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| coderus | grnet: haze is in jolla repos | 01:52 |
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| Shihua | Hello, | 05:15 |
| Shihua | what time to enter to China? | 05:16 |
| Shihua | TMD,I had | 05:17 |
| Shihua | .... | 05:18 |
| Shihua | .. | 05:18 |
| Shihua | . | 05:18 |
| Shihua | ... | 05:22 |
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| coderus | want kick/ban here? :) | 05:32 |
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| Shihua | No | 05:46 |
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| Shihua | It's chinese, it mean nothing. ..sorry | 05:59 |
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| Shihua | I'm so sorry, If it heart | 06:00 |
| Shihua | anyone | 06:01 |
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| Hartzi | don't worry | 06:09 |
| Shihua | morning | 06:10 |
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| Shihua | morning ?now?in your home? | 06:10 |
| Shihua | who have the documents of developers in chinese? | 06:14 |
| Shihua | Thanks | 06:14 |
| Shihua | I am so poor .last year I saw one who is chinese, but i forget to save.now I can't find | 06:16 |
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| Hartzi | I don't know, sorry. | 06:22 |
| Shihua | —。— | 06:23 |
| Shihua | Thanks,I find it in github | 06:25 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:23 |
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| lainwir3d | so... what's your best score on falldown ? ;-) | 07:33 |
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| kimmoli | 423 and game got stuck | 08:00 |
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| lainwir3d | :-( I was quite happy with my 344 :-( | 08:05 |
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| Tegu | oh, great. my jolla now has black screen, blinks blue led and does not respond | 08:51 |
| Tegu | is it safe to get out the battery or will it break something? | 08:52 |
| Tegu | 1.1.7 | 08:52 |
| Tegu | I'm trying to hold the power button as well but nothing | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | can you ssh in? | 08:53 |
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| Tegu | ggabriel: uh, I don't usually have the ssh enabled :< | 08:55 |
| Tegu | fuu fuu | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | how long has it been doing that? | 08:55 |
| Tegu | like ten minutes now | 08:55 |
| ggabriel | i don't remember what blinking blue led means tbh | 08:55 |
| Tegu | incoming SMS, usually | 08:56 |
| Tegu | but now? no idea | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | maybe it isn't the same blue? | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | can you call it? | 08:56 |
| Tegu | maybe maybe, but it looks like the same. and calling? not sure. and don't have anybody to try it now | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | ok then | 08:58 |
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| ggabriel | I can't say removing battery will fix anything | 08:58 |
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| ggabriel | and there is a risk, of course | 08:58 |
| Tegu | ye, that's why I'm afraid to do it | 08:58 |
| Tegu | and I don't even have warranty anymore, so taking it to the service will cost.. | 09:00 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: Should be ok to remove the battery most of the time. As long as you are not installing an os update :) | 09:02 |
| Tegu | xfade_: okay, maybe I should try it.. and fear for the worst :D | 09:02 |
| xfade_ | The rapid blinking is usually a case of something blocking the device from waking up properly. | 09:03 |
| xfade_ | Tegu: long press on power button is even safer. | 09:03 |
| Tegu | xfade_: tried it already | 09:03 |
| xfade_ | After 15 seconds it should at some point shut down | 09:03 |
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| Tegu | xfade_: I held it for a minute now :D nothing | 09:04 |
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| xfade_ | Tegu: Then probably the daemon listening for that button is gone ;) | 09:05 |
| Tegu | :( | 09:05 |
| xfade_ | Battery it is then. | 09:05 |
| Tegu | maybe I should do some ritual dance to summon the daemon | 09:05 |
| xfade_ | Hehe, I wouldn't worry about it too much | 09:06 |
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| Tegu | okay, calling did not work, and removing the battery did help. also, there were incoming sms meassages when I booted the system | 09:34 |
| PeperJohnny | sms of death | 09:34 |
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| TMavica | All Jolla tablet started ship from Hong Kong to europe | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | certainly not all ;) | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | according to the blog | 09:36 |
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| Tegu | haha, yea. I wonder if some carefully constructed sms can kill jolla :P wasn't there something like that for android? | 09:36 |
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| TMavica | All tablet is in Hong Kong | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | TMavica: i'm sure they haven't even started shipping just yet, they only started taking VAT+other taxes from a select number of people | 09:38 |
| PeperJohnny | Tegu: latest thing was stagefright with a manipulated mms afair | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | Tegu: ...and ios, and also the modem is pretty closed so who knows what problems are there but qualcomm? | 09:38 |
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| TMavica | I want try walk in | 09:39 |
| TMavica | Let me chk which airline they ship. Lol | 09:39 |
| TMavica | Easy yo chk | 09:40 |
| TMavica | To | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | TMavica: lol - remember they have to finish sfos 2.0 first | 09:40 |
| TMavica | Then i dont know. I just know all tablet is in Hong Kong | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | are you sure? | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | how do you know that? | 09:40 |
| TMavica | Secret. Lol | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | i'm thinking they have to be flashed with the latest os | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | isn't that done faster in the factory? | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | TMavica: no source, no trust | 09:41 |
| TMavica | The manager is Hong Kong | 09:41 |
| TMavica | Then u can forget my speak. Lol | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | i'm not sure what you mean | 09:41 |
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| PeperJohnny | 1.1.9.28 for everyone | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | PeperJohnny: \o/ | 09:53 |
| ggabriel | https://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/ | 09:54 |
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| PeperJohnny | I wonder how many people won't upgrade | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | this isn't 2.0 either | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | very confusing | 09:55 |
| Nicd- | ggabriel: how is it confusing? this is the last one before 2.0 | 09:56 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: I didn't say it is confusing to me ;-) | 09:56 |
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| PeperJohnny | Well if they're sending tablets out, 2.0 should not be far away | 10:00 |
| ggabriel | or maybe this is it | 10:01 |
| ggabriel | at the end of the day... web 2.0 uses http 1.1 :P | 10:02 |
| PeperJohnny | Would be simpler to ship them with 1.1.9 and give a day one update to 2.0 | 10:02 |
