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| Miskii | jarkko: Mine did that once or twice as well, enabling flight mode for a minute or two helped (while restarting network connections didn't) | 05:04 |
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| jarkko | Miskii: thanks. It's super annoying to find out later that people have tried to call me several times but never got through, while I've had my phone turned on all the time... | 05:27 |
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| Stskeeps | jarkko: logcat -b radio would probably be useful in those circumstances | 05:31 |
| pp_ | heh, interesting failure mode today, called someone, got busy signal, they called back, and I think I got calls in both directions (one on hold) as a result | 05:38 |
| Stskeeps | pp_: should be able to manage those from ui | 05:38 |
| pp_ | wasn't really responsive (and after all that put phone in pocket and got pocket call to another person :P ) | 05:39 |
| jarkko | Stskeeps: thanks, I'll give that a try also next time. | 05:40 |
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| Stskeeps | jarkko: /system/bin/logcat -b radio to be specific, should give it away | 05:46 |
| Stskeeps | jarkko: 4G and csfb is a common buggy thing in networks too though | 05:47 |
| Stskeeps | as they fallback to 2g/3g to receive phonecalls | 05:47 |
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| pdanek | http://www.gsmdome.com/nokia-c1-android-phone-gets-photographed-in-china-intel-atom-cpu-and-5-inch-fhd-display-are-part-of-the-specs | 05:50 |
| Stskeeps | looks like any other android phone, with a nokia logo? | 05:50 |
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| Stskeeps | boring | 05:50 |
| Nicd- | Stskeeps: so does every android phone ever? | 05:51 |
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| kimmoli | black eh grey slab with android | 05:55 |
| pdanek | clean design, I have nothing against | 05:55 |
| pdanek | if it ships with Sailfish, I would jump for it | 05:55 |
| pdanek | looks nicer than Jolla | 05:56 |
| Tegu | too large for me | 05:56 |
| Tegu | probably | 05:56 |
| pp_ | Atom \:D/ (maybe they're finally ok) | 05:59 |
| pp_ | things may have went quite differently had intel delivered chips for meego phones :P (or nokia sticking with arm and maemo :-) ) | 05:59 |
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| kimmoli | Intel should rebrand atom if /when they get it working | 06:04 |
| tadzik | . o O ( Neutron ) | 06:05 |
| kimmoli | atom synonym is crap | 06:06 |
| Nicd- | reminds me if Jimmy Neutron Happy Family Happy Hour | 06:07 |
| tadzik | FAT-fs (mmcblk1p1): error, invalid access to FAT (entry 0x080e2013) | 06:10 |
| tadzik | this has been happening to my SD every now and then. Should I start looking for a new one already? | 06:10 |
| tadzik | (it then gets remounted as ro) | 06:10 |
| kid | Neutron makes me think of OpenStack | 06:11 |
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| inte | did anybody receive a notification for confirmation of the tablet order already? | 07:33 |
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| kimmoli | ännu inte | 07:44 |
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| kid | nei, ikke ennå (no, not yet) | 07:48 |
| * kid inspired by kimmoli :) | 07:48 | |
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| Tofe | kid: suomska? | 07:51 |
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| Ezko_ | nordish? | 07:54 |
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| Ezko_ | do norwegians have å? | 07:55 |
| Nicd- | what languages are suomska and nordish? :P | 07:55 |
| kimmoli | jätte kiva de | 07:55 |
| kimmoli | Finn'ish | 07:55 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Finnish him ! | 07:55 |
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| kid | Tofe: Norwegian | 07:57 |
| kid | Ezko_: yes, we have æÆ, øØ and åÅ | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | We've got the ÆØÅ, you ain't got the ÆØÅ~ | 07:58 |
| Ezko_ | kid: ok | 07:59 |
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| ggabriel | maybe I should adjust my tablet countdown towards end of september | 11:34 |
| Sail0r | next year :D | 11:38 |
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| ggabriel | off topic but fun to read: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582 | 11:39 |
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| locusf | :D | 11:40 |
| ggabriel | i wish i could react like that sometimes | 11:41 |
| locusf | woow 2007 | 11:43 |
| anYc | have theo and linus ever meet each other? ^^ | 11:43 |
| anYc | met | 11:43 |
| ggabriel | in person? | 11:43 |
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| anYc | for example, I think it would be interesting | 11:45 |
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| ggabriel | i'm sure they're both nice guys but they outstand due to their eccentric comebacks | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | or rather, their eccentric comebacks stand out more than what is the norm | 11:46 |
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| ggabriel | https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=119318909016582 | 11:58 |
