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| TemeV | Kabouik: afaik there is not much the client can do for the offline messages, server has to handle them | 05:09 |
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| pp_ | hehe, apk-install VulnChecker.apk (https://github.com/nowsecure/android-vts/blob/master/bin/VulnChecker.apk) an my jolla crashed \:D/ | 07:08 |
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| coderus | apkd-install you mean? | 07:14 |
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| pp_ | yea, it recovered with power button tho :-) | 09:24 |
| pp_ | but got totally stuck in window list screen | 09:24 |
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| Nokius|mobile | Stskeeps not around? =-/ | 10:35 |
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| tuomasjjrasanen | Jolla is eerily quiet. | 11:06 |
| tuomasjjrasanen | Or am I just deaf? | 11:06 |
| Scelt_ | rats are leaving the burning oil rig once again? | 11:07 |
| tbr | let's hope they are just damn busy with polishin everything for launch | 11:07 |
| ggabriel | well, we have to pay the vat and all that | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | unless i missed that :P | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, the tablet shouldn't go out until sfos 2.0 is ready, which it isn't | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | unless they do a beta release like they did with the phone, but people complain too much in those cases | 11:15 |
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| pp_ | yup, guess feedback from 1.1.9 was a bit mixed (and developers might have noticed even more on the tablet) | 11:17 |
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| urs | tablet and sfos 2.0: the new chicken and egg | 11:17 |
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| tbr | well, initial firmware as shipped with device is rarely tru 1.0 material | 11:20 |
| tbr | +e | 11:20 |
| tbr | most of the time I take devices out of the box and update them to whatever is latest before use | 11:21 |
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| chriadam | we're busy ;-) | 11:28 |
| chriadam | lots of polish for 2.0.0 and lots of features for upcoming 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 currently being implemented. | 11:28 |
| * chriadam heads home | 11:28 | |
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| SQUelcher | I really like the new UI.. :) | 11:29 |
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| Laxtlo | me too | 11:44 |
| Laxtlo | sailfishos should been like this from the start | 11:45 |
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| entil | fortunately there are complaints on tjc about not swiping cover actions | 11:53 |
| entil | if covers' swipes can't be captured, maybe the carousel should be an outside swipe ;P | 11:53 |
| ggabriel | i'd start saying goodbye to cover actions until a better time, when users aren't so used to ios/android | 11:54 |
| entil | that day will not come any sooner by making sfos more androidy | 11:54 |
| ggabriel | you can do it gradually to capture the masses | 11:54 |
| entil | well, yeah, have an option in settings for swiping :) | 11:55 |
| ggabriel | android/ios copy each other and they copied symbian for that reason | 11:55 |
| entil | gonna type that up on tjc fwiw | 11:55 |
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| entil | was there a reason why landscape covers are disabled? | 12:00 |
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| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/109778/11928-cover-ordering-plz-restore/ | 12:07 |
| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/109777/11928-bring-back-landscaped-covers/ | 12:07 |
| entil | vote! | 12:07 |
| entil | :D | 12:07 |
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| kjetilho | oh my. the shuffling of cover ordering each time I visted an app was SO horrible | 12:15 |
| ggabriel | isn't the order fixed in 1.1.9? | 12:17 |
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| kimmoli | you can manually move them | 12:23 |
| kimmoli | long press and drag | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | yeah, but manually moving != them being shuffled :P | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | or maybe kjetilho means behaviour in 1.1.7 vs 1.1.9 | 12:23 |
| Lieke | that's probably why he said *was* horrible ;) | 12:24 |
| * ggabriel runs 1.1.7... | 12:24 | |
| kjetilho | entil tried to recruit us to vote for the old behaviour :) | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | well | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | if you use alt+tab | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | you're used to the behaviour in 1.1.7 | 12:24 |