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| chem|st | PeperJohnny: they could send it out with 0.9 for all I care, as long as they ship already! | 10:29 |
| chem|st | PeperJohnny: and 1.1.9 is ~2.0 | 10:30 |
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| PeperJohnny | chem|st: yup | 10:36 |
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| MoritzJT_ | have we mapped the order batches somewhere? | 11:00 |
| MoritzJT_ | i joined in in early december | 11:00 |
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| jaywalk | g'day everyone! | 12:24 |
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| Shihua | thanks,you too | 12:32 |
| Shihua | tomorrow is friday.hahah | 12:33 |
| Shihua | so nice | 12:33 |
| Shihua | Thanks kimmoli,I saw your source code from github | 12:34 |
| Shihua | your app | 12:35 |
| Shihua | Paint,very very great. | 12:36 |
| nh1402 | today is Eid | 12:37 |
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| skvark | there's some odd problem with the Jolla Store, my update was approved but the store still installs old version | 12:38 |
| coderus | send to developer-care@jolla.com | 12:39 |
| skvark | yeah | 12:43 |
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| iotRE | So, btrfs balance start / | 12:52 |
| iotRE | Has been runnig for 40 hours already | 12:52 |
| iotRE | Since it gives no status information, when should I deduct that it's stuck and won't go anywhere | 12:56 |
| iotRE | It does use ~14% cpu constantly, tho | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | there is a status command you can use | 13:00 |
| Nicd- | maybe it was btrfs balance status but might have been something else | 13:00 |
| the_mgt | hm, just got an email that sfos2.0 is released. is that really the same 1.1.9.28 we got on ea? | 13:01 |
| the_mgt | I wouldn't consider that ready for public release yet | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | it is the same | 13:02 |
| urs | with none of the bugs fixed. | 13:03 |
| Nicd- | maybe they had to push it because they moved on with the tablets | 13:04 |
| urs | Yeah, I guess so too. | 13:04 |
| urs | And none of them are actual dealbreakers. | 13:04 |
| urs | Just inconveniences and such. | 13:04 |
| xfade_ | release early, release often ;) | 13:04 |
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| gexc_ | so 2.0 IS 1.1.9.28? | 13:07 |
| Shihua | 1.1.9.28 is long to 2.0? | 13:07 |
| Shihua | belong | 13:07 |
| Shihua | =.= | 13:07 |
| ggabriel | Nicd-: ^^ | 13:07 |
| the_mgt | well, my mail accounts sometimes do not sync until I manually trigger a sync. OOM killer slashes my apps once a day, I can not change the volume while receiving a call, etc | 13:07 |
| Shihua | gexc_: really? | 13:08 |
| pp_ | sort of, just like 1.0 was something like 1.0.4 or whatnot :-) | 13:08 |
| entil | oh crap, 2.0 is the same as the early access release, without landscape covers :( | 13:08 |
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| gexc_ | just got the email | 13:08 |
| entil | what a let-down, regression to n9 practically | 13:08 |
| the_mgt | while not a "deal breaker" as in "you can't use your phone at all", it is kind of an "oh really, that passed quality control?!" | 13:08 |
| entil | the_mgt: exactly | 13:08 |
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| pp_ | next version will be 1.2.x according to some source, and that will complete the transition to 2.0 | 13:08 |
| Shihua | the mail mean 2.0? | 13:08 |
| the_mgt | I have had to reboot my phone more often in the last two weeks than I had to since release | 13:09 |
| entil | how to silence sounds in _production_ sailfish 2.0: choose another ambience or repeatedly hit volume down or go to settings (without a top-menu pulldown shortcut) and put it in airplane mode | 13:09 |
| the_mgt | I mean, initial release, I have one of the first ones | 13:09 |
| Shihua | pp_: where you know from? | 13:09 |
| Tofe | I would have thought that official 2.0 would correspond to the second iteration of 1.1.9.x, that they talked about in the early access release notes | 13:09 |
| pp_ | 1.2 was some jolla guy twittering iirc, final transition is in 1.1.9 release notes | 13:10 |
| xfade_ | entil: just add all the actions for types to the silent profile -> no sound | 13:10 |
| entil | xfade_: what do you mean by actions for types? | 13:10 |
| Shihua | pp_: =.- | 13:10 |
| pp_ | ok, that's no longer the case: "** Release numbers after 1.1.9.x are upgraded to 2.0, not 1.2 like posted earlier on developer mailing list." | 13:10 |
| the_mgt | entil: not the sounds in general, but while talking to somebody during a phone call | 13:10 |
| xfade_ | entil: go to the settings for the silent profile, look at the bottom | 13:10 |
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| entil | xfade_: sorry, still not getting it, what am I supposed to see there? | 13:11 |
| Shihua | pp_: not 1.2x? | 13:11 |
| entil | and isn't the situation snafu when you can't silence the sounds without changing the ambience? | 13:11 |
| xfade_ | entil: So you see Rinngtone volume there, right? | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | entil: did you try long press volume-down? | 13:12 |
| xfade_ | There is a button underneath 'Add actions' | 13:12 |
| entil | because I used to be able to pull down the top menu for "silence sounds" and now I need to do weird magic shit like swiping from the top edge and search for a separate ambience or fuck around with settings | 13:12 |
| xfade_ | You can add the no sound action for all types of notification sounds there | 13:12 |
| entil | and by I I also mean every joe q average user out there who will contemplate android after this | 13:12 |
| entil | ggabriel: holding it down or pressing it repeatedly is the same thing ;P | 13:13 |
| pp_ | apparently so (but who knows with all these blogs with inside info :-) ) | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | entil: ok, just asking as i remember reading that in the rel note | 13:13 |
| entil | xfade_: so ... what about them? | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | "Turn off all system sounds by long press on volume down key" | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | in https://together.jolla.com/question/107685/release-notes-119eineheminlampi-released/ | 13:14 |
| Shihua | I like 1.1.9.28,but the pulldownmenu make me sad. | 13:14 |
| entil | ggabriel: for me it's kinda slow in doing that | 13:14 |
| ggabriel | i have to try it, was just asking really :) | 13:14 |
| Shihua | the pull down menu so bad | 13:15 |
| entil | ggabriel: it actually turns the volume down step by step, where the menu was almost a quick boolean, a slight nip of the screen and it was silent | 13:15 |
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| ggabriel | entil: it shouldn't do that, it should put the phone on silent | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | which is different to turning the volume down | 13:15 |
| entil | and I could do it from the lock screen, which I can probably do now as well, but this is somewhat annoying | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | e.g., you can still listen to music | 13:15 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | from roadmap: | 13:16 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | .[cbeta 1.1.9] Bring back the quick option to silence the device to lockscreen | 13:16 |
| entil | I dunno about that, never listen to music on the phone, but it takes a couple of seconds for the indicator to go from right to left and then it says muted | 13:16 |
| entil | and man I miss the landscaped covers :/ | 13:16 |
