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| Shihua_ | hello | 10:54 |
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| Shihua_ | may jolla halted. | 10:55 |
| Shihua_ | my | 10:55 |
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| Shihua_ | when two | 10:57 |
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| Shihua_ | body call me one time | 10:58 |
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| Shihua_ | it's trouble i reseted | 10:59 |
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| tadzik | My Silent profile just rang, what the fuck >:( | 11:02 |
| ggabriel | Shihua_: i suggest you contact care | 11:03 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: I decided to make a "Silence" ambience and set everything to "No sound" except for the alarm | 11:03 |
| Shihua_ | ggabriel: i just one phone who is jolla.do you have any function ? | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | I don't remember if the ootb ambience is exhaustive enough, and ambiences inherit stuff which is counter intuitive | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | Shihua_: you seem to have a very specific problem with your device... complaining here won't do any good to you as this is a community irc channel - i suggest again that you contact care if you continue having issues after reset, the same way you would do with any other phone | 11:05 |
| Shihua_ | ggabriel: Ok.thanks | 11:06 |
| tadzik | ggabriel: so I | 11:08 |
| tadzik | it os known that the silent thing is a lie? | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: there are some posts in tjc, and if you check the roadmap there are plans to bring the proper silent mode back in the lock screen | 11:09 |
| tadzik | And the crossed out note is absolute bullshit? | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | no clue tbh | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | maybe a bug too | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | i personally am quite happy to embrance ambiences for this kind of stuff, but i think it needs more options such as system sounds | 11:10 |
| tadzik | I would be happy if it fucking worked | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | the intuitive way it was before was a bit better, albeit limited to the intuition of whoever designed it :P | 11:10 |
| tadzik | It was quite embarrassing | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: ok, _maybe_ it's pebcak | 11:11 |
| tadzik | It shows the silenced symbol. The ambiance.has ringing set to.0% | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | if you select the silent ambience and you accidentally press the volumn up button while locked, then it is no longer silent | 11:12 |
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| tadzik | And it still ranh | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | i can confirm that it didn't ring yesterday while silent | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | so a) bug; b) pebcak | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | although for b) i'd like the ambience to not let me set the volume up | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | more picnic than pebcak in this case :P | 11:13 |
| tadzik | I do expect Silent to be able to play muy | 11:13 |
| tadzik | Music when requested | 11:13 |
| tadzik | But not ring on a phone call | 11:13 |
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| tadzik | If it does ring on a phonecall it's worthless and lying aboit | 11:14 |
| tadzik | About its purpose | 11:14 |
| tadzik | There's no pebkac here | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | there is if you accidentally pressed volume up | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | as per design | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | also, i disagree with your playing music case :) so that should be an option | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | e.g., it's ok for sound to go through headphones, but not through loudspeaker | 11:15 |
| AL13N | man, this swipe+tap for locking is annoying | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: i quickly switched to power button :( | 11:15 |
| tadzik | Yes, precisely | 11:15 |
| tadzik | That's what I meant | 11:15 |
| AL13N | it takes too much time, if you just want to see how much the battery has charged | 11:15 |
| AL13N | if it just lies on the table, it takes to long to pick it up and find the button | 11:15 |
| AL13N | i want top-swipe back for locking | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: tjc i suggest | 11:16 |
| AL13N | there's probably already one, right? | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | i can't say sfos 2 is better for me | 11:16 |
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| ggabriel | but animations are nicer and it's certainly more ios/android user friendly | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | ah well | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | advanced tweaking options will be welcome | 11:17 |
| AL13N | there is some other stuff that i'd like to go back, but nothing as annoying as the lock | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: vote then... i don't remember seeing one | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | my most annoying thing is the status bar when peeking | 11:17 |
| AL13N | yes, that one is sort of annoying too | 11:18 |
| AL13N | also, the wake up is too slow | 11:18 |
| AL13N | when you double-tap | 11:18 |
| tadzik | The idea that Silent can become Loud by volume button being pressed _without_ unlocking the phone or touching the screen is horrible | 11:19 |
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| ggabriel | AL13N: didn't notice any lag when waking the device up | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | tadzik: agree... | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | there should be another state | 11:20 |
| tbr | tadzik: I implemented a fix for such behaviour once. It was for FirefoxOS, my only patch in that... I'd need to dig up the bug, because I've done some extensive research on the behaviour. | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | so "No sound" needs you to go to settings | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | and "Muted" can be changed with the rocker | 11:20 |
| raa700_ | the fade in of unlock should be faster, now it seems like it's lagging | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | you can unlock as it's fading in | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | which is awesome | 11:21 |
