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| tadzik | wtf | 01:15 |
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| tadzik | my favourite ambiance is gone >;o | 01:15 |
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| tadzik | hm, ambiances now have 'add actions' at the very bottom, greyed out. Interesting | 01:28 |
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| covox | someone mentioned flac in the media player got broken in the update, is this true? | 01:35 |
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| tadzik | can someone still on 1.7 upload the grass ambiance somewhere please? | 02:09 |
| tadzik | it's gone from 1.9 | 02:09 |
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| Nicd- | hmm | 03:40 |
| Nicd- | is there something with SF 2.0 and list views? | 03:40 |
| Nicd- | or just quickddit? | 03:40 |
| Nicd- | when I scroll down in quickddit, go to another app and then back to quickddit, it has scrolled up | 03:40 |
| Nicd- | makes multitasking totally useless | 03:40 |
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| Pawky | ok... and where does one find the settings menue on Jolla 2.0? | 05:33 |
| Stskeeps | settings icon in app launcher? | 05:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 05:34 |
| Pawky | there is none.... :-/ | 05:35 |
| Pawky | ahh... found it... | 05:35 |
| Pawky | Stskeeps: that bluetooth tethering app still doesn | 05:37 |
| Pawky | t work under the new version :'( | 05:37 |
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| Pawky | but the new 2.0 looks good :-) | 05:40 |
| Pawky | is there a way to modify that quick access pull down menue like earlier? | 05:41 |
| pp_ | hmn, so ambience actions is only override tones, not say "turn airplane mode on" | 05:45 |
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| Smar | Nicd-: there was in known bugs that landscape mode resets scrolling, related to that? | 05:47 |
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| Nicd- | Smar: didn't go to landscape mode | 05:48 |
| Nicd- | just swipe away from app and go back to it | 05:48 |
| Nicd- | didn't reproduce in YTPlayer so it might be app specific | 05:48 |
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| Smar | mhh, worth of investigating though, I’d guess some regression there anyway :) | 05:58 |
| Nicd- | hahaha I found it | 05:59 |
| Nicd- | I was clicking the cover action by accident | 05:59 |
| Smar | it resets it? | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | (I find the new cover actions to be horrible, very easy to do by accident) | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | it refreshes the page | 06:00 |
| Smar | ah | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | so scrolls to top | 06:00 |
| Smar | how it works now? | 06:00 |
| Smar | the actions, I mean | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | it's a button now | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | takes up the lower section of the cover | 06:00 |
| Smar | ah | 06:00 |
| Nicd- | so click anywhere there and it will do the action | 06:00 |
| Smar | it does sound better to me though | 06:01 |
| Nicd- | that is... really bad | 06:01 |
| Smar | mhh, maybe it should be double tap or something instead then? | 06:01 |
| Smar | I didn’t like the slide-things at all :) | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | thing is when you are reaching from the bottom you hit the bottom of the cover easier because it's closer | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | with your thumb | 06:02 |
| Nicd- | I liked the slide covers, they were not easy to trigger by accident | 06:02 |
| Smar | I never used them because they were so hideous :) | 06:03 |
| Smar | double tap should solve that | 06:03 |
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| TemeV | Double tap is not good for cover actions, because then there has to be some delay when opening the cover to check if there will be second tap | 06:32 |
| Pawky | the new version feels snappier, when scrolling menues, a bit like the good old N9 :-) | 06:34 |
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| Nicd- | kind of sad that the calendar sync has the same problem it used to | 06:40 |
| Nicd- | my work google account has many calendars for different rooms (so you can reserve them). jolla's calendar has decided that it will sync one of those rooms calendars and display it to me no matter what | 06:41 |
| Nicd- | when I disable it, it will be re-enabled after a while | 06:41 |
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| the_mgt | agreed with Pawky | 06:51 |
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| the_mgt | then again, every update to every machine makes it feel snappier, in my experience | 06:51 |
| the_mgt | might be purely psychological | 06:51 |
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| Pawky | I believe it has to do with the sensitivity when swiping... | 06:52 |
| Pawky | though a big problem still existing is the phone not really getting when you are at the edge.. | 06:52 |
| the_mgt | only thing I am missing is a way to remove this oldschool OCD infobar at the top of the home screen | 06:53 |
| pp_ | some animations do seem laggy :-) | 06:53 |
| Pawky | as for when swiping, or an even bigger nightmare, when wanting to edit to the left of the leftmost character.. | 06:53 |
| pp_ | but in general I do like the changes | 06:53 |
| the_mgt | me too | 06:54 |
| Pawky | but bluetooth tethering must work soon, when the tablet comes... as I presume that will be the only way to keep your battery working all day while sharing your 3g... | 06:54 |
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| the_mgt | Pawky: exactly, I was hoping for bt tethering, too | 06:55 |
| pp_ | lockscreen having animation is just silly, I wanna see the time NOW | 06:55 |