| Shihua | back slicence? | 13:16 |
| Shihua | what time? | 13:16 |
| entil | and, of course, swiping the covers | 13:17 |
| Shihua | next month? | 13:17 |
| entil | I'll go drown my sorrows in coffee -> | 13:17 |
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| gexc_ | does the lockscreen make any sense now? | 13:17 |
| gexc_ | since we cannot go back to the lock screen after unlock | 13:17 |
| tadzik | that's why there's nothing in there :P | 13:18 |
| tadzik | I mean, as long as there are no features unique to lockscreen it can have whatever | 13:18 |
| tadzik | I think | 13:18 |
| Shihua | gexc_: that like n9 | 13:19 |
| TemeV | Point of lock screen is to be there to prevent pocket calls etc. There should be no need to get back to it after unlock | 13:19 |
| Shihua | TemeV: why to go back? | 13:20 |
| gexc_ | maybe side swipe could switch between multitask and app drawer, just like n9 :p | 13:20 |
| Shihua | it is good now | 13:20 |
| TemeV | Shihua: exactly, for no reason | 13:20 |
| Shihua | TemeV: =.= | 13:21 |
| gexc_ | and bottom swipe for events/controls | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | it's funny how a lot of people over criticised jolla for the ui first, and now that it's changed significantly to please all those people, there's a lot of criticism to go back but with tweaks | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | guess what'll happen the next time changes are made? wanna bet? | 13:21 |
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| Shihua | gexc_: swip fron bottom get events?is it good? | 13:22 |
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| Nicd- | ggabriel: people always complain | 13:22 |
| gexc_ | ggabriel: not the same group of ppl | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | you don't hear about the people that are content | 13:22 |
| Shihua | I hate that .like now | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | I like the current UI more if there were a couple of tweaks | 13:23 |
| Shihua | Nicd-: me to | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | i haven't used it, but i know i'll get used to it and anything that's hard will just be done via terminal | 13:23 |
| Shihua | too | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | no big deal | 13:23 |
| ggabriel | it isn't the end of the world | 13:23 |
| Shihua | but the pull down menu make me fired | 13:24 |
| entil | yeah, there's probably more good than bad in the new one, but eg. losing the landscape covers required coding effort and added no benefit | 13:24 |
| entil | made it only look old in the sense of n9, and the browser for example twitches into landscape and then back, which looks silly | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | entil: sadly, if you appreciate covers as much as i do, you're within a minority | 13:24 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i guess those are fixed in next version | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | most people don't care as they're used to ios/android | 13:24 |
| ggabriel | i don't blame jolla for choosing to do a more gradual approach to change | 13:25 |
| ggabriel | since most people are simply not smart enough to embrace change or different ways of doing things | 13:25 |
| entil | I'm just depressed by software in general, decided to "test out pimusicbox real quick" as I'm home with a cold and ended up pissing away the whole day with only a couple of github issues and a practically unusable music setup to show for it | 13:25 |
| Temppu-Teme | yeah, you can change things for better or worse and that's not about how smart the users are | 13:26 |
| entil | ggabriel: after december 2013 this is not a gradual change to anything, it's a workover | 13:26 |
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| Temppu-Teme | i think Android 5 devs were trying to hit Ballmer's Peak but overdid it | 13:26 |
| entil | they already have an established user base | 13:26 |
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| ggabriel | entil: that's my point... dec '13 was too much of a change to get _more_ users | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | the current user base isn't enough I think | 13:27 |
| entil | maybe they can woo in new users with the awesome notification screen and cool pull-up apps menu and all that, but the "bad" things don't make sense in that context, they feel extra and useless | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | Temppu-Teme: in this case, I'm suggesting that change depends on how smart people are - so not too smart | 13:27 |
| entil | apps screen even | 13:27 |
| Temppu-Teme | don't have my jolla handy so can't comment :) | 13:27 |
| ggabriel | entil: I guarantee you'll get used to it | 13:27 |
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| ggabriel | also, remember that ios and android copied symbian initially and then went and made changes to it | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | so what I'm suggesting isn't that new of a model | 13:28 |
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| entil | I think this is just jolla and a lack of manpower | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | entil: true... a lot more publicity certainly helps with things | 13:29 |
| entil | have to release what they got scrum-style and unfortunately they don't have the resources to advance the roadmap faster | 13:29 |
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| entil | technical reasons about swiping the covers are ok, maybe the ui framework works so that the notification screen implies getting rid of swipes, but I'd be ok with edge swipes for the notification screen (and I think most people would) if it didn't mean breaking the swipe-to-do-things paradigm sailfish is known for | 13:30 |
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| entil | in essence sailfish took a hit, they now utilize fewer functions (left/right edge swipes) and after a public release, changing that back is a tough sell, after people learn they don't do that | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | entil: that's my view | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | and i think swipeable cover actions have to go if you want more than 1 screen of cards/applications | 13:33 |
| entil | maybe a settings option for it could pop up and I'd enable it, but even then some users might be a bit o_O over it | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | but people _really_ __needed__ more than 9 applications | 13:33 |
| entil | why? | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | entil: isn't it obvious? | 13:34 |
| entil | I mean why would they have to go? | 13:34 |
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| ggabriel | when you swipe up/down, the swipe can be confused with a left/right | 13:34 |
| entil | 1) place thumb on cover 2) swipe to activate action - what does that have to do with how many apps are running? | 13:34 |
| Temppu-Teme | lol, i could barely run 5 or so before OOM killer started to get rid of them :D | 13:34 |
| ggabriel | try single handedly on a website that's zoomed in | 13:34 |
| ggabriel | entil: it's possible, but not practical | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | half of the time you'll be going up/down when you want a cover action and viceversa | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | esp on single handed use | 13:35 |
| entil | ggabriel: there's (or was) visual feedback on the covers | 13:35 |