| raa700_ | yeah, but the time from doubletap or pwrbutton to actually something happening on screen is too long | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | same as before from my perspective... | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | ofc it depends how busy the device is | 11:22 |
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| AL13N | raa700_: that's what i mean | 11:22 |
| AL13N | raa700_: do you have a tjc for me to vote on? | 11:22 |
| AL13N | ggabriel: you too? | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | AL13N: i found the status bar by peeking yesterday and voted | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | in fact, opened one and closed it as duplicate of original | 11:23 |
| raa700_ | I think it's also related to brightness, when it's full setting the backlit is clearly seen activating, but in low setting you cant see it | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/111392/sfos-20-can-we-have-bigger-clock-during-peek/ | 11:24 |
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| ggabriel | raa700_: the only annoying thing of unlocking is the orientation | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | that does add lag | 11:25 |
| ggabriel | as it does the animation | 11:25 |
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| AL13N | https://together.jolla.com/question/112184/1928-please-reintroduce-top-swipe-for-device-lock/ | 11:29 |
| AL13N | raa700_: if you have a tjc for unlock speed, that would be nice | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | the pulley menu selection delay is annoying too | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | i couldn't find a tjc for that | 11:30 |
| AL13N | yes | 11:30 |
| AL13N | i'll vote for that | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | and they fixed it too | 11:30 |
| AL13N | 2 flashes is way too long | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | so it must have been slower | 11:30 |
| AL13N | 1 flash is already better | 11:30 |
| ggabriel | it has to be customisable | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | i want to delay | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | at all | 11:31 |
| AL13N | or that | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | maybe mce can fix tho | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | must learn mce | 11:31 |
| ggabriel | well, research, rather | 11:31 |
| AL13N | make tjc please, so i can vote | 11:31 |
| PeperJohnny | https://together.jolla.com/question/106865/delay-when-waking-up-in-sfos-20/ | 11:32 |
| tbr | tadzik: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796492 if you want to know how other mobile phones implement such logic | 11:35 |
| merbot | Mozilla bug 796492 in Gaia::System "Volume can be changed while phone screen is off." [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 11:35 |
| tbr | specifically: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796492#c11 | 11:36 |
| PeperJohnny | If you read the changelog of 1.1.9.28 they already stated that "Enhance the speed of pulley menu selection animation" will be in the next update | 11:36 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: I read that, but it confused me becuase of the [cbeta] tag | 11:37 |
| PeperJohnny | ggabriel: there's no cbeta tag on tjc for it, strange.. | 11:37 |
| ggabriel | i meant in the rel notes | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | so *shrug* | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | erm, in the roadmap, rather | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | oh, wait, the rel note do mention that the animation was enhanced | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | lol | 11:38 |
| ggabriel | it's too confusing | 11:38 |
| PeperJohnny | yupp | 11:39 |
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| tadzik | tbr: thanks, appreciated | 12:10 |
| tbr | np, yw | 12:17 |
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| tbr | tadzik: if this is about audio volume adjustment and stuff, then you might want to poke jusa_ and show him those URLs together with your point of view. ;) | 12:17 |
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| greenit | hi, i have a problem with my jolla since the latest update: i have whatsapp installed and android notifier, but since the update it ignores my settings at android notifier and whatsapp, where i have set it to silent, and plays the "chat" music... can i regain the ability to mute whatsapp anyhow? | 16:15 |
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| Peper | greenit: IIRC android notifier doesn't work with 1.1.9.28 anymore and Jolla has now it own notification system | 16:19 |
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| greenit | Peper, ok, but how can i mute whatsapp? i want the chat-notification for telegram, but not for whatsapp | 16:38 |
| greenit | Peper, or is this not possible anymore? | 16:38 |
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| Lipevakala | Mute discusion sounds from WA settings? | 16:42 |
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| Peper | greenit: Well I see no option at all sorry | 16:58 |
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| greenit | Lipevakala, i tried it, doesn't work sadly | 17:09 |
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| Lipevakala | greenit: settings, notifications silent sound? | 17:11 |
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| greenit | i tried it for group-notification, but it still played a sound... probably i should completely deactivate it.... | 17:15 |
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| greenit | well, doesn't work lipevakala | 17:24 |
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| Raim | uhm, unlocking works with a left/right swipe, but for the apps it needs to be a swipe from the bottom screen edge. very unintuitive. | 17:30 |
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| Raim | especially as in the home screen swiping up for apps also works everywhere on the display... | 17:31 |
| Lipevakala | greenit: Ok, i hope some update from WA or Jolla helps.. | 17:32 |
| greenit | well, i have two other questions too: 1.) is it possible to change the background of an ambiente style, or do i have to create a new ambiente? 2.) i also use situations to mute my phone during the night, but it uses "profiles" and the profile "silent" doesn't mute the system-notifications anymore... can i somehow tell it to completely mute the phone, including the system-notifications? | 17:37 |
