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| marja | AL13N: I mean when it's locked with a pin code and you want to unlock your device, before the upgrade, tapping was enough to get the unlock screen (with the numerical keyboard)... now I need to tap, swipe down and then swipe from right or left to get to the numerical keyboard and unlock | 08:01 |
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| marja | AL13N: I guess you never set a pincode, but that you set a user password that you need to type when unlocking your Jolla? | 08:14 |
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| marja | AL13N: I never enabled ssh'ing into it, and unlocking using a pin code is less typo-prone | 08:18 |
| marja | than typing all sorts of characters | 08:19 |
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| swift110-phone | Hey all | 08:22 |
| marja | swift110-phone: hi | 08:23 |
| ivanplatzek | Hi | 08:24 |
| swift110-phone | How r u guys? | 08:24 |
| AL13N | marja: nono, i do have a pincode and it _is_ annoying, so, i double-tap to open, but instead of doing the code, i need to swipe left or right before i can enter the code | 08:24 |
| AL13N | it's annoying too | 08:24 |
| marja | AL13N: I'm not talking about the pin code of the sim card, but about the Device Lock | 08:24 |
| AL13N | less annoying than locking it though | 08:24 |
| swift110-phone | Is there a way to put googleplay on a jollatablet? | 08:24 |
| AL13N | marja: me too | 08:24 |
| marja | AL13N: swiping left or right doesn't work here | 08:25 |
| AL13N | ok, i have it next to me | 08:25 |
| AL13N | double-tap | 08:25 |
| marja | AL13N: i have to go to the ambiances first | 08:25 |
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| AL13N | then swipe left, because i see side arrows | 08:25 |
| marja | AL13N: doesn't work here | 08:25 |
| AL13N | now i can type in device pin | 08:25 |
| marja | AL13N: I see the arrows, but swiping does nothing :-( | 08:25 |
| AL13N | i cannot swipe down when the arrows are there | 08:26 |
| AL13N | maybe because i set some apps in the pulley menu on that screen | 08:26 |
| marja | AL13N: they only appear when I touch the screen | 08:26 |
| marja | ah, I didn't | 08:26 |
| ivanplatzek | Has someone of you used the TOHKBD? Have you experienced problems with key responsiveness? | 08:26 |
| AL13N | i can pull down to select the flashlight and codereader | 08:26 |
| AL13N | i have no tohkbd | 08:27 |
| marja | AL13N: and disappear fast, so I can oll down | 08:27 |
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| marja | I don't understand what tohkbd is | 08:27 |
| AL13N | the other half: keyboard | 08:27 |
| marja | ah | 08:27 |
| AL13N | someone made it and sold a bunch | 08:27 |
| marja | i don't have one | 08:27 |
| * AL13N neither | 08:28 | |
| ivanplatzek | that is the keyboard that you can attach to your Jolla | 08:28 |
| marja | AL13N: I can even swipe down when the arrows are visible | 08:28 |
| AL13N | marja: no, i don't like these extra taps and swipes | 08:28 |
| ivanplatzek | i have one, but have stopped using it because some keys were „sticky“ | 08:28 |
| AL13N | marja: i can't because there's a pulley menu | 08:28 |
| tbr | ivanplatzek: sometimes keys are hard to press | 08:28 |
| tbr | ivanplatzek: exercising them has shown to help | 08:29 |
| ivanplatzek | ah, okay | 08:29 |
| AL13N | ok, need to get back to preparations for daughter's b-day party | 08:29 |
| tmynttin | swift110-phone: https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 08:29 |
| AL13N | 6y old | 08:29 |
| ivanplatzek | you mean, it will become better with usage? | 08:29 |
| AL13N | ttyl | 08:29 |
| marja | AL13N: congratulations | 08:29 |
| ivanplatzek | congratulations from me too | 08:30 |
| AL13N | marja: still, i don't like the extra swipes and taps... the whole thing was much faster to use before, now it appears slow due to slow animation and extra swipes and taps required | 08:30 |
| AL13N | well, i'll pass them on, thanks | 08:30 |
| AL13N | ttyl | 08:30 |
| swift110-phone | Ok cool | 08:30 |
| marja | AL13N: indeed | 08:31 |
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| marja | I don't dare to try adding an app to the pulley menu.... what if I can no longer swipe down, then, when the Jolla is locked? I'd lose my access to it........ I should probably enable ssh'ing into it :-/ | 08:34 |
| coderus | ivanplatzek: #jollatohkbd channel | 08:35 |
| ivanplatzek | oh, thanks coderus! | 08:35 |
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| tmynttin | Does the Notes app cover page look weird to you guys after the latest update? | 08:36 |
| tmynttin | the font looks quite ugly on my phone | 08:37 |
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| marja | tmynttin: never used it so far, only tried just now. To me the font isn't ugly, but I do notice it's a very skinny font.... don't know what it was before | 08:43 |
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| tmynttin | on my device it's in italic, underscored and alot bigger than on other apps, such as messages or tweetian | 08:45 |
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| marja | tmynttin: ouch | 08:47 |
| tmynttin | tried to reinstall but to no avail | 08:47 |