| entil | and you could always scroll the screen between covers | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | entil: so? you swipe down and you do'nt care, you expect a page down | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | nah, scrolling between covers single handedly is really bad | 13:35 |
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| ggabriel | how do you expect people to get used to it? the same people who can't understand that push from top closes an application? | 13:36 |
| dv_ | push from top? | 13:36 |
| dv_ | I always held down the finger and then pressed the X | 13:36 |
| ggabriel | dv_: it's off by default, but you can push from top and close an application while you are on that application | 13:36 |
| entil | "I spy with my little eye a cover action beginning to take place, best I adjust my pull angle" at the speed of instinct, that's what | 13:36 |
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| ggabriel | entil: ok, I disagree that that's practical while holding an umbrella in one hand and the phone on another | 13:37 |
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| dv_ | I think its ok to keep this off, since closing an application is an action that should require more than one gesture | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | dv_: maybe for you, I use it all the time | 13:37 |
| dv_ | to lessen the possibility of accidentally closing it | 13:37 |
| entil | and that's ok, these are minor grudges and ironically the greatest grudge is the landscape covers which I can't come up with any reason for | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | entil: yup, you're not the only one, and i generally agree with you | 13:38 |
| entil | and that's essentially cosmetic, but in a world where apple's design is a thing, cosmetics matter | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | but apple's design is not a thing | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | apple had to copy symbian otherwise they'd be irrelevant | 13:38 |
| temmi_hoo | cosmetics and ux are important | 13:38 |
| temmi_hoo | otherwise we would all love s60 | 13:38 |
| entil | it would be 25% more acceptable if eg. the browser didn't go into landscape mode for a split-second and then rotate back | 13:38 |
| * ggabriel loved s60 | 13:38 | |
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| temmi_hoo | i hated it | 13:39 |
| temmi_hoo | :) | 13:39 |
| temmi_hoo | n900 was a lot better | 13:39 |
| entil | ggabriel: not just apple's ui design but material design, packing box design, all that | 13:39 |
| ggabriel | n900 had a kbd | 13:39 |
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| ggabriel | and n900 had a lot of things similar to symbian anyway | 13:40 |
| temmi_hoo | keyboards <3 | 13:40 |
| temmi_hoo | soft keyboards are all horrible | 13:40 |
| TemeV | entil: I don't know, but I guess (and hope) landscape covers are gone due to preparing for fully landscape ui | 13:40 |
| dv_ | temmi_hoo: lack of tactile feedback is really a killer for high speed writing | 13:41 |
| entil | TemeV: then we'd miss portrait covers when turning the device the other way around | 13:41 |
| temmi_hoo | dv for even slow writing | 13:41 |
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| * gexc_ pulls out a mech keyboard when typing alot | 13:41 | |
| entil | and I wouldn't use the phone in landscape mode if it wasn't for the tohkbd, which few people have | 13:41 |
| temmi_hoo | i hate it when i have to actually look in the damn small screen when typing something like a new calendar entry | 13:41 |
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| temmi_hoo | 0-9 and old phone style writing is better than softkeyboards | 13:42 |
| TemeV | entil: not if the ui turns side ways and covers with it | 13:43 |
| entil | TemeV: I will accept that if it ships, and I accept your theory, but it doesn't help what was currently released | 13:44 |
| entil | they could've kept that feature back until they actually have the all-landscape feature done | 13:44 |
| TemeV | entil: my point is rolling back that thing might not be that trivial | 13:45 |
| TemeV | in my opinion they should have not released 1.1.9 at all | 13:45 |
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| TemeV | but wait for the 2.0 to be finished | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | 1.1.9 is pretty much 2.0 | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | that's the ui that got the pressed awed | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | it's good for tablet and phone | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | so that's that | 13:46 |
| Nicd- | apparently 1.1.9 IS 2.0 since they sent an email now that 2.0 is available :P | 13:46 |
| entil | I don't know the roadmap really enough to say, if everything's gonna rotate soon, they should've kept this thing back, and if they're going to release it, they better do it soon so we can forget talk about rollbacks | 13:46 |
| ggabriel | the best thing to do now is report the things that don't work well in tjc and voete | 13:47 |
| tbr | I think I'll skip that. Reminds me a bit of 1.0.0.5 | 13:47 |
| ggabriel | i particularly don't care... no ui is perfect, and for what i see sfos is still far better than android/ios's approach to usability | 13:48 |
| entil | all this stuff with the ui is in the closed-source part of the code, right? | 13:49 |
| entil | someone entrepreneurial could otherwise make pull requests | 13:49 |
| ggabriel | there are patches already, so don't really know | 13:50 |
| entil | I'm scared of using patches... if I'm right, they're not tracked very well, they may conflict with each other, break after upgrades etc | 13:50 |
| ggabriel | you have to uninstall patches before upgrading | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | as a general rule for sanity | 13:51 |
| entil | so if joe q average wants something nice, it's much better to upvote on tjc than refer to a patch ;) | 13:51 |
| entil | yes of course | 13:51 |
| coderus | thats because you don't understand what patch is and how it works | 13:51 |
| entil | but they may not apply afterwards | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | joe q avg has to become pro if he wants anything or deal with whatever is handed to him ;) | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | coderus: yup, hence blanket statement | 13:51 |
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| entil | jqa can go on tjc | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | tbh, i don't think tjc is necessarily friendly for avg people either | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | i think joe q avg has to just accept what's given to him and shut up | 13:52 |
| locusf | jqa | 13:52 |
| locusf | I like that | 13:52 |
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| entil | I'm real close to jqa in that regard.. I'm sure reading up on how patches work and using them would make a lot of things better, but actually complaining on tjc or wherever has a bigger chance of the shoutout reaching jqa, whereas patches are and will probably forever be for hackers | 13:53 |
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| temmi_hoo | are you talking about git patches or just general patches? | 13:54 |
| entil | and that's a question for jolla's business strategy division, target jqa or target hackers | 13:54 |
| coderus | i'm never suggesting t ouse patches | 13:54 |
| coderus | just because i don't want to answer questions about it | 13:54 |
| temmi_hoo | btw larry wall's patch(1) is pretty magickal | 13:54 |
| entil | temmi_hoo: there's this concept of a patch manager and patch files that alter the qml files on the phone, and a lot of them seem real nice | 13:54 |