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| grnet | long press down volume key? | 17:48 |
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| greenit | grnet, will this mute the system sounds too? | 18:00 |
| grnet | i didt test it try it | 18:02 |
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| greenit | do i have to create a new ambiente if i want another background? | 18:27 |
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| tango_ | hm 2.0 seems to be much less power hungry | 18:39 |
| tango_ | I like that | 18:39 |
| tango_ | I do hate the extreme lag before being able to interact with the lockscreen though | 18:39 |
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| stephg | just factory reset my firstone and goodness how have things changed :D | 19:10 |
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| stephg | 1.0.0.5 → 1.0.2.5 happy days :D :D | 19:11 |
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| AL13N | https://together.jolla.com/question/107042/sailfish-os-20-bring-back-screenlock-when-swiping-from-top-at-homescreen-or-at-least-optional/ | 19:43 |
| AL13N | please vote up | 19:43 |
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| Armadill0 | done | 19:51 |
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| AL13N | :) | 20:04 |
| locusf | bring back | 20:07 |
| locusf | bring back | 20:07 |
| locusf | bring back my bonnie to me, to me | 20:07 |
| stephg | haha | 20:10 |
| marja | AL13N: I'm amazed you don't have a problem with having to tap and then swipe 2x to get the unlock screen.... or do you get it right away? | 20:12 |
| marja | locusf: I had almost forgotten about that song.... my granddad used to tell me that I was singing "bunnie" instead of "bonnie" (I really think I sung "bonnie" | 20:13 |
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| locusf | marja: yeah, I also was just reminded of that :) though I remembered how it was sung in the elementary school | 20:17 |
| marja | locusf: :-) | 20:17 |
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| marja | btw, forgot to say that in my eyes the upgrade brought more good than less good... I wouldn't want to downgrade ;-) | 20:23 |
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| locusf | yeah well things change, some like it, others don't | 20:29 |
| locusf | bowing to everyone is only gonna make all tongues brown and bad tasting mouths | 20:30 |
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| marja | locusf: indeed :-) | 20:37 |
| locusf | theres one set of tats I'd like to have, stars of Vor | 20:41 |
| locusf | but if a real Vor would see them, he'd cut them off of me | 20:43 |
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| marja | lol | 20:44 |
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| marja | (not that I know what a Vor is, other than VHF Omni-directional Radio Range :-þ .... googling for it doesn't help) | 20:49 |
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| locusf | huh | 20:51 |
| marja | locusf: btw, how much off-topicness is allowed in this channel? | 20:51 |
| locusf | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_in_law | 20:51 |
| locusf | marja: thats true :) | 20:52 |
| locusf | this is highly offtopic | 20:52 |
| locusf | note: I dont wanna be a thief or murderer | 20:52 |
| marja | locusf: thx for the link, and for confirming you don't want to be a bad guy :-) | 20:53 |
| locusf | they look cool and the single principle about that is the only thing that appeals to me | 20:53 |
| locusf | dont bow down to anyone | 20:53 |
| marja | locusf: :-) | 20:53 |
| marja | locusf: btw, thx to Jolla I listen to Russian radio now and then, there's a really good allradio app for it | 20:54 |
| marja | locusf: Russian is on my long list of languages I want to learn | 20:54 |
| marja | locusf: now assuming you're Russian :-þ ... sorry if I'm wrong | 20:55 |
| marja | locusf: ah, no your first name looks a bit Russian, but your surname looks Finnish | 20:57 |
| locusf | marja: it seriously quite literally means " a Finn" | 20:59 |
| locusf | surname I mean | 20:59 |
| locusf | Aleksi Finn | 21:00 |
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| marja | locusf: but there are undoubtedly 20 different forms of "Suomalainen" that mean "a Finn", depending on male, female, grown up, child, human, non-human etc.etc..... or isn't Finnish that complicated? | 21:01 |
| locusf | yes indeed it is | 21:03 |
| locusf | this is the "general" form that you use from a citizen of Finland | 21:04 |
| marja | ah | 21:04 |
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| marja | locusf: | 21:28 |
| marja | hyvän yön | 21:28 |
| marja | (if that's correct Finnish at all ;-) ) | 21:29 |
| Oni_ | missing ending tä | 21:29 |
| marja | Oni_: thx | 21:29 |
| Oni_ | hyvää yötä is btter | 21:29 |
| Oni_ | right | 21:29 |
| marja | Oni_: ok, hyvää yötä is btter | 21:29 |
| marja | oops | 21:29 |
| marja | wrong c&p | 21:29 |
| marja | hyvää yötä, then :-) | 21:30 |
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| locusf | marja: thanks :) | 21:34 |
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| ambro_ | hi, i am in recovery mode because my jolla won't boot after the last update. before i factory reset it i want to backup some android stuff. can anyone tell me which partition to mount for that? | 22:13 |
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| tigeli | ambro_: mmcblk0p28 | 22:16 |
| tigeli | ambro_: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202514138-How-to-copy-data-from-Home-to-SD-card-in-Recovery-Mode | 22:17 |
| ambro_ | thats where nemo/ is located. i allready covered that. | 22:20 |
| ambro_ | but the android stuff seems to be somwhere else | 22:28 |
| tiwake | I wonder if KDE is wayland ready yet | 22:29 |
| tiwake | I think it is, but not sure how much of it is | 22:29 |
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| ambro_ | to be more precise the android_storage folder is empty. so my guess is when sailfishOS is running some other partition is mounted there? | 22:35 |
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| fennekki | ...isn't android_storage a symlink? | 23:18 |
| fennekki | I'm not sure on this though | 23:18 |
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| AL13N | marja: how do you mean tap + swipe + swipe ? | 23:40 |
| AL13N | from any app, either swipe from side, or swipe from top and i'm at the home screen, another swipe from top to lock (hopefully), or even a pully meny at that point would be good too | 23:41 |
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