| Pawky | the_mgt: it did work before with the app in the store, but since last update it doesn't :-( | 06:55 |
| the_mgt | I missed that app | 06:56 |
| the_mgt | will install and wait for update | 06:56 |
| Pawky | the_mgt: install it and try.. maybe its due to me already having it installed or something... | 06:56 |
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| Whippler_ | just found out that clear all notifications pulldown is missing too. | 06:56 |
| the_mgt | Whippler_: yeah, that's one of the things i dislike | 06:57 |
| Whippler_ | one of the many :/ can i downgrade without factoryreset? | 06:58 |
| Pawky | i miss the pull down shortcut menu :-/ | 06:58 |
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| the_mgt | Pawky: for the three apps? thats still working here | 06:58 |
| Pawky | I do like that little bar on the pull up menue though :-) looks smart | 06:59 |
| Whippler_ | ? lockscreen still has pulldown, just not "silence" in thrre | 06:59 |
| the_mgt | and comments in the tethering app hint that it was borked in 1.1.7 already? | 06:59 |
| pp_ | ambience pulldown works for silence | 06:59 |
| the_mgt | silence can be forced on by long pressing the volume down button, if i read correctly | 06:59 |
| Pawky | the_mgt: well when upgrading from 26 -> 27 it kind of died on me... | 06:59 |
| Nicd- | there is a clear all notifications pulldown | 07:00 |
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| Nicd- | long press on a notification and then pull down | 07:00 |
| the_mgt | thx | 07:01 |
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| Whippler | the_mgt: well yeah but thats a button | 07:01 |
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| Pawky | is anybody having any thoughts of creating an iptables frontend, like droidwall? :-) | 07:04 |
| Pawky | i am a bit amazed nobody has done it yet... | 07:04 |
| the_mgt | bluetooth thethering gives me "error: not supported" | 07:05 |
| Pawky | the_mgt: exactly... | 07:05 |
| Pawky | but it is.. | 07:05 |
| Pawky | I put my hopes into the person who's written the app to update it... but no sign of it yet though... | 07:06 |
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| the_mgt | relax, people have lifes outside of coding foos | 07:06 |
| Pawky | I believe the source code might actually exist on git.. | 07:06 |
| the_mgt | *foss | 07:06 |
| Pawky | that's very true... | 07:07 |
| Pawky | a bit of its akilles heel to be honest... | 07:08 |
| the_mgt | it is worse with payed software, some thing will never get fixed if the company sees no value in it. look at the stagefright desaster | 07:10 |
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| Pawky | duh... my battery seemt to drain a bit too fast for comfort after the upgrade... :-( | 07:15 |
| Pawky | opps, there went another %... | 07:16 |
| Pawky | and I have no apps running on it.. | 07:16 |
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| Pawky | now another 2% :-( | 07:18 |
| TemeV | is this the first battery drain report someone was asking for? | 07:21 |
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| chriadam | anything showing up in top? | 07:25 |
| chriadam | or powertop | 07:25 |
| chriadam | if there's some process which is running in the background at high cpu, let me know. | 07:25 |
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| Pawky | chriadam: After thinking a bit, i went into display and noticed the back lighting being at 100%. I suspect that might be the reason, combined with me checking out the 2.0... :-) | 07:29 |
| chriadam | possibly. it should go to sleep mode though, after some timeout period, and dim the backlight automatically | 07:29 |
| chriadam | but yeah, if you were swiping etc at the time, then that might contribute | 07:29 |
| Pawky | it was at 66% after rebooting it, at 9:16. Will check again in a while with it idling... | 07:29 |
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| chriadam | thanks | 07:30 |
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| Pawky | If someone from support is lurking in here, I haven't had the time to send in my phone for repairing my yellow blob on the screen yet. It's not that easy to just send ones phone off, being left with an old N9 that barely makes it half a day... ;-) | 07:32 |
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| Pawky | will jolla 2.0 finally support SSDP in Android? :-) | 07:52 |
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| Pawky | chriadam: -1% after one hour | 08:16 |
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| coderus | ssdp what? | 08:33 |
| pp_ | some long-lasting problem of multicast packets not working in android or whatnot | 08:36 |
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| chriadam | Pawky: that seems reasonable. | 08:48 |
| Pawky | chriadam: yes it does :-) | 08:49 |
| Pawky | coderus: pp_: precisely | 08:49 |
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| Pawky | I cannot initially see why these packets are filtered for android, as the WIFI driver nicely receives them and all... | 08:50 |
| pp_ | "iwpriv wlan0 setMCBCFilter 1" | 08:51 |
| pp_ | ? | 08:51 |
| pp_ | or is that an additional feature :P | 08:51 |
| Pawky | As I wrote, sailfish gets them.. its android that doesnt | 08:51 |
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| Pawky | pp_: well, I believe it might be filtered from scratch, but as you wrote you can enable it in the driver :-) | 08:52 |
| Pawky | this means you can write software for Sailfish that will be able to retrieve SSDP, but if wanting to use Android apps, like Sony's "PlayMemories" for their cameras, you will be out of luck | 08:53 |
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| coderus | ssdp worked for me in previous version also | 08:54 |
| coderus | in android apps | 08:54 |
| Pawky | coderus: uh.. it did??? | 08:54 |
| coderus | yeah | 08:54 |
| Pawky | coderus: like.. what softy? | 08:54 |
