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| Pawky | import of exchange meetings will give the wrong time :-( | 06:44 |
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| Pawky | a meeting set att 15:00 will be input as 16:00 | 06:44 |
| Pawky | (gmt +1) | 06:44 |
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| Tofe | Tegu: I thought all the certs were now managed through p11-kit... It's a bit disappointing if it's not the case for Android apps | 07:05 |
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| Tegu | Tofe: yea, I thought 1.1.7 had fixed that now. maybe I did something wrong, dunno | 07:29 |
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| Pawky | isnt this time thing actually an old bug? | 07:53 |
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| jarkko | tried to install Prey according to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1482424 but "pkcon refresh" returns "Fatal error: File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'https://store-repository.jolla.com/features/latest/xt9/armv7hl/?credentials=store'". What does this mean? | 07:59 |
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| the_mgt | so, trusting your geolocation to an us based company that is called "prey"... does not sound smart to me | 08:17 |
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| jaacoppi | it's called prey, not hunter | 08:19 |
| jarkko | the_mgt: is it much different than trusting Google, Apple or MS on the same subject? | 08:20 |
| Lieke | no, it's not | 08:20 |
| jarkko | I mean, I see your point, but if I lost my phone, it would be nice to be able to track it down. | 08:21 |
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| the_mgt | I do not trust Google or MS, I trust apple for that matter. for no rational reason, though. | 08:24 |
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| the_mgt | I am glad that american companies are not preying around my phone. but yes, a method for location for my phone would be nice. but I'd rather host it myself | 08:25 |
| jarkko | ditto, but I'm not aware of such alternative, and I'm probably not able to develop one myself. It would be interesting to discuss different technical approaches, but this would be off-topic here, right? | 08:27 |
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| pp_ | more #sailfishos or whatnot, pretty much you want a "botnet" client on your phone, talking to infra you own (xmpp or whatnot) and then being able to send signed commands that make it do what you want (volume 200%, vibrate, send gps coordinates) | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Nokius: ping | 08:55 |
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| coderus | pp_: ? | 09:10 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: btw, can you tell if Jolla working on prey client internally? I interested in making full featured native daemon for prey. | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: i don't know atm | 09:12 |
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| coderus | okay then :) | 09:14 |
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| the_mgt | http://lwn.net/Articles/450221/ this mentions prey being opensource | 09:36 |
| the_mgt | seems the client is | 09:39 |
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| entil | I just realized the weirdest thing with the early access update :D I used to have "Silence sounds" in the pull-down menu, and now that there is no pull-down menu, I had no idea how to silence the phone so I just navigated to settings and slapped it into airplane mode :D | 09:49 |
| jaacoppi | entil: either use the silence ambience or press the volume down button repeatedly. According to the developer roeadmap the pulldown for silence soudns is coming back soon | 09:52 |
| entil | nice | 09:55 |
| entil | I saw a link for the roadmap but didn't have time to study it | 09:55 |
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| pp_ | coderus: suggestion how a #unlike theft tracking thing should work | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | exploding battery? | 10:21 |
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| jaacoppi | the user could use a home server instead of a central server? | 10:24 |
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| coderus | pp_: you can use nodejs prey right now | 10:27 |
| coderus | and i''m planning to write native daemon client | 10:27 |
| the_mgt | pp_: jolla should run its own prey server and the client should use that one? seems the client is FOSS | 10:29 |
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| locusf | is it known that you cant copy text from uneditable text field in stock browser? | 14:50 |
| ggabriel | i think that the community is working on proper select, copy, paste and so on | 14:53 |
| ggabriel | so any copy/paste issue is probably known | 14:53 |
