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| Nicd- | baum: Neo900 is vaporware currently and they have a black box modem too | 04:05 |
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| anYc | and also say that you don't have a choice in that regard - at least if you want something more recent than GSM only (http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/) | 07:23 |
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| AL13N_work | tricky question... is there a browser with flash enabled on Jolla? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | no | 12:35 |
| AL13N_work | a browser in android? | 12:35 |
| AL13N_work | my daughter has started in a new class and they are telling the kids to go to the site of the class and do some flash-based crap | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | we were planning on daughter using the jolla tablet... | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | ew | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | myeah | 12:36 |
| AL13N_work | i know | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appsverse.photon&hl=en .. maybe? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | or dolphin browser | 12:37 |
| tbr | chrome on android | 12:37 |
| AL13N_work | but i guess since chrome has stopped flash | 12:37 |
| AL13N_work | it may possibly still work on android? | 12:37 |
| AL13N_work | anyone tried chrome browser yet? | 12:38 |
| tbr | they haven't killed it yet, AFAIU | 12:38 |
| AL13N_work | k | 12:38 |
| AL13N_work | man, this flash business sucks ass | 12:38 |
| tbr | I sometimes used chrome on my android tv thing, because the native ustream app just sucked balls | 12:38 |
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| AL13N_work | at work, i need it for vmware and something else, i've forgotten | 12:39 |
| tbr | luckily nowadays NASA provides again a native stream that I can feed to VLC | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | tbr: what about chrome on the jolla? does that wokr? | 12:39 |
| AL13N_work | *work? | 12:39 |
| tbr | never tried, probably | 12:40 |
| AL13N_work | k thx | 12:40 |
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| AL13N_work | hey | 12:40 |
| AL13N_work | who's taking my name | 12:40 |
| lainwir3d | lol | 12:40 |
| AL13N_work | well, if it don't work, i'll have to bite the bullet and install flash on the desktop :-( | 12:41 |
| AL13N_work | i wonder if i could contain it somehow, maybe start a chrooted browser or something | 12:41 |
| AL13N_work | oh wait... that won't work either | 12:41 |
| AL13N_work | no flash for linux anymore | 12:41 |
| AL13N_work | i'll have to install a windows vm on my desktop | 12:41 |
| * AL13N_work sighs | 12:42 | |
| Tomin | pipelight? | 12:42 |
| Tomin | (on desktop ofc) | 12:43 |
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| AL13N_work | what is pipelight | 12:44 |
| Tomin | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipelight | 12:46 |
| tbr | the linux flash still works, unless the swf uses some newfangled functionality | 12:46 |
| AL13N_work | that one version from several years ago with the thousands of security flaws? | 12:47 |
| tbr | they actually still patch it | 12:47 |
| AL13N_work | ok, fine | 12:47 |
| AL13N_work | but it still has security flaws | 12:47 |
| AL13N_work | but, ok, i'll have to go that route, i guess | 12:47 |
| tbr | flash is a security flaw. | 12:47 |
| Tomin | Chrome has a recent version of flash but it can't be used with other browsers and it is available only with Google Chrome | 12:47 |
| Tomin | bundled with, I mean | 12:47 |
| ggabriel | everything has some sort of security flaw | 12:48 |
| AL13N_work | sure | 12:48 |
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| Tomin | yeah, I don't install flash to Firefox anymore. If I need it I install Chromium and rip the bundled Flash Plugin from Chrome (which is easy on Arch Linux) | 12:49 |
| rigo | AL13N_work: I use firefox with the available flash on linux. I would not do that on a jolla phone | 12:50 |
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| ggabriel | i wouldn't say that anything that google makes is secure either :P | 12:50 |
| * rigo uses vivaldi.com | 12:50 | |
| AL13N_work | well, datamining can still be done securely | 12:50 |
| AL13N_work | :-) | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | wait, do you want to play flash on sfos? | 12:50 |
| rigo | AL13N_work: and water definitely runs uphill | 12:50 |
| AL13N_work | sfos? | 12:51 |
| Tomin | well, I use Chromium only when I need to use Flash content. Firefox is my main browser. | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | sailfish os | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | no | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | i figured maybe something android | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | at least it's sort of encapsulated | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | aliendalvik i mean | 12:51 |
| AL13N_work | i donno, i have no android on my jolla phone | 12:52 |
| AL13N_work | but i figured i was gonna enable that on the tablet | 12:52 |
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| silver_hook | ilpianista: Got a reply from Jolla Care ā¦the official solution is recovery mode :P | 13:04 |
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| aupo | coderus: I just gave up with the Win10 | 13:17 |
| aupo | Now I finally got myself a good and proper linux computer and have connected to recovery mode | 13:17 |
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| coderus | aupo: works for me :) | 13:17 |
