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| Mikaela | no, MATE | 04:15 |
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| Mikaela | not even 12 hours late :P | 04:15 |
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| hypnicVZO | Hmm, VVT Technical Research Center has developed smart radio for Android but it is clearly running in a Jolla phone http://www.goodnewsfinland.com/prototype-of-smart-radio-developed-in-finland/ | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | heh :) | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | inside the android runtime | 07:19 |
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| pp_ | less annoying to develop, I'm sure :-) | 07:19 |
| pp_ | I've been playing with the android buildsys, egad | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | aosp? | 07:20 |
| pp_ | yep | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | its er, fun | 07:22 |
| pp_ | I suppose it can be ok if you have everything setup for your target platform | 07:23 |
| pp_ | ... and don't want to say recompile it with clang 3.6 | 07:23 |
| pp_ | ... and are fine with installing a version of java that no longer receives updates | 07:24 |
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| Stskeeps | pp_: imagine the heaps of fun we have doing adaptations | 07:25 |
| pp_ | oh right, you don't need all of it, but you need to do something different for the stuff that you are using :P | 07:26 |
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| pp_ | and you're stuck with the version that needs oracle java 6 | 07:26 |
| Helle | developing for Android with just a Jolla phone is not what I'd recommend :P | 07:27 |
| Helle | otoh, I do just verify my Android apps for phone use on mine | 07:27 |
| Helle | only Android devices I have are tablets | 07:27 |
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| Kabouik | Is there a way to check if my SD card is faulty from the Jolla (I do not have a card reader here)? I changed it like 2 weeks ago, used the "Format and share with Android" guide from TJC and everything was working well, until yesterday. | 08:19 |
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| Kabouik | I noticed that all Android applications would crash, and so I checked the SD with the file browser: empty. And my music disappeared too. | 08:20 |
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| Kabouik | If the card is faulty, then it's the second one in 2 months. Is it possible that it has to do with the Android sharing, wearing the SD out because of too many access occurrences? | 08:21 |
| Nicd- | I also had my MicroSD die when using my Jolla | 08:21 |
| Yaniel | I had one microSD get stuck in programming mode all the time | 08:21 |
| Nicd- | coincidence? :P | 08:21 |
| ninnnu | programming mode? | 08:22 |
| Yaniel | according to journalctl | 08:22 |
| Kabouik | I don't know Nicd-, but the two of us might have 3 dead SD cards already, that's a lot | 08:22 |
| Kabouik | How can I check the programming mode? | 08:22 |
| Yaniel | I just waded through journalctl and found mentions of it | 08:22 |
| Yaniel | ninnnu: modern memory cards have microcontrollers for various stuff | 08:23 |
| Yaniel | and they can be reprogrammed | 08:23 |
| Yaniel | (because what could possibly go wrong) | 08:23 |
| ninnnu | I know, I just thought that that'd need some soldering and stuff | 08:23 |
| Yaniel | nope, just the right input sequence | 08:24 |
| ninnnu | huh | 08:24 |
| Yaniel | though in this case I think the card was faulty, which caused some voltage leak or something like that | 08:24 |
| coderus | i'm using my 16GB SanDish UHD card for two years, shared with android, repartitioned, still works | 08:25 |
| Kabouik | https://together.jolla.com/question/93384/sd-card-stuck-in-programming-mode/ this might be my problem indeed (and perhaps it was my problem on the previous card too?). I need to check with journalctl. What would be the solution for that? | 08:27 |
| Yaniel | get a new card | 08:28 |
| Kabouik | Well I've had two 64 GB cards in two months, only for my Jolla | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | happened to me all the time with a nameless cheapo card | 08:28 |
| Kabouik | And they are Transcend | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | but never once with my current sandisk | 08:28 |
| Yaniel | hmm | 08:28 |
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| Yaniel | someday... I'll probably go and stab tracker into submission | 08:36 |
| Yaniel | and/or mediaartd or whatever that is | 08:37 |
| flux | I suppose I should check my SD then. sadly well-performing 64GB cards aren't yet too cheap. | 08:37 |
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| Yaniel | I mean yeah media is risky business | 08:39 |
| Yaniel | but libflac is an official thing, no reason to die on those halfway through | 08:39 |
| Yaniel | and how hard can it be to find a file with a pretty much hardcoded name in the cwd | 08:39 |
| Yaniel | (cover.png, looking at you --- or rather, not) | 08:40 |
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| pp_ | if you're reading media files automatically, you should probably do it with ~= zero privs in a separate process | 08:47 |
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| pp_ | seccomp should do the trick | 08:48 |
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| ilpianista | hi there, there's no way to flash latest sailfishos release to jolla? I restored the device to factory settings and it seems I'm unable to update to 1.1.2 | 09:01 |
| pp_ | it updates a few times to get the latest | 09:02 |
| ilpianista | yes but for same reason this update fails: downloaded, install, it reboots, the progress bar never starts and then it reboots again | 09:02 |
