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| ballock | I think my btrfs on Jolla might be roasted. Is there an image I can use to dd to mmcblk0p28? | 07:19 |
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| flux | if there is, it's not available from jolla, due to the proprietary binaries they apparently cannot distribute in binary form | 07:20 |
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| ballock | aren't they on separate mmcblk0p{1..27} partitions? | 07:21 |
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| tbr | ballock: the recovery snapshot is part of the btrfs | 07:24 |
| tbr | which makes recovery super fast, but also runs the risk of being busted if the whole btrfs falls apart | 07:24 |
| ballock | yup | 07:24 |
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| tbr | I think someone has a clean btrfs snapshot, compressed to 150M or so | 07:25 |
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| ballock | I guess I could try to recover it the recovery snapshot | 07:25 |
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| inte | was closed in when minimized | 08:06 |
| inte | and after restarting cutespot, saiöirc was closed | 08:07 |
| inte | there is some more rigid memory management in 1.1.9.28, right? | 08:07 |
| inte | only other app open at the same time was android-whatsapp | 08:08 |
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| inte_ | so, is it finally possible to change some settings to stop the phone always ending my apps? | 08:23 |
| phlixi | of course not! | 08:24 |
| inte_ | like, when i put sailirc and cutespot in the background cutespot will stop playing music, and after restarting cutespot sailirc will finish | 08:25 |
| inte_ | so i will keep rejoining this channel like every ten minutes if you dont mind:) | 08:25 |
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| inte_ | is 1.1.9.28 consuming much more memort then 1 | 08:26 |
| inte_ | 1.7 | 08:26 |
| phlixi | are you sure sailirc is closed? Or is it just disconnecting? | 08:26 |
| phlixi | i mean, do you start irc again, or does it just reconnect? | 08:26 |
| inte_ | the app cover stays on the homescreen but the app is closed | 08:26 |
| inte_ | restart | 08:26 |
| inte_ | takes a few seconds to come up again | 08:27 |
| inte_ | in the previous release, i may have experienced some lag | 08:27 |
| inte_ | and in rare cases apps were completly closed | 08:27 |
| inte_ | but now it seems that the app is intentionally closed in the background | 08:28 |
| phlixi | i always thought the last case (the app is "really closed" => also no more cover) is the out of memory closing | 08:28 |
| inte_ | yeah | 08:28 |
| inte_ | thats how it was in 1.1.7 | 08:28 |
| flux | maybe the limits have been tuned as in to not make the system feel laggy | 08:28 |
| inte_ | now apps appear to be intentionally closed but the covers stays | 08:29 |
| flux | how much nicer it would've been to ship with more memory :P | 08:29 |
| inte_ | am i the only one experiencing this issue? | 08:29 |
| phlixi | because i observed that irc lost conection everys few minutes once display is off. however, you can easily fix THAT, but activating wlan AP (connection then just stays up... prevents some sort of sleep...) maybe just test that | 08:29 |
| inte_ | like im virtually the only one supporting.pulldowncovers to coverbuttons? | 08:30 |
| inte_ | phlixi wlan ap? | 08:30 |
| flux | inte_, did you look at kernel logs? if it has indeed killed the app? | 08:30 |
| inte_ | im connected through.wifi, so... | 08:30 |
| inte_ | oeh | 08:30 |
| inte_ | let me check | 08:31 |
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| phlixi | inte_: well, that "fix" of course does not work on wlan. but you might want to test that without wlan | 08:32 |
| inte_ | mh | 08:33 |
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| inte_ | kswapd send signal 9 to harbor-cutespot | 08:34 |
| inte_ | so, i need to kill kswapd | 08:34 |
| inte_ | i will try | 08:34 |
| coderus | oom? | 08:35 |
| inte_ | cant kill kswapd0 :( | 08:36 |
| inte_ | coderus seems like but jolla may have altered the threshold | 08:37 |
| flux | you just need to run smaller apps. | 08:37 |
| inte_ | i dont have any lags anymore, as in previous releases | 08:37 |
| inte_ | hahaha | 08:37 |
| inte_ | i could of course close android | 08:37 |
| inte_ | dalvik stop | 08:38 |
| flux | inte_, btw, cat /proc/swaps, are your swaps how full? | 08:38 |
| inte_ | i'd prefer to change back the threshold | 08:38 |
| inte_ | zram partitions are almost full | 08:39 |
| inte_ | till about 30% space in mmcblk | 08:39 |
| inte_ | so, can i extend zram swap? | 08:39 |
| inte_ | i dont know anything.about jollas swap management | 08:40 |
| inte_ | btrfs isnt full though | 08:40 |
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| ShadowJK | i think therrs a separate lowmemkiller module | 08:51 |
