 14:24 |
| coderus | lol | 14:24 |
| entil | http://gizmodo.com/sprints-new-facebook-only-data-is-a-sad-internet-future-1613266022 | 14:24 |
| ggabriel | i'll be happy if the tablet comes with a terminal | 14:24 |
| coderus | everyone know there is no google play support out-the-box | 14:24 |
| coderus | what are you discussing? | 14:24 |
| entil | coderus: the review that made a negative point about it not being there | 14:25 |
| ggabriel | the reviewer didn't know | 14:25 |
| coderus | entil: so? | 14:25 |
| entil | coderus: it's not something we can do anything about, obviously :D | 14:25 |
| coderus | what YOU discussing? | 14:25 |
| entil | that I hope it's not a big issue in the end for consumers | 14:25 |
| entil | because if it is, the reality of the situation will hurt jolla, and I don't wish that to happen | 14:26 |
| coderus | jolla phone 2 y.o. now, no play store, everybody know how to install it | 14:26 |
| * Stskeeps has a play store less phone by now | 14:26 | |
| coderus | i do not understand what you discussing | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm not a regular consumer | 14:26 |
| entil | instead I wish jolla's sales skyrocket and then it'll reach people who want sprint's $12/month plan for using facebook (but not the internet) and those people will be weirded out | 14:26 |
| Nokius_work | tbr: there was once a one click solution on openrepos iirrc | 14:26 |
| entil | and then it might un-skyrocket | 14:26 |
| coderus | if you want play store you can google: "install play store on jolla phone/tablet" | 14:26 |
| entil | I can | 14:27 |
| entil | anyway, this is meaningless, I made my point already, about hoping those who care can do that and those who don't care still buy a jolla :) | 14:27 |
| coderus | Nokius_work: never trust Schturman packages | 14:27 |
| coderus | or install it to second device in case it explode after installing rpm | 14:27 |
| Nokius_work | coderus: :D | 14:27 |
| entil | who or what is schturman? | 14:28 |
| Nokius_work | https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/google-play-installer-removed cc entil | 14:28 |
| Nokius_work | tbr ^ | 14:28 |
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| coderus | entil: the guy packageing random rpms on phone with stupid scripts making your phone unusable because he have no idea how sailfishos/linux works | 14:28 |
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| coderus | he only know copy and paste from internetz to script file :D | 14:29 |
| entil | his tmo "homepage" looks awful | 14:29 |
| * Nokius_work he is not here so no hate | 14:30 | |
| entil | anyway, I might have installed something he made if I wasn't on irc, and that makes it somewhat "dangerous" for complete noob users to google, find openrepos and warehouse, and install things, and then go boohoo - despite any warnings that this will probably fuck you up | 14:30 |
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| lainwir3d | back | 14:38 |
| PeperJohnny | how is it? | 14:39 |
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| Tofe | entil: who wouldn't want to push that big red button ? :) | 14:46 |
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| lainwir3d | PeperJohnny: Opening it right now | 14:48 |
| lainwir3d | usb poirt on charger is badly misplaced :-/ | 14:49 |
| lainwir3d | port | 14:49 |
| lainwir3d | or bent | 14:49 |
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| entil | Tofe: anyone going "oh, there's some kind of disclaimer for me getting apps, whatever, I never even read EULAs" | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: contact care with any product issues? | 14:49 |
| entil | Tofe: anyone not going | 14:49 |
| lainwir3d | Stskeeps: Well, if it works I'm fine with it | 14:49 |
| lainwir3d | it's not bad bad | 14:50 |
| entil | lainwir3d: oh you got yours already? | 14:50 |
| lainwir3d | entil: yeah | 14:50 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: surely it shouldn't be bent | 14:50 |
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| entil | I'm almost an hour into my delivery window.. I got an SMS asking for confirmation that I'm home, which I promptly acted upon, but didn't get an ACK on that | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | entil: big mistake | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | you should have responded in 1 hour or so | 14:51 |
| lainwir3d | ggabriel: probably, but it's just the charger, I have tons of it and i'll have more | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | they make a list of those who respond the quickest and deliver last to them | 14:51 |
| entil | ggabriel: I got it iirc ~16:30 and it said I have to reply before 16:45 | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: oh, i thought you meant the female bit | 14:51 |
| lainwir3d | no :-) | 14:51 |
| lainwir3d | Or I'd be crying right now | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | entil: you should have waited till 16.44 then | 14:52 |
| Nicd- | the charger only has a female usb port, doesn't it..? | 14:52 |
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| ggabriel | i'll rephrase: I thought it was the microusb port on the tablet | 14:52 |
| Nicd- | ah | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | a dodgy usb cable nobody cares about really | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | actually, some people may do | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | read tmo otherwise :P | 14:52 |
| lainwir3d | It's the mural part | 14:53 |
| lainwir3d | But I don't really care either. It seems to work | 14:53 |
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| lainwir3d | ggabriel: http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=26706 | 14:57 |
| lainwir3d | it got a bit better after plugin a usb cable | 14:58 |
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| lainwir3d | But well, as I said it works well, so I don't care | 14:58 |
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| ggabriel | lainwir3d: a bit out of focus :P | 14:59 |
| ggabriel | is a 2A charger really required? won't any of my 1A ones work just the same? | 15:00 |
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| Nicd- | I guess 1A could do if you are not using it | 15:01 |
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| TemeV | If you're not in a horry charging it, 1A charger should do fine. | 15:04 |
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| entil | c'est uncroyable, I left a call request to the courier to know if I can make _any_ plans for tonight re: delivery - and he called me and told me he's here within 10 minutes :DD | 15:10 |
| coderus | with 1A charger tablet might discharge while you playing some heavy game | 15:10 |
| Coolgeek | entil: uncroyable => incroyable | 15:11 |
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| lainwir3d | ggabriel: I guess 1A is enough, but i liked having 2x1A charging port | 15:16 |
| lainwir3d | for Jolla smartphone and tablet :P | 15:16 |
