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| iluminator105 | can you install sailfish os on nexus 6 | 01:50 |
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| iluminator105 | also sailfish port on moto g 2nd gen has anyone tried it | 01:54 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:50 |
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| ksj | is what's up still working for anyone? mine's refused to connect over the last few days. I can't find any news about it, and I'm not entirely sure what the relationship is between what's up and mitakuuluu. | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | it's called whatsapp | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | mitäkuuluu is an unofficial client. only the android client is official | 09:29 |
| ksj | the new, updated version of mitakuuluu was called what's up | 09:30 |
| ksj | although I'm not entierely sure if it's developed by the same guy | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | no, it was called whatsup and had nothing to do with mitäkuuluu | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | it has been discontinued after legal threats from whatsapp | 09:30 |
| Shinryuu | ^ | 09:30 |
| ksj | ok, so what's up was discontinued? as of when? I didn't see any news | 09:31 |
| ksj | that's really sad if true. it was an excellent, excellent client | 09:31 |
| ksj | way better than the official android rubbish | 09:31 |
| Shinryuu | I opened it and noticed that it wasn't working anymore | 09:31 |
| Shinryuu | I haven't read anything about it yet because I switched to Mitakuuluu3 for the time being | 09:31 |
| ksj | I didn't know there was a Mitakuuluu3. is that working? | 09:32 |
| Shinryuu | well, yeah but it's not a finished product yet | 09:32 |
| kimmoli | i heard rumors that coderus starts to make mitäkuuluu4 after he finishes current project ... | 09:33 |
| ksj | what's up was really polished. felt finished. never crashed | 09:33 |
| Shinryuu | kimmoli: oh boy | 09:33 |
| kimmoli | but rumors like jolla-mobile making watch for sailfish | 09:34 |
| Shinryuu | oh no | 09:34 |
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| flux | :-) | 09:36 |
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| zett_zelett | Without enabling Developer Mode, sshing onto my Jolla is impossible, right? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: no harm in enabling developer mode | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | practicall everybody does it | 09:38 |
| Shinryuu | yes, you need developer mode for ssh stuff | 09:38 |
| zett_zelett | But I do need a Jolla account for that? | 09:38 |
| Yaniel | but would it be theorethically possible? | 09:38 |
| Yaniel | ie. could you install fingerterm and set up sshd in recovery mode | 09:38 |
| zett_zelett | (I’m trying to find what freedoms I have with the device without registering somewhere.) | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: to grab the packages from the repository | 09:39 |
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| ksj | just tried mitakuuluu3. I hate being negative about OSS, but it feels like a huge step back. what'sup worked flawlessly. This has crashed twice and still won't connect to what'sapp network. | 09:39 |
| Shinryuu | ksj: it's not a finished product and it's missing a lot of stuff | 09:39 |
| Shinryuu | so that's more than expected to see | 09:40 |
| ksj | but what's the point in developing it if as soon as it's working the what'sapp people will kill it from their end? | 09:40 |
| Shinryuu | who knows | 09:40 |
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| zett_zelett | I get “Developer Mode requires a Jolla Account” when trying to enable it in Settings → System → Developer Mode. So I definitely need it to ssh onto my device, right? | 09:40 |
| Shinryuu | zett_zelett: try that Yaniel said | 09:41 |
| Shinryuu | what* | 09:41 |
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| minimec | ksj: Hi. There is still a working version of the inofficial native whatsapp client that is working. See here https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1480773&postcount=550 | 09:41 |
| tbr | zett_zelett: you can probably get around that by activating 3rd party packages and installing things that way. quite cumbersome and not documented at all. | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: the technical reason for it is that it needs to access the repositories, including the 3rd party hw adaptation bits, without the full view of repositories, things will not install correctly and may in fact brick the device | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | and as you know, we have to auth the 3rd party hw adaptation bits | 09:42 |
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| Stskeeps | you can indeed get around it by sideloading and enabling installation from third party sources | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | but nothing i'd recommend | 09:43 |
| * tbr concurs | 09:43 | |
| zett_zelett | Okay, I see the reasons for it, now. Thanks! | 09:44 |
| kimmoli | tbr: o/ | 09:44 |
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| zett_zelett | Trying to establish a internet connection on my Jolla via USB. Did this following these instructions https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking. | 10:37 |
| zett_zelett | Didn’t work so far. (On pain of being a pain in the ass again:) Do I need to enable developer mode for this? Can I do it without? So far, I see no way to tell my Jolla to use USB to connect to the internet. | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | ifconfig -a ? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | and developer mode enabled? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | er.. it should be in the popup | 10:38 |