| Scelt_ | how I can clear all the notifications? | 08:52 |
| Scelt_ | without opening them one by one | 08:52 |
| Skorpy | long press | 08:52 |
| stephg | then pulley | 08:53 |
| Skorpy | wow... just noticed: the eventsview pulley menu is not visible if you don't long press first. :( | 08:53 |
| stephg | Skorpy: yeah to me that's a regression | 08:53 |
| Scelt_ | ugh | 08:53 |
| Skorpy | indeed | 08:53 |
| stephg | I want the pully damnit ;) | 08:53 |
| stephg | straight away | 08:53 |
| Scelt_ | pulley should be visible always | 08:53 |
| Scelt_ | that's annoying | 08:53 |
| Scelt_ | I looked for pullies but none found | 08:54 |
| Scelt_ | Skorpy: thanks | 08:54 |
| Skorpy | might be quite easy to patch (for now) | 08:54 |
| Scelt_ | this is the first sfos version I have had to ask for UI tips | 08:54 |
| Scelt_ | I'm getting old or sfos is getting worse | 08:54 |
| Skorpy | some parts did get worse | 08:55 |
| Skorpy | mostly it feels better though | 08:55 |
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| stephg | I think it's better in nearly all respects, feels faster too | 08:56 |
| Skorpy | yeah. long lists feel much more slick now | 08:56 |
| Skorpy | which is realy good | 08:57 |
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| ggabriel | Scelt_: well, give yourself a chance... you didn't have months of anticipation like you had with 1.0 (and videos on youtube, and marc dillon showing you how to use the phone, etc etc) | 09:03 |
| flux | inz, you cannot extend zram swap, it's compressed swap made out for you RAM.. | 09:09 |
| flux | inz, but if you have swap available, you can perhaps tune the VM parameters to your liking | 09:09 |
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| flux | inz, ie. you could try sudo sysctl vm.swappiness=100 | 09:12 |
| flux | why am I telling all this to inz? because inte_ is not available! | 09:13 |
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| the_mgt | full ack wrt long lists, scrolling through my music collection is now usable | 09:20 |
| the_mgt | (I still hate the fact that everything is ordered by artist under title and album) | 09:21 |
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| flux | I guess it leaves space for apps that just show the directory tree as-is :) | 09:27 |
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| inz | flux, that is why I don't usually use tab-completion in irc ;) | 09:35 |
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| ballock | anybody has an rpm package of nbd-server for jolla? | 09:48 |
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| ballock | or... even better, a binary compiled for busybox? | 09:49 |
| flux | for what use?-) | 09:50 |
| flux | wouldn't a file server (ie. http, samba, nfs) be better for almost all uses.. | 09:50 |
| ballock | Jolla recovery, I'd export the mmcblk0p28 as an nbd | 09:50 |
| flux | well, why not just dump the nbd over ssh? or netcat? | 09:51 |
| ballock | and use the external hosts btrfs snapshot facility | 09:51 |
| ballock | too much data | 09:51 |
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| flux | how is this solution going to transfer less data? | 09:51 |
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| ballock | The remote nbd client implements his own btrfs, and can use btrfs send and btrfs receive. | 09:52 |
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| ballock | (the jolla's built-in one can't do that due to bugs) | 09:52 |
| Skorpy | uh... quick peek screen or what ever it is called isn't working for some reason. Backlight does light up but screen stais blank. | 09:52 |
| Skorpy | aaand now it works again | 09:52 |
| Skorpy | unlocked the phone and locked it again and it worked. | 09:53 |
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| spiiroin | review/testing appreciated: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1324 | 10:25 |
| merbot | Mer bug 1324 in mce "MCE double tap configuration does not work as expected" [Task,Assigned] | 10:25 |
| spiiroin | https://github.com/nemomobile/mce/pull/321 | 10:25 |
| spiiroin | ^ kimmoli ? | 10:25 |
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| Scelt_ | ggabriel: true | 10:40 |
| kimmoli | spiiroin: can test only after sunset | 10:40 |
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| Sail0r | https://thehackernews.com/2015/09/bypass-android-lockscreen.html | 10:46 |
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| tadzik | hahaha | 10:59 |
| tadzik | that's so common though | 10:59 |
| tadzik | ubuntu had exactly the same thing a while ago. Crash the lockscreen, recover to unlocked desktop | 10:59 |
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| coderus | MazeLock patch for SailfishOS v1.1.9.28 waiting to be downloaded from https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock | 13:33 |