| coderus | with driver i uploaded | 13:18 |
| aupo | Currently trying btrfs-recovery, last notice from my phone is "Root mounted with recovery options", hoping to see something more :) | 13:18 |
| aupo | Yeah, if I cannot finish this with this computer, I'll install the driver on my laptop later :) Thanks | 13:18 |
| coderus | the only hard thing is manually select driver from installed list of drivers | 13:19 |
| aupo | yeah | 13:19 |
| aupo | What's the manufacturer listed? | 13:19 |
| aupo | (For future reference) | 13:19 |
| coderus | Acer something | 13:19 |
| coderus | check i have readme in that folder | 13:19 |
| aupo | Aight, thanks | 13:19 |
| coderus | acer incorporated afaik | 13:19 |
| coderus | rndis gadget device | 13:19 |
| aupo | I wonder though, what should btrfs-recovery say if it's working normally.... | 13:23 |
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| aupo | Damn, trying to mount /dev/mmcblk0p28 freezes the shell. | 13:30 |
| aupo | Seems like my volumes are pretty much done for :/ | 13:31 |
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| merlin1991 | win even has an rndis something driver by default that works for all of those *droid* devices | 13:35 |
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| aupo | merlin1991: Yeah, that's what I tried originally but it didn't seem to function with Jolla. | 13:37 |
| merlin1991 | hm iirc it worked for me | 13:37 |
| aupo | Might've just been a bad cable though, as it really IS a bad cable. | 13:37 |
| aupo | Win10? | 13:37 |
| merlin1991 | 7 :/ | 13:37 |
| aupo | Yeah | 13:37 |
| aupo | Win10 seemed to have some trouble. | 13:38 |
| merlin1991 | ah true the driver model changed again with 10 ... | 13:38 |
| merlin1991 | so probably different driver altogether | 13:38 |
| Lieke | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-differences-old-new-hardware/ | 13:41 |
| Lieke | they just have no luck with the displays.. | 13:43 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | Lieke: or shipments | 13:44 |
| silver_hook | Em, the backups that I copied to the SD card during previous updates ā¦where should they be? | 13:44 |
| silver_hook | Because my SD card is *empty*. | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | you factory reset already? | 13:45 |
| * merlin1991 just read about carddav improvements | 13:45 | |
| merlin1991 | gotta give that another go | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | if you didn't factory reset, don't factory reset | 13:46 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Weeeell, I booted into the appropriate mode and optimistically tried to open up the shell if I can save some more data. It didnāt work (shell didnāt show up at all), so I restarted turned it off again and now tried to first copy the recovery menu to the SD and notice itās empty.. | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: okay, so, shell didn't show up on the telnet ? | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds massively weird | 13:48 |
| Stskeeps | it's literally a check lock code and /bin/sh | 13:48 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: No, telnet worked, but then *in* the Recovery Mode, if I selected ā4) Shellā it didnāt show any prompt and `ls` didnāt produce anything either. | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: O_o | 13:49 |
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| Stskeeps | lemme just check something | 13:49 |
| silver_hook | \me ā the guy who has the knack to discover seriously messed up bugs. | 13:50 |
| * silver_hook ā the guy who has the knack to discover seriously messed up bugs. | 13:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | silver_hook: that really makes no sense in my book :) | 13:52 |
| silver_hook | I get that a lot :D | 13:52 |
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| Stskeeps | silver_hook: 4 doesn't respond anything at all? screenshot? | 13:54 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: I closed that terminal already, but it did say that something in the lines of mounting root in recovery mode and that was the last line I got. | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: that wasn't shell you selected then | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | that was 5) | 13:56 |
| silver_hook | OK, letās try shell again. | 13:56 |
| silver_hook | could be. I wanted to try that next. | 13:56 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Could 5) have messed up something? | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | well, only if you're really unlucky | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | it may be your btrfs is messed up in general | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | 4) works? | 14:06 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Managed to log into 4) and copy the data to SD. But for some reason umounting the home dir seems to take forever. | 14:54 |
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| silver_hook | If I reboot my Jolla without unmounting home and SD (but after `sync`) and wtihout exiting the recovery mode, what will happen? | 15:05 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: mount -o ro,subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt ? | 15:08 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: umount /myhome just doesnāt finish and Ctrl+C doesnāt kill it. | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: dmesg | 15:19 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: On Jolla? | 15:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 15:20 |
