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| leinir | silver_hook: Neat :) | 07:21 |
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| leinir | as for long off being useful, well... not as long as it might seem ;) | 07:21 |
| * Stskeeps should watch that talk and send a barrage of comments to leinir | 07:22 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:22 |
| leinir | Stskeeps: ;) | 07:22 |
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| aupo | Hey, I'm trying to Recovery Mode my Jolla (I managed to brick it during the new update, it seems.) | 07:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 07:34 |
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| aupo | After following the steps to start Recovery Mode on Windows 10 I end up with a driver name "null" and trying to connect to 10.42.66.66 I get "(null)" as response | 07:35 |
| aupo | So I'm probably doing something stupid here. | 07:35 |
| aupo | But I cannot seem to figure out what :/ | 07:35 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: any chance of booting up an ubuntu usb stick? | 07:37 |
| aupo | Not right now; later I can probably cook something up. | 07:38 |
| aupo | If terminal-only is fine, I can boot up an ArchLinux NetInst | 07:38 |
| aupo | Thought that is later as well. | 07:38 |
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| Stskeeps | terminal only should be fine | 07:38 |
| aupo | (Once again we learn that one should ALWAYS carry the NetInst key drive.) | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | windows 10 is a bit unknown for us :) | 07:39 |
| aupo | Aight, I'll be back later then :) | 07:39 |
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| Ransku | hi | 08:41 |
| Ransku | how to get aptoide working? just crashes | 08:42 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: check https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff570660(v=vs.85).aspx | 09:52 |
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| coderus | aupo: fixed win1 problem? | 09:58 |
| coderus | win10* | 09:58 |
| coderus | i just tried it myself and found working driver | 09:58 |
| coderus | https://coderus.openrepos.net/rndis/ | 10:04 |
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| Nicd- | "Btrfs-balance command is scheduled to run in Tuesdays 3:00am as a service. Unfortunately it does not seem to work. It did in 1.1.4.28 but not in later versions, regardless of whether the phone is in sleep state or not." | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | errrr, is this still true? | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | the requirement is being connected to a charger at that time | 10:40 |
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| Nicd- | I know that | 10:54 |
| Nicd- | but that seems to say it doesn't work at all | 10:55 |
| Sail0r | https://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-spying-on-you.html | 10:55 |
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| Yaniel | "so you don't want to upgrade to win10 because of these features? here, now they are on your current version as well" | 10:57 |
| Sail0r | :D | 10:59 |
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| * Stskeeps credits leinir for speaking in a way that can be watched at 1.84x speed | 12:25 | |
| leinir | ;) | 12:26 |
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| Lieke | but why no shoes? | 12:42 |
| ggabriel | gnd is important | 12:42 |
| leinir | Lieke: ...why shoes? they just make your feet smell :P | 12:46 |
| Lieke | i see :D | 12:46 |
| Kabouik | Guys, now that my SD card (second time in 2 months) is dead and I lost all my music and Android apps on the Jolla, is it possible to mount a Linux folder over wifi on the Jolla, so that I can play my laptop's music on the Jolla, when I'm at work but not in the office? | 12:50 |
| Kabouik | I could mount a Windows folder using FishNetMount, and smb, but no success with my Linux laptop | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | Kabouik: sshfs? | 12:52 |
| Kabouik | I tried sshfs from the Jolla but command unknown. Is there a package for it? I must have missed it | 12:53 |
| Kabouik | Oh yeah there's one | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | uhm... can't remember | 12:53 |
| Kabouik | But FishNetMount should work too | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | you're on your own when it comes to windows stuff :) at least from my side, sorry | 12:54 |
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| Kabouik | It doesn't come to Windows stuff, that's the point :) | 12:54 |
| Kabouik | It already works for my Windows PC, but can't configure it correctly for Linux. I must do something wrong, I'm sure it should work | 12:54 |
| ggabriel | maybe all you're missing is that package? | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | i don't know... i'd use the cli myself | 12:55 |
| Kabouik | I can ping my laptop but cannot ssh into it, I guess that's why sshfs fails too | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | maybe a firewall issue | 12:59 |
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| Kabouik | Ok, got it to work ggabriel :) | 13:08 |
| ggabriel | \o/ | 13:09 |
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| silver_hook | Hmmm, it’s been about 20h now and the screen is still blank and unresponsive and the LED white. | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | silver_hook: that doesn't sound good, contact caer? | 13:25 |
| Stskeeps | re | 13:25 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: ,o/ | 13:25 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: jolla.zendesk.com or e-mail? | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | jolla.zendesk.com, i don't thin e-mail is active anymore | 13:26 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Em, the “ send us a support request.” link points to nowhere. | 13:29 |