| kjetilho | I don't use Alt-TAB :) | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | another thing that should be configurable imho | 12:26 |
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| entil | -2 vote points, I think I hate the search feature on tjc | 12:36 |
| entil | or maybe searching with words like cover order is not enough | 12:37 |
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| coderus | maybe just somebody dislikes your question? :) | 12:37 |
| entil | coderus: don't think so, there are valid links to duplicates | 12:38 |
| entil | which I see as constructive instead of dislikeful | 12:38 |
| coderus | entil: maybe, i didn't checked your links, just guessed | 12:40 |
| entil | hehe | 12:40 |
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| chem|st | entil: there is a question about stopping autoshuffle from 2013 I think... | 12:41 |
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| entil | this is the problem with opinions, you may have to listen to them, act on them, and then not everyone will be happy | 12:42 |
| entil | worst thing though is to change what's already established without a fallback ;) | 12:43 |
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| Skorpy | pfff... lockscreen still doesn't include the actual lock (pin input) | 12:45 |
| chem|st | the worst thing they did is cover-actions, followed by statusbar | 12:45 |
| chem|st | Skorpy: ? | 12:45 |
| entil | well yeah, that's also changing established behavior, and I'm sure the case could be made that tapping the actions is objectively worse than swiping, for having to aim more precisely on the action button | 12:46 |
| Skorpy | chem|st: you still need to swipe/pull to get to the pin input | 12:46 |
| entil | chem|st: does statusbar mean the one on the top? | 12:46 |
| chem|st | Skorpy: ehrm that is a feature... | 12:46 |
| TemeV | Skorpy: isn't that the same with like every device? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | Skorpy: if you want to get to pin screen right away you can double press powerbutton | 12:47 |
| chem|st | TemeV: android does that iirc | 12:47 |
| Skorpy | chem|st: thanks for the tip. but how about an option to go to the pin input with screen douple tap too | 12:47 |
| chem|st | entil: what else is a statusbar? | 12:47 |
| entil | chem|st: I don't see why you don't like it :D | 12:47 |
| TemeV | and N9 and Lumias iirc, I don't know about iPhone | 12:48 |
| entil | I'm ok with it, but removing the top menu was not fun | 12:48 |
| chem|st | Skorpy: don't know if that is implemented in mce, but you can have a look and change it if available | 12:48 |
| TemeV | I think it is with mce | 12:48 |
| TemeV | at least going straight to home if there is no lock | 12:48 |
| chem|st | entil: only visible when peeking was good | 12:49 |
| chem|st | and a huge clock! | 12:49 |
| entil | with the new way of things I don't know how peeking would be implemented | 12:49 |
| Skorpy | TemeV, chem|st: mce still configurable only from the cli? | 12:49 |
| entil | I miss the top menu, peeking would now mean opening the top menu | 12:49 |
| chem|st | entil: peeking is still there | 12:49 |
| TemeV | Skorpy: yes | 12:49 |
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| Skorpy | ok | 12:49 |
| entil | chem|st: o_O | 12:50 |
| chem|st | entil: you are confusing things | 12:50 |
| entil | maybe | 12:50 |
| chem|st | entil: peeking is to swipe in from left/right and do leave the finger on the screen | 12:50 |
| entil | or, as it used to be, up/down | 12:51 |
| entil | for this case | 12:51 |
| chem|st | entil: that top swipe opens ambience switcher can be changed in settings btw | 12:51 |
| chem|st | returning to close from top | 12:51 |
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| entil | quick app closing, sure | 12:51 |
| entil | I also miss quick phone locking | 12:52 |
| TemeV | I hope I could change top swipe to always lock the phone | 12:52 |
| Skorpy | ^ | 12:52 |
| TemeV | From an app also, I mean | 12:52 |
| entil | an outside side-swipe could still do the ambiences | 12:52 |
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| chem|st | and peeking now pans out the covers and shows notification icons to the left... this could be enhanced with a lot of stuff, like using the other side to show a bunch of hardware state icons | 12:53 |
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| entil | but that has implications for possible cover swipes, if covers can't grab the swipe action and the outside swipe is required to flip the carousel | 12:53 |