| zett_zelett | Yeah, ifconfig -a doesn’t show the usb interface, for some reason. | 10:39 |
| zett_zelett | What should be in the popup? | 10:39 |
| Stskeeps | developer mode | 10:39 |
| zett_zelett | Stskeeps: Sorry – I don’t get what you mean. What popup do you mean? | 10:42 |
| tbr | the phone shows a notification when you connect it to a USB port | 10:43 |
| zett_zelett | Ah, yeah. And the developer mode should show there? Or a notification about magical internet connectivity? | 10:44 |
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| Yaniel | developer mode should be an option in the popup | 10:45 |
| Yaniel | if you have developer mode enabled | 10:45 |
| tbr | what are you trying connect to the internet? the phone via the pc and its connection or the pc via the mobile network of the phone? | 10:46 |
| zett_zelett | My phone via laptop. | 10:46 |
| tbr | that will require you to mess with the routing. | 10:47 |
| zett_zelett | Ah, ok. | 10:47 |
| tbr | and your laptop needs to have NAT/MASQUERADE enabled on the usb-network towards the jolla | 10:48 |
| zett_zelett | As described here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking? | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: i'm presuming you're still on an ancient version due to not having jolla account? | 10:48 |
| tbr | yes, that wiki page describes it in general | 10:49 |
| zett_zelett | Yes, but actually I just created a Jolla account. | 10:49 |
| zett_zelett | And am updating to upgrade 1.1.2 now (because that’s the version suggested to me.) | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | get all the way to 1.1.7 | 10:50 |
| zett_zelett | Ok. | 10:51 |
| tbr | it might take multiple rounds of upgrades | 10:52 |
| zett_zelett | So be it. By the way: Thanks for helping so much! | 10:52 |
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| ksj | minimec: thanks, I'll give it a try. I'll also have a read through that thread to find out a bit more about what's up vs mitakuuluu | 11:06 |
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| ksj | anyone know where the what's up project page is? I can't find it anywhere. an rpm in a dropbox account seems somewhat fishy | 11:17 |
| tbr | I thought the latest client got killed again? | 11:17 |
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| ksj | tbr: mine died, but minimec sent a link to the latest version, which apparently works again | 11:19 |
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| zett_zelett | By the way, is it normal that the connecting USB to the Jolla is a bit jiggly at the beginning? I mean, I can wiggle the cable a bit at the end where my Jolla is connected and doing so may break the USB connection. Will this get better? | 12:16 |
| zett_zelett | I haven’t had that with any other device as far as I can remember. | 12:17 |
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| TMavica | Nice update of dolphin keyboard in openrepos | 12:22 |
| Yaniel | zett_zelett: mine does that to this day | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | zett_zelett: usually a matter of bad cable | 12:26 |
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| tbr | if the little retention teeth are bent in, then it won't hold well. but that's a cable issue | 12:32 |
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| * tbr hasn't had any problems with the port, despite the device falling down with the cable attached repeatedly | 12:33 | |
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| Stskeeps | TMavica: you win for the weirdest theory so far | 15:03 |
| TMavica | LOL | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/107394/why-did-marc-dillon-leave/?answer=107440#post-id-107440 | 15:05 |
| TMavica | I only think that answer | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's first time anybody has compared marc to ronaldo | 15:06 |
| TMavica | because they are both star | 15:06 |
| ggabriel | at least he isn't being compared to steve jobs... | 15:06 |
| TMavica | Ronaldo is a super star and future in Manchester United, no one believe he will leave MU, but Real Madrid pay a super high transfer money for him, no one can reject | 15:08 |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: no turtleneck, that's the problem | 15:08 |
| TMavica | Stskeeps: just a simple question, not offense, if someone hire you with triple or higher salary, will you leave? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: i'm not at jolla for the money | 15:12 |
| TMavica | That the answer I like | 15:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm at jolla because 1) i feel respected 2) i like what i do 3) we still have a mission 4) i earn enough to be financially safe and pay off my mortgage and have a good life despite that | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | and of course, 5) the fantastic people i work with, many whom i've helped interview | 15:13 |
| TMavica | so you are Steven Gerrard in Liverpool | 15:14 |
| anYc | ^^ | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | so you like english football TMavica ? :) | 15:14 |
| TMavica | sure | 15:14 |
| ggabriel | you don't follow other EU countries? | 15:15 |
| TMavica | Steven Gerrard never leave Liverpool, high salary still cant let him leave | 15:15 |
| TMavica | follow | 15:15 |