| entil | it's been over a decade since j'etudie francais and the ortography was even more brutal when I had to know it for class :D | 15:16 |
| entil | but now time for some unboxing & | 15:17 |
| lainwir3d | :D | 15:17 |
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| coderus | https://together.jolla.com/question/114608/howto-install-gapps-gplay-kk-on-tablet/ | 15:18 |
| Aciid | which comes first. Jolla Tablet or Santaclaus? | 15:18 |
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| lainwir3d | love the latsucase | 15:19 |
| Nicd- | lainwir3d: does it have alignment issues? some of them have apparently | 15:19 |
| lainwir3d | alignment ? | 15:20 |
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| narchie | love this VAT bill | 15:21 |
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| Nicd- | lainwir3d: like, one of the pieces being with wrong angle | 15:21 |
| lainwir3d | doesn't seems like it | 15:21 |
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| narchie | finnish craftmanship | 15:22 |
| lainwir3d | I'll take pictures | 15:23 |
| Azog | i contributed at Nov 19. is there an estimation, when my tablet will arrive? | 15:23 |
| Aciid | the vinyl really completes it | 15:23 |
| narchie | Azog: may 2015 | 15:24 |
| coderus | blog.jolla.com please | 15:24 |
| coderus | last post | 15:24 |
| Azog | narchie: that's what the mail says *g* | 15:24 |
| Aciid | you can have birch vinyl and wood vinyl and other types of wood vinyl | 15:24 |
| narchie | nothing in the blog | 15:24 |
| narchie | just "i apologize" | 15:24 |
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| Azog | and "first batch" in chronological order | 15:26 |
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| narchie | how is jolla | 15:27 |
| narchie | is marcdillon still #peoplePowered | 15:28 |
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| Aciid | march went to power other #paypalpowered companies | 15:29 |
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| attah | It's here!!111oneoneeleven | 15:33 |
| Nicd- | ?!"?€?!€?!$”¡¢”¡¢¡\‰ | 15:33 |
| mornfall | ow, c'mon | 15:33 |
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| lainwir3d | pictures incoming | 15:35 |
| attah | yeah.. i'll see if they turned out ok | 15:35 |
| attah | was changing the hostname of the tablet so i can scp them over from the phone more easily | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | hehe, modern technology is amazing. I'm sitting in a bus in the middle of rural Finland, I'm talking to people thousands of kilometers away and can instantly see pictures of their new mini computers that can do more calculations per second than I can do in a lifetime | 15:37 |
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| mornfall | that's only because your wetware is not quite digital | 15:37 |
| lainwir3d | https://twitter.com/lainwir3d/status/652508517249720321 | 15:39 |
| lainwir3d | with lastucase | 15:39 |
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| Hartzi | https://instagram.com/p/8nu9gOFyGZ/ | 15:40 |
| lainwir3d | Higher resolution pictures of mine : http://profge2.iut-cachan.u-psud.fr/owncloud/index.php/s/vwLgm0i7Smx2FVJ | 15:41 |
| lainwir3d | anyone wants a particular point of view of the tablet ? Before I leave and get home | 15:42 |
| Sailor12328 | Nicd: dont underestimate your brain :-) | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | Sailor12328: well, it's different. it's not doing arithmetic per se | 15:43 |
| lainwir3d | Hmmm... when standing with the lastucase the power and volumes buttons are on the bottom :-( | 15:43 |
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| lainwir3d | But the usb port for charging is on the top, I guess it's more important | 15:43 |
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| Armadillo | you can manage power and volume with the ui | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | Sailor12328: I mean I can easily estimate if I can jump the distance between two rocks for example, but it's not based on calculations. if I had to calculate it, it would be very slow | 15:44 |
| entil | got a weird "com.foo.blah not installed" installing aptoide, maybe because I was installing yandex at the same time | 15:44 |
| Armadillo | keep the triple finger loudness change in mind ;) | 15:44 |
| entil | not sure if Stskeeps or anyone knows that's an issue or if it even is an issue for everyone | 15:45 |
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| entil | and lulz, aptoide wants to update yandex.store | 15:45 |
| lainwir3d | hehe | 15:46 |
| entil | didn't know there was some kind of crossing between them | 15:47 |
| entil | afaict yandex might be too much in russian anyway | 15:47 |
| Sailor12328 | entil: got that too (yandex) | 15:48 |
| entil | installing os update now anyway | 15:48 |
| eugenio | which version was the tablet shipped with? | 15:49 |
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| eugenio | and congrats to everyone, waiting patiently to get mine in December (hopefully) :D | 15:49 |
| Nicd- | entil: there is no connection, aptoide just checks all apk versions | 15:49 |
| Nicd- | it will offer updates to apks installed from jolla store | 15:50 |
| attah | eugenio: 1.1.9.24 | 15:50 |
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| eugenio | ok | 15:50 |
| attah | 1.1.9.28 is available | 15:50 |
| entil | Nicd-: nice | 15:50 |
| attah | wut.. why no split keyboard on the tablet? i have big hands.. but not that big :S | 15:50 |
| eugenio | there should be one in landscape | 15:51 |
| Hartzi | attah: there is | 15:51 |
| attah | Hartzi: need to turn it on? | 15:51 |
| Hartzi | in landscape | 15:51 |
| Nicd- | there is a setting for it | 15:51 |
| Hartzi | attah: yes | 15:51 |
| attah | found it! thanks | 15:51 |
| attah | much better | 15:52 |
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| eugenio | sooooooo | 15:52 |
| chem|st | attah: settings | 15:52 |
| eugenio | thoughts on the screen? | 15:52 |
| Hartzi | eugenio: the screen is nice | 15:52 |
| chem|st | eugenio: almost feels 3D | 15:53 |
| eugenio | lol | 15:53 |
| eugenio | great | 15:53 |
| attah | feels a bit (too) yellowish to me, but it is really nice indeed | 15:54 |
| eugenio | build quality? | 15:54 |
| eugenio | of the device as a whole, I mean | 15:55 |
| attah | it's good, like the aluminum backside | 15:55 |
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| Nicd- | it's aluminum? | 15:55 |
| Hartzi | noo | 15:55 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 15:56 |
| Hartzi | plastic | 15:56 |
| attah | yup | 15:56 |
| lainwir3d | not plastic | 15:56 |
| Nicd- | I thought trustedreviews said it was all plastic | 15:56 |
| lainwir3d | like the review mentioned | 15:56 |
| lainwir3d | too cold to be plastic | 15:56 |
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| Hartzi | lainwir3d: are you sure? It feels like plastic | 15:56 |
| lainwir3d | well, it seems trustedreview are not to be trusted | 15:56 |
| eugenio | yep, that's why I'm asking | 15:56 |
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| lainwir3d | which is quite a statement | 15:56 |