| ilpianista | some* | 09:02 |
| pp_ | the very first release (1.0.0.5 or whatnot) is pretty much totally broken, factory reset, give it your jolla account and update, and nothing else | 09:04 |
| ilpianista | yes I was suspecting that | 09:04 |
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| ilpianista | resetting device again... | 09:05 |
| r0kk3rz | ilpianista: make sure you put in your jolla account in the out-of-box setup | 09:07 |
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| Lieke | oh, 1.1.7.28 rolls out to all users today | 09:11 |
| r0kk3rz | oh it does? ive only just installed the pre-release | 09:12 |
| Coolgeek | maybe it will fix my problem with my SD card | 09:13 |
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| nib_ | wow 1.1.7.28 is available indeed | 09:30 |
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| Coolgeek | 1.1.7.28 installed \o/ | 10:04 |
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| rigo | hi all, is there a plan to fix the vendor specific property introduced by youtube that is blocking youtube? | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: 1.1.7 has that fix AFAIK? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | just shipping today | 10:12 |
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| Coolgeek | no more problems with my SD card \o/ | 10:32 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2015/08/former-apple-ceo-john-sculley-launches-two-android-phones/ | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting design | 11:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | not so sure about that raised screen though | 11:48 |
| Yaniel | is that a joke | 11:49 |
| dr_gogeta86 | iphone that make sex with n9 | 11:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | kinda part n9 part jolla phone | 11:51 |
| r0kk3rz | part iphone | 11:52 |
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| Yaniel | an iphone embedded in a N9 case | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | wait what | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | fibreglass case | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | whaaaaaat | 11:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wonder if its a frankenphone, they getting the surplus supply of front glass from the iphone 4/5 and a few other standard items and bodging it together and calling it 'premium' | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that .. all phones? | 12:00 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: you'd know better than me on that one | 12:01 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: the phone screen is bigger than the iphone | 12:01 |
| Nicd- | those are some cheap phones | 12:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but surely the big players can command their own stuff build from scratch | 12:02 |
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| rigo | Stskeeps: thanks for keeping us all happy :) | 13:39 |
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| rigo | r0kk3rz: I think jolla has to be patient and persistent and keep on innovating on hardware. | 13:42 |
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| rigo | the current one is already pretty cool, but should continue to innovate and improve quality and haptic over time, play with suppliers etc | 13:42 |
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| rigo | remember, some crazy nokians had their smartphone running years before the iphone. Jolla should look for those kids (and has some of them) | 13:43 |
| rigo | steve jobs failed 5 times before making the iphone (remember all those tablets that did not work?) | 13:44 |
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| Stskeeps | well, we can innovate on sw and leave odms to do the hard hw lifting and oems to do the financing.. | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:44 |
| rigo | I strongly believe that - on the long run - you can NOT make enough money with other people's hardware without being totally at their mercy | 13:45 |
| rigo | even with OS or especially with OS | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: ah, but the world has changed.. | 13:45 |
| rigo | yes, we have HTML5 :) | 13:46 |
| Tofe | rigo: you mean, like Google? | 13:46 |
| rigo | Tofe: have you seen their reply on the competition accusations? Very funny | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: got an url for it | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:46 |
| rigo | hm, flown by on twitter, will take a moment. -> starting my search engines | 13:47 |
| rigo | siri ... | 13:47 |
| rigo | :) | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:47 |
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| Tofe | Something like this ? http://panteres.com/2015/08/27/google-eu-competition-allegations-are-false/ | 13:48 |
| flux | tofe, I've heard that google has these popular services, and that android works as a way to bind people to those | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | flux: well, it's actually opposite, it's to bind oems and odms | 13:49 |
| r0kk3rz | googles services were popular before android | 13:49 |
| rigo | BTW, new search engine with semantic web. For me, it gives better results than others: https://hulbee.com/ | 13:53 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: you can't use android without a google account. This is precisely why I bought my N9 | 13:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | im sure i didnt at first, dont remember was too long ago | 13:55 |
| Tofe | And me my Jolla :) Well, at least it was one of the highest points. | 13:55 |
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| Tofe | (how to jump back on-topic) | 13:57 |