| entil | coderus: yeah, jqa should not get involved in that shit | 13:55 |
| temmi_hoo | patch manager? a jolla thing? | 13:55 |
| entil | google it | 13:55 |
| entil | I got to go anyway, byez -> | 13:55 |
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| ggabriel | ok, i'm updating, why not? :) | 14:14 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: your house will burn down | 14:31 |
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| chem|st | entil: and a lot of them break each upgrade | 14:32 |
| GRnet | so we w8 facebook notification on the next update | 14:32 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. The German translation has a bug. | 14:33 |
| PaulePanter | *Das erfordert ca. 1.5 GB freier Speicher.* | 14:34 |
| PaulePanter | s/freier/freien/ | 14:34 |
| stephg | PaulePanter: tjc! tjc! | 14:35 |
| stephg | :) | 14:35 |
| PaulePanter | Hmm, I thought it’s Sailfish OS 2.0, but the version in the update says 1.1.9.28 | 14:35 |
| PaulePanter | stephg: ? | 14:35 |
| GRnet | 2.0 on the next update | 14:35 |
| nh1402 | there will be another update to complete the transition and will change over to 2.0 | 14:36 |
| PaulePanter | Ah. | 14:36 |
| stephg | PaulePanter: together.jolla.com | 14:36 |
| jaacoppi | + 2.0 actually means 1.2.0 | 14:36 |
| PaulePanter | I just read the subject *Sailfish OS 2.0 is now available for your Jolla smartphone!* of the mail. | 14:36 |
| PaulePanter | jaacoppi: Interesting. | 14:36 |
| PaulePanter | stephg: I don’t use forums. | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | jaacoppi: shouldnt be | 14:37 |
| nh1402 | jaacoppi: No it doesn't. It can mean it to you personally, but it's actually going to be 2.0 | 14:38 |
| stephg | PaulePanter: tjc is the only way the moment to 'sumbit' bugs | 14:38 |
| PaulePanter | Is there a blog post somewhere what the filesystem optimizations do? If I am not mistaken, it has to do with BTRFS. | 14:41 |
| PaulePanter | I’d be very interested in the optimizations that are possible and what commercial vendors do to optimize BTRFS. | 14:41 |
| tbr | once a gpl drop happens you can diff the kernels | 14:42 |
| PaulePanter | tbr: ? | 14:43 |
| PaulePanter | It looks more like some script is run to do the optimization. | 14:43 |
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| tbr | PaulePanter: ah, then it's prolly just the rebalancing | 14:47 |
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| olz | hi | 14:47 |
| olz | does anyone has a horde carddav working with sailfish 2.0 ? I've a jolla phone and caldav is working fine but carddav not :( | 14:48 |
| chem|st | PaulePanter: suffisticated balance with a tad more options than just "btrfs balance start /" | 14:48 |
| chem|st | olz: missing contacts and/or details? | 14:49 |
| chem|st | or unable to sync at all? | 14:49 |
| olz | it doesn't find my contacts in any way | 14:49 |
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| olz | I've added https://serveraddress/rpc.php to server url and carddav / caldav path empty | 14:50 |
| olz | caldav is working carddav does absolutely nothing | 14:50 |
| olz | I've also tried to put different pathes to carddav /turba/user/id /addressbook/user/id /addressbooks/user /principals/user etc. | 14:51 |
| chem|st | olz: having both in one account never worked for me | 14:52 |
| chem|st | don't have horde but owncloud... | 14:52 |
| olz | hm annoying :( | 14:52 |
| chem|st | doing it with a second account worked | 14:52 |
| olz | really? | 14:53 |
| chem|st | one for cal one for card | 14:53 |
| olz | you mean two accounts on jolla or on server side? | 14:53 |
| chem|st | but then I have corrupted sync, buteo export of vcards is broken some way, or something else as I have the same issue with doing a sync by BT | 14:53 |
| olz | because I've tried to use only carddav on the jolla and it's not working as well | 14:54 |
| chem|st | two accounts on Jolla | 14:54 |
| chem|st | then your path is wrong | 14:54 |
| olz | but what should be the path? | 14:54 |
| olz | any idea? | 14:54 |
| chem|st | no idea | 14:54 |
| chem|st | the full path to the addressbook works usually | 14:55 |
| chem|st | but I have no idea if horde works anyway... | 14:56 |
| olz | hm strange because I tried every path | 14:56 |
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| olz | you mean server/rpc.php and path then /turba/user/id/ should work or put all together under server url? | 14:57 |
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| PaulePanter | tbr, chem|st: Thanks for giving an idea. | 15:00 |
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| PaulePanter | stephg, chem|st: Where are the translations kept? Some public repository? | 15:02 |
| olz | chem|st: could you do me a favour? | 15:03 |
| olz | could you check in your owncloud the name of the folder for the contacts? | 15:03 |
| olz | I mean for me its under rpc.php/addressbooks | 15:04 |
| olz | and for calddav rpc.php/calendars | 15:04 |
| olz | perhaps jolla doesn't realize addressbooks and take something different | 15:04 |
| stephg | PaulePanter: depends on the app; if what you found is broke somewhere in one of the store packages, so no prob not public | 15:05 |
| stephg | PaulePanter: that's why I said post on TJC | 15:09 |
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| PaulePanter | No, what did you do with Sailfish OS 2.0? You removed all the coll features. | 15:37 |
| PaulePanter | No pulley(?) menu on the “start” page. | 15:37 |
| PaulePanter | The overlay gestures on the minified apps are also gone. I got so used to those. | 15:38 |
| Jope | they are still there | 15:38 |
| lainwir3d | PaulePanter: not really gone, those are buttons now | 15:38 |
| Jope | they're buttons | 15:38 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 15:38 |
| Jope | the pulley menu is on the lock screen.. | 15:39 |
| Jope | but not on the switcher screen. | 15:39 |
| Jope | make a suggestion on together ::-) | 15:39 |
| Jope | :-) | 15:39 |
| PaulePanter | Ok, I missed the button stuff. Should have been covered in the tutorial. | 15:39 |
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| PaulePanter | Thank you guys. | 15:39 |
| lainwir3d | :-) | 15:40 |
| PaulePanter | Any idea why there is not the contact “button” anymore on the minified telephone app? | 15:40 |
| lainwir3d | oh, they removed it but I don't remember why | 15:40 |
| lainwir3d | sorry | 15:40 |
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| olz | can't I close apps via swipe anymore? | 15:45 |
| olz | :( | 15:45 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | yes you can | 15:46 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | git is in the settings | 15:46 |
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| Jope | olz, it is in the gesture settings | 15:56 |
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| olz | ah ok | 16:04 |
| olz | thanks | 16:04 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... this will take a bit to get used to | 16:08 |
| olz | ok giving up taking sync-evolution again :( | 16:09 |
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| olz | is there any plan when the exchange contacts sync will have real 2-way? | 16:11 |
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| PaulePanter | Hi. How do I mute the phone in Sailfish OS 2.0? | 16:26 |
| ggabriel | PaulePanter: silent ambience? | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | or press volume down | 16:27 |
| ggabriel | long press* | 16:27 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | silent ambience does not have everything in silent by default | 16:28 |