| silver_hook | See: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205822058-SailfishOS-update-1-1-7-28-Bj%C3%B6rntr%C3%A4sket | 13:29 |
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| ilpianista | silver_hook, happend to me too :-( | 13:30 |
| AL13N_work | do you guys still need the journallogs of hanged/slow update ? | 13:30 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: Did you manage to fix it? | 13:30 |
| AL13N_work | i'm planning on doing the update soon-ish | 13:30 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, nope. | 13:30 |
| AL13N_work | if you do, let AL13N know, k? | 13:30 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: Did you contact care already? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: reporting.. | 13:31 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, I had no time to understand what happened because I had to leave, and then I restored it with recovery | 13:31 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: Oh, so you could recover it? How? | 13:31 |
| AL13N_work | the vibrate function, that had been broken for me, seems to return once in a while in a very low intensity... i guess it must be a loose contact or something... i guess i should contact care for that | 13:31 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, I lost everything. I used the recovery to reset it | 13:31 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: Meh, not cool. | 13:32 |
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| ilpianista | as I said, I had no time to understand what happened | 13:32 |
| keesj | lo | 13:32 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, I suspect my home to be full | 13:32 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: But yours also got stuck during the optimisation phase …before the actual update install? | 13:33 |
| ilpianista | yes | 13:33 |
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| ilpianista | "optimisation" :-) | 13:33 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: So, you made a factory restore and then updated to latest version? | 13:35 |
| ilpianista | yes | 13:35 |
| silver_hook | How long did that all take? | 13:36 |
| ilpianista | with a good connection less then 1 hour | 13:36 |
| ilpianista | do not install any app until you get the last update | 13:36 |
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| silver_hook | Meh, I’ll try to fix it, I don’t want to lose all my photos and messages since the last backup :/ | 13:40 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: But good to know that the alternative works. Do you happen to have the link to the HowTo at hand? | 13:41 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, it's simple as: remove battery, press volume down and insert battery, press power button while keeping pressing volume down | 13:42 |
| silver_hook | Cool, thanks :D | 13:42 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, jolla logo appears with white led, you can telnet to jolla | 13:42 |
| * ilpianista looking for the phone address | 13:43 | |
| ilpianista | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607-How-do-I-use-the-Recovery-Mode- :-P | 13:43 |
| ilpianista | silver_hook, let me know if you restore your data. I'm curious to know what happened | 13:44 |
| silver_hook | ilpianista: Will keep it in mind. Thanks :) | 13:44 |
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| adherry | meh | 13:47 |
| adherry | does indiegogo allow credit card payments? | 13:48 |
| adherry | buying a jolla tablet on the jolla site only works with a paypal account :( | 13:49 |
| the_mgt | adherry: it does accept visa at least, possibly others | 13:50 |
| adherry | ok | 13:50 |
| the_mgt | and I am not sure, but last time I bought from jolla, I used my credit card, too | 13:50 |
| the_mgt | maybe it is this "fullfilled by paypal" stuff, where you do not need an account | 13:51 |
| adherry | well | 13:51 |
| adherry | paypal either offers you to pay with your account or you have to create one in order to pay | 13:51 |
| the_mgt | thats lame | 13:52 |
| adherry | paying without an account is rare | 13:52 |
| the_mgt | ebay.de does it plenty of times | 13:52 |
| adherry | well, depends on paypal | 13:52 |
| adherry | when they datamine you as ex user or recurring user they demand you to create an account | 13:52 |
| the_mgt | they want to abandon every non-account payment option in the long run | 13:52 |
| the_mgt | they try to sneak that in, yes. but I have been able to avoid it | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | adherry: you can pay without account | 13:56 |
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| silver_hook | Stskeeps: I sent out the ticket, thanks. | 13:57 |
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| adherry | I tried it on the jolla site | 14:03 |
| adherry | did not work | 14:03 |
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| adherry | Stskeeps you want a screenshot? | 14:06 |
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| Stskeeps | adherry: raise it with care, quite sure you can | 14:09 |
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| adherry | https://s3.amazonaws.com/adherryshare/Screen+Shot+2015-09-01+at+16.10.18.png | 14:14 |
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| the_mgt | sneaky bastards, adherry | 14:17 |
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| adherry | whoa | 14:20 |
| adherry | 75$ shipping on indiegogo^^ | 14:21 |
| adherry | aint nobody likes small numbers^^ | 14:21 |
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| silver_hook | Silly question: is there an ETA how long Care needs to process tickets nowadays? | 14:21 |