| rigo | blogpost http://googlepolicyeurope.blogspot.nl/2015/08/improving-quality-isnt-anti-competitive.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+EuropeanPublicPolicyBlog+(European+Public+Policy+Blog) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 13:57 |
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| rigo | I think there will be a lot of benefit in the hardware. E.g. how to get rid of passwords on the web | 14:04 |
| rigo | and that's why I believe it is essential to have one's own hardware platform | 14:04 |
| rigo | because otherwise, other vendors will just limit the software | 14:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | well, it also seems to be the only way out of the tight hardware profit margins | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | to keep the software artificially scarce, but that would require a monumental marketing effort | 14:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | rigoo: but remember, thats basically blackberry's strategy atm, and they even used to have a legion of followers | 14:15 |
| r0kk3rz | not working out so well | 14:15 |
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| tango_ | am I the only one under the impression that the light sensor in the jolla works the opposite way that it should? | 14:46 |
| tango_ | as in: brighter light = dimmer display? | 14:46 |
| flux | tango_, works for me (TM) as in brighter light, brighter display? | 14:47 |
| tango_ | hm | 14:47 |
| flux | hand on -> dims, hand off -> bright | 14:47 |
| flux | ..assuming there is light :) | 14:47 |
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| tango_ | hm | 14:49 |
| tango_ | it doesn't seem to work like that in direct sunlight | 14:49 |
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| flux | maybe it gives up and saves battery :) | 14:49 |
| tango_ | sun = invisible, I put it my shadow = I can see the "fade to bright" effect | 14:49 |
| tango_ | however, if I'm already in the shadow, it seems to work right | 14:50 |
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| rigoo | r0kk3rz: yes, good point. But Blackberry suffered from a lack of innovation, not from a lack of platform | 15:01 |
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| rigo | the next batch of innovation will be with those who still have the trust of their users. This includes nice hardware with no spying things in it | 15:03 |
| r0kk3rz | i do wonder whether the whole 'no spying' thing is vastly overstated | 15:04 |
| r0kk3rz | generally people seem blissfully ignorant when it comes to such things | 15:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | or handwave it away with 'im not that interesting' | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: +1 | 15:07 |
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| rigo | r0kk3rz: it is not overstated. I have invitations for presentation from around the world. People are VERY concerned, but don't believe they have an option | 15:42 |
| rigo | after the talk, many people privately ask me what I do to escape. I show them my N9 and tell them to look up the jolla | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: it's sad that we're basically letting what's today a part of our minds (ref andy clark's the extended mind) be controlled and dominated by others | 15:43 |
| rigo | Stskeeps: yep, spot on | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | this can't go on when we get closer and closer connections to our minds | 15:43 |
| r0kk3rz | for sure there are concerned people, but when push comes to shove people need to vote with their wallets, not their words | 15:44 |
| rigo | btw, I want jolla to sandbox and control android apps. I want to have a config where I can turn off access to harddisk or network for an android app on my jolla | 15:44 |
| r0kk3rz | time will tell which way it goes | 15:44 |
| kelvan | sailfish keeps rejecting jolla login | 15:44 |
| kelvan | any idea of the cause? | 15:44 |
| rigo | lol | 15:44 |
| rigo | and this will be a distinctive property that makes people buy a jolla instead of some cheap android thingy | 15:45 |
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| rigo | Stskeeps: btw, I would love to work with you on an extended mind thing that people can trust and that jolla can market. Opera was a forerunner there. They had opera link and people really trusted that everything is crypted on the server | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | rigo: noted, i have some family business stuff i need to take care of, but we should continue this talk :) | 15:47 |
| rigo | cu | 15:47 |
| rigo | :) | 15:47 |
| r0kk3rz | the other option is of course to not use apps you don't trust, but people really dont seem to like that idea | 15:48 |
| rigo | r0kk3rz: sometimes you don't have an option | 15:48 |
| Mikaela | no newer OpenSSH in Björnträsket :( | 15:48 |
| rigo | I want to use the BVG app, but I want to be able to turn it off :) | 15:48 |
| rigo | reliably | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. you want to have your cake and eat it too | 15:49 |
| rigo | not just the BVG telling me it is off. The CNIL and INRIA had a large field search on apps. A large part of apps were doing illegal things, phoning home, spying etc | 15:50 |
| rigo | having a sandbox where you can allow that for the time you're using the stuff will force the app dev to store things locally and only send once they're allowed to get network | 15:51 |
| rigo | but as this is not the case on android, they will not care | 15:51 |
| r0kk3rz | or the sandbox wiil break the app, and the developer will say 'dont do that it breaks the app' | 15:51 |
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| rigo | r0kk3rz: like Google saying to the app devs: don't use TLS as it will break our advertisement? This is ridiculous | 15:54 |