| ggabriel | HarhaanJohtaja: for example? | 16:28 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | evertinh else than ringtones | 16:29 |
| ggabriel | HarhaanJohtaja: i've just selected silent, sent myself an sms and it didn't do any noise | 16:29 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | try reminders | 16:30 |
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| PaulePanter | ggabriel: Well, volume down decreases the volume until 0. | 16:33 |
| PaulePanter | Takes three seconds or so. | 16:33 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | but i think in next version you can mute the phone from the lockscreen also | 16:34 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | just like before | 16:34 |
| cb400f | hopefully, making the phone stfu should be the most easily accessible feature ;-) | 16:35 |
| cb400f | like that alot in sfos 1.x | 16:35 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 16:36 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | .[cbeta 1.1.9] Bring back the quick option to silence the device to lockscreen | 16:36 |
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| tango_ | ok, upgraded to 2.0 | 17:50 |
| tango_ | how do you close an app now? | 17:50 |
| Yaniel | you can enable the old way via settings | 17:51 |
| Yaniel | or you can tap&hold the covers to show close buttons | 17:51 |
| tango_ | much better with the old way | 17:54 |
| Yaniel | indeed | 17:56 |
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| cb400f | now, if you could only enable the old way to sleep without the extra tap ;-) | 18:00 |
| cb400f | but other than that it seems quite nice | 18:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I got used to the slide + tap for sleeping | 18:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | not that hard (imo) | 18:02 |
| Yaniel | I moved to using the power button | 18:02 |
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| cb400f | maybe I can get used to it too... been on 2.0 for about 15 mins so far | 18:02 |
| Lieke | i'm on 1.1.9 since early access and still not used to slide+tap | 18:04 |
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| cb400f | if you "disable" some of all the ambiences the slide down seems a bit faster and easier on the eyes | 18:09 |
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| tango_ | wth now it's syncing my gmail email even though syncing email for the gmail account is disabled | 18:25 |
| tango_ | it's also slow as heck | 18:25 |
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| tango_ | wtf it's still downloading all of my gmail | 18:29 |
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| bjorn | How do you get back to the lock screen once you've gone into applications? | 18:40 |
| bjorn | It used to be just a slide down, but now it seems I have to turn it off first and then turn it back on again? | 18:41 |
| urs | bjorn: you can't. Only by locking. | 18:41 |
| coderus | lockscreen is showed only when device is locked | 18:41 |
| tango_ | FANtastic | 18:42 |
| urs | I mean... it was completely useless before, so I understand why they removed it. | 18:42 |
| bjorn | That's... not good. | 18:42 |
| tango_ | this email thing has basically killed my jolla | 18:42 |
| bjorn | Lock screen is where you can see the data and where you got the shortcuts menu. :/ | 18:42 |
| bjorn | the date* | 18:42 |
| bjorn | Maybe they could at least add the shortcuts menu also on the app screen... | 18:42 |
| urs | bjorn: yeah, those are in the top bar on the "desktop" now. I don't really like that either. | 18:42 |
| tango_ | 3K+ emails, but if I click on the email app it only shows the one from the other email account (OK), but it stalls forever | 18:43 |
| bjorn | urs: Top bar of desktop has neither shortcuts nor date, so what you mean? | 18:43 |
| urs | ah, well, indeed. | 18:43 |
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| urs | anyway, there's multiple posts about that on together.jolla.com, please go and upvote them. | 18:44 |
| bjorn | Also I think the application launcher is way too black now. They should have kept the darkening of the wallpaper I think. | 18:44 |
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| bjorn | Anyway, in some ways I think it's worse, but overall I think I like it. | 18:45 |
| bjorn | Actually, the nicest thing I noticed so far is that the maximum scrolling speed of lists was increased. :D | 18:45 |
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| bjorn | I hope it will be possible to disable the wake-up animation and the animation played when picking an item from the pulley menu, because these are just slowing me down. | 18:55 |
| coderus | bjorn: patchmanager :) | 18:55 |
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| coderus | don't hope sailfish will have such options | 18:55 |
| bjorn | I won't use patchmanager. | 18:56 |
| coderus | your problems :) | 18:56 |
| bjorn | Or maybe they should then just remove the animations again. | 18:56 |
| coderus | i'm doing everything i want and not complaing for such small things :) | 18:56 |
| bjorn | I don't think they're an improvement for anybody. | 18:56 |
| coderus | need to redesign patchmanager so users will understand how cool is that | 18:57 |
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| bjorn | I can't recommend anybody a phone that requires patching up the OS to make it work nicely. | 18:57 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | . [cbeta 1.1.9] Reduce the pulley menu select animation duration | 18:58 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ | 18:58 |
| coderus | bjorn: it's very subjective always | 18:58 |
| bjorn | No it isn't. | 18:58 |
| coderus | lol | 18:58 |
| bjorn | HarhaanJohtaja: Thanks for that. Good news. :) | 18:59 |
| tango_ | there is no way to clear notifications? | 18:59 |
| coderus | don't think everybody you like will be acceptable for others also :) | 18:59 |
| coderus | tango_: press and hold | 18:59 |
| coderus | and magical pulldown menu appears ~~~ | 19:00 |
| bjorn | [cbeta 1.1.9] Improve the speed to lock/unlock the device [OS ver. 1.1.9] | 19:00 |
| bjorn | Says state "released" | 19:00 |
| bjorn | Strange, because I think it became slower. | 19:00 |
| tango_ | I tried that on the notification of the 3K unwantedly synced google emails and it managed to invoke the email app, which locked up the system | 19:00 |
| tango_ | I don't even understand where those emails got stored anyway | 19:00 |
| tango_ | since email does not indicate the presence of multiple accounts | 19:01 |
| coderus | tango_: press and hold longer until [x] appears at left | 19:01 |
| tango_ | ok | 19:01 |
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| tango_ | now I'm afraid to a sync of the google account in case it decides to redownload all the mails again | 19:02 |
| tango_ | jeepers, this update is giving me the creeps | 19:02 |
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| tango_ | so, no way to know what day it is? | 19:13 |
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| Tomin | what do you mean by "no way to know what day it is"? | 19:14 |
| Tomin | it is on the lock screen and on the events view | 19:15 |
| tango_ | Tomin: previously you could scroll down from homescreen and had a more detail information about the day and everything else | 19:15 |
| tango_ | oh it's in the events view? | 19:15 |
| tango_ | ah, with the weather thing | 19:15 |
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| bjorn | Ah, I hadn't noticed it in the events view. That nice. | 19:20 |
| tango_ | hm where is the "silence all sounds" toggle? | 19:20 |
| bjorn | I think you may be expected to use an ambience for such things. | 19:21 |