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| marja | tmynttin: when you go to the Settings app -> Apps --> Notes --> Sharing format | 08:59 |
| marja | tmynttin: I have "Plain text" there | 08:59 |
| tmynttin | Hmm.. | 09:01 |
| tmynttin | ok, tried to change it back and forth and restarting the app but no luck :| | 09:01 |
| tmynttin | marja: thanks tho :) | 09:02 |
| marja | tmynttin: sorry that I couldn't help (otoh, you've probably been using a Jolla much longer than me ;-) ) | 09:02 |
| tmynttin | :) | 09:03 |
| marja | I haven't even learned yet how to install e.g. "less" | 09:03 |
| marja | (for cli) | 09:04 |
| marja | always thought that was installed by default on any Linux | 09:04 |
| kimmoli | searc talk.maemo.org "sailfish extra less" | 09:06 |
| kimmoli | or google those | 09:06 |
| marja | kimmoli: will do, thx | 09:06 |
| kimmoli | my clipboard is stuck again, so cant copy the url | 09:06 |
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| marja | kimmoli: it is in the mer-tools repository, not sure I have access to it, it needs some extra steps | 09:09 |
| marja | will try later today... too busy with other things, now | 09:11 |
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| kimmoli | just that step 5 | 09:13 |
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| TMavica | Happy Mid-Autumn Festival | 09:13 |
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| marja | kimmoli: yeah, I know, but I haven't set any passwords yet, and need to decide on root and user passwords, first... strong, easy to type on screen, not too hard to remember, I'll do that after lunch ;-) | 10:05 |
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| kimmoli | basically just one passwd, for ssh/devel-su | 10:06 |
| marja | kimmoli: if i wasn't against reusing a password, I'd reuse the one for my ssh key... I don't make many typos when typing it when ssh'ing out | 10:07 |
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| marja | kimmoli: but thx for telling I need only a password for root | 10:09 |
| kimmoli | muscle memory passwords are ok, until you use different keyboard layout | 10:09 |
| kimmoli | it is nemo password for ssh login, and same is used for the devel-su "root" prompt | 10:09 |
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| marja | kimmoli: is it correct that "pkcon refresh" should be done as user, not as root? | 10:16 |
| marja | kimmoli: there's "$" before the command | 10:16 |
| kimmoli | as root | 10:16 |
| marja | thx | 10:16 |
| marja | kimmoli: thx a lot... less is installed and works nicely :-) | 10:19 |
| marja | kimmoli: and I as good as reused my existing ssh key password /o\ | 10:19 |
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| kimmoli | good | 10:22 |
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| NwS | Heya guys a quick question. Will a new Jolla phone come anytime soon? | 10:27 |
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| kimmoli | soon, propably no. Jolla-soon, maybe :P | 10:29 |
| kimmoli | intex sailfish phone is coming for India | 10:30 |
| Helle | I want my "Tablet for you" mail :( | 10:30 |
| NwS | Am I unlucky or what :P | 10:30 |
| NwS | I wanted a Jolla tablet (nope sold out lol) and then I said ok I'll try the Ubuntu phone (nope sold out too) fml | 10:31 |
| NwS | -.-" | 10:31 |
| NwS | I would try the Jolla phone but it looks a bit too big imho | 10:31 |
| Helle | eh, it's smaller then most flagship phones, just a little thinner | 10:32 |
| Helle | err, just a little thicker | 10:32 |
| NwS | Yeah it seems a bit too thick :/ | 10:32 |
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| Helle | NwS: otoh, trade of for that is customizable covers, replacable battery, microSD slot, etc | 10:34 |
| DrainBamaged | This comment has also been made of me, 'A bit too thick' | 10:35 |
| DrainBamaged | I love the Jolla phone, hence my presence here. Bought mine last May, got involved with early releases etc. seen all the changes. SailFish 2 has heaps of features and Android support is way more stable | 10:37 |
| NwS | I loved my BBs all these years | 10:38 |
| NwS | But since they announced an android based phone they are dead to me | 10:38 |
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| DrainBamaged | TIL - thank you | 10:39 |
| Helle | SailfishOS outperforms Android by a good margin, both in actual performance and in UI experience | 10:39 |
| marja | nice, it accepts ssh-key login | 10:43 |
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| nh1402 | NwS: But you know what that means, port Sailfish to their Android based phones ;) | 11:05 |
| NwS | nh1402, I'm not buying a $700+ android phone lol | 11:06 |
| NwS | I would prefer to get a 6S for that price (if I had to spend that much money) | 11:06 |
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| NwS | nh1402, is it possible to port Sailfish on any Android phone? hmm | 11:06 |
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| nh1402 | as long as it has an unlockable bootloader, and aosp 5.1, CM12.1, CM10, or CM11 available for it | 11:07 |
| nh1402 | at least i think it's AOSP 5.1 | 11:07 |
| NwS | Hmm now that's interesting. I might get a Chinese one :P | 11:08 |