| r0kk3rz | yes but google is first and foremost an advertising company | 15:55 |
| r0kk3rz | targetted advertising is their flagship product, i can totally understand them not wanting to break that | 15:56 |
| rigo | but google is also complaining about pervasive monitoring and the IETF has clearly stated that we want an all encrypted internet. They are working against the IETF here | 15:56 |
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| rigo | some time ago, I talked to someone in Google and at that time, over 60% of the revenue were just adds that go together with search. If someone searches, you know what they want and can cater to it | 15:57 |
| rigo | google doesn't need to target to that extend | 15:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | well its the long tail of capitalism isnt it? the 80:20 rule put to marketshare and shareholder value | 15:59 |
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| rigo | +1 | 15:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | switching search engine is one of the easiest things to do | 16:00 |
| Lucky_luke | I make the update my phone crash on 99% i rr | 16:00 |
| Lucky_luke | now i have the update 1.7 | 16:00 |
| r0kk3rz | provided there was a competitor who didnt do targetted advertising, and people cared enough about it | 16:00 |
| Lucky_luke | but update notification still up | 16:00 |
| Nicd- | does duckduckgo have search analytics for webmasters like google webmaster tools? | 16:01 |
| Lucky_luke | how i remove it | 16:01 |
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| Lucky_luke | any help? | 16:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | Lucky_luke: sounds like the update didnt finish properly | 16:04 |
| Lucky_luke | so what i can do | 16:04 |
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| Lieke | Nicd-: why rely on a third party, just install piwik or open web analytics | 16:05 |
| r0kk3rz | Lucky_luke: contact care, they might be interested in finding out why it happened | 16:05 |
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| Nicd- | Lieke: search engines nowadays don't pass through the search terms | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | google doesn't do it for example | 16:06 |
| Lieke | oh, i see | 16:07 |
| Nicd- | but gwt lets you see the search terms people used and how high you were in the results | 16:08 |
| _inte_ | Lucky_luke: dont know if that is advised but you might want to try a "pkcon update" in the terminal | 16:10 |
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| Lucky_luke | can you tell me the command? | 16:11 |
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| _inte_ | I did | 16:11 |
| coderus | Delete the file /home/nemo/.cache/store-client/os-info | 16:12 |
| coderus | Stop the store-client process (for e.g. pkill store-client) | 16:12 |
| coderus | Reopen Settings app, check for updates again and attempt to install the OS update again | 16:12 |
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| Lucky_luke | ty coderus the notification left and im uo to date | 16:17 |
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| pdanek | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auuQA0Q8qpM | 18:25 |
| pdanek | (Plasma Mobile Prototype) | 18:25 |
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| taaem | pdanek: But for some reason they choosed Ubuntu Touch as base and not Mer... | 18:31 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's better to work with what you know | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | sometimes it's worth taking a look and do a proper evaluation | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | tough :) | 18:32 |
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| friese | well, i'm excited, if we'll ever see some kde <-> jolla-interoperatibility, they're both qt5-based, and doesn't sailfish os already use some kde-libs? i heard the document viewer was based on calligra somewhere... | 18:33 |
| pdanek | Does Sailfish and KDE Plasma Phone have some cooperation in UI development? | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | friese: it is | 18:34 |
| friese | that reminds me... i always wanted to try building a kde connect-client for sailfish os... could be a nice weekend-project trying to get a prototype going | 18:35 |
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| ahjolinna | kde connect for sailfishOS would be nice | 18:37 |
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| friese | humm, i probably could get most stuff (incoming calls, mediaplayer-information) off the dbus, so the hardest thing would be actually connecting to the kde desktop | 18:37 |
| ahjolinna | wasn't some already working on this?? ...long time ago | 18:37 |
| pdanek | A poll for most used Linux DE on jollausers.com would be interesting. | 18:38 |
| * Stskeeps has personally given up on linux desktop and is using mac os x. | 18:38 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:38 |
| ahjolinna | traitor | 18:38 |
| phlixi | http://plasma-mobile.org/technology/#panel-269-2-0-0 "Proudly not invented here": "Voicecall by NemoMobile is a quality Qt-driven dialer, " | 18:39 |
| pdanek | OSX is nice desktop | 18:39 |
| coderus | sure, kde working with canonical for a long time, dont think anybody would spontaneously swith it to mer :) | 18:39 |
| phlixi | so its not totally disconnected from the jolla world, isnt it? | 18:39 |
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| friese | humm, i think i could even write a provider for pulseaudio for rewriting audio streams to & from sailfish, or try to get some telepathy interconnection going */me is starting to have his crazy-ideas phase* | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | friese: not always going to work for telephony | 18:40 |