| tango_ | oh come on | 19:22 |
| bjorn | Changelog says "Enable silent mode by swiping from top edge of the screen and activating Silent ambience" | 19:22 |
| bjorn | Systems sounds can be turned off by long-press of volume key, says the next item. | 19:23 |
| bjorn | The down direction, that is. | 19:23 |
| urs | does anybody of you actually switch ambiences regularly? | 19:24 |
| bjorn | I may now. | 19:24 |
| urs | I have exactly one that I use, and never feel the need to toggle. | 19:24 |
| Tomin | I do now | 19:24 |
| Tomin | It works alright | 19:24 |
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| urs | Tomin: so, do they actually look different, or are you just using identical ones with different sound schemes? | 19:25 |
| Tomin | different backgrounds yes | 19:25 |
| bjorn | "Faster flicking speed across the platform" <- my favourite! | 19:25 |
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| Tomin | That blue image looks nice and complements my green picture of some rapid quite nicely | 19:26 |
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| phlixi | hi | 20:38 |
| phlixi | got an update notification and installed it... | 20:38 |
| phlixi | ...now some thing are broken | 20:38 |
| coderus | broken? :) | 20:38 |
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| phlixi | yep | 20:39 |
| phlixi | :-) | 20:39 |
| phlixi | i use wlan sharing a lot | 20:39 |
| phlixi | suddenly the ssid was changed | 20:39 |
| phlixi | wtf | 20:39 |
| phlixi | well, fixed that | 20:39 |
| phlixi | i wonder what else broke | 20:39 |
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| coderus | broke :D | 20:40 |
| phlixi | well, if you are within the tram, switch on the wlan ap and try to connect, and nothing happens | 20:40 |
| phlixi | to me that is broken | 20:40 |
| phlixi | while thinking about what else and similar could be "boken" i just checked bluetooth now | 20:41 |
| phlixi | ...and guess what, the device name there is changed as well | 20:41 |
| coderus | :D | 20:41 |
| phlixi | i wonder if pairing still works | 20:41 |
| phlixi | because i do not know which name i had there | 20:42 |
| coderus | i dont remember when i used bluetooth last time/// | 20:42 |
| phlixi | i use it some times to get strings to androids (by sending as contact via bluetooth) | 20:42 |
| phlixi | it works with nearly every device out of the box, without installing apps or internet access, thus its quite handy then | 20:43 |
| phlixi | for example for a wlan key :-) | 20:43 |
| phlixi | back today when i was recognizing that wlan was not working (due to the "reseted" ssid) that was quite annoing | 20:44 |
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| phlixi | i wonder what else got resetted what i might discover when it is time critical... | 20:44 |
| phlixi | besides that, the app cover of the "settings app" is also broken | 20:46 |
| coderus | broken? | 20:46 |
| coderus | :D | 20:46 |
| phlixi | the indicators for my shortcuts are missing | 20:46 |
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| coderus | missing? :D | 20:46 |
| phlixi | as you maybe remember, i use the wlan ap a lot. but i have to turn it off when at home/work due to traffic plan and to have it reachable in the local wlans... | 20:48 |
| phlixi | ...until today i could see on the settings app cover whether wlan ap is on or off (and bluetooth and 3g data) | 20:48 |
| phlixi | but it is broken now | 20:48 |
| phlixi | it no longer displayes the status of anything, it is just a bitmap of some silly geer wheels | 20:49 |
| phlixi | also broken is "seeing the current time when unlocking" (double tap to wake up, or single tap on powerbutton) | 20:51 |
| phlixi | i have to wait for a silly animation until something is displayed WTF? | 20:51 |
| coderus | look at it as new homescreen, not update | 20:51 |
| phlixi | also i can not swype until that silly animation finishes | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | people abuse "broken" so much it's not even funny anymore | 20:52 |
| phlixi | also pulley menues are blocking | 20:52 |
| coderus | yeah animation is too long sometimes... | 20:52 |
| phlixi | after selecting something in pulley, it takes ages FOR A SILLY ANIMATION until something happens | 20:52 |
| Yaniel | "different from before" is not the same as "broken" according to my dictionary | 20:53 |
| phlixi | this was never a problem with remorse timer, you do nt have to wait for it | 20:53 |
| Yaniel | regardless of ones stance on the change | 20:53 |
| phlixi | Yaniel: it is broken by design | 20:53 |
| phlixi | and i am talking as a ui designer | 20:53 |
| Lieke | pulleys will be fixed in the next release they said in the release notes | 20:53 |
| phlixi | it is broken design to implent "nice" animations, which are blocking | 20:54 |
| phlixi | implement* | 20:54 |
| phlixi | it is nice with the remorse timer, but it is broken with lockscreen and pulleymenue selection | 20:54 |
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| phlixi | actually i havend checked the remorsetimer since the update, thus i am talking about the old remorsetimer :-) | 20:54 |
| Yaniel | the new remorse timer looks horrible | 20:55 |
| phlixi | looks the same in the notes app | 20:56 |
| phlixi | well, it has steps now | 20:56 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its a bit ugly really, big ugly cross button | 20:56 |
| phlixi | i dont mind (but yeah, the old one was nicer) | 20:56 |
| Yaniel | and AFAIK it's still not well defined what happens when you leave the page | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | before the timer runs out | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | the steps are neither here nor there, but the button? ugh | 20:57 |
| phlixi | wow, that pulley, it really makes me mad everytime i use it | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | Yaniel: most of the time it autofires when you leave | 20:57 |
| phlixi | the new buttons are nice | 20:58 |
| phlixi | less "unlike" but i dont care about the unlikeliness (especially if it is about the "to be unlike for the unlikelyness-factor") | 20:59 |
| phlixi | also i am no longer able to tell the time | 20:59 |
| phlixi | on home its f*cking tiny, and on lockscreen it takes ages to show up | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | well the jolla kinda was the ultimate elitist hipster phone | 21:00 |
| phlixi | a real hipster would probably use some weird skin on a jailbroken iphone | 21:01 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: ive started peeking from the top to check the time | 21:01 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: dont confuse real hipsters from faux hipster popular culture | 21:01 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: thanks, nice idea, might work for me (unfortunately not while locked) | 21:01 |
| phlixi | i got the setting to turn back on closing apps with top-swype | 21:02 |
| phlixi | ...is there a setting i missed to get rid of the ambiance menue? | 21:02 |
| phlixi | ...just lock? | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | you need to unstar all the ambiances from favourite | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | then there is only lock | 21:03 |
| phlixi | but you have to click, right? | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 21:03 |
| phlixi | ...tap :-) | 21:03 |
| phlixi | well, then i dont have to remove then, its the same functionality then | 21:03 |
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| phlixi | i guess it will take a while until i stop to swype up at lockscreen and instead swype side | 21:06 |