| ggabriel | oops sorry | 11:58 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 12:02 |
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| inte | why are some people already on 1.1.9.28 and i am not? | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | inte: people are manually upgrading to unreleased releases | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | their choice | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | not always a good idea | 12:44 |
| Acce | because you're not living on the edge? | 12:44 |
| inte | hehe | 12:45 |
| inte | im at least in this preaccess group but didnt receive a notification yet | 12:45 |
| Acce | I am tempted to do the manual upgrade too, but I'm resisting it | 12:46 |
| the_mgt | is it with this "get access to developer releases" option? | 12:46 |
| TemeV | I wouldn't do manual upgrade on my main phone | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | the_mgt: no | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | wait for it to make it to early access | 12:47 |
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| the_mgt | is it kind of an alpha for the 2.0 release? | 12:54 |
| mcfrisk | btw, how is the Jolla SW update technically implemented? A new set of RPM repositories and a 'dist-upgrade'? binary diffs of full rootfs? I guess the Jolla store update is somehow separate since these things live outside of RPM package control, maybe in users home or something. | 12:54 |
| Stskeeps | mcfrisk: dist-upgrade + installation of a pattern from what i grok | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | and shift of repo urls | 12:55 |
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| mcfrisk | hmm, did N9/Maemo have same approach but with apt? | 13:02 |
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| Stskeeps | not really | 13:04 |
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| coderus | mcfrisk: ssu for upgrade repos management | 13:30 |
| coderus | N9 had metapackage for upgrade purpose | 13:31 |
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| taaem | the struggle is too hard!! why isn't there any news about a new Sailfish device? | 15:00 |
| Stskeeps | there's, the intex one? | 15:00 |
| * tbr would prefer a shipping notice for his tablet | 15:02 | |
| tbr | aka: the last Jolla device | 15:02 |
| Lieke | yeah me too | 15:04 |
| Acce | tablets, tablets for everyone! | 15:04 |
| taaem | Stskeeps: only in India no? and the hardware seems to be not so good | 15:04 |
| taaem | who needs a tablet :D | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: +1 | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | taaem: nothing has been said about the hw | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | afaik | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/55_SAILFISH_INDIA_PRESS_RELEASE_JULY2015_FINAL.PDF | 15:05 |
| * Stskeeps goes afk | 15:06 | |
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| tadzik | oh, news | 15:07 |
| tadzik | wait, old news >:( | 15:07 |
| tadzik | riot! (╯‵Д′)╯彡┻━┻ | 15:07 |
| Yaniel | no ea update yet :( | 15:08 |
| Acce | nothing happening these days :( | 15:09 |
| tadzik | you can go full rebel and manually update to 1.1.9 | 15:09 |
| dirkvl | omg you´re such a rebel | 15:09 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Acce: not true | 15:10 |
| tadzik | I'm not | 15:10 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I see git commits | 15:10 |
| tadzik | but some are | 15:10 |
| tadzik | I'd be a rebel but my mom won't let me | 15:10 |
| Acce | SfietKonstantinW: in nemo mobile? the browser? | 15:12 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Acce: yep | 15:18 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Hi! | 15:33 |
| zebbiz_pi | Remember me from yesterday? | 15:33 |
| zebbiz_pi | I wanted to buy a new Jolla | 15:33 |
| zebbiz_pi | Buut someone said it was out of stock | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | it is in stock now | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | go buy! | 15:34 |
| zebbiz_pi | Yeah :D | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | quick! | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | don't waste keystrokes here | 15:34 |
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| kjetilho | zebbiz_pi: nice! good news | 15:37 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Hmm... Jolla for 250 or Z5 Compact for 615? | 15:42 |
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| ggabriel | jolla for 250 ofc | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | the other one runs android :P | 15:42 |
| zebbiz_pi | :P | 15:43 |
| gexc_ | jolla users in US: do you carry a mobile hotspot? | 15:44 |
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| inte | anybody followed the news about fcc is gonna regulate 5ghz wifi devices in terms that the firmware needs to be DRMed to make it impossible to modify it | 16:22 |
| inte | step against Open/DDWRT in the first place | 16:23 |
| inte | I only wonder if that regulation would also affect the Jolla tablet sales in the US | 16:23 |
| taaem | waiting for new salfish phone or one plus 2 | 16:23 |
| inte | well, given the tablet support 5ghz what im not sure about | 16:24 |