| friese | yeah, telephony could be a bit tricky i guess | 18:41 |
| pdanek | Isn't KDE Plasma 5 the last chance for Linux desktop? | 18:41 |
| friese | haven't really looked into the pulseaudio stack on sailfish os... | 18:41 |
| friese | wasn't klde 4 already the last chance? or was that gnome 3? | 18:41 |
| friese | *kde 4 | 18:41 |
| pdanek | When I saw KDE4 for first time, I thought it's a joke. | 18:42 |
| pdanek | Similarly for Gnome 3. | 18:42 |
| friese | yeah, kde 4 wasn't that great... tbh i almost thought about switching to gnome at that time, been using kde since version 2 came out | 18:42 |
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| ahjolinna | I think plasma5 will be great when the KDE VDG new designs will arrive to the apps...someday | 18:43 |
| pdanek | Plasma 5.4 already has testing support for Wayland. | 18:44 |
| friese | yeah, but it looks quite good just with the changes to the qt theme already i think | 18:44 |
| ahjolinna | the breeze theme looks nice | 18:44 |
| pdanek | Maybe version 5.6 could be fully on Wayland, or 5.7. | 18:44 |
| ahjolinna | maybe, depends mostly on kwin | 18:45 |
| pdanek | And V5.4 is quiyte lightweight on memory. | 18:45 |
| pdanek | Maybe 2/3 of Gnome 3 memory footprint. | 18:45 |
| friese | humm... should i get a cheap nexus 5 for fiddling with plasma phone? always thought about an upgrade for my most recent android phone (which is a desire z from 2010) | 18:45 |
| pdanek | friese: why not, in worst case you can start fiddling with Sailfish on that Nexus | 18:46 |
| friese | humm, looked in the drawer again, almost forgot my smartwatch, which strangely has better specs than my desire z :) | 18:47 |
| ahjolinna | only thing what I hate now that u have to have a kde4 apps & plasma5 hybrid solution...okay you can go with KaOS solution (aka pure qt5) that use -git version | 18:47 |
| pdanek | I think once Plasma desktop is fully on Wayland, on decent hardware with OpenGL, it will be blazing fast desktop. | 18:47 |
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| friese | yeah, thats the upside to the nexus 5, enough alternatives to that android-stuff (even if it's from google itself :) ) | 18:47 |
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| pdanek | ahjolinna: KDE apps are being ported very rapidly, just wait few months and hybrid will disappear | 18:48 |
| friese | which reminds me... my n9 is collecting dust with some ancient sailfish-port... wonder if more recent sailfish-releases still work on a n9 or if i should just flash harmattan again and keep it as a reminder to the good old nokia-times ;) | 18:48 |
| taaem | Plasma 5.4 is quite good the only thing for is the startup speed it takes longer than Win10 :-/ but when its running its fast as hell | 18:49 |
| ahjolinna | I know...but still, its really ugly solution | 18:49 |
| friese | humm, my windows 10 must be broken then, i think that takes about 15 seconds from grub to desktop, archlinux with plasma 5.4 takes less than 10 | 18:49 |
| ahjolinna | taaem: on what distro do u use plasma 5.4? | 18:50 |
| taaem | ahjolinna: arch | 18:50 |
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| pdanek | OpenSUSE should hope to get the Plasma 5.4 in November release, it will be very tight. | 18:50 |
| pdanek | Since most of SUSE users are KDE fans. | 18:50 |
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| taaem | friese: 10 sec? from grub to desktop? It takes about 15- 20 after I login and KDE is starting and it shows this nice loading bar | 18:51 |
| friese | yeah, reminds me of my days of running debian on a workstation. heck, i'd probably still be running kde 4 | 18:51 |
| friese | yup, though little more than 3 seconds of that are kernel&systemd, the rest is largely kde :) | 18:52 |
| pdanek | One would say that in age of standby and hibernate, booting time does not matter, but it does, in dualboot environment, it really does. | 18:52 |
| friese | but 15-20 seconds between login and kde loading sounds really slow... are you using an hdd or ssd? | 18:52 |
| taaem | hdd on an quad core itel i5 with 8 gb of ram | 18:53 |
| taaem | intel* | 18:53 |
| friese | humm okay, im running kde from ssd, so that's probably the main reason for the difference | 18:53 |
| ahjolinna | ssd FTW | 18:54 |
| taaem | but I don't reboot too often so its not really an issue the standby and resume times are very good | 18:54 |
| friese | yeah, i think i reboot about once a week for system updates, or when i need to switch to windows (which is almost exclusively for gaming) | 18:55 |
| taaem | Are we going to hear somethung from Jolla at IFA in Berlin? | 18:55 |
| ahjolinna | taaem: I think u dont have any idea how much better your system runs with SSD....I could never go back to HDD | 18:55 |
| ahjolinna | I have 250GB ssd on my desktop and 120 gb on my ultrabook | 18:56 |
| taaem | ahjolinna: yeah so maybe its time for an update... but reinastalling Windows and Arch and all programs nah | 18:57 |
| ahjolinna | I havent used windows for almost 4 years now :P | 18:57 |
| ahjolinna | only linux | 18:57 |
| friese | reinstall? i just rsynced my arch over, installed grub and that was basically it... reinstalled windows though | 18:58 |
| ahjolinna | I do miss playing some windows games..okay most of them are on PS4 and/or getting linux port | 18:58 |
| tadzik | They should give us those coins, like in AA | 18:59 |
| taaem | friese: thats also an option... | 18:59 |
| tadzik | Clean for 4years | 18:59 |
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| taaem | I also thought about moving my Windows installation in a virtualbox so I get rid of the dualboot... | 19:02 |