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| chem|st | entil: that is gone, ambience switcher is now on lock-device gesture and that is actually a good move as you loose one page with it, what they should implement is to double swipe down to lock the phone or that it needs a long swipe to _not_ lock the phone | 12:54 |
| entil | lock swipe to not lock is my favorite | 12:55 |
| chem|st | ? | 12:55 |
| chem|st | long swipe to not lock? | 12:55 |
| TemeV | or just implement whole bunch of different gestures and actions that can be mapped to them | 12:55 |
| entil | double swipe is worse than tap because you have to move the thumb up in both case, but with double swipe you also move it down and the goal is to minimize the gestures | 12:55 |
| entil | "that it needs a long swipe to _not_ lock the phone" | 12:55 |
| TemeV | then everybody can have what they like | 12:55 |
| entil | so a small top edge swipe will always lock the phone | 12:56 |
| chem|st | TemeV: you could implement both and have a toggle in settings... | 12:56 |
| entil | that's the minimal gesture <3 | 12:56 |
| entil | does temev work for jolla? | 12:56 |
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| TemeV | entil: nope | 12:56 |
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| TemeV | why would you think so? :) | 12:56 |
| entil | because chem|st said you could implement both, I took it literally | 12:57 |
| entil | :( | 12:57 |
| TemeV | I guess it is a "passive you" | 12:57 |
| entil | yes | 12:57 |
| entil | but it's real #unlike to have these configuration options, would fit in with the marketing and all :P | 12:58 |
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| TemeV | it would definitely fit in the "you make it yours" thingy | 12:59 |
| entil | so.. was there a tjc question for locking the phone? I'm afraid of looking for duplicates because pretty much everything I post on tjc is a duplicate I couldn't find .D | 12:59 |
| entil | chem|st's short edge swipe is the best solution imo, though I'd be ok with the old behavior, regardless of losing a page :P | 13:00 |
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| Skorpy | TemeV, chem|st: I tried `mcetool --set-doubletap-mode=show-unlock-screen` and `...=unlock` yet it still doesn't go to the pin input with douple screen tap | 13:01 |
| TemeV | Skorpy: try home screen | 13:02 |
| TemeV | show-home-screen or something like that | 13:02 |
| Skorpy | "invalid doubletap policy value" | 13:02 |
| kimmoli | it doesn go to pin input if devicelock | 13:02 |
| kimmoli | does NOT | 13:02 |
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| Skorpy | can't even be set to go to pin input? | 13:03 |
| kimmoli | -M, --set-doubletap-mode=<disabled|show-unlock-screen|unlock> | 13:03 |
| Skorpy | show-unlock-screen and unlock do the same thing | 13:04 |
| kimmoli | if it is in devicelock (with code) | 13:04 |
| Scelt_ | is there an option to disable unlock animation? I'd prefer not to patch | 13:05 |
| kimmoli | unlock goes to homescreen if locking not timed out. | 13:05 |
| Skorpy | kimmoli: can I make it go straight to the pin input if locked? | 13:05 |
| Skorpy | that is my question | 13:05 |
| kimmoli | nope, afaik | 13:05 |
| Skorpy | ... shame | 13:06 |
| kimmoli | --set-devicelock-in-lockscreen=<READ THE LONG HELP> | 13:06 |
| kimmoli | dunno what that does... | 13:07 |
| Skorpy | tried it | 13:07 |
| Skorpy | didn't seem to do anything or I missed it | 13:07 |
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| spiiroin | kimmoli: it is a way to brick pre sailfishos2 phones ... and create hiccups on v2 until some devicelock fixes get released | 13:10 |
| kimmoli | noticed hickups := | 13:10 |
| spiiroin | kimmoli: basically, removing tklock is not to be even attempted if device lock removal needs to happen in tklocked state | 13:11 |
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| spiiroin | the device lock & tklock removal happen the wrong way around atm -> should not be enabled | 13:12 |
| spiiroin | (once things work, it just means there will be less dbus noise) | 13:12 |
| kimmoli | ok, i think | 13:12 |
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| chem|st | Skorpy: so answer is "not yet" | 13:14 |
| Skorpy | chem|st: seems so | 13:14 |
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| spiiroin | in sfos2 double power key press -> should wake up to show device lock pin query (needs extra dbus ipc that is not - at least yet - selectable for double tap and friends) | 13:18 |