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| inte | the tablet SUPPORTS 5ghz | 16:28 |
| inte | so, the FCC regulation will start later this year | 16:28 |
| inte | and it includes open devices are not allowed to be sold longer than 9month after the rule was applied | 16:28 |
| inte | that implies the tablet wont be on sale for longer than a year in the US, right? | 16:29 |
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| inte | talking about: http://www.heise.de/downloads/18/1/5/7/9/4/3/6/GetAttachment.pdf | 16:32 |
| inte | oh | 16:33 |
| inte | will start on jun16 2016 | 16:33 |
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| inte | but still | 16:33 |
| inte | quite anoying | 16:33 |
| r0kk3rz | someone needs to be selling the tablet as an ongoing product first | 16:34 |
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| inte | r0kk3rz: yeah but those might only be sold for nine month after the fcc regulation was given but not later | 16:40 |
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| inte | means, the jolla tablet will only be on sale for 9 month after 6/16/2016 am I right? | 16:40 |
| baum | hmmm strange i did reset my phone mulitple times now (to factory settings), each time i did a reset it reseted a bit more....? | 16:41 |
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| inte | I only wonder if it will still be possible to install Linux on notebooks sold after that date or if the UEFI bootloader will be locked against unauthorized modifications | 16:41 |
| baum | now after the 5th/6th time all installed apps finally got removed | 16:42 |
| baum | inte: have a look at coreboot | 16:42 |
| Nicd- | inte: more reasons to never move to the US | 16:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | inte: they can worry about that when they get there, but it will be likely less than 9 months on sale | 16:49 |
| r0kk3rz | as im not sure the tablet is going on regular sale straight away | 16:49 |
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| taaem | Shouldn't there be news about the new Jolla Devices Company? | 17:21 |
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| ggabriel | the news is that there is a new jolla devices company :P | 17:23 |
| taaem | ggabriel: well a company without something to sell :P | 17:23 |
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| ggabriel | well, mobile devices don't just spawn out of thin air | 17:28 |
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| taaem | sad truth | 17:31 |
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| taaem | wasnt there a 32gb Jolla some time ago? | 17:51 |
| Nicd- | no | 17:51 |
| taaem | was it only 16gb? | 17:52 |
| Nicd- | there has only been a 16 GB model | 17:52 |
| taaem | okay | 17:52 |
| TemeV | tablet is 32Gb | 17:52 |
| taaem | TemeV: ahh | 17:52 |
| Nicd- | tablet is 32 or 64 | 17:52 |
| Aciid | how does one need 32Gb, when 16 GB is enough for everyone ~ Marc Dillon | 17:52 |
| Nicd- | 16 GB is not enough for btrfs :D | 17:52 |
| Aciid | yes binary trees are hard | 17:53 |
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| taaem | Stskeeps: any news about de-btrfs the jolla? | 17:54 |
| taaem | Just checking the Jolla Youtube channel, will you make new how tos for Sailfish OS .0 | 17:55 |
| taaem | 2.0* | 17:55 |
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| Smar | fwiw, I haven’t had problems with btrfs with jolla :P | 17:56 |
| Nicd- | my calendar sync is totally messed up again | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | so I guess I'll factory reset when 1.1.9 hits EA | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | will 1.1.9 have a new factory reset point or will it reset back to some age old version? | 17:57 |
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| TemeV | I'd guess they don't dare to change the snapshot | 17:59 |
| TemeV | the phone is a brick after all if that update goes wrong | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | there was going to be some investiation about how to do that | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but yeah, riskyish | 18:00 |
| Nicd- | ok | 18:00 |
| Nicd- | so might as well reset before | 18:00 |
| TemeV | at least the 9.27 didn't change the snapshot | 18:01 |
| TemeV | I made a factory reset to mine and it went to Laadunjrvi | 18:01 |
| TemeV | ...I think, now that I think of it, I'm not really sure | 18:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | surely you could do another snapshot, verify, then remove the first one | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont really know how btrfs snapshots work | 18:07 |
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| TemeV | r0kk3rz: after verify you'd have to remove the old snapshot and then rename the new one | 18:09 |
| TemeV | and if it fails in between there... | 18:09 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt be a complete brick | 18:10 |
| TemeV | yeah, it would be fixable from recovery | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | would just have a snapshot with the wrong name, and youd have to manually fangle it from the recovery console? | 18:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | wow | 18:14 |