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| adherry | seems like paypal stops to offer that because they say you have a higher conversion rate | 14:36 |
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| taaem | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nextbit/robin-the-smarter-smartphone and the next android manufacturer | 15:22 |
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| the_mgt | does it support the cloud? | 15:26 |
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| taaem | the_mgt: as far as I understand its simply uploading all your data in their cloud so it could delete it from your phine :-/ | 15:32 |
| taaem | phone* | 15:32 |
| the_mgt | taaem: I tried to be funny, after reading "cloud" for the umpteenth time on the kickstarter description | 15:33 |
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| taaem | the_mgt: yeah thats all over the site :D | 15:36 |
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| the_mgt | I do not quite get why they sell hardware instead of just the service | 15:40 |
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| Raim | after installing 1.1.7.28, I tried to use the new Android settings, but I cannot tap the WhatsApp icon in the app settings, it is grayed out. however, this works for other apps such as Threema or Telegram. | 16:37 |
| Raim | any idea what the reason might be that it is not working for WhatsApp? | 16:37 |
| Raim | ironically that's the example used in zendesk... | 16:37 |
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| kimmoli | robin.. meh.. waiting for camera which is not on phone, but uses cctv etc surveillance /satellite to take a photo for you... | 16:50 |
| the_mgt | cloudsourcing the selfies! | 16:51 |
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| Raim | okay, reinstalling WhatsApp solved the problem for me, now the app settings are available | 16:53 |
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| urlaubix | hi there. How much disk space is needed exactly for this optimization before update? I have 5.0 GB free and it says it's not enough, so I can't update. | 17:02 |
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| coderus | urlaubix: btrfs fi show | 17:04 |
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| Yaniel | see https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 17:04 |
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| AL13N | did anyone get the tablet shipped yet? i read about the production being ready and tested... a few weeks back | 17:06 |
| urlaubix | coderus: "used 8.35 GiB". Doesn't say how much it will need... | 17:06 |
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| pdanek | A lot of desktop OSes are switching to rolling release model, even Windows 10... and Ubuntu is already planning it. | 17:08 |
| pdanek | If it's right way to go and Ubuntu and Windows are doing it. | 17:08 |
| urlaubix | Yaniel: thx, looking into it | 17:08 |
| pdanek | Why mobile OSes don't do it? | 17:08 |
| pdanek | Oh, they do. | 17:09 |
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| * AL13N is optimizing now... should i check back in a half an hour? or just wait an hour anyway? | 17:23 | |
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| r0kk3rz | AL13N it might not take that long | 17:24 |
| r0kk3rz | but also might take very long, its a little bit non-deterministic like that | 17:24 |
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| svuorela | so. I_think I bricked my phone during update. | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: in which way? | 17:51 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: I started the upgrade, and the screen turned black after the progressbar going to ... 2% or so. 5-10 min later I tried a single short press on the powerbutton, nothing happened. I let it rest on the table and at a later point it rebooted, and showed Jolla, and then nothnig happened. | 17:54 |
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| svuorela | and that was ~3 hours ago. | 17:54 |
| coderus | try factory reset in recovery | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: was it on charger? | 17:54 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: yes. on charger. | 17:54 |
| svuorela | oh. it is active-ish and asks for pin right now. | 17:55 |
| svuorela | *entering* | 17:55 |
| svuorela | black screen; led blinking red. | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | give it a bit.. | 17:55 |
| Stskeeps | if it asks for pin, lipstick is up | 17:55 |
| svuorela | but i took ... 3h to get to this. | 17:55 |
| svuorela | led still blinking red. | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: it's one of our biggest updates due to the toolchain upgrade | 17:56 |
| svuorela | I'll give it a while | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: do you by chance have a horde of notifications? | 17:56 |
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| svuorela | I only get notifications from emails and the phone. | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | is your email account set to grab everything? | 17:57 |
| svuorela | yep | 17:57 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, that may contribute to a big notifications db | 17:57 |
| svuorela | I only have 2-5000 emails in it at current time in the inbox. | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | can you reboot into recovery mode in like 15 minutes and telnet in to the shell there and poke me? | 17:57 |
| svuorela | do you have a howto ? :) | 17:58 |
| coderus | or check if ssh to phone via wifi available :) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: or that | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | er, coderus or that | 17:58 |
| svuorela | ssh only enabled on demand I think, in my setup. | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607 | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | don't touch factory reset | 17:58 |