| attah | no.. feel it with your lips or something, alu(alloy?) for sure | 15:56 |
| lainwir3d | I'm sure of it | 15:56 |
| lainwir3d | doesn't feel like plastic at all | 15:56 |
| Hartzi | but it's not metal either | 15:57 |
| attah | i think it is painted | 15:57 |
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| lainwir3d | honestly the backcover looks and feel metallic to me | 15:57 |
| attah | as opposed to that electroplating thingy | 15:57 |
| lainwir3d | but i'm not an expert | 15:57 |
| newcup | attah: you already kissed it? | 15:58 |
| Hartzi | it feels much more syntetic material | 15:58 |
| attah | newcup: yes? | 15:58 |
| Hartzi | composite or something | 15:58 |
| newcup | :) | 15:58 |
| newcup | "my precioussss" | 15:58 |
| attah | the lastu is a littel too handmade for my taste | 15:59 |
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| entil | one of the magnets had come loose, or maybe that was the point, but I had to reattach it | 16:00 |
| entil | I was a bit wtf about why I'd want a gluey sticky magnet on the topside of my jolla | 16:00 |
| entil | and why there's an empty hole on the back | 16:00 |
| attah | entil: same here, and the back leaher is not straight and has a bad wipe job of glue spillage | 16:01 |
| Nicd- | seems quite many have issues with the lastucase | 16:01 |
| Nicd- | shame, my tohkbd lastucase is really good :/ | 16:01 |
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| lainwir3d | mine seems fine | 16:03 |
| lainwir3d | I'll look better at it later | 16:03 |
| lainwir3d | I have to go for now | 16:03 |
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| lainwir3d | see ya | 16:03 |
| attah | anyone have youtube working on the tablet? | 16:03 |
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| lainwir3d | will check later :P Time to go drink and show my tablet to all my friends | 16:04 |
| lainwir3d | o/ | 16:04 |
| attah | \o | 16:04 |
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| Nicd- | whut | 16:05 |
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| attah | maybe he tried an irc app for the tablet? :P | 16:05 |
| HtheB | test | 16:05 |
| Mikaela | does tablet have wider selection that Communi Sailfish? | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | guess I should recompile my apps for the tablet | 16:05 |
| HtheB | trying again: | 16:06 |
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| HtheB | ugh | 16:06 |
| Nicd- | HtheB: don't test that :P | 16:06 |
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| Mikaela | flood limits exist for a reason, hope that you won't get automatically klined or something too | 16:06 |
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| HtheB | ugh | 16:07 |
| HtheB | doesnt even work on pm | 16:07 |
| Mikaela | flood limits exist for a reason, hope that you won't get automatically klined or something too | 16:07 |
| Mikaela | for higher limits, op or voice yourself | 16:07 |
| Mikaela | what are you trying? | 16:07 |
| HtheB | just sharing something awesome :P | 16:07 |
| HtheB | at least, trying to | 16:07 |
| Mikaela | you might be looking for a pastebin | 16:07 |
| HtheB | http://i.asdf.us/im/2c/1444405989283-ascii-.png | 16:07 |
| HtheB | fuck | 16:07 |
| HtheB | wrong link | 16:07 |
| HtheB | http://i.asdf.us/im/8b/1444406906002-ascii-.png | 16:08 |
| HtheB | ^ correct one :P | 16:08 |
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| Nicd- | don't paste that into a channel | 16:08 |
| Nicd- | even if it looks cool | 16:08 |
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| entil | so under which imgur category would pictures go? | 16:10 |
| entil | storytime? | 16:10 |
| Nicd- | ? | 16:10 |
| entil | imgur has the option of posting pics under a topic | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | entil: if it's a android runtime issue, file a tjc bug, new android runtime version | 16:11 |
| entil | maybe I'll leave that empty | 16:11 |
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| Nicd- | entil: you don't have to do that if you don't publish them into the imgur gallery | 16:12 |
| entil | Stskeeps: I can't confirm it, already installed.. unless I can reproduce later, but I think it might be gone | 16:12 |
| Nicd- | you can still share them freely | 16:12 |
| entil | Nicd-: oh I want to make this public :D | 16:12 |
| entil | see what kind of reaction follows | 16:12 |
| chem|st | attah: tablet and phone are the same OS why should it be different by recompiling something for x86? | 16:12 |
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| attah | chem|st: if re the irc stuff it was a (bad) joke | 16:13 |
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| Stskeeps | attah: enable it in input settings | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | (split keyboard) | 16:13 |
| entil | http://imgur.com/gallery/i9xjA | 16:13 |
| attah | Stskeeps: got that advice previously.. works great | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:14 |
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| attah | can also confirm upping to .28 solved youtube | 16:14 |
| chem|st | Hartzi: it is anodized aluminum | 16:14 |
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| entil | Stskeeps: weird weird things | 16:26 |
| entil | Stskeeps: I uninstalled the android appstores to try to reproduce | 16:26 |
| entil | Stskeeps: now it asks me about installing updates to existing apps, yandex has org.onepf.openiab.permission.BILLING listed there | 16:27 |
| entil | Stskeeps: and finally yandex.store says app no installed and offers me only the done button | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | entil: file issues at together.* | 16:27 |
| entil | Stskeeps: hehe | 16:27 |
| entil | Stskeeps: maybe that's what caused the initial problem as well | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | any early things noticed the better | 16:27 |
| entil | if together.* means store files hosting | 16:28 |
| entil | that it's just about bandwidth or something in the servers | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, any problems you might encounter.. | 16:28 |
| entil | now jolla store says I have yandex installed - it's not visible in the apps list | 16:28 |
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| entil | not sure how I'd formulate this on tjc - can I help on irc somehow? | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | nah, let's get it tracked properly there | 16:29 |
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| entil | can you give me just a couple of minutes to prepare for a debugfest? | 16:29 |
| entil | got to take a piss etc :D | 16:29 |
| entil | bbiab& | 16:30 |
| * Stskeeps ponders wine and movie | 16:30 | |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: sounds like a grand idea | 16:31 |
| electrolux | Stskeeps: sounds good! Though live debugging with entil could turn out to be entertaining too :p | 16:31 |