| r0kk3rz | renaming uses mv | 18:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | looks like it would take about 3 commands to replace your recovery snapshot | 18:24 |
| r0kk3rz | might be worth doing | 18:24 |
| TemeV | r0kk3rz: 6, because there is separate snapshot of home | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right | 18:25 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe better not to worry about home though | 18:26 |
| r0kk3rz | as then it will clean userdata | 18:26 |
| TemeV | ? | 18:26 |
| TemeV | home might have outdated databases or something if you don't update that snapshot also | 18:26 |
| r0kk3rz | true | 18:27 |
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| TemeV | only sensible way to that (at home) is first do factory reset, then update to latest and then snapshot | 18:27 |
| TemeV | then after factory reset (in theory) you would be returned to that state | 18:28 |
| r0kk3rz | or you've bricked your device | 18:28 |
| TemeV | yeah | 18:28 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like fun :D | 18:28 |
| TemeV | :D | 18:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | on the safer side, you dont even have to remove the original snapshots i guess | 18:32 |
| r0kk3rz | just rename | 18:32 |
| TemeV | yeah sure, but then you're wasting space | 18:32 |
| r0kk3rz | might give an additional recovery mode if your new snapshots brick | 18:32 |
| TemeV | well, of course you can test the new snapshot and then remove the original snapshot | 18:33 |
| r0kk3rz | wonder how much space though | 18:33 |
| TemeV | some hundreds of megabytes I guess | 18:33 |
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| jsksjka | for updates i disable all patches and repos? | 18:49 |
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| coderus | remove all patches packages from warehouse | 18:51 |
| coderus | in /etc/ssu/ssu.ini change mode to 16 | 18:52 |
| coderus | upgrade | 18:52 |
| coderus | and after reboot change mode to 4 | 18:52 |
| jsksjka | what do you mean with change mode? | 18:54 |
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| jsksjka | if i disable all repos i cant enable from warehouse? | 18:55 |
| TemeV | jsksjka: are you updating via gui or terminal? | 18:56 |
| jsksjka | gui | 18:56 |
| TemeV | then just remove patches and don't worry about the rest | 18:56 |
| jsksjka | ok ty | 18:57 |
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| coderus | somebody stil updating to 1.1.7.x :| | 19:34 |
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| zebbiz_pi | damnit... | 19:53 |
| zebbiz_pi | I can't buy it atm | 19:53 |
| zebbiz_pi | No visa/mastercard and not enough money on paypal | 19:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | you know you can put your card details into paypal | 20:07 |
| r0kk3rz | even as a once off | 20:08 |
| zebbiz_pi | r0kk3rz: nope, not with my card | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | really? interesting | 20:09 |
| zebbiz_pi | I made my dad pay and I'll pay him | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | that works too | 20:09 |
| zebbiz_pi | I have a maestro | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | ah | 20:09 |
| zebbiz_pi | yeah... | 20:09 |
| zebbiz_pi | I really gotta get a Visa or Mastercard | 20:10 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah those two are basically everywhere | 20:10 |
| Yaniel | careful, your dad might end up taking the jolla end having you buy a new one ;) | 20:12 |
| zebbiz_pi | And done! :D | 20:15 |
| zebbiz_pi | Yaniel: Nah, I've payed him | 20:15 |
| zebbiz_pi | and it will be delivered to me | 20:15 |
| zebbiz_pi | I'd really like the TOH Black, but it's out of stock :/ | 20:16 |
| zebbiz_pi | > the the other half | 20:17 |
| zebbiz_pi | ... | 20:17 |
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| Yaniel | that's common | 20:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | aaand the red one | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | the aloe one they cant seem to even give away | 20:20 |
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| zebbiz_pi | The red is still in stock, but it looks too bland for my taste | 20:23 |
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| Yaniel | if the red one is the same red as the first one then it's anything but bland | 20:24 |
| r0kk3rz | bland | 20:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | but you want the black one | 20:26 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 20:27 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Bland as in not red enough, too light red, more orange than red | 20:29 |
| zebbiz_pi | Or my monitor is weird | 20:30 |
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| pdanek | Hello! | 23:33 |
| pdanek | Is there a way to become early adopter please? | 23:33 |
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| pdanek | Marc Dillon has talk tomorrow | 23:50 |
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| pdanek | 20.00 - 20.30 Marc Dillon: The face of mobile in 5-10 years | 23:50 |
| pdanek | http://www.eventbrite.com/e/hardwarehel-presents-dawn-of-the-devices-tickets-18364444548 | 23:50 |
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