| NwS | If they don't release a newer phone within the next couple of months or so | 11:08 |
| PeperJohnny | NwS: be aware that you cannot run android apps on ported sailfish | 11:10 |
| nh1402 | what do you mean by Chinese one, Xiaomi, Meizu, Oneplus, HTC, Huewai, ZTE ? or a chinese knock off | 11:10 |
| NwS | PeperJohnny, Hmm ty for that info mate | 11:11 |
| NwS | nh1402, I meant a Xiaomi/Meizu/etc | 11:11 |
| nh1402 | NwS: Unless you're willing to help with development of an android app compatibility layer for ported sailfish | 11:11 |
| nh1402 | which krnlyng and I have been trying to do, but need someone who knows gles/egl and maybe a little android internal stuff | 11:12 |
| NwS | I know nothing about android.. | 11:13 |
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| nh1402 | there is one way that *could* work almost straight out of the box, but it'll be Android Gingerbread, which is ancient. | 11:15 |
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| Stskeeps | nh1402: fun fact, openmobile acl is gingerbread only | 11:19 |
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| nh1402 | wow, so that means the Samsung Tizen phones have a gingerbread based acl. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | alien dalvik is awesome | 11:23 |
| nh1402 | if thats the case then might give it a shot, and use that until shashlik is working, or krnlyng's chroot is fixed, or I can get input working on my method. | 11:25 |
| nh1402 | http://forums.webosnation.com/android-webos/327344-pre3-androidchroot-run-android-inside-webos.html this basically | 11:25 |
| Tegu | well, alien dalvik (at least the one in jolla) is lagging behind in versions :/ it's only 4.1.. (but I think there were some issues with the newer ones, cannot remember) | 11:26 |
| nh1402 | I thought it was 4.4 | 11:27 |
| Tegu | nh1402: this says that it's 4.1 https://together.jolla.com/question/66931/what-android-version-jolla-is-compatible-with/ (and although it's an old thread, I tried running that command on 1.1.7. Has that changed in 1.1.9?) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | 4.4 on tablet | 11:32 |
| coderus | nh1402: did you tried to contact drunkdebugger? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | we have in progress 4.4 for phone | 11:32 |
| Tegu | ah yea, I was talking about the phone. sounds good | 11:33 |
| nh1402 | coderus: I have not, no idea who that is. | 11:33 |
| nh1402 | coderus: Ah right, otherwise known as e-yes. krnlyng has tried to contact him. | 11:35 |
| AL13N | how far are the tablets going? i think i'm around position 2400 | 11:36 |
| AL13N | iirc, the first 1000 were gone in +- 4h ? | 11:37 |
| coderus | nh1402: imho you can contact him beter, as he is russian bear | 11:39 |
| nh1402 | I don't quite understand | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | doesnt he work for yota or yandex now? | 11:40 |
| coderus | no, he moved to Thai | 11:42 |
| coderus | https://th.linkedin.com/pub/alexey-roslyakov/30/98b/994 | 11:42 |
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| PaulePanter | hi. How do I close apps in Sailfish OS 2.0? | 12:49 |
| PaulePanter | Swiping from top just brings up the lock screen. | 12:49 |
| Lieke | you can re-enable swipe from top in the settings | 12:50 |
| Lieke | or long tap on the cover and tap the X to close | 12:50 |
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| PaulePanter | Lieke: Understood. | 12:50 |
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| Nicd- | is it still so that TOH ambiences cannot be transferred when you sell your TOH? | 13:07 |
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| Yaniel | IIRC you have to contact jolla about that | 13:14 |
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| coderus | PaulePanter: homescreen, not lockscreen | 13:17 |
| coderus | lockscreen is when device is locked | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: but it's possible? | 13:21 |
| Yaniel | I remember people talking about it here | 13:21 |
| coderus | Nicd-: toh are not tied with your account | 13:32 |
| coderus | you can easily sell it | 13:32 |
| Nicd- | ok, so it has been changed | 13:32 |
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| coderus | yeah it was tied just after jolla phone started selling | 13:36 |
| coderus | and then it was fixed. | 13:36 |
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| merlin1991 | I've got a silly question, where in sfos 2.0 did my twitter feed go? | 13:39 |
| Tegu | hehe, a webgl game crashed the browser and eventually rebooted the phone | 13:40 |
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| Tegu | or page, whatever. here it is if you want to try if it kills your phones http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/~terop/shadertest.html :D | 13:42 |
| coderus | merlin1991: moved to todo :)7 | 13:43 |
| coderus | will be in next release | 13:46 |
| merlin1991 | okay, i was already questioning my sanity because the account is right there but there is no info about it :D | 13:47 |
| coderus | Tegu: not working on pc also. Exception thrown, see JavaScript console | 13:49 |