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| flux | webpirate can do that! | 14:56 |
| flux | it's actually quite a refreshing browser. wish it had the option to not hide tabs/bottom bar, though. | 14:56 |
| ggabriel | it uses webkit, sadly | 14:57 |
| flux | as in webkit doesn't work? | 14:57 |
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| ggabriel | no, i just find it less compatible than mozilla's engine for the portion of the web that i use | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | it's nice to have both options though | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | and then remember which website works best in which browser | 14:58 |
| ggabriel | keeps my brain alert | 14:58 |
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| kjetilho | what does rapidly blinking light blue led mean? | 15:16 |
| kjetilho | my Jolla is unresponsive | 15:16 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: if you have enabled "touch input blocking" debug led, it might be that | 15:17 |
| kjetilho | don't think so. it ought to respond to power button anyway? | 15:19 |
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| spiiroin | kjetilho: yes, it would just mean touch is not enabled even though display is on (due to finger/touch detected during display power up - or optionally proximity sensor) | 15:20 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: or by "blue", do you mean light blue / cyan? | 15:21 |
| kjetilho | I did say "light blue" :) | 15:21 |
| * spiiroin reads again... | 15:21 | |
| spiiroin | doh | 15:21 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: in that case, it is "PatternDisplaySuspendFailed" -> if lasts longer than few seconds, could be that display drivers in kernel are whacked and reboot is needed | 15:23 |
| kjetilho | interesting. 1.1.9 has been really unstable on my phone, but it freezes in many different ways | 15:24 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: btw, if you can get journal before rebooting, it would be interesting to see it | 15:25 |
| kjetilho | ah. I was just about to see if I can log on and look at logs, but they are lost after reboot? | 15:26 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: depends, persistent logs are not enabled by default - so if you've not tinkered with systemd journal settings, they are lost at reboot | 15:27 |
| kjetilho | sounds like I should enable them | 15:28 |
| spiiroin | kjetilho: some info here https://together.jolla.com/question/4842/how-to-enable-more-detailed-and-persistent-logs-on-jolla-device/ | 15:29 |
| kjetilho | thanks! | 15:32 |
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| kjetilho | hmm! messageserver5 is spinning on CPU | 15:37 |
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| phlixi | something strange happened just a few minutes ago: the phone was on the desk and suddenly it started vibrating without interuption and led blinking yellow. once i took it and doubletapped the screen, i had a notification for one new email - but that might not have been it, because this usually would only just vibrate once shortly... is it possible, that this was a missed call? | 15:43 |
| phlixi | also this morning when i unlocked the phone, it blinked yellow very fast and vibrated, then no notification, just unlocked... I rebooted ... | 15:45 |
| spiiroin | messageserver5... If my memory serves correctly, that is email related too | 15:47 |
| phlixi | hi spiiroin, in case you where speaking to me, i understand nothing, sorry | 15:50 |
| spiiroin | phlixi: just wondering if two exotic problems (yours and the one kjetilho had) have something in common, i.e. emails | 15:52 |
| phlixi | well, i am not on 1.1.9 (for now) | 15:52 |
| phlixi | and colors dont match :-) | 15:52 |
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| kjetilho | I restarted messageserver5, (had to kill -ABRT, systemd ignored it, and TERM was caught and ignored), but after systemctl start it still spins on CPU | 15:53 |
| kjetilho | will have to debug more later | 15:53 |
| kjetilho | spiiroin: thanks for your input! | 15:53 |
| spiiroin | phlixi: that stuck vibration is something I've never heard of - might be worth reporting at tjc | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: i had that in the past, phone is probably too busy | 15:54 |
| ggabriel | kill android or something :P | 15:54 |
| phlixi | i did literally nothing with it for the last hours | 15:55 |
| spiiroin | ngfd might be better candidate for restarting than android, but you never know ... | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | which applications do you have open? | 15:56 |
| phlixi | and have less apps open then usually (remember i rstarted this morning after thestrange "wakeup" of the phone) | 15:56 |