| coderus | if lipstick starting to load probably networking is fine and chancssh is on or off, is there on demand setup? :) | 17:59 |
| coderus | if developermode enabled and wifi autoconnects, you can ssh to device | 17:59 |
| svuorela | oh. | 17:59 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: btw, maybe post your solution to public, in case it will happen to anyone else? | 18:01 |
| * svuorela nmaps his network | 18:01 | |
| Stskeeps | coderus: rm the notifications db | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:01 |
| coderus | notifications db? lipstick one? I thought it almost always empty. | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | nah, it's not always empty | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen it grow to 40mb | 18:02 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:02 |
| coderus | wow | 18:02 |
| * coderus checking his db now | 18:02 | |
| Stskeeps | in which case lipstick may go *** mad | 18:02 |
| svuorela | ..led still flashing red. but still not 15-30 minutes - I'll do dinner and stuff and be back later. | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: nod, i'll be around (not past 21:30 danish time preferably) | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | and help get this device resurrected | 18:03 |
| svuorela | ok. | 18:03 |
| svuorela | thx | 18:03 |
| coderus | [nemo@Jolla ~]$ ls -la .local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | i am in the middle of having to rescue my own device from my kid slamming a toy car into it.. and moving to another jolla | 18:04 |
| coderus | -rw-r--r-- 1 nemo privileged 108544 2015-09-01 14:43 .local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:04 |
| coderus | hm | 18:04 |
| coderus | empty db and about 100kB, wtf? | 18:05 |
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| Stskeeps | schemas? | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | also may be sparse | 18:05 |
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| coderus | CREATE TABLE notifications (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, app_name TEXT, app_icon TEXT, summary TEXT, body TEXT, expire_timeout INTEGER); | 18:07 |
| coderus | CREATE TABLE actions (id INTEGER, action TEXT, PRIMARY KEY(id, action)); | 18:07 |
| coderus | CREATE TABLE hints (id INTEGER, hint TEXT, value TEXT, PRIMARY KEY(id, hint)); | 18:07 |
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| coderus | CREATE TABLE expiration (id INTEGER PRIMARY KEY, expire_at INTEGER); | 18:07 |
| coderus | and everything is empty | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 18:08 |
| coderus | something is really wrong here | 18:08 |
| coderus | vacuum didn't helped | 18:09 |
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| svuorela | so. my phone isn't autoconnected. I guess I'll have to figure out how to rescue into it. | 18:36 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, [19:58] <Stskeeps> svuorela: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607 | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | should be easy | 18:37 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: and I can turn it off while the led is blinking red ? | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, just pull the battery | 18:38 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: that was easy. I'm in. | 18:41 |
| svuorela | what to do here? :) | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | mkdir -p /mnt | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | in the shell | 18:41 |
| svuorela | oh oh. might void my warrenty | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | 'might' | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | mount -o subvolid=0 /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ls -al /mnt/@home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | @ is intentional | 18:42 |
| kimmoli | svuorela: this is warranty-repair ... | 18:42 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: 82k | 18:43 |
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| svuorela | -rw-r--r-- 1 100000 998 83968 Sep 1 2015 /mnt/@home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Notifications/notifications.db | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so it's not that problem | 18:43 |
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| Stskeeps | you have data you want to rescue from the device? | 18:43 |
| Yaniel | I know where this is going.... | 18:44 |
| svuorela | I'd love to have my phone book and messages, at least. and accounts settings would be nice, as well as installed apps. | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | okay, let's as a start figure out why it died.. | 18:45 |
| svuorela | yeah. finding a reason is likely a relevant point | 18:45 |
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| svuorela | (the backup I_did before the upgrade got written to my sd card, right? ) | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | internal or external? | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | sd | 18:46 |
| svuorela | external | 18:47 |
| TemeV | svuorela: only if you used the copy to sd card option | 18:47 |
| svuorela | hmm.. | 18:47 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: well, check if it's on your sd card as a start | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | it's in /mnt/@home/nemo/.vault otherwise afaik | 18:47 |
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| svuorela | .vault is dated today. | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, so it sounds like it's in there | 18:48 |
| svuorela | yeah | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | check your microsd anyhow | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so we're sure where it's at | 18:49 |