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| Hartzi | chem|st: ok | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | electrolux: while drinking wine! | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:35 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: should I get popcorn? | 16:35 |
| chem|st | haven't opened the wine yet | 16:36 |
| eugenio | which kernel does the tablet have? | 16:36 |
| chem|st | 5.6 | 16:36 |
| entil | Stskeeps: back, what can I do for you? | 16:36 |
| chem|st | entil: do you have a bottle opener? | 16:36 |
| eugenio | chem|st, that's bleeding edge! | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | entil: oh a bottle of wine would be good... :P | 16:36 |
| chem|st | eugenio: dripping | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | entil: 3.10 | 16:36 |
| entil | chem|st: I also popped a brew here | 16:36 |
| entil | Stskeeps: but if there's anything re: debugging the android stores, I'm here now | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | entil: not really much to do, report what you saw, what version(s) | 16:37 |
| eugenio | mh nice. At least there isn't btrfs :D | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | entil: yeah, is lvm and ext4 | 16:38 |
| entil | Stskeeps: the original issue came during initial installation, I selected the two appstores | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | er, eugenio | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | entil: ok | 16:38 |
| entil | Stskeeps: and then I tried reproducing it _after_ the os update | 16:38 |
| entil | when yandex said something about an update and that it's not installed after all - not sure but I'd guess the android files or whatever under aliendalvik got confused | 16:38 |
| entil | and they must be confused now that the store says yandex is installed but I have no icon for it | 16:39 |
| entil | can I clean this up completely? like uninstall android support altogether and reinstall it? | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | that's one way i gues | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | s | 16:39 |
| entil | ok, lemme do that | 16:39 |
| eugenio | one last question Stskeeps: I guess it's pretty easy to dual boot another linux distribution on the thing, is the bootloader locked? (also, does the tablet use an EFI firmware?) | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | eugenio: it's not locked but you need a usb otg and keyboard to get there | 16:40 |
| eugenio | nice | 16:41 |
| entil | Stskeeps: ok, uninstalling android support did not clean out aptoide and yandex still thinks it's installed - though trying to launch aptoide tells me to install android support :S | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | entil: that's not good :) | 16:41 |
| eugenio | thanks :) | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | eugenio: got one? | 16:41 |
| chem|st | uh | 16:41 |
| eugenio | Stskeeps, should wait until december :( | 16:41 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: so basically... it's not too difficult? | 16:42 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: not difficult | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: i tried installing windows at some point when i was really pissed off | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't succeed | 16:42 |
| entil | Stskeeps: yeah, I'd expect removing android support to remove all traces of android on my device... is that a possible future feature? or a current bug? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | entil: smells like bug | 16:42 |
| Yaniel | :D | 16:42 |
| chem|st | lol | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: i'll let you guys figure out how to deal with it :) | 16:42 |
| entil | well, reinstalling android support seems to take a while, *sips beer* | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | chances are better on linux distros | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me i need to do a gpl dump of the thing.. | 16:43 |
| chem|st | entil: iirc you need to reboot to clean up android stuff | 16:43 |
| Yaniel | I think I'll pass for now, still haven't figured the rust thing | 16:43 |
| entil | chem|st: after uninstalling android support? | 16:43 |
| Yaniel | ...and I should probably learn rust properly before bothering with cross-compilation anyawy | 16:43 |
| entil | after this is installed, I can uninstall and reboot, no problem | 16:43 |
| chem|st | entil: even android apps, but to assure you, that is the same on android itself faiK | 16:44 |
| entil | I'm not surprised android leaves traces behind it like it's the windows registry but I wouldn't mind sailfish being clean about it :D | 16:44 |
| entil | so umm I'll uninstall and reboot now, if that's the best chance to have a clean slate | 16:44 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: maybe post a pic of ubuntu booting^^ | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: over my dead body :) | 16:45 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: we can arrange that | 16:45 |
| entil | (as a side note, got to say I love using this with the lastucase.. never got into tablets before, so maybe this is old to everyone, but there's something magical about it :D) | 16:46 |
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| entil | wtf, now I see both stores though jolla store shows the green not-installed icon | 16:47 |
| entil | and I have no android support installed | 16:47 |
| entil | sorry Stskeeps but I think there's something here to look into | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | entil: so do i, i'm just not going to debug it, let's see if others can reproduce :) | 16:47 |
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| entil | now I can't even uninstall the things.. | 16:47 |
| entil | yeah, this is not urgent or anything, but like I said, I don't know how to formulate this on tjc | 16:48 |
| entil | do you have someone at jolla, or maybe a working day, to try to reproduce based on this irc log? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, if you are really bored you can factory reset and try to replicate, help other users.. | 16:48 |
| chem|st | entil: take screenshots and brag on together about it! | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | "first tablet bug!" | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:48 |
| entil | yeah, why not, all I did was install smpc | 16:48 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah firstworldproblems entil, "waaaaaah i got the tablet and it doesnt work" | 16:49 |
| entil | it works but I want to help just a little bit if there's a problem :P | 16:49 |
| chem|st | entil: go for it | 16:49 |
| chem|st | D0 IT! | 16:50 |
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| entil | already did.. it's clearing.. | 16:50 |
| chem|st | ;) | 16:50 |
| * chem|st grabs popcorn | 16:50 | |
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| entil | this might be a silly question, but did it power itself down or should I just wait? :D | 16:52 |
| entil | will I fuck it up if I hit the power button now? :D | 16:52 |