| ggabriel | is it still happening? | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | tbh, I'd worry if it's easily reproducible | 15:57 |
| ggabriel | else ignore it | 15:57 |
| phlixi | settings app, gpodder (not playing since 4 hours or so) browser, and threema (android app) | 15:58 |
| ggabriel | the same way you ignore a video when it gets stuck and then it fast forwards to catch up | 15:58 |
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| ggabriel | android sucks up a lot of resources fwiw | 15:58 |
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| phlixi | actually to me it does not make sense, that this could be a "load" problem, this is the absolute minimum of apps i have open all the time (Threema, settings, browser and gpodder). And the phone was sitting on the desk doing nothing for hours. also browser and threema are pretty much "unused" and fresh started; it is normal for me to have much more stuff open... | 16:07 |
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| Helle | meh, more todo list items, make gpodder auto download new podcasts | 16:41 |
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| phlixi | Helle: on the N900 gpodder already did that... | 17:30 |
| phlixi | ...even "Only auto download on wlan" | 17:30 |
| Helle | phlixi: the code is there, the UI isn't | 17:30 |
| r0kk3rz | should be easy then | 17:30 |
| Helle | yep | 17:31 |
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| nomeata | Hi. What could be the reason if one android app (k-9) suddenly no longer sees my regular contacts, but rather just the almost empty list of another (threema) | 17:40 |
| nomeata | and more importantly: how do I fix it? | 17:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | nomeata: denied contacts in android settings? | 17:43 |
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| nomeata | r0kk3rz: I am just about to upgrade to the latest version: would I still have these settings? | 17:45 |
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| nomeata | also, k-9 had access to the settings | 17:45 |
| r0kk3rz | depends what you mean by latest | 17:46 |
| r0kk3rz | they're in 1.1.7 | 17:46 |
| nomeata | I’m still on 1.1.6.27 | 17:47 |
| nomeata | I guess I can upgrade, maybe that fixes stuff... | 17:47 |
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| nomeata | strange, even with 1.1.7, I do not have the option to configure some of the android apps, while I can configure others... | 18:09 |
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| pdanek | http://www.sammobile.com/2015/09/11/samsungs-tizen-powered-z3-will-launch-in-europe/ | 18:15 |
| pdanek | It might be cheap. | 18:16 |
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| Kabouik | Anyone using XMPP on the Jolla here? | 18:27 |
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| pdanek | I'm using Gtalk | 18:27 |
| pdanek | in the integrated messenger | 18:27 |
| Kabouik | I've created an account on dukgo.com with Pidgin, added a friend, enabled the account on my Jolla, but still can't find the contact in the Jolla even if she's online | 18:27 |
| Kabouik | I have Gtalk working too with my Gmail accounts, but the individual XMPP account does not work. Or I don't know what actually fails, to be honest | 18:28 |
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| Kabouik | For instance, the XMPP account is shown as active in Settings/Accounts, but it is not displayed in Settings/Status (only my Gtalk account is here) | 18:31 |
| cb400f | Kabouik: if you open the notifications view (swipe from bottom), then pull down the pulley menu and "view status information", does it say your xmpp account is online? | 18:31 |
| Kabouik | Owned! | 18:31 |
| Kabouik | I'm running SF2.0 so the status information is not here anymore, but as said above: no, account is not displayed here | 18:32 |
| cb400f | hm, still waiting for the official update here :-) | 18:32 |
| Kabouik | But I had the same issue with an earlier version, I just tried again :p | 18:33 |
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| Kabouik | I'm sure I'm doing something wrong | 18:33 |
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| cb400f | dunno.. maybe it's something with the server, I have a jabber account kdetalk.net and I never got it to work, but with a different account on a different server, no probs | 18:34 |
| Kabouik | Hum | 18:35 |
| cb400f | but that was a while ago, and I don't use it much on the phone... iirc the account did show up, but I just couldn't get it online | 18:35 |
| Kabouik | Can you tell me how you configured it? For instance, did you had the @server.com in the username field, or just in the server address below? | 18:35 |
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| cb400f | seems I remembered wrong... the kdetalk account is the one that works, it was another one that failed... I have cb400f@kdetalk.net in the "description", the server address field I have empty | 18:37 |