| coderus | webos tv control | 08:55 |
| coderus | it does ssdp scan for pnp devices | 08:55 |
| Pawky | Now, this sounds interesting... | 08:55 |
| Pawky | has it always worked, like many generations ago, or quite recently? | 08:55 |
| Pawky | and... did it work right out of the box? | 08:56 |
| coderus | first tried it in u7 or u8 | 08:56 |
| coderus | so quite ago | 08:56 |
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| coderus | just installed app from play store and it just worked | 08:56 |
| Pawky | coderus: ok... that's great news to hear... and you are sure it uses SSDP for it? | 08:57 |
| tadzik | repost: can someone still on 1.7 upload the grass ambiance somewhere please? it's gone from 1.9 | 08:57 |
| TemeV | maybe you can ssu re to 1.1.7, then install it with pkcon and ssu re back to 1.1.9 :) | 08:58 |
| TemeV | (I really don't recommend though) | 08:58 |
| tadzik | I hope to find a friendly hooman that'll spare me this madness :P | 08:59 |
| tadzik | also, store down? | 08:59 |
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| coderus | Pawky: yes | 09:00 |
| Pawky | This is really great news! :-) | 09:01 |
| TemeV | oh, ambiences are not separte RPMs in the repo | 09:03 |
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| Tofe | Is there a reason why there is no pulley menu on the home screen ? | 09:08 |
| Tofe | I miss my shortcuts... | 09:08 |
| tadzik | you mean the new lockscreen? | 09:11 |
| Tofe | no, the home/apps screen | 09:11 |
| tadzik | it never had pulley | 09:11 |
| tadzik | pulling up took you to lockscreen | 09:11 |
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| Tofe | well, ok, it was on the lockscreen, but the lockscreen isn't accessible easily now | 09:11 |
| tadzik | true enough, you can't go there now without locking and unlocking | 09:11 |
| tadzik | yeah, exactly | 09:11 |
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| Tofe | and it seems like there is no gesture associated to pull down in home screen | 09:13 |
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| tadzik | Scrolling running app list comes to mind | 09:20 |
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| Tofe | tadzik: this didn't prevent from pulling the app launch from bottom | 09:27 |
| tadzik | True | 09:27 |
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| Tofe | No, I think it's just an unused possibility here | 09:29 |
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| Whippler | downgrafe to 1.1.7.28 complete, thank god it was possible without a wipr | 09:31 |
| Whippler | wipe | 09:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | who downgrade ? | 09:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | why downgrade* | 09:31 |
| Whippler | plenty of reasons in the usability of 1.1.9 UI | 09:32 |
| tadzik | Gods bless patch authors | 09:32 |
| urs | yeah, it's somewhat rough around the edges. | 09:32 |
| urs | Report all problems, otherwise it'll never get awesome | 09:32 |
| tadzik | And they are out already :) | 09:32 |
| tadzik | I still think the goods outweight the bads | 09:32 |
| Whippler | silent pulldown missing, horizontal unlock swipe is painfull, covers dont arrange by most recent, swipe down to lock missing, clear notifi swipe behind a hold press, missing app dock... only good things to say is events view looked better and android notification were complete. | 09:35 |
| TemeV | I think Sailfish need extensions.gnome.org kind of way for community to provide tweaks | 09:35 |
| TemeV | patchmanager kind of is that, but it would be nice to have official way | 09:36 |
| urs | Oh, this "covers don't arrange by most recent" is *excellent*. That is actually a feature I requested. | 09:36 |
| urs | the covers now stay sorted in order they were launched. | 09:36 |
| urs | Much better spatial memory to remember which one is sitting where. | 09:36 |
| Whippler | i know ppl have wated it, but why not keep an option to arrange them by recent | 09:36 |
| urs | Ok, indeed, an option would probably be good. | 09:37 |
| Whippler | tbh for me its more usefull to know where the previous app is, whatever it was | 09:37 |
| Whippler | also why did they remove toggle indicators from settings cover... i liked em a lot | 09:38 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Whippler: same | 09:39 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it's a shame | 09:39 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TemeV: hooking customizations in a QML UI is not easy | 09:39 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | trust me, patches is much nicer :) | 09:39 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yes, it can break | 09:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yes, backups are needed | 09:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | no I'm not doing them correctly ... | 09:40 |
| lainwir3d | yeah qml miss flexibility in that area | 09:40 |
| TemeV | SfietKonstantinW: ok, I didn't acutally think how it could be done | 09:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | however, qml is pretty good for patching | 09:40 |
| TemeV | *actually | 09:40 |
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| jaacoppi | so.. can't "settings" be an app that patches files? | 09:45 |
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| Yaniel | why do people hate the new UX so much | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: omg change? | 10:05 |
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| Yaniel | use it for a week or two and then decide if the changes are really that bad | 10:05 |
| Yaniel | omg change and a chance to complain about stuff I guess | 10:06 |