| entil | chem|st: pass me some of that popcorn | 16:52 |
| * chem|st throws popcorn at entil | 16:53 | |
| chem|st | _catch_ | 16:53 |
| eugenio | last time I did a factory reset, the phone shut down and I needed to start it manually | 16:53 |
| chem|st | eugenio: iirc that is a good thing? | 16:53 |
| eugenio | but I guess the factory reset operation is pretty different on the tablet | 16:53 |
| eugenio | well I expected it to reboot, at least :D | 16:53 |
| entil | I powered it on manually and just realized there's no clear led or anything for it being on, or maybe it's coverd by the lastucase | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | entil: there's no LED | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:54 |
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| chem|st | eugenio: as factory resetting should only be necessary when selling the phone... it is a desired thing to not boot | 16:54 |
| entil | Stskeeps: maybe in the next tablet, then ;) | 16:54 |
| eugenio | that's also true | 16:54 |
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| chem|st | and to be honest, apart of forceful resets I did not reset ever | 16:55 |
| chem|st | forceful as in, had to send it to care | 16:55 |
| entil | Stskeeps: now shit gets real, I got the two stores selected and gonna swipe next | 16:55 |
| chem|st | well if I do not count the 5 resets in 2013 :) | 16:55 |
| chem|st | and the 3 after I got it back from care | 16:56 |
| entil | also a feature to skip the tutorial would be nice... | 16:56 |
| chem|st | entil: tap corners clockwise | 16:56 |
| chem|st | starting top left | 16:56 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: whilst one legged | 16:56 |
| eugenio | I have reset two times IIRC, but just to have a faster way to clean-up the device | 16:56 |
| r0kk3rz | entil: and saying the alphabet backwards | 16:56 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: while doing pushups | 16:57 |
| entil | what if I just d*ckslap it with a rubber d*ck? | 16:57 |
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| chem|st | entil: nothing will happen | 16:57 |
| entil | :( | 16:58 |
| Yaniel | that's not how rubber duck debugging works | 16:58 |
| chem|st | but tapping corners works just fine even with a dildo as long as it has a conductive tip | 16:58 |
| entil | I tried the corners but it didn't close anything, thought it was a troll | 16:59 |
| entil | anyway, yandex.store asks for permissions | 16:59 |
| chem|st | entil: nope that was no trolling, that is how it works, I just do not remember which corner first | 16:59 |
| entil | Stskeeps: !!! com.aptoide.partners X App not installed. | 16:59 |
| chem|st | top* | 17:00 |
| entil | so it did break after a factory reset | 17:00 |
| chem|st | entil: post to tjc | 17:00 |
| Yaniel | top left is the first corner iirc | 17:00 |
| entil | and jolla store says aptoide is installed | 17:01 |
| eugenio | are you still on 1.1.9.24? | 17:01 |
| entil | chem|st: unless stskeeps got notes of this and can handle it internally - but if he asks me to I'll collate a post somehow | 17:01 |
| Yaniel | yup, on the phone it is top left | 17:01 |
| entil | but the problem is that I will not want to reproduce this with factory resets after today | 17:01 |
| ggabriel | anybody tethered tablet with jolla phone yet? | 17:03 |
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| chem|st | entil: he asked you twice already | 17:04 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: in which way? | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | to get internet | 17:05 |
| chem|st | sure | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | i'm curious as to whether you can ssh to/from the jolla phone | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | in addition to internet tethering | 17:05 |
| entil | chem|st: I saw one line about it, and if it's an android runtime issue, which I don't know it is | 17:05 |
| chem|st | why shouldn't you? | 17:05 |
| ggabriel | you should | 17:05 |
| entil | but ok, seems like it's android-related enough to be a runtime thing | 17:05 |
| chem|st | entil: me neither so report it! | 17:05 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: jolla has wifi hotspot, ive sshed over wifi hotspor before i think | 17:05 |
| Yaniel | I certainly have | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | nothing tablet specific there | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | excellent, thanks | 17:06 |
| ggabriel | now the tablet can rsync stuff with the phone :P | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: did you ever connect a jphone in developer mode to the tablet using otg? | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | curious to know how it will handle the rndis | 17:09 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: fails, all microsoft BS fails | 17:09 |
| chem|st | kbd works :) | 17:10 |
| locusf | so whats up? | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: im sure we can compile a few things to make it work | 17:10 |
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| chem|st | locusf: drinking wine watching this game ;) | 17:11 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: the phone gets in limbo | 17:11 |
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| chem|st | r0kk3rz: samsung-exfat? | 17:14 |
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| chem|st | got a 64gb pendrive to test ;) | 17:14 |
| chem|st | well no exfat on that anymore... | 17:14 |
| chem|st | hmm | 17:14 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: that sounds useful actually | 17:15 |
| chem|st | not for me yet, I have zero devices with exfat | 17:19 |
| chem|st | first thing I do with exfat SDs pendrives etc is to mkfs.$something-I-can-use | 17:20 |
| r0kk3rz | yes, and it would be nice to not have to do that | 17:22 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: I cannot use exfat in other devices so why should I want to preserve it anyway? | 17:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | naturally, you can choose whatever filesystem best suits your need | 17:24 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: I'd love to have SDs shipped with something useful | 17:24 |
| chem|st | and have the standard be something open | 17:24 |
| chem|st | just like rndis became the thing as it is the only thing microsoft properly supports as it is their own BS | 17:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | sure that would also be nice | 17:27 |
| r0kk3rz | but we live in a world where microsoft exists, and abuses their nigh-on-monopoly of desktop computers | 17:28 |
| coderus | ntfs? | 17:28 |
| entil | Stskeeps, chem|st https://together.jolla.com/question/114619/android-stores-on-tablet/ hth | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | entil: ta | 17:31 |
| eugenio | entil, IIRC the android applications in the store are still packages as rpms | 17:33 |
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| eugenio | have you tried removing it from the command line? | 17:33 |