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| muppeth_ | coderus: kudos. \o/ | 13:44 |
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| coderus | Disable glass avatar patch for SailfishOS v1.1.9.28 is ready: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-disable-glass-avatar | 13:53 |
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| skillz_ | Is there an issue with the calendar on 1.1.9? | 14:24 |
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| tadzik | there's new ones :) | 14:36 |
| tadzik | (you'll have to be more specific) | 14:36 |
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| skillz_ | I can't save any events to my personal calendar | 14:47 |
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| friese | humm... wasn't there once an port of the "send to phone" chrome/fx-addon to use sailfish os as a client? | 16:27 |
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| friese | on the other hand... i could just build a simple little addon that uses xdg-open via ssh -> won't even need an app on my jolla for that | 16:31 |
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| friese | humm, https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/external-application-button/ together with a little shellwrapper around ssh and xdg-open works perfectly :) | 16:40 |
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| pawky|2 | where does the backup end up in the phone? | 18:20 |
| Tegu | /home/nemo/.vault | 18:20 |
| Tegu | iirc | 18:20 |
| pawky|2 | nope... | 18:21 |
| pawky|2 | i assume its a tgz gz or zip or something , right? | 18:22 |
| Tegu | it's the whole folder, I think | 18:22 |
| pawky|2 | looks like a .git repo to me... :-/ | 18:22 |
| Tegu | yea | 18:23 |
| Tegu | if you have an sd card, you can export a .tar to it | 18:23 |
| pawky|2 | then one should be able to do like... git clone and stuff? | 18:23 |
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| attah | ping tworaz | 20:01 |
| tworaz | attah ponh | 20:02 |
| tworaz | pong* | 20:02 |
| attah | nothing provides libevent-2.0.so.5 :( | 20:02 |
| attah | nevermind :P pkcon refresh was kind of missing from what i was doing | 20:03 |
| tworaz | It's in mer-tools | 20:04 |
| tworaz | http://piratepad.net/sailfish-quicksilver | 20:04 |
| tworaz | I completely forgot about that one | 20:04 |
| attah | i had added it.. but apparently i wasn't sync'ed | 20:04 |
| attah | had to reset the phone a few weeks back | 20:04 |
| tworaz | I could probabyly statically link it | 20:05 |
| pdanek | Did Sailfish 2.0 implement some feature to automatically kill apps due to low memory? | 20:05 |
| pdanek | Since the upgrade, my apps are getting killed. | 20:05 |
| pdanek | I prefer swapping and slow system, over my apps being killed. | 20:05 |
| tworaz | but almost half the code in libquicksilver.so.47 are already statically linked 3rd party libs | 20:05 |
| attah | tbh.. this isn't a hassle.. i was just being an idiot :) | 20:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: oom-killer has been there for some time now | 20:06 |
| attah | but mentioning it in the post will get it more users | 20:06 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: but why does it exist? | 20:06 |
| pdanek | isn't swapping enough? | 20:06 |
| tworaz | attah: well to be honest I'm not really that interested in getting to many users ;) | 20:06 |
| tworaz | attah: It's just some people who really wanted to try my work | 20:07 |
| attah | ..so don't say anything then ;) | 20:07 |
| pdanek | If user wants quicker system, they will kill the apps themselves? since all the apps are visible on home screem | 20:07 |
| tworaz | attah: I'll be interested in getting more testers once I publish the code | 20:07 |
| r0kk3rz | we have a compressed in-ram swap, rather than a swap file or partition on emmc | 20:07 |
| pdanek | not good | 20:07 |
| pdanek | with 1G phone | 20:07 |
| attah | tworaz: oaky :) so far it does load the page but then goes white | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | is good, because of 1g | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | if we had 8gb, theres no point compressing anything | 20:08 |
| r0kk3rz | but oom-killer exists for out of memory conditions | 20:09 |
| attah | killing all other apps seems to have done the trick | 20:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | you can argue that there are other ways of handling oom conditions | 20:09 |
| tworaz | attah: The white page problem usually happens when the renderer process dies | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | but you're probably better off arguing with stskeeps and not me | 20:10 |
| tworaz | attah: There is a notification when this happens but it's not hooked in the UI | 20:10 |
| attah | okay :) | 20:10 |
| tworaz | attah: This can happen when there is a bug, or when the process gets killed by OOM | 20:10 |
