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| zutto | 679 in line for that o7 | 03:40 |
| arvut | good morning finland | 03:42 |
| arvut | has any of you kexec jumped with the jolla yet? I might testcandidate my own broken phone some day in the next-to-present, gonna play with it on x86 hardware for now | 03:45 |
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| TMavica | Hi | 07:33 |
| Stskeepz | moo TMavica | 07:34 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning | 07:36 |
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| TMavica | Good afternoon. I just wake by the way. Lol | 07:45 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | TMavica: morning then ;) | 07:48 |
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| TMavica | Still tired | 07:49 |
| SfietKonstantinW | same | 07:50 |
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| birdzhang | good afternoon XD | 07:51 |
| TMavica | My company just signed a contract with Finnair with maintainence in Hong Kong, long period with many job... | 07:52 |
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| TMavica | Wrong channel | 07:55 |
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| TMavica | So many google services running if alien dalvik enabled..it used 40% memory...going to uninstall it.. | 08:46 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | TMavica: my device is google services free | 08:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and I feel good | 08:56 |
| the_mgt | only pain is the lack of proper appstore | 08:57 |
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| the_mgt | manually pulling apks from the playstore page is a pita | 08:57 |
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| the_mgt | btw, how would I pull an apk for android 4.2? One of the packages I'd need is only 4.4 at the store atm | 08:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SfietKonstantinW, so you have 6 month old apps ? | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | proper appstore? the thing you're likely to get in the appstore are viruses :P | 08:59 |
| SfietKonstantinW | dr_gogeta86: I do not use Android apps much | 08:59 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and even 6 month old wechat works | 08:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | wechat isn't compiled with gapps inside else doesn't startup in china :-D | 08:59 |
| the_mgt | yes, that's what I meant. I distrust apotoid and without the play app, you have outdated apps (which does not matter much to me, most of the time) | 09:00 |
| the_mgt | yeah, luckily, most of my apps do not need the gservices stuff either | 09:00 |
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| citylight2 | does anyone have a working chrome on their jolla? | 09:13 |
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| birdzhang | not installed yet | 09:15 |
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| stephg | citylight2: I did have at one stage, it worked iirc | 09:34 |
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| citylight2 | stephg: where did you get the apk file from? | 09:53 |
| stephg | oh I have play services installed | 09:55 |
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| ggabriel | stephg: oh no, does that mean that you've been uploading all these conversations to none other than google?! | 09:55 |
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| stephg | jajajajaja | 09:57 |
| stephg | ;) | 09:57 |
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| TMavica | Any body got system_server process running when alien dalvaik enabled?? | 10:01 |
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| chem|st | TMavica: yes | 11:10 |
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| dv_ | is there any good reason why the image viewer cannot zoom arbitrarily? I cannot zoom photos beyond their original size | 12:19 |
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| ggabriel | dv_: isn't that the case with most mobile image viewers? | 12:21 |
| dv_ | it wasnt with the android one | 12:21 |
| ggabriel | i guess there's no point in zooming into 1 pixel or zooming out so that the picture fits in 1 pixel, so they put reasonable levels | 12:21 |
| dv_ | I generally configure viewers to scale images to fit the screen | 12:22 |
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| dv_ | a few days ago I wanted to zoom in on a detail on an image, but that didnt fly | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | i'm realizing that android may not come with an image viewer by default | 12:22 |
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| ggabriel | but at least the ios one did the same... you have top and bottom to zoom out/in | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | and that's it | 12:23 |
| dv_ | not exactly ideal | 12:23 |
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| ggabriel | ok, my android camera can't zoom in all the way | 12:23 |
| ggabriel | or zoom out | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | so, smae behaviour | 12:24 |
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| dv_ | I had an s3 before. so perhaps it was a samsung viewer | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | i guess if you zoom in up to original size (i.e., picture resolution = screen resolution), there's no point in going on? | 12:25 |
| dv_ | there is if I want to zoom in on details | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | esp in jolla's low res screen | 12:25 |
| dv_ | which I do every now and then | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | but they get pixelated | 12:25 |
| dv_ | not if it is a high-res photo | 12:25 |
| ggabriel | so you aren't zooming into details, you're pixelating | 12:25 |
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| ggabriel | ok, you said " I cannot zoom photos beyond their original size | 12:26 |
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| ggabriel | i understand that that's when res(pic)=res(screen) | 12:26 |
| TemeV | ggabriel: but sometimes the pixelated pic is better | 12:26 |
| TemeV | e.g. looking a detail from a longer distance | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | TemeV: when the girl is very ugly, yes | 12:26 |