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| kimmoli | double powerkey-click locks, and ask lockcode works yes | 13:19 |
| Skorpy | yup | 13:21 |
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| friese | hei guys, can anyone recommend some settings-toogle patch that works with eineheminlampi? coderus maybe? | 13:29 |
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| chem|st | friese: when I ever know which lake is which version... | 15:31 |
| friese | i mean the current early-access version with sfos 2.0 ui | 15:32 |
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| chem|st | friese: then which toggle? | 15:33 |
| friese | well the old versions had the quick-toggles from settings app, just on the eventsview instead of having to open settings | 15:34 |
| chem|st | friese: that is said to be in next upgrade (2.x then) anyway | 15:34 |
| friese | it is? haven't heard about that, nice :) | 15:35 |
| chem|st | I read in the blog that the next is 2.0 isn't it? | 15:35 |
| friese | yup, i think so. but i didn't realize that 2.0 would have that feature built-in | 15:36 |
| chem|st | somewhere was mentioned that it is missing so I expect it coming | 15:36 |
| friese | humm okay, so maybe i'll have a wait | 15:37 |
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| friese | i had an patch for that in björnträsket from coderus i think, but that doesn't work anymore with the new early-access :( | 15:38 |
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| chem|st | friese: The next OS upgrade "Pick your favorite settings shortcuts to be shown in Events on the phone" | 15:40 |
| chem|st | in release notes of 1.1.9 | 15:40 |
| friese | ah okay, nice :) didn't catch that then... | 15:41 |
| chem|st | no idea why but people tend to stop reading in the middle, the fun stuff is always on the bottom! | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | does anyone even read the changelog before 1. upgrading and 2. complaining | 15:41 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: doubt it | 15:41 |
| friese | usually i do, but somehow that must have slipped past me | 15:42 |
| Yaniel | I usually read them while waiting for the download to finish | 15:42 |
| chem|st | the see the topic and turn to their phones, then they turn to tjc again and start writting bugreports as answers into the release notes... stuff that is most probably within "known issues" or so darn obvious... | 15:42 |
| chem|st | I am especially locking fwd to the new settings layout... the current one is so anti-one-hand-usage... | 15:43 |
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| chem|st | the three folders should be in a pulley and the toggles should be arrangd to be within a thumbs range on the bottom slides above that... | 15:46 |
| chem|st | well another month and we will see that... | 15:47 |
| Coolgeek | will wait for the stable release before upgrading, need my phone :p | 15:47 |
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| chem|st | Coolgeek: faik phone functions did always work for me | 15:51 |
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| Tegu | no, no, no.. just no, the vibrator died again :( and now there's not warranty anymore :/ | 17:48 |
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| Tegu | this has happened earlier as well, and then they just replaced the whole phone part | 17:51 |
| Tegu | it lasted under a year in bth cases | 17:53 |
| Tegu | argh | 17:53 |
| kimmoli | if you have tools, you can open and clean vibra contacts yourself | 17:54 |
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| kimmoli | unless it is something worse | 17:54 |
| grnet | i cant delete manual patches error deleted failed | 17:55 |
| Tegu | yea. it woke up after a gentle hit | 17:55 |
| kimmoli | ah, it needs some love and spank | 17:55 |
| Tegu | but iirc it stopped after some time earlier | 17:55 |
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| kimmoli | so definetilely smells fretting | 17:59 |
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| Tegu | super quickly compared to any phone I've had before | 18:02 |
| kimmoli | pogos s*ck | 18:03 |
| Tegu | and it seems to be somewhat common as well :/ https://together.jolla.com/question/20279/vibration-problem/ | 18:04 |
| Tegu | I just hoped that this replaced one would nt have the same issue, but nope. it's there | 18:05 |
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| inte | hello | 18:07 |
| Tegu | hi | 18:07 |
| inte | are there any recent jolla news? | 18:07 |
| inte | e.g. cover button discussion, tablet shipment e.g. :) | 18:08 |
| inte | just curious;) | 18:08 |
| r0kk3rz | not today | 18:08 |