| silver_hook | [ 2913.274621] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4329(4337),A=-001,T=343,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W01 | 15:21 |
| silver_hook | [ 3216.474621] [BAT]## SOC=100(100,100),4328(4337),A=-001,T=345,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,1,F01,R08,W01 | 15:21 |
| silver_hook | [ 3446.656859] killall(451) send signal 9 to powerkey-handle(449) | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | nothing about btrfs issues or i/o? | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | did you manage to copy /home/nemo/.vault ? | 15:22 |
| pp_ | also could dump raw filesystem image over network and mount on modern kernel? | 15:22 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: I managed to copy it as much as it let me, yes. | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say that back to care then | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:22 |
| Stskeeps | bad btrfs state | 15:23 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: https://dpaste.de/uR5n | 15:24 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Hmmm, opening a new terminal, telnetting and unmounting from there seems to have worked. | 15:25 |
| Stskeeps | it looks unhappy | 15:26 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Oddly enough, it wonāt `exit` from the shell. | 15:26 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Does anything speak against me hard-resetting it and doing a factory reset? | 15:27 |
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| pp_ | fs image could be useful for at least making kernel handle it more gracefully | 15:28 |
| pp_ | assuming anyone has time to look at it, and it's something that may be fixed in kernel 4.2 :P | 15:29 |
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| aupo | Hmm, seems like I've managed to REALLY mangle my btrfs, maybe as well as silver_hook :) | 16:02 |
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| aupo | Cannot mount 0p28, cannot btrfs restore either (just hangs) | 16:02 |
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| aupo | Currently dd'ing 0p28 to a restorefile so I can play with it later if need be | 16:04 |
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| aupo | Actually no, no, doesn't just hang, just skips snapshots of factory-@, factory-@home, @ and @home | 16:13 |
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| * Stskeeps|laptop curses faulty disks | 16:15 | |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps|laptop: Soooo, hard reset and factory reset OK? | 16:19 |
| silver_hook | I *really* hope itās not faulty HW. | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | silver_hook: try if factory reset work, i have doubts it will, it sounds like corrupted btrfs | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | needs a reflash at care or the mmcblk0p28 overwrite trick some people use (first one is care warranty, other one is a hack) | 16:20 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | bit handicapped atm since my irssi server went down :) | 16:20 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps|laptop: Itās one of those days, innit? :P | 16:22 |
| aupo | :) | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | silver_hook: yesterday a jolla1 display and nexus 5 display cracked at same day. | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | this week isn't good sof ar. | 16:24 |
| silver_hook | Ouch, I feel your pain :/ | 16:24 |
| aupo | That's a pretty good start. | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | and now the usb boot drive of my remote server went up in flames. | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | :P | 16:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps|laptop: obviously the universe is telling you to stop working and do nothing | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | r0kk3rz: i've considered that | 16:27 |
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| silver_hook | No idea why, but losing connection with the Jolla recovery mode, turns one of the two(?!) dhclients of my laptopās NetworManagement into a zombie. | 16:46 |
| silver_hook | If anyone else experiences that: a workaround that works for me is to `systemctl restart NetworkManager` as root | 16:47 |
| silver_hook | (if you havenāt received the previous message) No idea why, but losing connection with the Jolla recovery mode, turns one of the two(?!) dhclients of my laptopās NetworManagement into a zombie. | 16:47 |
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| silver_hook | Is it normal that `date` in Recovery modeās shell says itās 1.1.1970 ? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | probably | 16:51 |
| aupo | Oooooh, I wanna try that! | 16:54 |
| aupo | Still restoring .cache, that's probably useful... | 16:54 |
| silver_hook | Interesting ā¦I get a few warnings and errors and itās stuck at unmounting /mnt: https://dpaste.de/uMBg | 16:57 |
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| aupo | Ugh, @home/nemo/.thumbnails/ has a lot of small files :/ | 17:00 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps|laptop: hard-reset it at this stage and just ignore that it didnāt unmount and delete /mnt ? | 17:05 |
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| Stskeeps|laptop | silver_hook: yes | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | silver_hook: i have doubts of success, if it fails, message me | 17:07 |