| tworaz | attah: The OOM handling code could use a bit of love | 20:10 |
| attah | tworaz: this time i blame oom | 20:10 |
| tworaz | attah: Normally it hooks into mce and starts killing least recently used tabs | 20:11 |
| attah | yup.. also sign me up for a J2 with 4GB of ram ;) | 20:11 |
| r0kk3rz | didnt they just make a 16gb ram chip | 20:12 |
| tworaz | attah: Well the current build could use a bit less mem | 20:12 |
| tworaz | attah: Chromium has something called low end device mode | 20:12 |
| tworaz | attah: I don't enable it for sailfish currently, and its turned on automatically only when the device has less that 512MB of mem | 20:12 |
| tworaz | attah: If you want to try it start quicksilver_shell with --enable-low-end-device-mode | 20:13 |
| attah | tworaz: that's neat :) what does it do.. (that couldn't be done always) | 20:13 |
| tadzik | Heh, I wonder if you can force Opera to enable that | 20:13 |
| tadzik | I wonder who'd know that.... :P | 20:13 |
| pdanek | Well, we all hope for Intex with 3G memory. | 20:13 |
| pdanek | But it's gonna be 2G | 20:14 |
| pdanek | I multitask a lot! | 20:14 |
| pdanek | and mostly android apps running in the background | 20:14 |
| r0kk3rz | tworaz: is this a personal project? | 20:14 |
| tworaz | yep | 20:15 |
| attah | tworaz: running right now, i'll try to compare a bit with the stock browser later | 20:15 |
| tworaz | started it shortly before joining jolla | 20:15 |
| r0kk3rz | ah fair enough | 20:15 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds good anyway, keep it up | 20:16 |
| tworaz | attah: Please don't treat it as a browser | 20:16 |
| tworaz | attah: My only goal to make an engine port | 20:16 |
| tworaz | the shell app is only a test application, there is a reason why it's so ugly ;) | 20:16 |
| attah | tworaz: I'll do two things: post on TJC to say it works.. and when stock browser slays something horribly, i'll retry with quicksilver | 20:17 |
| tworaz | try vimeo ;) | 20:17 |
| tworaz | or youtube | 20:17 |
| tworaz | MSE is something we should really support if we want to have good youtube experience | 20:18 |
| tworaz | WebGL also seems to perform better | 20:18 |
| attah | .. and html5test is on the list | 20:19 |
| tworaz | the biggest gain in general is site compat | 20:19 |
| attah | crap.. can't log in to TJC | 20:19 |
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| tworaz | WebKit based browsers seem to be used more often by web devs | 20:20 |
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| attah | beats my desktop browser by a wide margin in html5test | 20:23 |
| tworaz | attah: Keep in mind this is bleeding edge chromium code | 20:24 |
| tworaz | attah: One of my goals was to make a port that can easily follow upstream releases | 20:24 |
| attah | yep, i realize.. and i expected it to do well.. but it's still on mobile | 20:24 |
| attah | tworaz: i understand there is some hassle doing so for the stock browser.. | 20:25 |
| tworaz | attah: Well gecko does not have any public APIs that other people can use to make browsers or any other products | 20:25 |
| tworaz | attah: Chromium does, it's called content | 20:25 |
| tworaz | attah: My port basically keeps this API fully functional and only wraps it to make the engine usable from QML | 20:26 |
| attah | tworaz: so kudos to you.. and i kind of hope it makes it in to every day use one way or another | 20:26 |
| attah | :) | 20:26 |
| tworaz | attah: For gecko large part of our resources is spend on implementing such API | 20:26 |
| tworaz | attah: This is one of the reasons I also don't like QtWebEngine | 20:27 |
| attah | tworaz: not fun work at all it sounds like | 20:27 |
| tworaz | attah: They basically also implement their own public API | 20:27 |
| tworaz | attah: My side goal is to also make crosswalk running on sailfish | 20:28 |
| tworaz | attah: And crosswalk is a content API based app | 20:28 |
| * attah duckducks crosswalk and finds stuff about bible studies | 20:29 | |
| tworaz | attah: Would be funny if we could have full support for Tizen web apps | 20:29 |
| attah | tworaz: nice even | 20:29 |
| tworaz | attah: Well it's a rather long term plan, but I believe it's doable | 20:30 |
| tworaz | attah: I actually made crosswalk port running on EFL port of chromium when I was running for Samsung | 20:31 |
| attah | tworaz: and exactly the kind of innovation that has potential for sailfish and the likes to make it outside the niche markets | 20:32 |
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| attah | tworaz: heck, i think i'm pretty good at what i do.. but then i hear about you guys :D | 20:33 |
| tworaz | Well I do have some browser experience under my belt ;) | 20:33 |
| tworaz | It seems I only miss some trident experience ;P | 20:34 |
| attah | tworaz: that's a good thing, isn't it? | 20:34 |