| eugenio | packaged* | 17:33 |
| entil | eugenio: I actually decided that now that the issue is posted on tjc, I'll do one last factory reset and not install any android stores until I crave silly little games :P | 17:34 |
| entil | instead configure the native apps and settings I want | 17:34 |
| entil | put the icons in proper folders, that kind of thing | 17:34 |
| eugenio | haha | 17:34 |
| entil | the thing is, I like some android apps like uber on my phone, and I imagine people play games on their tablets, but I think I'll let this dog lie for a while | 17:35 |
| eugenio | yup, probably | 17:37 |
| eugenio | I don't have aliendalvik on my phone anymore, but I will probably keep it on the tablet | 17:37 |
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| inte | hello | 17:37 |
| inte | i have no idea how to track my tablet | 17:38 |
| inte | im located in germany | 17:38 |
| entil | eugenio: I never got into playing those android games, so I'm not really missing out.. the reason I chose both app stores to begin with was so I could look around, but meh | 17:38 |
| inte | i received a tracking number | 17:38 |
| inte | my service should be tnt/dpd nl (?) | 17:39 |
| inte | neither of these Services exists when i follow the link jolla provided | 17:39 |
| entil | beats me, bob; I got an sms from dhl.fi with the tracking code | 17:40 |
| inte | i googled and checked tnt, dpd and also dhl with the number jolla provided but no success, number doesnt exist in neither service | 17:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | inte: how long ago did you get the tracking number? | 17:41 |
| inte | anybody from germany here who received a tracking code? | 17:41 |
| eugenio | entil, the same. But it also helped the fact that my previous phone OS wasn't as apps-packed as android is | 17:41 |
| inte | i guess yesterday | 17:41 |
| eugenio | inte, I heard that you need to add a 0 at the end | 17:41 |
| eugenio | to make it work | 17:41 |
| eugenio | or at the end or at the beginning | 17:42 |
| inte | at which service? | 17:42 |
| chem|st | inte: add a leading 0 (zero) | 17:42 |
| eugenio | tnt/dpd | 17:42 |
| attah | inte: it says which courier at the bottom of the email | 17:42 |
| chem|st | eugenio: leading not tailing | 17:42 |
| inte | tnt OR dpd? | 17:42 |
| chem|st | inte: dpd germany should work | 17:42 |
| inte | yes it says tnt/dpd nl | 17:42 |
| eugenio | yup, you're right | 17:42 |
| inte | ok will try | 17:42 |
| chem|st | inte: take your tracking number something 51xxxx | 17:43 |
| chem|st | add a 0 so it is 051xxxx | 17:43 |
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| attah | .. as long as it's not in scientific notation :D | 17:43 |
| chem|st | hit that at the dpd.de websites tracking | 17:43 |
| inte | nice guess, that worked!! | 17:45 |
| inte | thanks! | 17:45 |
| inte | my tablet is in amsterdam today | 17:46 |
| inte | hope it wont be to stoned until it arrives here :) | 17:46 |
| inte | could make until tomorrow | 17:47 |
| inte | that would be a nice weekend!! | 17:47 |
| inte | :) | 17:47 |
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| chem|st | :) | 17:48 |
| HtheB | I missed dpd today... | 17:51 |
| inte | Uh, sorry | 17:51 |
| inte | dont they have shops to grep it at night? | 17:51 |
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| Yaniel | maybe in unix-town | 17:53 |
| inte | ?? | 17:54 |
| inte | Usually these shops dont close befor 8pm | 17:54 |
| inte | or even later if they are located in e.g. a filling station | 17:55 |
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| inte | i guess here they close at 10pm, but its a rural area | 17:55 |
| inte | and in a filling station | 17:55 |
| inte | im hamburg the close at 8pm i guesd | 17:56 |
| inte | or maybe also 10 | 17:56 |
| inte | btw who figured out the 0-trick? | 17:57 |
| Yaniel | 0-trick? | 17:57 |
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| inte | the leading 0 needed to check the trackng number | 17:58 |
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| cptG | hrm. has anyone ever accessed the calender from C++? I just tried with mkcal-qt5 and it denies access to /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal so I guess this is not the route to go... | 17:59 |
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| HtheB | coderus | 18:11 |
| HtheB | Would it be possible to get the "Open With..." part of Android when opening something? | 18:11 |
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| HtheB | For example, on Android, if you open a link, it will directly show you which app you want to use to open up the link | 18:12 |
| HtheB | Or a video file, it will show what app you want to use to open the file | 18:12 |
| HtheB | It would be great to have some "forwarder" :) | 18:12 |
| HtheB | this means that (for example) you can pick whatever browser you want, instead of Setting 1 'static' browser | 18:14 |
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| coderus | HtheB: override is not possible | 18:15 |
| coderus | it only possible to make a tool which developers would use | 18:15 |
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| HtheB | override? | 18:16 |
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| coderus | HtheB: did you develop anything, which opening links for example? | 18:16 |
| HtheB | only PulleyMyFinger :P | 18:17 |
| coderus | :) | 18:17 |
| HtheB | yes, it has a link on it which opens up the browser | 18:17 |
| coderus | so, Qt.openUrlExternally call? | 18:17 |
| HtheB | yes | 18:18 |
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| cptG | HtheB: tremendous props to you for PulleyMyFinger. Most important tool on my Jolla ;) | 18:20 |
| chem|st | inte: looking up what dpd tracking numbers look like... 051xxx was the result | 18:21 |
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| coderus | HtheB: so you can't do anything, except opening application for this urischeme | 18:21 |
| cptG | HtheB: I've been thinking about some kind of forwarder as well. My non-tested theory is (I have NO idea really) to just register an app for any urischeme imaginable and then forward the url to some configured app | 18:22 |
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| inte | chem ok nice thx! | 18:22 |
| HtheB | some android apps are opening urls in jolla browser | 18:23 |
| HtheB | which I do not want | 18:23 |
| coderus | HtheB: open question on tjc please | 18:23 |
| coderus | or cote for existing one | 18:23 |
| HtheB | better yet, it shouldn't open with the browser at all (on real android, you dont have this behaviour, you can pick your own app which you need) | 18:23 |
| coderus | vote* | 18:23 |
| coderus | i'm not responsible or android side | 18:23 |
| HtheB | i wish I could explain my problem more easily :P | 18:23 |
| HtheB | sure I know | 18:24 |
| coderus | only for sailfishos | 18:24 |
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| HtheB | but maybe you know how we can achieve something :P | 18:24 |
| HtheB | worth the shot :D | 18:24 |