| svuorela | not on sd. | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:49 |
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| svuorela | (I guess I should be more careful in the future) | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | du -s -h /mnt/home/@nemo/.vault | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | er.. | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | du -s -h /mnt/@home/nemo/.vault | 18:50 |
| svuorela | 200mb | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so enough space on your microsd for that? | 18:51 |
| svuorela | plenty | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | insert it, mkdir /mnt2 , mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /mnt2 | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | cp -ar /mnt/@home/nemo/.vault /mnt2 | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | can copy whole @home/nemo if you want, too | 18:52 |
| TemeV | photos are not in .vault iirc, so at least backup them | 18:52 |
| TemeV | (if there is anything to back up) | 18:52 |
| * svuorela checks size of home/nemo | 18:53 | |
| * svuorela tar's up home/nemo | 18:53 | |
| Coolgeek | don't forget to 'sync' after | 18:53 |
| Coolgeek | to ensure your data are written to you sd | 18:54 |
| Coolgeek | your* | 18:54 |
| svuorela | tar created, sync written a couple of times. | 18:55 |
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| svuorela | unmounted. sd-card removed | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | ok, can you do journalctl -n 500000 > /mnt2/journal.txt , sync, umount the sd card and send me journal.txt on carsten.munk@jolla.com ? | 18:56 |
| svuorela | sure | 18:56 |
| Stskeeps | if we're unlucky there's nothing | 18:56 |
| svuorela | journalctl not found | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | ugh, that's right.. | 18:57 |
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| Stskeeps | chroot /mnt/@ journalctl -n 50000 > /mnt2/journal.txt | 18:57 |
| TemeV | aren't journals lost in boot by default? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | we might be lucky | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:58 |
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| svuorela | No journal files were found. | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:58 |
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| svuorela | I can send you an empty file :P | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | naah, i have enough empty files. | 18:58 |
| svuorela | or you can create them with touch. | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | if you're really bored, do the following: | 18:58 |
| svuorela | I'm not as such bored, but I do volunteer in helping a bit finding out why. | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | vi /mnt/@/etc/systemd/journald.conf and change Storage=volatile to Storage=automatic and mkdir -p /mnt/@/var/log/journal | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | sync, umount /mnt and /mnt2, sync a couple of more times and reboot -f | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | then try to boot it up | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | and turn it off at some point | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | and recovery mode, mount subvolid, etc, grab journal | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | that'll at least give a hint why it doesn't want to boot up | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | we're rapidily heading towards a factory reset and restore from backup by copying .vault back into /home/nemo on a fresh device | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | which you can do in recovery mode | 19:01 |
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| svuorela | screen is ... lit but black and has been like that for a minute. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | give it 2 minutes and then turn it off | 19:03 |
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| svuorela | ok | 19:04 |
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| svuorela | I guess that's around now. | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | hold down power button - it turns off eventually? | 19:07 |
| svuorela | didn't. unplugged the battery. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:08 |
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| kimmoli | i had once the device stuck after update, it booted finally, but took like 10mins. it was issue with eMMC iirc. | 19:08 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i would look at dmesg too.. | 19:10 |
| svuorela | Aug 29 07:47:08 Jolla [1277]: [C] unknown:0 - Failed to create display (No such file or directory) | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's usually not a good sign.. | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | send me journal? | 19:11 |
| svuorela | will do. | 19:11 |
| svuorela | just browsing thru it to ensure it doesn't has anything like 'read all sune's email with the following password:' and similar. | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 19:12 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: sent. | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that system looks totally foobar | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | check around if there's other stuff you'd want to back up and i guess we're at a factory reset after that :/ | 19:15 |
| svuorela | where could stuff be hiding ? | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | /data for android-y stuff , /var/lib/connman for wifi-y stuf.. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | but rest should really be in /home/nemo | 19:16 |