| tworaz | I've worked on Presto, WebKit, Chromium, Gecko | 20:34 |
| r0kk3rz | tworaz: that would involve working for microsoft.... yeah dont go there | 20:34 |
| r0kk3rz | although 'edge' isnt running trident anymore isnt it? | 20:35 |
| tworaz | r0kk3rz: don't plan to, but they can always opensource their engine, who knows | 20:35 |
| tworaz | r0kk3rz: it kind of is | 20:35 |
| r0kk3rz | tworaz: crazier things have happened | 20:35 |
| tworaz | they did not create completely new engine from scratch | 20:35 |
| tworaz | they just took some version of trident, forked it and removed a lot of legacy crap | 20:36 |
| attah | i put my money on that it's to ugly to be opened up any time soon | 20:36 |
| attah | the new thingy.. maybe | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | tworaz: up next: servo? | 20:36 |
| r0kk3rz | browser engines are ugly though | 20:36 |
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| tworaz | Well, I don't know what to think about servo | 20:36 |
| tworaz | r0kk3rz, I wouldn't say WebKit / Chromium are ugly | 20:37 |
| tworaz | the web is ugly place in general | 20:37 |
| tworaz | but chromium codebase is actually quite nice IMO | 20:37 |
| attah | opening up legacy would show a few security holes i'm certain.. and with people not updating that's be a half-decent botnet | 20:37 |
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| tworaz | chromium feels well maintained compared to for example Presto and gecko | 20:38 |
| tworaz | they have strict coding standards so the code is easy to read | 20:39 |
| tworaz | you have to get used to it, but once you do it's IMO easy to follow and understand | 20:39 |
| tworaz | there are a lot of tests and there are strict QA procedures in place | 20:39 |
| attah | i don't quite know what to think of coding standards.. unless i agree with them | 20:40 |
| attah | yes, i'm that guy, adding extra brackets in C89 | 20:40 |
| tworaz | I have experience with projects which have strict standards and some that dont | 20:40 |
| tworaz | I really prefer the first group | 20:41 |
| tworaz | One thing I hated about Presto was that almost each file had its own way of formatting the code | 20:41 |
| attah | I get that.. but with my limited sample size i have one with not-very-strict standards, and the code is still pretty ok.. and one with strict standards and code looks lik shit bc of crap standards | 20:42 |
| attah | Now *that* is just bad | 20:42 |
| tworaz | well there was also a problem that different people preferred different names for the same things | 20:43 |
| attah | nice | 20:43 |
| tworaz | so you had like 16 different string implementations | 20:43 |
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| tworaz | because one group of people preferred the length of the string to be returned by a method called len not length | 20:44 |
| attah | gah, seriously? | 20:44 |
| tworaz | or Predecessor/ Successor instead of Previous / Next | 20:44 |
| tworaz | or Cardinal instead of Size | 20:45 |
| tworaz | imagine you have some container lets say a list and you want to know it's size | 20:45 |
| tworaz | and the method you need is called Cardinal | 20:45 |
| attah | I really need to stop complaining about the codebase at work :P | 20:45 |
| tworaz | WTF | 20:45 |
| tworaz | Opera had a lot of very inteligent people, but most of them had their own preferences in regards to stuff like this | 20:46 |
| tworaz | and the code was just plain PITA to work with | 20:46 |
| tworaz | so I really prefer chromuim codebase where there is usually only one way of doing things right | 20:47 |
| attah | speaking of work.. i need to sleep | 20:47 |
| attah | good talking to you tworaz, and keep up the good work | 20:47 |
| tworaz | and they even have custom clang plugins to tell you when you do something wrong | 20:47 |
| tworaz | attah: thanks, have a good night | 20:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | coding standards is always a battle | 20:48 |
| tworaz | r0kk3rz: Not saying it isn't, but I believe for big projects it's a must have | 20:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | agreed | 21:04 |
| r0kk3rz | its something im battling for at my current place of work | 21:04 |
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| pdanek | http://www.androidheadlines.com/2015/09/yotaphone-3-launched-2016-sailfish-os.html | 21:49 |
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| tadzik | url says "launched" | 22:08 |
| tadzik | title says "to be launched" | 22:08 |
| tadzik | >:( | 22:08 |
| tadzik | I'm excited though | 22:08 |
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| Raim | sounds like the same rumor that was denied in July | 22:22 |
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| coderus | yeah nobody know what is the current status of Jolla - Yota cooperation | 22:48 |
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