| pdanek | http://www.itworld.com/article/2952189/linux/kde-community-announces-fully-open-source-plasma-mobile.html | 19:02 |
| pdanek | Interesting comment from Knut :D "This is not the first - MeeGo from Nokia N9 is a complete KDE implementation - but the phone part of the OS remained Nokia proprietary - the rest is free, open source. This was based on the Maemo, developed by Nokia and ARM, and you will here find a large application platform. LXDM is available as "desktop" and the OpenPlasma effort was ditched when Samsung elected to go their ow | 19:02 |
| ahjolinna | taaem: that depends on what you use your windows for, it could be usable | 19:03 |
| pdanek | Some people are great storytellers. | 19:03 |
| friese | humm, i think someone mixed up qt & kde :) i didn't hear about jolla migrating to tizen though... | 19:06 |
| taaem | ahjolinna: Currently only as Backup kind solution for things for school that wouldn't run on linux | 19:06 |
| friese | The other Comment from Ronald Johnsson gave me a chuckle though: When I read the headline I was like.. "What is KDE doing with the blood donations?" Then I noticed the article was in the IT section. | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | friese: migrating to tizen? wut | 19:07 |
| ahjolinna | taaem: I'm glad that in my school (in finland) we used linux, so I never had that problem | 19:07 |
| friese | Stskeeps: keeping some secrets from us? ;) | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | friese: it'd be clear if we moved to tizen, i'd be showing another company on linkedin | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:08 |
| taaem | ahjolinna: damn youre lucky... | 19:08 |
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| friese | damn, i haven't tried tizen since... humm, i think i never actually tried tizen :) | 19:09 |
| ahjolinna | nobody has | 19:09 |
| r0kk3rz | didnt they ship it on a phone? | 19:10 |
| ahjolinna | or will | 19:10 |
| r0kk3rz | which means someone must have | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | i have tried tizen | 19:10 |
| ahjolinna | and TV's | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's not bad | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's just | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | boring | 19:10 |
| ahjolinna | tizen is on samsung smart TV's and their latest smart watch | 19:10 |
| friese | i think i saw it on a smart watch once, but it wasn't that great | 19:10 |
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| ahjolinna | but who care about horrible samsung...they make crap hardware anyway...and crap software | 19:11 |
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| taaem | tizen... looks like their android stuff,... bad | 19:12 |
| friese | well,the consumer-products are not that great, but some of the components they produce (ssds, display-panels) are actually quite good | 19:12 |
| taaem | but the phones are from my personal point very bad designed and so is the software | 19:13 |
| ahjolinna | ssd hardware is good, but their firmware is horrible | 19:13 |
| taaem | touchwiz!!! | 19:13 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah samsung arent known for their amazing software | 19:13 |
| r0kk3rz | same with lg really | 19:13 |
| ahjolinna | and samsung displays are horrendous | 19:14 |
| taaem | I like Sony and the upcoming Xperia Z5 and Z5 Compact are looking actually good that their probably will run android... | 19:15 |
| friese | humm, i've got an samsung ips-panel in my thinkpad and it's really nice | 19:15 |
| r0kk3rz | how so ahjolinna? | 19:15 |
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| ahjolinna | the colors are always way to unnatural on samsung displays | 19:16 |
| friese | if you're talking about samsung-displays like some that are actually coming from samsung, then yeah | 19:17 |
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| friese | but i'm talking about the panels they deliver for other vendors like lenovo or dell | 19:17 |
| ahjolinna | TV's and phone/tablets | 19:17 |
| friese | i think i've even seen a eizo use samsung-panels once | 19:18 |
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| ahjolinna | I love Sony TV and phones/tablets..I think they give the best android experience what u can have | 19:20 |
| ahjolinna | I own now Xperia Z3+ | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | no doubt samsung sell monitors and tvs that actually dont include their display panels | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | such is globalised business | 19:20 |
| taaem | ahjolinna: and their also good with open sourcing i heard | 19:21 |
| ahjolinna | taaem: yeah: https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/ | 19:21 |
| taaem | One of their flagships with sailfish would be an awesome combo | 19:21 |
| friese | humm, sony tv's always looked kinda good, though i didn't care much about that ui | 19:21 |
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| ahjolinna | http://www.flashtool.net/ | 19:22 |
| r0kk3rz | ive been burnt one too many times by sony though | 19:22 |
| r0kk3rz | great company when they get things right though | 19:22 |
| ahjolinna | friese: Sony's new smart tv's use android tv nowdays...not sonys own thing | 19:22 |
| friese | but tbh. i dont like any of the current smart-tv operating systems (sadly not even webos, which i really loved when it was still running on phones), i much rather have my kodi media center :) | 19:23 |
| ahjolinna | I dont think I never had any problems with Sony | 19:23 |
| taaem | friese: so lets bring sailfish to smart tvs :D | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | never owned a ps3 then? | 19:23 |
| ahjolinna | friese: what about firefox? | 19:23 |
| ahjolinna | r0kk3rz: what about ps3? | 19:24 |