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| kimmoli | take ls of usr/share to get list of installed stuff? | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | and that | 19:17 |
| svuorela | hmm... can't umount /mnt | 19:21 |
| svuorela | umount: can't umount /mnt: Device or resource busy | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | dunno, sync, reboot -f | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | and then go back into recovery mode and factory reset | 19:22 |
| svuorela | so. restore to factory, copy back .nemo and connman and then actually boot up ? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | i'd say restore to factory, upgrade to 1.1.7 all the way, copy back .vault to /home/nemo, restore backup, see how much it botches things up | 19:24 |
| svuorela | ok. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | it's not a pretty situation | 19:24 |
| svuorela | ok. | 19:25 |
| svuorela | Wilkommen an Bord | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's a good sign | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | now for lots of upgrades | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:26 |
| svuorela | oh. system upgrade available | 19:29 |
| svuorela | whattasurprise | 19:29 |
| * Stskeeps flashes his backup jolla | 19:30 | |
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| svuorela | so. downloading Yliaavanlampi | 19:31 |
| Coolgeek | does those name have a meaning ? | 19:32 |
| Yaniel | they are names of finnish lakes | 19:32 |
| Coolgeek | oh, ok | 19:32 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: one thing that was a bit surprising earlier today was that I think it took less than 10 minutes to download the new version over my phone (not wireless) - normally it is quite a bit more. | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: smells a bit like your repositories were messed up | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | svuorela: how exactly did you upgrade? please don't say version --dup | 19:35 |
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| Tofe | version --dup --force --ignore-failures --yes-to-everything | 19:36 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: through the gui thing. | 19:36 |
| Coolgeek | Tofe: you forgot --yolo | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: good | 19:37 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: and no fancy repositories or packages from fancy repositories (except fdroid) installed. | 19:37 |
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| TemeV | it seems wayland is really coming http://fedoramagazine.org/update-wayland-support-fedora-23/ | 20:09 |
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| Yaniel | about time | 20:10 |
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| Stskeeps | you have wayland on your phone | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:11 |
| TemeV | Stskeeps: I know :) | 20:11 |
| TemeV | And now on my desktop also | 20:11 |
| TemeV | I don't see much difference to x though | 20:12 |
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| Coolgeek | will wait for wayland to become the main windowing system on my distro :p | 20:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | TemeV, is still XX | 20:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | TemeV, is still X11 | 20:16 |
| TemeV | In Fedora 22 you can choose Wayland also | 20:17 |
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| TemeV | Apps are mostly X11 of course | 20:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'm on wayland | 20:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sucks like x11 | 20:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-d | 20:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Btw kudos to jolla | 20:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've asked for a dev device to a company | 20:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i need to pay their phone + mediatek fee | 20:19 |
| Tomin | I tried Wayland on my laptop today (Arch Linux with GNOME). I still can't doubleclick on Nautilus (known bug in Mutter) and "multi finger clicking" (or whatever it is) didn't work but I guess that could be some configuration thing. Also scrolling felt somehow weird to me compared to X11, maybe it was too fast or something | 20:21 |
| svuorela | so. should I go to recovery mode to put the .vault stuff and connman stuff back ? | 20:23 |
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| * svuorela jumps up and down on Stskeeps and coderus :) | 20:25 | |
| tigeli | svuorela: pics? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: zzzzz | 20:26 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: should I restore .vault from recovery mode ? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: shouldn't make a difference | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | important thing is to cp -ar it | 20:27 |
| svuorela | oh. vault is a git repository ? | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:29 |
| svuorela | tha's smart | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | you'd think | 20:29 |
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| tsht | Hello... I'm still fighting with a google account and a facebook account which are blocked in an account update needed loop... anyone knows how I can have some useful logs or repair this ? tried this but can't manage to lauch the two last commands :( (auth failed even if good pwd for devel-su) https://together.jolla.com/question/31761/cannot-sign-in-to-google-account/ | 20:33 |
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| kimmoli | devel-su fails auth if already root (just saying) | 20:40 |
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| svuorela | Stskeeps: thanks for your help. I think I have the most important bits back | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: good | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | upgrades sometimes break, it sucks | 20:42 |