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| Tegu | it doesn't work for me either. I don't really know what it is, just tried anyhow. I got there from here: http://ludumdare.com/compo/minild-62/?action=preview&uid=56621 | 13:52 |
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| coderus | runs in quicksilver on phone :D | 13:56 |
| coderus | with 2-3 mins of lagging | 13:56 |
| coderus | but :) | 13:56 |
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| coderus | aand it crashed. phone blicking red light for two minutes :D | 14:00 |
| coderus | blinking once white and started blicking red again :D | 14:00 |
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| Tegu | haha :D for me it blinked red quickly, then went blank a bit, then blinked green, and again red, then boot | 14:01 |
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| pdanek1 | Guys, | 14:22 |
| pdanek1 | Do you think the plans to make Sailfish UI opensource are still "in the plan"? | 14:23 |
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| tbr | ask on the community meeting... | 14:29 |
| tbr | <dr_evil>MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</dr_evil> | 14:30 |
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| locusf | heh | 15:12 |
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| Stskeeps | what's open source worth when people think that gplv3 makes you open source everything in a system? :P | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/56897/embrace-gplv3/ | 15:35 |
| Stskeeps | (yes, i'm being sarcastic) | 15:35 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: but I still want an opensource'd silica :/ | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | working on it, though until there's something, i'm not going to say 'soon' :P | 15:39 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: heh. so you will use the term "soon" when you start writing the announcement? :) | 15:40 |
| * Stskeeps checks | 15:40 | |
| Stskeeps | no 'soon' | 15:40 |
| svuorela | heh. | 15:40 |
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| jfred | Stskeeps: I appreciate the honesty, though - Facetime was going to be open and documented "soon" and then it never happened | 15:52 |
| jfred | so better to not set expectations until there's something tangible | 15:55 |
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| Stskeeps | jfred: yeah, i think the ship has sailed a bit on that one.. | 16:01 |
| jfred | hah, fair enough | 16:01 |
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| jfred | I guess even just saying you're working on it will lead people to think "well what's taking so long?" | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | that sometimes in the best of intentions things take a longer way than initially thouht | 16:02 |
| Stskeeps | +g | 16:02 |
| * jfred nods | 16:03 | |
| jfred | fwiw it's also a lot easier to read intentions from within a company | 16:03 |
| jfred | from the outside it often looks like nobody's listening, just because you don't have as much information... I've been on both sides of that | 16:04 |
| jfred | when really it's usually just that people didn't have the time to respond to some question, or to work on some project | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | well, time to work on some goodwill anyway.. | 16:06 |
| svuorela | I'd love to be able to push the silica components into debian main :) | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: i still don't understand the obsession with integrating $NEW_MOBILE_OS_COMPONENTS into debian, after so many years :) | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | libhildon was there and it was horribly broken | 16:07 |
| jfred | libhildon was in upstream debian? | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | it was | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | or at least in ubuntu | 16:07 |
| jfred | hmm | 16:07 |
| jfred | hildon-desktop wasn't though, right? | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libs/libhildon-1-0 | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/x11/hildon-desktop | 16:08 |
| jfred | o.o interesting | 16:08 |
| jfred | I thought hildon-desktop was one of the closed-source bits of maemo | 16:08 |
| jfred | guess I was wrong there | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | it was, to some degree | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | it was bloody hard to make it work outside maemo :) | 16:09 |
| jfred | hah | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Mer&oldid=45056 | 16:09 |
| Stskeeps | good old days | 16:10 |
| jfred | oh right, I remember that now | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Screenshots | 16:10 |
| jfred | back before the mer project went quiet and came back as a continuation of meego | 16:10 |
| jfred | (or something along those lines) | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 16:10 |
| Stskeeps | which eventually morphed into having sailfishos on top of it | 16:11 |
| jfred | aye, that and nemo | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | very early on in jolla nemo ux was supposed to be what we shipped with | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | so a lot of work from when we were in stealth went into that | 16:13 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: I want it in debian so that I easily can test sailfish apps on my desktop. | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | nod | 16:19 |