| friese | ahjolinna: haven't tried that yet (almost forgot about it too), was it panasonic or who uses that now? | 19:24 |
| friese | maybe i'll give that a try | 19:25 |
| ahjolinna | friese: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2015/05/14/first-panasonic-smart-tvs-powered-by-firefox-os-debut-worldwide/ | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | well, first it blew the blueray laser diode, then they took away the other OS functionality, then my PSN details got leaked in a massive hack | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | then finally it succumbed to a very common tin whisker problem like all my friends ones did | 19:25 |
| taaem | that is getting M$ right with the xbox | 19:25 |
| friese | i do have an unreasonable love for firefox on the desktop at least. firefox os is also not that bad, though i really don't like the ui/ux | 19:25 |
| * friese currently has an older nec tv which basically has a on/off-button and an displayport-input, all i could ask for :) | 19:26 | |
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| ahjolinna | r0kk3rz: is not sony's fault that something got hacked/leaked...what there isn't a system that can't be hacked....also if u had hardware problems ...well, only 5% had some hardware problems with ps3...when 40% of xbox360 users had problems | 19:28 |
| ahjolinna | and the linux support thing...who cares?...okay 0.1% did | 19:30 |
| kimmoli | i have sometimes wondered that my sony tv contains parts of Putty code, according to the usersmanual appendix of sw licenses... | 19:31 |
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| kimmoli | and this is kinda old-one. i can code some own widgets for it, run them from usb-stick | 19:32 |
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| ahjolinna | nice | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | ahjolinna: you may be right, but it still leaves a bitter taste | 19:32 |
| ahjolinna | your just maybe over sensitive | 19:33 |
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| ahjolinna | is sony perfect ...god no...but I think they give the best value for the money compare others | 19:34 |
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| Lieke | also rootkits | 19:35 |
| kimmoli | i stick to my rule on electronics, not buying anything made by company starting with P | 19:35 |
| friese | humm, why not? panasonic isn't that bad, also want to try out the phillips hue sometimess (though they're a bit pricey) | 19:37 |
| kimmoli | all philips brand things i have had, coffeemaker, clockradio, dvb-receiver went broken within 2-3 years | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | i quite liked my panasonic plasma tv | 19:39 |
| kimmoli | after two panasonic tv's i decided that enough of this | 19:40 |
| friese | damn, can't beat that... i think ive got an phillips mixer that broke after a year (got an blendtec then - that thing rocks) but my toaster is also phillips and... damn, i think its almost 20 years now :) | 19:40 |
| friese | and /me likes toast... a lot :) | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | well, 20years ago they made things that last. my bro just upgraded his philips microwave oven after 23 yrs. the problem was that wifi did not work when heating with it :O | 19:41 |
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| ahjolinna | yeah, those old ones are dangerous to your health | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | nothing wrong with a bit of ionising radiation | 19:44 |
| ahjolinna | yeah, who cares about cancer | 19:44 |
| kimmoli | watching online vods, no need to pause | 19:44 |
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| ahjolinna | and I'm waiting for my Final Fantasy XIV (mmorpg) to finish updating on my PS4...10gb-_- ...I really hope its the only update | 19:50 |
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| ahjolinna | btw. I got my PS4 MGS 5 edition today, 1 day before the actual release :D http://imgur.com/a/QDPPl | 20:10 |
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| urs | ahjolinna: phew... how are you going to get sailfishOS running on *that*? | 20:13 |
| silver_hook | How long is it normal for the screen to be blank after I run the updater? | 20:13 |
| urs | silver_hook: a couple of seconds. | 20:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | urs: if its anything like the ps3 it'll take them forever to hack the hypervisor | 20:14 |
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| silver_hook | It’s been over an hour already and the screen is blank (won’t wake up by tapping or pressing the power button), but the LED is white, whether the power cord is plugged in or not. | 20:15 |
| ahjolinna | r0kk3rz: well its x86 cpu not a cell one like in PS3, so it should be easier | 20:15 |
| ahjolinna | its amd APU | 20:15 |
| r0kk3rz | architecturally its a lot more mainstream thats for sure | 20:16 |
| r0kk3rz | but i do wonder what they've done to lock it down | 20:16 |
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| ahjolinna | unlike M$...Sony tweaked that APU a lot...and plus the 8gb gddr5 on PS4....according to AMD PS4 is almost 50% more powerful then xbox one | 20:17 |
| silver_hook | urs: Sooo, if it’s still blank, what am I to do? Power it off and on again or what? | 20:18 |
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| silver_hook | As I understand it, it should be still in the optimising phase. | 20:19 |
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| urs | ah. Well. *that* can take an hour or more, depending on how full your storage is. | 20:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | if its btrfs apparently that persists through reboots | 20:24 |