| aupo | Here we gooo! restored everything restorable from 0p28, now time to go on the offensive and factory reset the phone | 17:07 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps|laptop: Well, Jolla logo, then black screen and white LED. | 17:10 |
| silver_hook | Thatās it. | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps|laptop | silver_hook: give it 3-4 mins, if it's still dead, then we take other means.. | 17:11 |
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| silver_hook | Yay! Other means imminent! :D | 17:11 |
| aupo | :D | 17:19 |
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| aupo | woop woop, I was SURE I destroyed the remnants of my Jolla by forgetting to ACTUALLY copy the new recovery-menu to the fs, opting to leave it on the sd card, but even with that I did get a working new Sailfish | 17:30 |
| Nicd- | hmmm | 17:31 |
| Nicd- | the jolla blog states that they changed the USB port for the tablet from micro-A to micro-B | 17:32 |
| Nicd- | what happened to C? | 17:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | most likely not possible | 17:33 |
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| Nicd- | funny they did not mention it at all there | 17:34 |
| Nicd- | and whoever though that micro-A was a good idea?! :P | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt A the usual standard usbotg type connector | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz | but it is a retarded design, worse than B | 17:35 |
| r0kk3rz | and B isnt great either | 17:35 |
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| Nicd- | I dunno about OTG | 17:38 |
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| coderus | aupo: recovery menu is not a recovery images | 17:58 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: OTG afaik is A+B, means one side is rectangle and other is triangle | 17:59 |
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| BirdZhang | 1.1.93 released | 18:29 |
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| Nicd- | ? | 18:33 |
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| ender| | fun: before upgrading, my battery was showing 89%, after upgrade it's now showing 90% (it's not plugged in) | 19:15 |
| sakustar | its the future | 19:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | amazing | 19:18 |
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| ender| | charging over WiFi! | 19:19 |
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| coderus | noo | 19:19 |
| coderus | device being excited of new update, battery getting warmer, and charge value increasing. | 19:19 |
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| pdanek | when do we finally get shark-half | 19:20 |
| pdanek | body-heat of shark will charge battery | 19:20 |
| pdanek | just buy fish to feed him | 19:21 |
| pdanek | and lasers... | 19:21 |
| pdanek | I'd say iPhone 8 will have that | 19:21 |
| ender| | hamster-otherhalf? | 19:21 |
| pdanek | unless we're first! | 19:21 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt that be slightly impractical | 19:21 |
| sakustar | what | 19:23 |
| sakustar | how so | 19:23 |
| sakustar | id buy 2 if they shipped with a shark! | 19:23 |
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| pdanek | if the shark has laser attached to his head, I'd buy 3 | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt it try and swim away? | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | somewhat awkward to make calls on | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | id have a shark, but maybe not attached to my phone | 19:24 |
| pdanek | it's shark half, you can always detach it of course | 19:25 |
| pdanek | for smaller shark-half | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | wheres the other half of the shark? | 19:25 |
| pdanek | well | 19:25 |
| pdanek | I'm not a phone designer | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | clearly | 19:26 |
| pdanek | :D | 19:26 |
| pdanek | I came up with idea | 19:26 |
| pdanek | for free! | 19:26 |
| pdanek | now it's up to the team to make money of it | 19:26 |
| sakustar | so its decided?! spam twitter | 19:26 |
| sakustar | #so unlike | 19:27 |
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| TemeV | shark-half... I'd buy that if it comes with a chainsaw | 20:34 |
| TemeV | just in case the sbark goes rogue | 20:35 |
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| Blizzz | after updating to 1.1.7.28 Android Support is borked. "aliendalvik.service start request repeated too quickly, refusing to start." says systemd. Known? How to fix? | 22:17 |
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| coderus | systemctl status aliendalvik says that? | 22:24 |
| coderus | check journalctl | 22:25 |
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| Blizzz | coderus: yes, exactly. in journalctl was not much more either. did balance, now restart. | 22:50 |
| Blizzz | coderus: that's the journalctl output when attempting to start telegram: https://paste.kde.org/pqswkas16 | 22:53 |
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| coderus | Hm, i can't help with details. Probably someone from Jolla can help if you post it in TJC | 22:56 |
| coderus | or you can try reinstall dalvik | 22:57 |
| coderus | delete, reboot | 22:57 |
| coderus | delete /data | 22:57 |
| coderus | check if /opt/alien have no active mounts | 22:57 |
| coderus | delete /opt/alien | 22:58 |
| coderus | and reinstall dalvik | 22:58 |
| Blizzz | ok, thank you coderus. i go first with tjc before deleting around | 23:02 |
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