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| minimec | tadzik: unzip the file to /usr/share/ambience. I extracted the folder from jolla-preload-ambiences-0.1.0.-10.9.1.jolla.noarch.rpm on my Nexus 5... https://www.dropbox.com/s/z9339xs9abih7hm/grassroot.zip?dl=0 | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | I myself want it to change but not change | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | does that make sense? | 10:06 |
| ggabriel | learn from apple, every year it changes everything (again), but nothing changes :P | 10:07 |
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| Yaniel | eh | 10:07 |
| Lieke | i like the new ui for the most part | 10:09 |
| Yaniel | me too | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | I expect I'll like it... it's tweakable enough | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | maybe I should buy a second phone to try these things | 10:11 |
| Yaniel | we really need per-device early access opt-in | 10:12 |
| ggabriel | really? can I just ignore it in the "production" device? :P | 10:12 |
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| tadzik | minimec: thank you! | 10:15 |
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| tadzik | Well, I partially understand the hate of changes. For instance, I got really used to swipe to lock, to the point that I killed time on meetings playing with its fadeout animation | 10:16 |
| tadzik | Now it's gone and that makes me sad | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | ok, that's a detail | 10:17 |
| Lieke | yes, that is one of the things i don't like with the update | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | I like that too | 10:17 |
| ggabriel | we have to thank android/ios users for any change on the swipe-from-top gestures | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | in a nutshell, it's google's fault | 10:18 |
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| tadzik | There are small things that I didn't notice at first, but I love them | 10:20 |
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| tadzik | Reordering apps is nice | 10:24 |
| tadzik | And I just witnessed the new silent oom killer | 10:24 |
| Yaniel | master of the silent kill -9 | 10:25 |
| kjetilho | wow. just got a look at 1.9 IT'S AWESOME! | 10:27 |
| kjetilho | so many small things which has annoyed me are fixed! | 10:27 |
| * kjetilho signs up for EA pronto :) | 10:27 | |
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| Yaniel | and then there are all the small things that you liked... | 10:28 |
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| inz | I hate the delay caused by activation animation of pulley menu items | 10:29 |
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| Lieke | that's going to be fixed with the next release tho | 10:29 |
| kjetilho | Yaniel: not really | 10:29 |
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| Yaniel | heh, the hyc tag on tjc is basically just a collection of "please revert x" | 10:35 |
| entil | this new ui feels really new :D | 10:37 |
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| entil | maybe the tutorial should tell me how to clear notifications | 10:37 |
| inte | 1.1.98 installed without any hassles for me :-) | 10:37 |
| inte | the phone is a bit mor N9ish now ;) | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: hyc? | 10:38 |
| TemeV | https://together.jolla.com/question/20626/helsinki-yachting-club-supporter-of-the-jollauiux-design-team/ | 10:38 |
| inte | did anyone try patchmanager for the current prerelease? | 10:38 |
| TemeV | some tag for general ranting about ui | 10:38 |
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| Yaniel | well, the keyboard peek feature request is actually a good idea | 10:39 |
| tadzik | inte: yes | 10:39 |
| entil | I love the n9ishnesh! | 10:40 |
| tadzik | I'm using swipe to lock and faster pulley animations | 10:40 |
| entil | I just don't know how to do some things with it anymore :D | 10:40 |
| tadzik | I feel a lot happier with them :) | 10:40 |
| tadzik | Though I put grassroot back in /usr/share/ambiance and yet settings don't see it | 10:41 |
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| entil | ah, it's a hold-tap | 10:42 |
| entil | to open the close buttins | 10:43 |
| entil | butt..ins? buttons | 10:43 |
| tadzik | Freudian slip? :P | 10:43 |
| inte | so i wouldnt really break the device with pathmanager | 10:43 |
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| inte | well some things are different and im not completly sure why they changed it | 10:44 |
| inte | nevermind though | 10:44 |
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| inte | with jolla one, it was different because it was not like the n9 | 10:45 |
| inte | now its again more like the n9 | 10:45 |
| inte | and differen again | 10:45 |
| tadzik | Oh, .ambience files are different for v2 | 10:45 |
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| tadzik | That's why grassroot doesn't work | 10:45 |
| tadzik | I'm not fixing them on on-screen keyboard though | 10:45 |
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| inte | however, is there a tweek to put the screen on top again? | 10:46 |
| inte | i feel it more natural to only have vertical swipes | 10:46 |
| Yaniel | tadzik just drop the picture to gallery and make an ambience from it? | 10:46 |
| inte | or only have horizontal swipes | 10:46 |
| inte | but not this kind of around-the-corner swipes | 10:47 |
| entil | is this a regression with the landscape keyboard? | 10:47 |
| tadzik | Yaniel: yeah, that's one way to do it. But will autogenereted colors be as good as the originals? | 10:47 |
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| Yaniel | you can always change it via the gui | 10:48 |
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| minimec | tadzik: There is som 'translations' folder in the preload-ambiences rpm file. Maybe you need to put the relevant file to your phone too. I send you the whole rpm file... https://www.dropbox.com/s/qf8swqxbs29zfia/jolla-preload-ambiences-0.1.0-10.9.1.jolla.noarch.rpm?dl=0 | 10:48 |