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| silver_hook | urs: …and blank screen (not waking up) and white LED sounds like it? | 20:26 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: You mean that even if I hard reset it, it shouldn’t suffer any damage? | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | i wouldnt say that | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | it is a filesystem operation after all | 20:27 |
| silver_hook | r0kk3rz: OK, so I’ll just wait it out for now. | 20:29 |
| r0kk3rz | that is best, there are reports of it literally taking days | 20:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | but still finishing | 20:30 |
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| Venemo_tbj | is that acceptable in a product? | 20:33 |
| flux | you thought you were buying a product? no, you silly goose, you were buying an adventure ;-) | 20:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | Venemo_tbj: whether you choose to accept it is up to you | 20:35 |
| silver_hook | flux: Hehe, so true, so true. | 20:35 |
| silver_hook | Although, I’m find this project almost more interesting: http://plasma-mobile.org/ | 20:36 |
| Venemo_tbj | okay | 20:37 |
| Venemo_tbj | was just a thought :P | 20:37 |
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| Venemo_tbj | anyway, btrfs was a huge disappointment for me | 20:37 |
| Venemo_tbj | it's slower than ext4, and is also buggy like hell | 20:37 |
| r0kk3rz | well stskeeps was going to work some voodoo and give us a path off btrfs | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe | 20:38 |
| Lieke | that would be great | 20:39 |
| r0kk3rz | if he can come up with one | 20:39 |
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| Venemo_tbj | the thing is, I loved btrfs while I believed it was gonna be faster | 20:39 |
| Venemo_tbj | that was until read an actual benchmark | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | the whole snapshot thing is pretty cool though | 20:41 |
| Venemo_tbj | indeed | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz | and decent compression | 20:41 |
| r0kk3rz | its a good idea, but a bit immature with the current kernel | 20:42 |
| Venemo_tbj | the you ran out of space even though you have lots of GB free is not so cool though | 20:42 |
| taaem | I like how they state on the plasma mobile website that it could eventually run Sailfish apps | 20:42 |
| r0kk3rz | i like that they state it can actually run ubuntu apps | 20:43 |
| r0kk3rz | which means maybe we can run ubuntu apps | 20:43 |
| Venemo_tbj | depends on what you mean by ubuntu apps... | 20:44 |
| r0kk3rz | they also mention nemo apps which is nice | 20:44 |
| Venemo_tbj | we can run any Qt app, not just ubuntu apps | 20:46 |
| Venemo_tbj | if someone bothers to compile gtkz then that too | 20:46 |
| Venemo_tbj | gtk+, I mean | 20:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | technically yes, with some/lots of rework required | 20:47 |
| Venemo_tbj | but the main thing isn't about compiling the toolkit... the main thing is fitting them into our UX, which is pretty hard work | 20:47 |
| Venemo_tbj | and possibly not worth the effort | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | and ubuntu is running qt5.4 not 5.2 | 20:48 |
| r0kk3rz | so if whatever it is needs the newer stuff, then rework | 20:48 |
| Venemo_tbj | they are binary compatible | 20:48 |
| Venemo_tbj | as long as you don't use the bew apis | 20:49 |
| Venemo_tbj | anyway... | 20:49 |
| Venemo_tbj | I hope they'll upgrade eventually | 20:49 |
| Venemo_tbj | Fedora already has 5.5 | 20:49 |
| r0kk3rz | eventually is the word for that | 20:49 |
| r0kk3rz | apparently in december qt are releasing a long life edition thing | 20:50 |
| Coolgeek | arch have 5.5 too | 20:50 |
| r0kk3rz | so it might be an idea to target that | 20:50 |
| silver_hook | Ubuntu mobile apps ar Qt | 20:50 |
| Venemo_tbj | meh | 20:51 |
| Venemo_tbj | I never understood why some people take pleasure from running archaic versions of software | 20:51 |
| Venemo_tbj | BB10 is still based on Qt 4 | 20:51 |
| silver_hook | BTW, did you guys see this? http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/kde/extrafiles/akademy/2015/videos/shashlik-dan-leinir-turthra_jensen-198.webm | 20:52 |
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| taaem | Its all about making a customer product where everything has to be stable and tested | 20:52 |
| silver_hook | Shashlik might replace AlienDalvik at some point. | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | and its also due to the amount of work putting in newer versions takes | 20:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | qt5.2 was a beast of a thing by all accounts | 20:53 |
| Venemo_tbj | heh. | 20:53 |
| taaem | the guys over at #sailfishos-porters are working on an Alien Dalvik replacement or at least they try | 20:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | its a problem worth solving, we know its possible | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | and lots of android source code is available | 20:54 |
| taaem | https://github.com/shashlik heres their gh | 20:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | i get the idea that its a long way off actually being useful yet | 21:09 |
| cristi | once again I ran into btrfs issues while attempting to update my jolla, which this time I had to fix by adding a temporary file from my sdcard to the filesystem | 21:09 |
| cristi | the disk was so full that I wasn't even able to delete existing files | 21:09 |
| cristi | (actually the metadata part, I had like 4GB of free data) | 21:10 |
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| silver_hook | leinir: There you are! (Your) Shashlik is being discussed. | 21:14 |
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