| svuorela | except all my toh-things with their special applications. | 20:42 |
| * Tofe is glad to have a recent backup of his .vault on his computer | 20:42 | |
| svuorela | Tofe: maybe I should do that a bit more often | 20:43 |
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| Tofe | It can really save the day | 20:43 |
| tsht | ok thanks kimmoli must be that for this particular issue | 20:43 |
| svuorela | Tofe: is there an app for that? :) | 20:44 |
| Tofe | svuorela: nope, maybe that's an idea | 20:45 |
| Tofe | though it's supposed to be useless if backup to sdcard works well | 20:45 |
| svuorela | backup to sd-card is just the latest thing tar'ed up I think | 20:45 |
| Tofe | yes it is | 20:46 |
| Tofe | you'd want the whole history? | 20:46 |
| svuorela | yeah. if(networkname == "vuorela" ) git push --all homeserver :) | 20:47 |
| svuorela | hmm... whenever I attach a other half, I get "communicatino problems with the store server". | 20:47 |
| Tofe | italian crisis, maybe | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | svuorela: probably need to re-login your jolla account | 20:48 |
| svuorela | Stskeeps: I can install thigns from store, though. | 20:48 |
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| Stskeeps | luck? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:48 |
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| svuorela | how do I re-login ? | 20:49 |
| svuorela | reboot ? | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | accounts | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | time for me to go to sleep though | 20:50 |
| svuorela | I'll just go the windows route :) | 20:50 |
| svuorela | sleep well | 20:50 |
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| baum | just wondering: why should i loginto my jolla account before updating? | 20:52 |
| Yaniel | because the updates are hosted in jolla repos? | 20:56 |
| baum | would be strange if they'd require an auth to acess the repos, wouldn't it? | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | baum: i would be surprised if it would let you | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | and most likely say 'cannot contact the store' or something to that effect | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | baum: there's 3rd party bits such as hw adaptation from qcom that make this mandatory, sorry | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | nothing malicious, just sad state of how the world of agreements work today | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | hmm what about separate open and closed repos? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | they're already seperate | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | see ssu lr | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | I see | 20:59 |
| baum | that's pretty sad....i don't know what to say | 21:00 |
| baum | i realy didn't expect that | 21:00 |
| baum | r0kk3rz: an implementation like you stated would go pretty much against the whole open source spirit | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that, having the jolla account system makes us able to easier make people able to have early access to updates, too | 21:00 |
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| Stskeeps | baum: every consumer sold device today has 3rd party hw adaptation bits that are properitary | 21:01 |
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| Stskeeps | if you want working graphics, it's pretty much the only way (freedreno excepted, which isn't really production level) | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that, some 3rd party bits require a cost per device | 21:03 |
| baum | since you are refering to freedreno means it's mainly about the graphic drivers? | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | graphics drivers, modem drivers, audio drivers.. | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | needless to say, you can't do a production device without those :) | 21:06 |
| baum | nope but i'm pretty confident that there are open source drivers for the modem and audio out there :) | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | you'd think | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | on top of that there's gps (goes through modem), etc.. | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, hw adaptations are an unholy mess that everybody, ranging from tizen, firefox os, ubuntu has an issue with. | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | we have to have some degree of access control and a jolla account is one way we do it | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 21:08 |
| baum | hmmm alright thanks for the info | 21:08 |
| baum | gotta let that sink | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | you might argue if you can't trust us with a login for very specific technical purposes, you wouldn't want binaries made by us anyway :) | 21:09 |
| baum | speaking of it, it bothers me quite a bit that i can't just easily compile the system on my own & flash the phone | 21:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | the aforementioned qcom bsp has something to do with that also | 21:11 |
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| baum | kinda wondering, would a cooperation with the Neo900 be possible? | 21:15 |
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| Blizzz | someone plugging and unplugging store all the time? keep trying to update but at some point the download fails because "problem with store" and i could try from the start again. once i made it to 50 | 21:26 |
| Blizzz | % | 21:26 |
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