| TMavica | like Pirlo in Juventus | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: not to mention a scandinavian pay living in poland is really nice | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:15 |
| TMavica | never leave too | 15:16 |
| TMavica | Many football club give them a high salary, they still not leaving. | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: for now ;) | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | sooo how's 1.1.9? still to be expected today? | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | Yaniel: now, we'd be accused of publishing that in order to quell the rumours about marc | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:21 |
| TMavica | Stskeeps: when come dinner with me | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: i don't know where i am two weeks from now :) | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | but next time i'm in HK, probably | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | provided it's not super busy | 15:21 |
| TMavica | when u arrived, tell me. I missed you. LOL | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | sure, would be good to meet you and amanda again | 15:22 |
| Yaniel | haha | 15:23 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | TMavica, Pirlo leaved | 15:27 |
| TMavica | i know, but he feel old himself, so he choose to leave | 15:29 |
| TMavica | like Steven Gerrard | 15:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Juventus sucks thats all | 15:29 |
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| * Stskeeps doesn't know anything about soccer. | 15:30 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/124650273863/when-your-sunday-oncall-outage-turns-into-their | 15:30 |
| Sidde | are you people talking about sports? | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: lol | 15:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | me in 30 minutes | 15:30 |
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| Sidde | sports are as relevant to the real world as the cheese i have in my fridge ;) | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | but having cheese in your fridge is pretty relevant | 15:31 |
| Sidde | to me yes, but probably not to anyone else | 15:32 |
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| TMavica | Just use soccer player as a example | 15:32 |
| Sidde | and it's called footboll... | 15:32 |
| Sidde | ;) | 15:32 |
| TMavica | afraid Stskeeps ban me, so no more soccer off topic. LOL | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | i'm way too tired for banning | 15:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:32 |
| TMavica | this topic is over | 15:33 |
| Sidde | but socker is very important when brewing moonshine | 15:33 |
| Yaniel | haha | 15:34 |
| Sidde | and here in norrland moonshine is very important ;) | 15:35 |
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| wysiwtf | moonshine | 15:36 |
| wysiwtf | wasnt that the stuff that makes you go "aaargh my eyes!!!"? | 15:36 |
| Sidde | only if it's made like shit | 15:37 |
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| Sidde | wysiwtf: normally you don't make methanol and drink it | 15:37 |
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| ggabriel | technically you don't make methanol, dinosaours did that :P | 15:38 |
| Sidde | :P | 15:38 |
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| Sidde | ggabriel: you get methanol from trees, or pulp | 15:39 |
| Sidde | or you can get it from there | 15:39 |
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| Sidde | you can get it from elsewhere too | 15:40 |
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| ggabriel | Sidde: interesting | 15:41 |
| Sidde | now time to get somehting to eat, bye | 15:41 |
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| ggabriel | sooo, the jolla is out of stock | 16:40 |
| r0kk3rz | wooo | 16:40 |
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| grzywacz | Does it mean my phone is now getting more expensive with age? ;-) | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | the phone is quite unique | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | so probably | 16:44 |
| r0kk3rz | well, we dont really want another repeat of the n9 situation | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | mine def needs a new screen | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | or i'll need a new phone eventually | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | the jolla has a keybaord | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | no other has that | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | so there you go, it's unique | 16:45 |
| r0kk3rz | well the keyboards are unique anyway | 16:45 |
| r0kk3rz | that much is certain | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | which only works with a jolla | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | makes the jolla unique | 16:45 |
| r0kk3rz | for now | 16:46 |
| ggabriel | hopefully there'll be an alternative to that combination | 16:46 |
| r0kk3rz | which was my point | 16:46 |
| r0kk3rz | dont really want to have to choose between getting a new phone, and the operating system i like | 16:47 |
| r0kk3rz | which ended up being the situation with the n9 | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | well, you always want a combination of things | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | when you know what you want | 16:47 |
| ggabriel | as opposed to wanting a blue phone :P | 16:48 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but it also helps if someone is manufacturing and selling the combination you want | 16:48 |