| Yaniel | anyway the algorithm seems to have gotten even beter (or the general usage of theme colours) | 10:48 |
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| inte | damned the maths in alarns tweak doesnt work | 10:50 |
| inte | that will be risky! | 10:50 |
| tadzik | inte: i know right! | 10:51 |
| tadzik | It's a miracle I got out of bed | 10:51 |
| Yaniel | :D | 10:51 |
| tadzik | I guess the fact that it's broken gave me a massive adrenaline rush | 10:51 |
| inte | hehe | 10:51 |
| Yaniel | just put the phone far away enough so you can't reach it directly | 10:51 |
| inte | hey there is an update on openrepos!!! :-) | 10:52 |
| inte | tadzik: we're lucky :-) | 10:52 |
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| tadzik | I wonder how warehouse managed to keep the old.remorse animation | 10:52 |
| tadzik | Which it.misuses *so badly* | 10:52 |
| Yaniel | custom component | 10:53 |
| * inte didnt't realize it has changed yet | 10:53 | |
| Yaniel | and yes it's horrible | 10:53 |
| Yaniel | this is why you have a HIG | 10:53 |
| tadzik | I'm okay with it | 10:53 |
| flux | it's the "not responding" with warehouse that annoys me the most :/ | 10:54 |
| tadzik | It's so bloody overused the leas visible it is, the better :P | 10:54 |
| inte | is there a patch to put eventsview back on top of homescreen? | 10:54 |
| Yaniel | and there'll always be this kind of people: http://readthefuckinghig.tumblr.com | 10:54 |
| entil | errh, adding an internet connection to settings' favorites is _still_ broken | 10:55 |
| tadzik | Ehh, my attempt at fixing grassroot has failed | 10:56 |
| tadzik | Jolla pls :( | 10:56 |
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| the_mgt | hm, there are some fancy effects added to the music when you use bt with a car radio | 10:58 |
| the_mgt | kind of adds to the feeling as long as you play psy trance, but might be annoying with more organic kinds of music | 10:58 |
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| Yaniel | the_mgt: hmm? by the jolla or your car radio | 10:59 |
| entil | wonder if this is stuff for tjc as well, the calculator doesn't have a menu pulley | 11:00 |
| entil | anymore | 11:01 |
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| the_mgt | Yaniel: it is done by the jolla, read it somewhere on tjc yesterday, iirc. or somewhere else, that somebody has the playing speed doubled | 11:04 |
| the_mgt | it was switching between double and half speed here, with some distorion noise | 11:04 |
| the_mgt | will add to tjc later | 11:04 |
| Yaniel | huh | 11:05 |
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| tadzik | minimec: it seems like the image is different too; the old ambiance is much taller. I'll try to crop it later on a pc | 11:14 |
| inte | is there a patch to put eventsview back on top of homescreen? | 11:14 |
| inte | or maybe that is only a setting? | 11:14 |
| inte | am i the only one missing that? | 11:14 |
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| tadzik | Events on homescreen? | 11:15 |
| inte | the event screen | 11:15 |
| inte | is now lift or right | 11:15 |
| inte | sideways swipe | 11:15 |
| inte | it used to be top | 11:15 |
| tadzik | Yes | 11:15 |
| minimec | tadzik: I got it working. Maybe restart the lipstick service after your transactions or reboot the phone. I copied the grassroot folder to /usr/share/ambience and 'ambinece-grassroot_eng_en.qm' to /usr/share/translations. See the rpm file I linked here. | 11:15 |
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| tadzik | Oh, I always imagined it on bottom :) | 11:16 |
| tadzik | minimec: oh, I see | 11:16 |
| tadzik | Sounds promising, I'll try that later on | 11:16 |
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| entil | argh I had something more for tjc but I forgot :D | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | maybe it isn't that important :P consult with pillow | 11:23 |
| entil | hehe | 11:23 |
| entil | oh yeah, the horizontal keybaord layout | 11:24 |
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| ggabriel | what happened to it? It isn't split by default I read | 11:26 |
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| ggabriel | but you should be able to change that | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | or get a tohkbd | 11:26 |
| ggabriel | for which you need a time machine | 11:26 |
| entil | I got a tohkbd but I haven't got the drivers yet that do scandinavian characters | 11:27 |
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| Lieke | there's a setting for split vkbd | 11:43 |
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| entil | it was pointed out to me | 11:51 |
| entil | I can't remember it being a setting way back | 11:52 |
| entil | closed the question already as well | 11:52 |
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| rubdos | Hey Jolla! Congrats with 1.1.9. It's awesome! | 12:58 |
| Lieke | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/09/pokemon-go-will-finally-let-you-catch-pokemon-in-real-life/ | 13:00 |
| Lieke | oh, didn't want to paste that here | 13:00 |
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| rubdos | Lieke, thanks. Now Pokémon stole my business concept? (didn't read yet) | 13:04 |
| rubdos | Oh, no, they didn't. Thanks for sharing! | 13:04 |
| Lieke | haha, np | 13:04 |
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| dirkvl | http://igg.me/at/jollatabletcasing/x/9179131 | 13:56 |
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| Tomin | "fancy"? I think you mean funky. :D | 13:58 |
| sjtoik | device, which needs extra casing, is not strong enough to my taste | 13:59 |
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| Lipevakala | Like carbon... | 14:09 |
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| Lipevakala | Maybe possibe to install my custom | 14:14 |