| coderus | i can make application for selecting what do you want if you do something in sailfish | 18:24 |
| coderus | not i android | 18:24 |
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| attah | The headphone amp seems pretty nice in the tablet :) | 18:24 |
| cptG | oh I think I've been thinking about what coderus just mentioned - the sailfish side of things... | 18:25 |
| attah | do we know anything about it? | 18:25 |
| HtheB | coderus: ok, what about some "Open With..." in Sailfish side? :D | 18:25 |
| HtheB | instead of assigning something directly, you can have an option to Open something with something else | 18:26 |
| cptG | coderus: If you're not going to develop it, I think I might take a shot in the next few weeks. I'm also thinking about offering an optional "Share with..." so you could share an URL from anywhere instead of opening it in the browser. Sounds handy in my mind at least ;) | 18:27 |
| coderus | cptG: sure | 18:30 |
| HtheB | cptG: that would be great | 18:30 |
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| cptG | I think so, too that's why I've been thinking about it. Now that I know that someone besides me would actually use it, I'll have a look as soon as possible. Yay! | 18:31 |
| HtheB | coderus: the problem that I have for example is that opening a video stream in an app, opens up the browser, which actually should open up a videoplayer | 18:31 |
| HtheB | instead of streaming, it downloads the stream :P | 18:31 |
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| cptG | coderus: you don't happen to know anything about calendar access form C++, do you? | 18:32 |
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| coderus | cptG: no idea about calendar | 18:45 |
| coderus | but https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-calendar should help you | 18:45 |
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| lainwir3d | whuuuut | 18:52 |
| cptG | coderus: ah, that looks promising. | 18:52 |
| lainwir3d | no terminal on the tablet | 18:53 |
| cptG | thanks! | 18:53 |
| kid | lainwir3d: Enable developer mode? </shotInTheDark> | 18:53 |
| lainwir3d | oh yeah, right | 18:54 |
| lainwir3d | forgot about that | 18:54 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 18:54 |
| lainwir3d | I was looking for it in the store >_> | 18:54 |
| kid | :) | 18:55 |
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| cptG | phew :) | 18:55 |
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| coderus | lol :D | 19:01 |
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| attah | bah! second time wifi has stopped working on the tablet.. anyone else? | 19:11 |
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| inte | lainwir3d hehe | 19:20 |
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| inte | attah 5ghz or 2.4ghz? | 19:21 |
| inte | logs? | 19:22 |
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| stephg | attah: you have your tablet already? | 19:22 |
| attah | stephg: yup :) | 19:23 |
| stephg | you like? | 19:23 |
| stephg | (wifi notwithstanding) | 19:23 |
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| attah | inte: 2.4.. i'll check.. | 19:24 |
| attah | stephg: yeah, it's really nice | 19:24 |
| attah | i'm sure wifi is software at worst pebkac at best | 19:25 |
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| inte | ? | 19:26 |
| inte | pebkac? | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: no doubt theres a whole bunch of adaptation issues to be uncovered | 19:26 |
| stephg | user error | 19:26 |
| stephg | inte: ^^ | 19:26 |
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| inte | :) | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | somewhat odd to use when describing a tablet | 19:27 |
| inte | hehe | 19:27 |
| attah | true :P | 19:27 |
| attah | pebtac? | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe we need a pebvkac for these modern times | 19:28 |
| Lieke_ | layer 8 | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | problem exists between virtual keyboard and couch | 19:28 |
| attah | online check failed for <some hex> TROLOLOL <-- my ssid | 19:28 |
| coderus | HtheB: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1484933&postcount=14 | 19:29 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: nice one | 19:29 |
| attah | who the "#¤%& devided to make more the default pager?! | 19:30 |
| attah | c | 19:31 |
| Mikaela | maybe it came with busybox or with something else "for free" | 19:31 |
| lainwir3d | I hope more developers will get theirs soon | 19:31 |
| lainwir3d | so that we can get apps faster | 19:31 |
| lainwir3d | Well | 19:31 |
| lainwir3d | Time to try usb on the go | 19:31 |
| lainwir3d | with usb audio :D | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | O_x | 19:31 |
| lainwir3d | I'm not going to bet it'll work | 19:32 |
| lainwir3d | hope my tablet will not catch fire | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt more usually the default pager? | 19:32 |
| attah | Mikaela: probably.. installed less now | 19:33 |
| attah | r0kk3rz: not on the systems i usually use, save solaris | 19:33 |
| stephg | people still use Solaris? :P | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | lainwir3d: i've done really mean stuff to my tablet and that has not yet happened. | 19:34 |
| attah | stephg: can we please not talk about it without significantly more beer? | 19:34 |
| stephg | attah: I have beer, so I feel free to continue | 19:35 |
| * Stskeeps used solaris on his NAS until a year ago | 19:35 | |
| lainwir3d | o_O | 19:35 |
| * stephg has not had to touch solaris professionally since 2009 | 19:35 | |
| lainwir3d | usb audio detected | 19:35 |
| lainwir3d | so usb on the go seems to work | 19:35 |
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| attah | stephg: i'm out of beer :( | 19:35 |
| stephg | ZOMG SOMEONE GET THAT MAN BEER! | 19:35 |
| lainwir3d | now I'm not sure pulseaudio is going to route the audio to the usb headphone correctly | 19:36 |
| attah | i prioritized the tablet overbuying food/beer | 19:36 |
| lainwir3d | OMG | 19:36 |
| lainwir3d | it works | 19:36 |
| lainwir3d | can't believe it | 19:36 |
| lainwir3d | Jolla, I love you | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | the magic of pulseaudio | 19:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wonder if lennart ordered his tablet | 19:39 |
| stephg | lol | 19:39 |
| stephg | right dinnertiem bbl | 19:39 |
| the_mgt | are there official statements from the cult leaders of linux on the jolla phone? anyone using one? | 19:40 |
| the_mgt | I saw linus dad in a "the first one" shirt, iirc | 19:41 |
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| r0kk3rz | no idea | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | not super sure why linus would care, his kernel is on a bajillion phones worldwide | 19:43 |
| lainwir3d | Tablet picture : https://twitter.com/lainwir3d/status/652569952407437314 | 19:44 |
| the_mgt | well, if toilet brush runs linux, it does not need to make you proud i guess | 19:44 |