| cb400f | and I have port 5222 | 18:37 |
| the_mgt | iirc, xmpp was a bit harsh about certificates | 18:38 |
| Kabouik | Yes, I saw a post on TJC about certificates, but I don't quite got whether it applied to my issue | 18:39 |
| Kabouik | Thanks cb400f | 18:39 |
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| Kabouik | https://together.jolla.com/question/4998/xmpp-other-than-google-talk-does-not-work/?answer=5100#post-id-5100 This solved my issue cb400f, or at least I can see my XMPP account in Jolla status now | 18:59 |
| Kabouik | Now I don't know if I can get messages when I'm offline (and retrieve them when connecting), or send messages to offline contacts. If anyone know, please highlight me :) | 19:00 |
| cb400f | ah, there's also an ignore ssl errors checkbox in the UI | 19:00 |
| the_mgt | which never did it for me | 19:00 |
| cb400f | oh | 19:00 |
| the_mgt | i tried to connect to a openfire server which I had set up myseself | 19:02 |
| the_mgt | same with a citadel's xmpp flavour. which is badly implemented in the first place. but iirc, that one had a valid cert | 19:03 |
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| * gexc-phone is moving to US :-/ | 19:09 | |
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| gexc-phone | so... get a hotspot? get a nexus 5? or wait for the next jolla while suffering 2G | 19:10 |
| pdanek | Maybe Intex will save you. | 19:12 |
| gexc-phone | hmm... | 19:12 |
| cb400f | or at least get the tablet so you can at least enjoy some sailfish goodness ;-) | 19:14 |
| taaem | I'm thinking if Jolla could sell the Intex phone under the Jolla brand in europe since Intex is currently only in India | 19:15 |
| gexc-phone | if the build quality is good though | 19:16 |
| taaem | gexc-phone: ofc | 19:16 |
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| gexc-phone | according to wiki India is using LTE-TDD and 900/2100 for UMTS, not a good sign it seems | 19:19 |
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| the_mgt | ah, build quality... the android sheeple will take any ultrascheap crap, as long as it is promised to be an iphone killer | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | gexc-phone: nexus5 is most likely your best choice | 19:21 |
| gexc-phone | maybe :-/ | 19:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | gexc-phone: well you know the story with the jphone, and we havent seen anything else yet | 19:21 |
| gexc-phone | hmm... at least nexus has more ram | 19:22 |
| gexc-phone | and I'll keep the jolla to run some android crapwares, what a joke lol | 19:23 |
| the_mgt | tape an android n5 to the rear of the one running sailfish os. best of both worlds... | 19:24 |
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| taaem | hopefully we hear soon from the new Jolla devices company | 19:25 |
| gexc-phone | or make a nexus5-TOH | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | theres been zero talk about the north american market, so i doubt thats a focus | 19:26 |
| gexc-phone | hope they are not limited by SoC this time | 19:27 |
| taaem | That was simply bad luck | 19:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | dont most phones have a north american version and a rest-of-the-world version? | 19:30 |
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| grnet | how to delete the junk files ? | 21:26 |
| coderus | what? :) | 21:27 |
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| grnet | the junk files trash files like android and windows | 21:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | theres a few things that accumulate, mostly nothing to worry about | 21:33 |
| r0kk3rz | except for thumbnails | 21:33 |
| grnet | all trasfers files where saved? | 21:34 |
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| grnet | i go on download and its empty | 21:34 |
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| coderus | what application transers? | 21:56 |
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| Kabouik | Any update on this? https://together.jolla.com/question/12933/receive-offline-messages-questionidea/ Anyone knows if it works now? | 22:29 |
| Kabouik | Talking about XMPP, not Gtalk (which moved from XMPP) or FB | 22:30 |
| grnet | any news about fb chat restore? | 22:32 |
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| Kabouik | Ok it seems offline messages works with xmpp on the Jolla, I couldn't get them with dukgo.com but it seems to work with xmpp.zone as a server. | 23:54 |
| Kabouik | And messages are synchronized between Jolla and Pidgin on desktop, which is very good. | 23:55 |
| Kabouik | Plus offline messages trigger notifications on the Jolla when they are retrieved after the connection is restored, good too. | 23:55 |
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