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| Lipevakala | jack.... | 14:16 |
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| inte | is display sneak peak not working anymore in the new release? | 14:48 |
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| coderus | inte: working as always | 14:51 |
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| inte | mh | 14:56 |
| inte | do i have to activate it? | 14:56 |
| inte | ah | 14:56 |
| inte | no | 14:56 |
| inte | its working :) | 14:56 |
| inte | maybe it was too light when i checked for the first time | 14:57 |
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| ggabriel | has anybody made a little video with the 1.1.9 EA on the jolla? | 15:33 |
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| TMavica | whats the changelog of map update? | 15:36 |
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| tadzik | Empty, as always :P | 15:47 |
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| ilpianista | TMavica, I suppose it fixes https://together.jolla.com/question/107860/maps-missing-from-jolla-store-does-not-update-with-119/ | 15:52 |
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| xfade_ | TMavica: rpm -q --changelog sailfish-maps ;) | 15:55 |
| TMavica | thanks | 15:55 |
| xfade_ | All changelogs are always available in the rpms | 15:55 |
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| Lieke | i just wish you could see them in the store, like with every non-jolla app.. | 15:59 |
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| tadzik | Yeah | 16:14 |
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| tadzik | Haha, I thoughy there's a new oom handling in 2.0, but that's just Terminal being confused when you ^D in it :D | 16:16 |
| tadzik | I thought “sweet, oom.now keeps app cover up and restarts it when you click it!” | 16:17 |
| ggabriel | 1.1.9=2.0 will become very confusing for the layman | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | (on a branched thought) | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: it makes people pay attention :p | 16:18 |
| ggabriel | just do like apple and add an "s" in the end | 16:19 |
| ggabriel | that changes everything | 16:19 |
| taknil | „The next OS upgrade will include further improvements to the Sailfish OS user experience, and it will complete the transition to Sailfish OS 2.0. At that point the software version numbering will also jump to 2.0.“ https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-os-2-0-now-available-early-access-users/ | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | yes, I read that | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | and I understand that | 16:20 |
| taknil | so there will be one more version before really being 2.0 | 16:20 |
| taknil | now it’s „just the 2.0 user experience" | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | 2.0 should have even more changes to the UI, albeit minimal in comparison | 16:21 |
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| inte | So, after most of us playing with the new release since yesterday, I have a question: | 16:27 |
| inte | do you all prefer the notification center now being shifted aside? | 16:27 |
| inte | I still felt it more natural to use vertical scrolling and nothing else | 16:27 |
| Lieke | i'm pretty neutral on that | 16:28 |
| inte | well im not really complaining | 16:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah dont really care tbh | 16:28 |
| newin | hey all... | 16:28 |
| inte | only wondering how people think about | 16:28 |
| inte | still confusing me pretty often | 16:28 |
| coderus | software version 2.0, really? not 1.2.0.x? | 16:28 |
| inte | ? | 16:29 |
| inte | coderus: the current prerelease | 16:29 |
| inte | is it 1.1.9.28 or sth? | 16:29 |
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| newin | is there a few guy like me who don't like the new lock system ? (where you need to swipe from the top then tap) | 16:29 |
| inte | newin: +1 | 16:29 |
| tadzik | There's a patch for that, thankfully | 16:29 |
| inte | there is a patch in openrepos to | 16:30 |
| inte | yeah | 16:30 |
| inte | but that doesnt appear to work for me | 16:30 |
| inte | the path | 16:30 |
| inte | tadzik: does it work for you? | 16:30 |
| tadzik | Unfortunately the “upcoming events.in calendar cover” one is broken | 16:30 |
| tadzik | inte: yes | 16:30 |
| inte | i only wonder how to change ambience after applying the patch | 16:30 |
| inte | tadzik: what does this patch do? | 16:30 |
| tadzik | Event center claims that it shows "upcoming" events, but only from current day | 16:31 |
| inte | oh | 16:31 |
| inte | is it normal that it is possible to change ambience even when the device is locked, or is that a bug? | 16:31 |
| tadzik | inte: if you scroll no further than a configurable treshold (50% by default) it locks | 16:31 |
| newin | and I do not understand why jolla do not use edges for events ... because of this the awesome swipe in the app preview (which was cool because I did not have to aim for the button, just swipe) disappear | 16:31 |
| inte | newin: what awesome swipe? | 16:32 |
| inte | what preview? | 16:32 |
| newin | in the home screen you can do things like change your music without opening the app | 16:32 |
| newin | it still exist but it's a button | 16:33 |
| r0kk3rz | you mean cover actions | 16:33 |
| tadzik | Yeah, that was way nicer than pressing buttons | 16:33 |
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| newin | I really liked cover action because i did not have to aim any button (the big advantage of swipe...) | 16:33 |
| tadzik | I even preffered those cover actions to staying inside the app and pressing buttons | 16:33 |
| inte | wtf! | 16:35 |
| inte | the removed the cover actions??? | 16:35 |
| inte | WHY? | 16:35 |
| tadzik | They did.not | 16:35 |