| Tegu | vreaking news: the vibrator of my jolla phone got stuck. again. and needed smashing | 18:08 |
| Tegu | b | 18:09 |
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| inte | hu? | 18:09 |
| Tegu | but on other news, nope | 18:09 |
| inte | ok | 18:09 |
| Tegu | inte: like this https://together.jolla.com/question/20279/vibration-problem/ | 18:09 |
| inte | sorry for your poor phone... | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure some enterprising sort could locate the required qml code and make a patch for the cover actions | 18:10 |
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| inte | i like the pulldowncovers from OR | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | jaakko himself fought hard to keep the cover actions as they were, but was outnumbered internally | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | so i highly doubt they will overturn that decision | 18:11 |
| inte | it only that they dont work 100% yet | 18:11 |
| inte | https://together.jolla.com/question/109128/feature-request-make-pull-down-covers-official/ | 18:12 |
| r0kk3rz | pulldowns is going to be slower and more error prone that just buttons | 18:12 |
| inte | its only not many people seem to follow me on that | 18:12 |
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| inte | i dont think so since i always hmtrigger the buttons by accident | 18:13 |
| inte | plus they are limited to one action while pull down allow several | 18:14 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i had to adjust where i click on covers, but since its been ok | 18:14 |
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| kimmoli | Tegu: the design remains the same | 18:15 |
| muppeth | + on pulldown. Very grateful for the patch. | 18:15 |
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| inte | still needs some improvements | 18:16 |
| inte | like for scrolling down to the apps | 18:16 |
| inte | and also they only get active after having maximized and minimized the apps at least once | 18:18 |
| muppeth | inte: nice one. Didnt think about it. In general pulldowns gives more possibilities. | 18:18 |
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| inte | yeah | 18:19 |
| inte | hopefully nodevel will look into it further | 18:19 |
| Tegu | kimmoli: yea. so it's a design issue instead of a problem of one batch or something | 18:19 |
| inte | i guess my thumb is just to thick for the buttons:) | 18:20 |
| inte | design issue? the vibrator? | 18:21 |
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| muppeth | The whole button idea doesnt seem right anyway. Im not that big cover action user. I installed the pulldown patch to avoid hitting the cover buttons. | 18:22 |
| Tegu | or so I guess | 18:22 |
| r0kk3rz | cheap parts in the jolla phone? how dare you spread such scandalous lies Tegu | 18:22 |
| Tegu | :P | 18:23 |
| inte | https://together.jolla.com/question/107134/solving-the-cover-actions/?answer=107246#post-id-107246 | 18:23 |
| inte | that's where to vote up | 18:23 |
| inte | muppeth acutally the browser-reload was the one i used most and that was removed :( | 18:24 |
| inte | Hope there will be another patch shortly | 18:27 |
| inte | someone told me its just qml | 18:27 |
| muppeth | inte: i think i voted for it. Even leaving the old action cobers but addind 'press and hold' to trigger them would be nice. i guess already someone mentioned that on tjc (need to update myself on that) | 18:28 |
| inte | so maybe easy to patch | 18:28 |
| inte | yeah, that is discussed in the second thread/link | 18:29 |
| Tegu | please, no holding. I hate holding, it's slow | 18:34 |
| r0kk3rz | https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/commit/5500574936ee6e137a1580b142c94fc4bb3094b6#diff-bf8995d245cf9420dcf00e1b352403afR540 | 18:34 |
| r0kk3rz | patch for browser reload action | 18:34 |
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| muppeth | Tegu: i wouldnt ming a small tiny 'hold' just enougj to distingiush swipe to other screen from triggering cover action | 18:36 |
| muppeth | Tegu: also hate waiting (thats why i loaded all the patches removing silly animations) | 18:36 |
| Tegu | muppeth: yea, e.g. browser bottom bar is way too slow | 18:37 |
| inte | r0kk3rz cool but i would have to recompile the browser? | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | is qml | 18:38 |
| Tegu | but I guess that cover thingy needs some testing | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont see why, that is literally the code it used to have | 18:38 |
| inte | so, well, how do i install it? | 18:40 |
| r0kk3rz | ah i see, theres a bit more to it | 18:42 |