| ggabriel | yup | 16:48 |
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| zebbiz_pi | Hi | 17:30 |
| zebbiz_pi | I'm considering buying the Jolla phone | 17:30 |
| fennekki | oh | 17:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | hi :) | 17:30 |
| zebbiz_pi | But what's keeping me back (besides the hardware) is the community | 17:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ah ? | 17:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | Is it active? | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | what's wrong with the community ? | 17:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | Are there apps being made for sailfish? | 17:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | SfietKonstantinW: I don't know | 17:31 |
| zebbiz_pi | that's what I'm asking | 17:31 |
| fennekki | Well- depends on what you mean by "active" I guess | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | zebbiz_pi: there are some, not killer apps for sure | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | like whatsapp facebook don't have interest on this platform yet | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but you have quite nice apps being made | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | + some hacks etc | 17:31 |
| Yaniel | zebbiz_pi: it's one of the better communities I have encountered | 17:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | zebbiz_pi: if you want to see what the community has already made, check TOHKBD | 17:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | It is a pretty good example | 17:32 |
| zebbiz_pi | TOHKBD? | 17:32 |
| Yaniel | keyboard other half | 17:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | zebbiz_pi: it is a hardware keyboard for the Jolla that was kickstarted | 17:33 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | you can also check what there is on openrepos | 17:33 |
| zebbiz_pi | Cool | 17:33 |
| zebbiz_pi | Not something that I'd buy, but cool! | 17:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | there is like a Tor browser like | 17:33 |
| SfietKonstantinW | some experiments based on webservers | 17:33 |
| zebbiz_pi | Some important apps (for me) that I really want: IRC client, file explorer, ssh client, something to connect to mega/dropbox/other with and some other stuff that I can't think of atm | 17:36 |
| zebbiz_pi | How is the browser, btw? | 17:36 |
| zebbiz_pi | That's something I use a lot | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | all of those exist | 17:37 |
| zebbiz_pi | Yaniel: sweet | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | browser... well, it has been fine for my use | 17:37 |
| Yaniel | and there is are at least two native alternatives | 17:37 |
| Nicd- | the browser is an awful memory hog though | 17:40 |
| zebbiz_pi | Is it smooth otherwise? | 17:40 |
| Nicd- | the browser? no | 17:40 |
| zebbiz_pi | Can it handle a few apps active at the same time? | 17:40 |
| Nicd- | depends on the apps but usually yes | 17:41 |
| Yaniel | depends on the apps | 17:41 |
| SfietKonstantinW | zebbiz_pi: note: I run min 6 apps at the same time | 17:41 |
| SfietKonstantinW | can get up to 12 | 17:41 |
| coderus | zebbiz_pi: irssi, mc, ssh, megatools/davfs/dropbox pc daemon should work also imho | 17:42 |
| kjetilho | zebbiz_pi: are you buying a used Jolla? | 17:43 |
| zebbiz_pi | kjetilho: No, I was planning on buying new | 17:44 |
| zebbiz_pi | It's a good enough price to buy new | 17:44 |
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| kjetilho | it's out of stock, I'm afraid | 17:44 |
| zebbiz_pi | :( | 17:45 |
| kjetilho | and my guess is that Jolla won't be making more, they are making the Tablet and then it's the end of doing the hardware themselves | 17:45 |
| zebbiz_pi | Oh, fuck | 17:46 |
| zebbiz_pi | I didn't see the "out of stock" when I look a few days ago | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | kjetilho: well, nobody does hw on their own anymore | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's always done through ODMs | 17:47 |
| kjetilho | obviously. but Jolla won't even be doing that | 17:47 |
| kjetilho | if I understand correctly | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | the sailfish developing company won't, no | 17:47 |
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| tigeli | Stskeeps: never say never ;) | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | tigeli: didn't symbian foundation try their hand at hw too at some point? | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | if i recall correctly | 17:48 |
| tigeli | could be.. can't remember or is it that I don't want to remember :D | 17:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | i hope the devices company picks up the tablet and sells it on-going | 18:06 |
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| jarkko | any ideas why my Jolla occasionally loses all connections (cellular & wlan), and Settings -> System -> Utilities -> Restart network connections does not help? Booting the phone does. | 19:01 |
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| coderus | tired to work | 19:09 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: then play | 19:13 |
| coderus | tired to play :D | 19:14 |
| coderus | will go watch series | 19:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | teeeeveeeee | 19:19 |
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| baum | uhm, i'm trying to reset the phone via the gui settings, the phone restarts, but the reset didn't happen? | 23:46 |
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