| tadzik | But they're buttons.now | 16:35 |
| inte | .oO(now I understand why Marc Dillon left SCNR) | 16:35 |
| inte | tadzik: well that sucks | 16:35 |
| inte | its really confusing | 16:35 |
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| inte | how stupid ist hat | 16:36 |
| inte | taht | 16:36 |
| inte | THAT | 16:36 |
| inte | now you really have to aim for the tiny tiny button instead of moving the entire app tile | 16:37 |
| inte | ok, it might allow more than only two actions but its still somewhat stupid | 16:37 |
| inte | furthermore, if you dont aim directly you will open the app | 16:37 |
| inte | that change shoudl really be reverted IMHO | 16:38 |
| inte | is there a petition for that already? | 16:38 |
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| newin | inte: i don't know but I want to sign for it | 16:38 |
| inte | i could set one up on tjc if there is none | 16:39 |
| r0kk3rz | hah, dont worry theres several | 16:39 |
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| inte | but maybe i just didnt get the idea behind removing the cover actions | 16:39 |
| haBuu | "Active cover actions are now tappable. Swipe gestures are now reserved for view navigation in the homescreen" | 16:40 |
| newin | in addition not using edge for switching between event in home, feel somewhat inconsitent with the swipe to return in home from app for me | 16:40 |
| haBuu | thats the official reason | 16:40 |
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| inte | ha | 16:41 |
| inte | ok | 16:41 |
| haBuu | you can now swipe over a cover button and it will take you to events | 16:41 |
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| haBuu | so thats why they were removed | 16:42 |
| inte | since the events screen is now in horizontal directions | 16:42 |
| inte | well, I was complaining about that it in the first place | 16:42 |
| haBuu | whether its a good thing is a different question | 16:42 |
| inte | just bring back the former order and everything is fine :-) | 16:42 |
| haBuu | but the reason is still valid | 16:42 |
| inte | hopefully someone will make a patch for it | 16:42 |
| haBuu | i think there already is | 16:43 |
| newin | (btw I complain but the rest is really awesome) | 16:43 |
| inte | i understand the reason but i absolutely see now reason in putting the events screen aside now | 16:43 |
| inte | yeah i like it too | 16:43 |
| inte | nice design | 16:43 |
| inte | but the cover action thing | 16:43 |
| inte | and the horizontal position of eventsview is somewhat unneccessary | 16:44 |
| inte | i want jolla to change that two things back | 16:44 |
| haBuu | there is patch called PullDown Covers | 16:44 |
| haBuu | check that out | 16:45 |
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| coderus | what if eventsview will be on bottom and app launcher will be in horizontal? :D | 16:45 |
| haBuu | i like the new events view and app grid | 16:46 |
| haBuu | i would rather have apps in the bottom | 16:46 |
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| inte | i simply dont see the point in NOT having eventsview on top and apps at the bottom, as it was before | 16:57 |
| inte | especially as this unneccessary change implies the loss of cover actions | 16:58 |
| inte | i mean, why dont put it as a setting. if people prefer that, they may use it, other can keep the old-fashin style and enjoy true cover actions | 16:58 |
| inte | can somebody explain why the change was made in the first place? | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | i believe that more gesture control is coming | 16:59 |
| inte | i understand coveractions cant work as before with the new events view | 16:59 |
| haBuu | https://blog.jolla.com/sailfish-os-2-0-now-available-early-access-users/ | 16:59 |
| haBuu | read the blog | 16:59 |
| inte | but why the new events view at all? | 16:59 |
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| inte | ok | 16:59 |
| inte | mh | 16:59 |
| inte | reading | 16:59 |
| r0kk3rz | i like the new events view | 16:59 |
| Laxtlo | I like it too | 17:00 |
| haBuu | +1 | 17:00 |
| inte | i dont mind if its aside or on top | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | needs a bit more improvement, which will come | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | more widgety things and such | 17:00 |
| inte | what i dont like is that it implies the loss of coveractions | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | but overall its cool | 17:00 |
| inte | which results that id prefer it on top :) | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah loss of cover actions sucks | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | but lockscreen controls are currently making up for it | 17:00 |
| r0kk3rz | so i dont miss it too much | 17:01 |
| inte | are there lockscreen controls? | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | for media players anyway | 17:01 |
| r0kk3rz | which was the only thing i would use cover actions for anyway | 17:01 |
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| jaacoppi | r0kk3rz: same here | 17:02 |
| haBuu | media player lock screen buttons are suberb | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | you can even swipe on them | 17:02 |
| r0kk3rz | for swipy goodness | 17:03 |
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| jaacoppi | just waiting for an api so I can choose which app is in lock screen | 17:03 |
| r0kk3rz | mmm yes that could be an issue | 17:03 |
| inte | i dont have lockscreen controls yet | 17:03 |
| r0kk3rz | with multiple mpris players open | 17:03 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: you need to have mpris enabled app open | 17:04 |
| inte | mpris? | 17:04 |
| inte | what is mpris? | 17:04 |
| jaacoppi | I want gpodder there | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | so, jolla-media, cutespot, quasarmx, sirensong | 17:04 |