| inte | is that a file on my phone and i only would have to apply this patch? | 18:46 |
| grnet | i cant delete manual patches error deleted failed ? | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: you'd want to roll it into patchmanager, which isnt that hard to do | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | but the action is still in the current code... but something is obviously disabling it somewhere | 18:49 |
| inte | oh ok | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | i assumed they just removed it... but nope, here it is https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/master/src/pages/BrowserPage.qml#L181 | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | unless im looking at the wrong branch | 18:50 |
| r0kk3rz | yes, i am | 18:51 |
| inte | hehe | 18:51 |
| r0kk3rz | so inserting that bracket from previous link into here > https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-browser/blob/upgrade-1.1.9/src/pages/BrowserPage.qml#L301 | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | will do the trick | 18:52 |
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| inte | Thx | 18:58 |
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| inte | i might look into it at the weekend | 18:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | i guess you can remove the add-tab cover action if you wanted, or just have two | 19:00 |
| grnet | i cant delete manual patches error deleted failed ? | 19:02 |
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| Dreamer2000_ | why not have two? | 19:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | the button becomes half as big? | 19:17 |
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| inte | i dont have any buttons :) | 19:23 |
| inte | didnt i mention they suck? ;) | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | pullythingwhatsits then | 19:24 |
| inte | yeah | 19:24 |
| inte | the pulley works nicely with several actions | 19:24 |
| inte | buttons dont | 19:25 |
| inte | thet suck big time :) | 19:26 |
| inte | why does my email not have cover actions? | 19:27 |
| inte | i thought there was a refresh trigger | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | it should have refresh, when you are in inbox/folder | 19:28 |
| kimmoli | not when you have email open in the app | 19:28 |
| kimmoli | but sometimes it loses it also when in inbox | 19:28 |
| inte | ah | 19:28 |
| inte | yes its there again after i restarted the app | 19:29 |
| kimmoli | https://together.jolla.com/question/93964/email-app-not-showing-cover-actions/ | 19:30 |
| inte | lthx | 19:31 |
| inte | upvoted! | 19:31 |
| kimmoli | the original ticket was rejected by jolla due misunderstanding, but afaik it is still open internally | 19:32 |
| inte | just saw | 19:32 |
| inte | still rejected | 19:32 |
| inte | there is the second coveraction missing for email as well:( | 19:33 |
| inte | what were they thinking? | 19:33 |
| inte | and, is the entire button catastrphy now discussed internally? | 19:34 |
| kimmoli | dunno, i'm not internal | 19:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | not now | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | before | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | looong time ago | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | catastrophe seems to be a bit of an overstatement though | 19:57 |
| r0kk3rz | mild inconvenience is more accurate | 19:58 |
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| fennekki | the button inconvenience | 20:34 |
| fennekki | it seems rather bluh, though I guess I was never too big on cover actions | 20:34 |
| fennekki | mostly because a lot of them seemed silly | 20:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | agreed | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but i guess it depends on how much you actually use your smartphone | 20:42 |
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| Kabouik | I still have issues with apps I paid on the Play store before a factory reset: they're shown like I never paid them, and if I try to buy them again (well I wouldn't actually pay twice, just tried), I get an error, so I couldn't even do that | 22:15 |
| Kabouik | Am I the only one? I don't have the apk anymore :/ | 22:16 |
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| chem|st | Kabouik: how about installing them from browser then go online and start gplay? | 22:20 |
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| Kabouik | It works, thanks! :) | 22:23 |
| Kabouik | Didn't know I could do it | 22:24 |
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