| inte | btw is there still a opensolaris release for sparc64? | 19:45 |
| lainwir3d | Now... would be nice to get the 5.1 channels working :P | 19:45 |
| inte | illuminos seems to be intel only | 19:45 |
| the_mgt | the thing is, most linuxes i us "as a linux" are GNU/linux systems. and the 950 million phones out there with a linux kernel are not what i'd use "as a linux" | 19:45 |
| inte | lainwir3d cool | 19:46 |
| inte | !! | 19:46 |
| merbot | inte: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 19:46 |
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| inte | mgt android is not linux | 19:46 |
| the_mgt | lainwir3d: is that a zik3 or what? | 19:47 |
| inte | hu, merbot:) | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | it is linux, its just not gnu+linux | 19:47 |
| lainwir3d | the_mgt: yeah. lol | 19:48 |
| lainwir3d | It will be out in ~1month | 19:48 |
| lainwir3d | I guess | 19:48 |
| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/114635/tablet-dropssuspends-wifi/ | 19:48 |
| lainwir3d | attah: noticed that I can't access ssh anymore over wifi when tablet is suspended | 19:49 |
| lainwir3d | locked | 19:49 |
| lainwir3d | maybe it's the same thing | 19:49 |
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| attah | lainwir3d: yeah, had that simultaneously with this too | 19:49 |
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| the_mgt | ssh to my phone often does not work via wifi, either. when it was laying around for an hour or so | 19:52 |
| the_mgt | didnt test for a while | 19:52 |
| the_mgt | still the same | 19:52 |
| Smar | isn’t it just good that it’s saving battery.. :) | 19:52 |
| attah | the_mgt: had that a lot in the beginning, now it seems to detect if there is activity.. and work pretty ok | 19:54 |
| the_mgt | ah, second try worked | 19:55 |
| the_mgt | seems you need to knock it into awareness | 19:55 |
| r0kk3rz | the jphone is somewhat unresponsive when on idle too | 19:55 |
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| coderus | just doubletap your screen | 20:06 |
| attah | coderus: gets old having to do that every half minute or sp | 20:09 |
| coderus | build and run keepalive when using ssh | 20:11 |
| coderus | stop complaint | 20:11 |
| coderus | be a dev | 20:11 |
| lainwir3d | hmmm hall sensor not working | 20:12 |
| lainwir3d | can't find the option | 20:12 |
| coderus | lainwir3d: blog says it will be in 2.0.0.x sw | 20:13 |
| eugenio | comes in 1.2.0 | 20:13 |
| attah | coderus: i'm mostly concerned with when on CuteSpot.. but perhaps | 20:13 |
| lainwir3d | oh, alright | 20:13 |
| coderus | eugenio: its 2.0.0.x | 20:13 |
| eugenio | ok | 20:13 |
| coderus | attah: so media playing not stop, but ssh is? | 20:13 |
| eugenio | the branches in github use upgrade-1.2.0, though | 20:14 |
| attah | coderus: CuteSpot stops, ssh becomes terribly slow and/or stops | 20:14 |
| coderus | attah: then cutespot author should add keepalive to app | 20:15 |
| coderus | every media app should do this :) | 20:15 |
| coderus | eugenio: doesn't matter | 20:15 |
| coderus | its already known next release will be 2.0.0x | 20:16 |
| attah | coderus: i think it is connman as per tjc post.. it works fine on the phone | 20:16 |
| eugenio | ok :D | 20:16 |
| lainwir3d | the tablet struggles to get out of suspend | 20:18 |
| lainwir3d | don't know if the usb audio is making it acting weird | 20:18 |
| lainwir3d | and the fact that the headphone is recharging using the tablet... lol | 20:18 |
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| attah | kimmoli: want some swedish strings? | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | used? | 20:23 |
| lainwir3d | yeah, seems like it. I'll investigate more tomorrow | 20:23 |
| attah | tohkbd2-settings | 20:23 |
| kimmoli | aa. transifex | 20:24 |
| attah | and not like the guy at work that responds in hex when i asked for "some pointers" | 20:24 |
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| kimmoli | https://www.transifex.com/kimmoli/tohkbd2-settings-ui/ | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | 46 to go | 20:27 |
| attah | not yet a member it seems | 20:28 |
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| lainwir3d | hmmm, I miss the file browser :-( | 20:43 |
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| * lainwir3d is installing, and hopefully soon playing, "the blind world" game on the jolla tablet. | 21:02 | |
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| the_mgt | lainwir3d: what's that? | 21:13 |
| lainwir3d | it's supposed to be a nice game | 21:14 |
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| lainwir3d | you're a blind swordman | 21:14 |
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| lainwir3d | and all the game is based on sounds | 21:14 |
| lainwir3d | you have to play it with headphones | 21:14 |
| lainwir3d | it's mandatory | 21:15 |
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| lainwir3d | oops | 21:17 |
| lainwir3d | the game seems to work | 21:17 |
| lainwir3d | the_mgt: sorry, it is "a blind legend" :-P | 21:20 |
| lainwir3d | http://www.ablindlegend.com/en/home-2/ | 21:20 |
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| lainwir3d | you can get some sound samples on the internet, it's "funny" | 21:20 |
| attah | do or don't? http://www.zagg.com/eu/en_eu/keyboards/universal-tablet-keyboard/pocket | 21:20 |
| attah | are there better ones? | 21:20 |
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| lainwir3d | hmmm | 21:23 |
| lainwir3d | looks nice ! | 21:23 |
| the_mgt | attah: https://waytools.com the textblade? | 21:24 |
| the_mgt | lainwir3d: interesting! | 21:24 |
| the_mgt | reminds me of zatoichi | 21:24 |
| attah | the_mgt: yeah.. looked at it.. i don't think that will really be an improvement over the on-screen one | 21:25 |
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| the_mgt | dunno. it might not be practical if riding the bus or some other non-table environment | 21:26 |
| the_mgt | the sad thing is, they have the same delays as the tablet. but with more verbosity and communication | 21:26 |
| the_mgt | it does not improve anything. should have shipped/arrived in may, too | 21:26 |
| the_mgt | my main concern was, that it should be small and lightweight | 21:29 |
| attah | that it is.. | 21:31 |
| attah | but yeah.. i'm not convinced | 21:32 |
| the_mgt | I am not really convinced by any of those | 21:33 |
| attah | true that | 21:33 |
| the_mgt | we'll see. they are shipping in october | 21:33 |
| the_mgt | for real now ... | 21:33 |
| attah | oh well.. i shold go to bed now, bye folks! | 21:36 |
| the_mgt | dito, good night | 21:36 |
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| lainwir3d | Playing a new game on my new jolla tablet while drinking a new awesome whisky bottle : perfect evening | 21:46 |
| Yaniel | don't drink the entire bottle :D | 21:47 |
| lainwir3d | i'd better not :P | 21:47 |
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| lainwir3d | night | 21:59 |
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