| inte | i only have gcompris | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not the same | 17:04 |
| inte | tried it with jolla media | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | mprisv2 is the interface that the lockscreen controls work with | 17:04 |
| inte | currently trying cute spot | 17:04 |
| r0kk3rz | dbus interfaec | 17:05 |
| inte | so where would i find the controls? | 17:05 |
| r0kk3rz | on the lock screen | 17:05 |
| inte | i have cutespot and media open | 17:05 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. lock your phone | 17:05 |
| inte | ah | 17:05 |
| inte | now they are there | 17:05 |
| inte | i had to swipe the lockscreen down | 17:06 |
| inte | and up | 17:06 |
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| inte | and then they appeard | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | down? | 17:06 |
| inte | and now they disappeared | 17:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | up? | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | lockscreen goes side to side | 17:06 |
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| inte | ah cutespot just crashed | 17:07 |
| inte | ok have it on the lockscreen | 17:08 |
| inte | but thats nothing new | 17:08 |
| inte | and apparently only working for one app | 17:08 |
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| inte | i configured it for cutespot once which is of cource nice | 17:08 |
| r0kk3rz | it is new, for those who werent using coderus's patch | 17:08 |
| r0kk3rz | now patch is not needed | 17:09 |
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| inte | ah ok | 17:09 |
| inte | but still, doesnt work for the jolla media player for me | 17:09 |
| inte | anyways | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | weird | 17:09 |
| inte | i now happen to understand why eventsview was shifted aside | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure jolla tested it with their own player | 17:09 |
| r0kk3rz | works fine for me | 17:09 |
| inte | its called caroussel now | 17:10 |
| inte | which again implies that there are more views to come | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | inte: yeah like partner screen | 17:10 |
| inte | only two views is not really a caroussel i'd say :-) | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | and its basically the same as both android and ios | 17:10 |
| inte | so hopefully jolla will eventually find some partners | 17:10 |
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| inte | they could ask amazon after amazon just stopped the amazon | 17:11 |
| kid | It has a N9-feel over it now :) | 17:11 |
| kid | with the carousessel | 17:11 |
| inte | well, amazon will probably not really like selling stuff without DRM but thats probably their only choice then ;) | 17:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah its interesting really | 17:12 |
| r0kk3rz | amazon basically just failed at trying jollas new strategy | 17:12 |
| r0kk3rz | which is mobile integrated with content provider | 17:12 |
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| inte | i still think there must be a way to keep up the olf-fashioned cover actions but still have a caroussel? | 17:18 |
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| inte | why not put the eventsscreen on top and make the caroussel there? | 17:18 |
| inte | why does it have to be at the same level? | 17:18 |
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| Tofe | So... When can we get a Funky Pencil ? I simply hope the price tag won't be too low. | 19:32 |
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| Nokius | anyone knows hat size the harbour banner has to be ? | 19:36 |
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| Nicd- | it says it in harbour... | 19:37 |
| Nokius | Nicd-: :P sure I shut wanted to fix one which bit ugly I have no harbour account | 19:38 |
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| Nokius | .cache will have it | 19:38 |
| Nokius | :D | 19:38 |
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| Nokius | :-/ | 19:39 |
| Nokius | nope | 19:39 |
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| kimmoli | Cover image | 19:44 |
| kimmoli | Cover image for your Store page. (540x270px, png or jpg) | 19:44 |
| Tofe | Nokius: You could put in place a proxy on the Jolla, with a MITM certificate, try to sniff out the image, and fix it on the fly. But somehow, I think it may be a bit too much. | 19:45 |
| kimmoli | Nokius: that? | 19:45 |
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| Nokius | oh sure find5 is not using store so it is empty I should check the Jolla Phone | 19:45 |
| Nokius | sorry | 19:46 |
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| Nokius | thaks | 19:46 |
| Nokius | Tofe: :) sure thats also a way | 19:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | Nokius: its not on the harbour faq | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | ? | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | oh, kimmo got you sorted | 19:52 |
| Nokius | r0kk3rz: did found it | 19:52 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: life saver :D | 19:52 |
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| pdanek | Is Jolla company still growing? | 19:55 |
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| Stskeeps | depends, some of us are loosing weight | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | haha | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | from what i hear headcount is still growing | 20:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | maybe a little thinning of ranks in the device dept though | 20:01 |
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| pdanek | Did anyone try to run PAC-MAN256 on Jolla? | 20:12 |
| pdanek | It always shuts down on startup. | 20:12 |
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