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| phlixi | but instead of doing nothing then it could go to home/notification/app (allthough i would prefer home, i would think apps would be more consistent | 21:07 |
| phlixi | but doing nothing looks wrong to me | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | took me a few days to get over the 'aaaaaahhhh' factor | 21:08 |
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| phlixi | by the way, is there a way to get rid of the lockscreen at all? | 21:09 |
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| phlixi | i mean, it could display home instantly (or keypad in case it is actually locked) | 21:09 |
| phlixi | just like it does when waking up the phone with double tap on powerbutton, but with doubletap on the screen | 21:10 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you can configure that with mcetool | 21:10 |
| phlixi | r0kk3rz: i guess you are not talking about this: http://slicksolutions.eu/mst.shtml right? | 21:11 |
| r0kk3rz | hah, no | 21:13 |
| phlixi | found that already: http://www.jollausers.com/2014/07/video-tutorial-want-lpm-on-jolla-heres-a-tutorial/ | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | phlixi: https://together.jolla.com/question/109993/who-needs-a-lock-screen/?answer=110010#post-id-110010 | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | for a more complete answer | 21:14 |
| GRnet | we need a swype keyboard and a fb messenger | 21:15 |
| GRnet | we w8 1 year for that | 21:16 |
| phlixi | is there a list of mce settings? | 21:16 |
| phlixi | therese probably an android app for facebook stuff... | 21:16 |
| spiiroin | phlixi: do "mcetool --help" or "mcetool --long-help" | 21:16 |
| phlixi | thanks spiiroin | 21:16 |
| phlixi | at least ssh login still works :D | 21:17 |
| r0kk3rz | grnet: someone needs to make an fb messenger telepathy thing | 21:18 |
| GRnet | yeah | 21:18 |
| spiiroin | phlixi: mcetool --set-display-off-single-powerkey-press-actions=unblank,tkunlock | 21:18 |
| spiiroin | -> same as double press then | 21:18 |
| phlixi | wow, great | 21:18 |
| phlixi | and in case i would want to actually see the lockscreen | 21:19 |
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| spiiroin | phlixi: mcetool --set-display-off-single-powerkey-press-actions=unblank | 21:19 |
| phlixi | i would have to configure to go there with wake up with double tap on powerkey | 21:19 |
| spiiroin | phlixi: but if you do bypass the lockscreen, better do also: mcetool --set-powerkey-action=proximity2 | 21:20 |
| spiiroin | ... so that power key is ignored if proximity sensor is covered | 21:20 |
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| phlixi | that --long-help is really long | 21:25 |
| phlixi | ...like it :-9 | 21:25 |
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| phlixi | shouldnt this: [root@Jolla nemo]# mcetool --set-display-off-single-powerkey-press-actions | 21:38 |
| phlixi | ...output the current setting? instead of "mcetool: option '--set-display-off-single-powerkey-press-actions' requires an argument" | 21:38 |
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| phlixi | spiiroin: unfortunately: [root@Jolla nemo]# mcetool --set-display-off-doubletap-powerkey-press-actions=unblank,tkunlock | 22:06 |
| phlixi | mcetool: unrecognized option '--set-display-off-doubletap-powerkey-press-actions=unblank,tkunlock' | 22:06 |
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| phlixi | i checked the --help (and --long-help) and can not see such option, but there has to be one, right? | 22:07 |
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| pdanek | Don't you think Ubuntu Touch has gone much more far with security with already having AppArmor by default and snappy applications? | 22:38 |
| pdanek | Sailfish didn't seem to do anything in terms of security so far. | 22:39 |
| phlixi | is there a phone with ubuntu touch? | 22:42 |
| sledges | pdanek: since 1.1.7 you can hide contact list to android apps | 22:45 |
| phlixi | but to me it seems instead of presenting them an emtpy list, they do not work any longer (only tested with threema) | 22:46 |
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| sledges | phlixi: define don't work | 22:47 |
| phlixi | not sure if you are familiar with threema, but it acts like as if you enter wrong unlock once access to contactlist is refused | 22:48 |
| phlixi | when i instaled it first time, contact list was empty (and threema worked) thus it acts differnetly | 22:49 |
| pdanek | phlixi: few phones already | 22:49 |
| pdanek | being sold | 22:49 |
| phlixi | pdanek: yeah, just checked, they have 3 ontheir site ( http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/devices ) | 22:50 |
| phlixi | unfortunately the smaller ones arent really smaller in actual size, instead the only have smaller screen with more bezel | 22:50 |
| pdanek | Meizu is cool, probably better than Intex will be,that's sufficient | 22:51 |
| phlixi | 144 x 75.2 x 8.9mmis way too big | 22:52 |
| phlixi | ...and "sold out" | 22:52 |
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| pdanek | selling in India | 22:52 |
| phlixi | for comparison, the jolla is 130x68 | 22:53 |
| pdanek | jolla is tiny | 22:54 |
| phlixi | n9 is 116x60, imho perfect size for one handed operation | 22:54 |
| pdanek | miniphone | 22:54 |
| phlixi | ...and perfect body for swype | 22:54 |
| pdanek | some people like me don't want tablet and phone, but one device | 22:55 |
| pdanek | and jolla doesn't have choice to choose yet | 22:55 |
| pdanek | we already have small phone | 22:55 |
| pdanek | so now we need large one | 22:55 |
| phlixi | jolla is too big for one handed operation | 22:55 |
| pdanek | depends on your hands | 22:56 |
| phlixi | maybe ok for people with hands like toilet lids | 22:56 |
| pdanek | but the trend is big phones, especially in Asia, and Jolla wants to sell, not satisfy minority | 22:56 |
| pdanek | that's why no qwerty Jolla | 22:57 |
| phlixi | but kind of the smallest size that is too big for one handed operation. i think thats a bad decision | 22:57 |
| phlixi | if you have to operate with two hands anyway, then 5.5" or even 6" is great | 22:58 |
| pdanek | not a bad decisions if everyone wants big phone | 22:58 |
| phlixi | no, because its tiny for "big" | 22:58 |
| pdanek | Jolla isn't apple to dictate what people want | 22:58 |
| phlixi | but still too big for one handed operatoin | 22:58 |
| pdanek | agree | 22:58 |
| phlixi | they also only sell big phones now | 22:58 |
| pdanek | but seems people want big and 2 handed | 22:58 |
| phlixi | jolla neither sertves those who wat giant phones, nor those that want one handed operation | 22:59 |
| phlixi | its the tiniest possible, while still to big for one handed operation | 22:59 |
| phlixi | i think thats a silly size | 22:59 |
| pdanek | right | 22:59 |
| phlixi | (and i prefer a bigger one over that, and prefer even more a smaller one | 22:59 |
| pdanek | that's why Intex must be 5"+ | 23:00 |
| pdanek | my preference is 5.5" though | 23:00 |
| pdanek | :D | 23:00 |
| pdanek | i read a lot on phone and watch videos too | 23:00 |
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| pdanek | phlixi: http://www.phonearena.com/news/OnePlus-Mini-allegedly-visits-AnTuTu-flaunts-high-end-innards_id73982 | 23:27 |
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| pdanek | It's supposed to have 5 inch display, yet they call it Mini. | 23:29 |
| pdanek | So Jolla is micro phone then. | 23:30 |
| pdanek | I know how silly it sounds, but that's where market is going. | 23:30 |
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