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| svuorela | not for shipping as a device platform. | 16:20 |
| jfred | yeah, it seemed that early nemo was very much a continuation of maemo harmattan/meego | 16:27 |
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| jfred | UI-wise anyway | 16:28 |
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| coderus | why in tjc quick search results before pressing enter are more correct then after pressing enter? | 16:31 |
| coderus | if pressed enter after writing sentence in search box then i can't find a nything useful | 16:32 |
| coderus | but if i wait for suggestions to appear almost every tome first or second result is what i'm looking for | 16:32 |
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| cptG | Hello! I'm thinking about developing an app (would be my first after the obligatory Hello World ;) ) which is using Xapian. I haven't found a xapian package with pkcon so I guess I'd have to include it in my package - how can I best do so for a run-off-the-mill configure&&make style dependency? | 16:42 |
| cptG | ...I'd actually prefer to package Xapian in my app and not have it be a seperate rpm dependency due to stability in serialization format, which might change between releases... | 16:42 |
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| coderus | compile it and use rpath in your app | 16:51 |
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| cptG | coderus: I see. And then just add xapian's binaries to INSTALLS in my .pro file I guess? | 17:00 |
| coderus | yes | 17:01 |
| cptG | coderus: Great, thanks! | 17:02 |
| coderus | if you manage to build it with qmake you can create subfolder to it | 17:02 |
| coderus | if not you can try to execute manual build steps in spec %build and manually copy files to deployment folders in %installs | 17:02 |
| coderus | or you can prebuild it and install as any other files | 17:02 |
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| cptG | I guess I'd be easiest to build a static version and just copy the .a into my project dir, I will probably stay on the same version for quite some time so this manual step won't have to be repeated very often. | 17:04 |
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| coderus | sure you can to a static build as well :D | 17:09 |
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| cptG | ...I haven't considered static linking until I spelled out my question in here ;) | 17:10 |
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| cb400f | did anyone happen to try caldav with Jolla + kolabnow.com ? | 18:48 |
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| walokra | I just built Bacon2d for my game and static linking was the easiest regarding Harbour | 20:17 |
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| pdanek1 | Guys, | 20:31 |
| pdanek1 | When is some next Sailfish event? | 20:31 |
| pdanek1 | Or any mobile event where Jolla could announce something? | 20:31 |
| GRnet | we w8 yotaphone and intex phone | 20:32 |
| GRnet | http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/mobile-tabs/intex-partners-with-jolla-to-launch-sailfish-os-2-0-smartphone-by-november/ | 20:33 |
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| pdanek1 | I thought that Yotaphone Sailfish announcement wasn't true. | 20:34 |
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| GRnet | we see | 20:45 |
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| cptG | walokra: thanks for your input! | 21:22 |
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| tadzik | hahah, indianexpress.com. I used to order food from indiaexpress.pl... | 21:39 |
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| coderus | Launcher combined patch for v1.1.9.28: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-launcher-combined-patch | 23:23 |
| r0kk3rz | went to a popup conference in for the fairphone 2 in london today | 23:37 |
| r0kk3rz | they basically confirmed that it's going get a sailfishos port | 23:37 |
| r0kk3rz | woooo sailfish everywhere | 23:37 |
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| pdanek1 | r0kk3rz: going to get when? | 23:54 |
| pdanek1 | and will it be officially supported? | 23:55 |
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| pdanek1 | oh, he left | 23:55 |
| locusf | wot | 23:56 |
| locusf | nice | 23:56 |
| pdanek1 | Our obligations in honoring your right to change your mind We will make sure to refund you no later than fourteen (14) days from the date you have informed us about your decision, provided that we have received the products. We shall reimburse to you all payments received from you. We will carry out such reimbursement using the same means of payment as you used for the initial transaction, unless you have expressly agreed otherwise; in any event, yo | 23:57 |
| pdanek1 | So we can all preorder Fairphone | 23:57 |
| pdanek1 | and if it's shit | 23:57 |
| pdanek1 | can be returned | 23:57 |
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