| ggabriel | oh, sorry, you meant something else :P | 12:26 |
| TemeV | I mean, if you look the screen two meters away, you can't see it is pixelated | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | i agree that for edga cases it may be useful to zoom in/out infinitely | 12:27 |
| TemeV | currently you can't see anything beacause can't zoom in | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | just trying to explain some rationale behind the limits imposed | 12:27 |
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| dv_ | yeah, I understand. | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | but i can zoom in | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | not all the way | 12:27 |
| TemeV | yeah, there is kind of rationale for that | 12:28 |
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| ggabriel | you may even be able to turn that off via qml, you never know | 12:28 |
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| TemeV | but I'd still like to zoom in so that I see the pixels. Then I know there it can't be zoomed any more | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | maybe the best approach would be to be able to zoom in only a few levels in the same gesture | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | and then again in another gesture | 12:29 |
| dv_ | yeah that sounds good | 12:29 |
| ggabriel | so you don't accidentally do one gesture and end up looking at a single pixel worth of picture | 12:29 |
| dv_ | ggabriel: one example: a photo made by a friend, and in the background, there was a sign. we wanted to see what it says. zooming in gives us a grainy pixelated image, but we are able to discern what the sign is saying. | 12:30 |
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| dv_ | unfortunately, in real life, we dont have csi enhance buttons :) | 12:30 |
| Helle | dv_: well, we have to some degree | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | ok, it doesn't stop at original size | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | it stops after a few levels | 12:31 |
| Helle | dv_: but yeah, hardly as good as CSI :) | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | so really high res pics can't be seen in detail | 12:31 |
| ggabriel | pics taken with the jolla camera are ok tho | 12:31 |
| dv_ | Helle: jolla needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5wfJXLOSzw :D | 12:31 |
| dv_ | ggabriel: I like the idea with the limit-per-gesture | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | there's a disadvantage tho dv_ | 12:32 |
| dv_ | I suppose with gesture you mean pinch-zoom? | 12:32 |
| ggabriel | you have to zoom all the way out to be able to swipe/access pulley/etc | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | dv_: i mean pinch-zoom indeed | 12:33 |
| dv_ | yes, true | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | maybe you can long tap | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | i dunno | 12:33 |
| dv_ | isnt this the case with all image viewers on smartphones tho? | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | challenge for the ux | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | open a tjc :) | 12:33 |
| dv_ | alright | 12:33 |
| ggabriel | well, but that disadvantage justifies the limitation somewhat | 12:33 |
| dv_ | also, second (and more serious): I installed the EZ file explorer from aptoide, tried to copy files over samba, | 12:34 |
| dv_ | and as it turns out, I cannot access them | 12:34 |
| dv_ | something to do with permissions. apparently, the files are owned by a different user. | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | erm, i'm not sure how well alien dalvik accesses the network | 12:34 |
| ggabriel | that sounds like a problem in your server really | 12:34 |
| dv_ | no I mean locally, on the flash memory | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | but i don't use samba so i can't comment much really | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | you mean an android application copying files into the sd card? | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | (is that even possible? :P ) | 12:35 |
| dv_ | I'll try to replicate | 12:36 |
| dv_ | in Downloads/: normal files: user nemo group privileged | 12:37 |
| dv_ | the one I copied: user 10016 group 10016 | 12:38 |
| dv_ | (I am logged in ssh) | 12:38 |
| Yaniel | 10016 is probably dalvik | 12:38 |
| dv_ | as a result, I can't even delete these files | 12:38 |
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| Yaniel | devel-su chown | 12:39 |
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| dv_ | Yaniel: hah, didnt know about devel-su. thanks | 12:50 |
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| chrisXYZ | i not shure what to buy? a jolla or a ubuntu phone. why do u prefer jolla? | 14:08 |
| tadzik | I bought jolla when ubuntu wasn't a thing yet, so no strong opinions really | 14:08 |
| tadzik | a friend of mine bought ubuntu phone do, and his experience is far worse than my experience with jolla :) | 14:08 |
| urs | because the company is sitting in the city I live in, and it's good knowing that if they screw up, I can go there and slap them. :) | 14:09 |
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| chrisXYZ | :) | 14:09 |
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| ggabriel | same as tadzik ubuntu wasn't a thing, but i would probably not go with them as i don't like desktop ubuntu | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | and the ui is too complex | 14:11 |
| ggabriel | they do have loads of gestures, which is good, but there were too many overlaying menus "a la" android when i saw it | 14:11 |
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| chrisXYZ | con i run software like sshd or a webserver? is there a repository for this king of stuff? | 14:12 |
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| ggabriel | well, it comes with sshd | 14:12 |
| chrisXYZ | s/king/kind/g | 14:12 |
| ggabriel | and you can run anything that's linux - some things come with it, some others are compiled by the community and available in openrepos for example | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | ulitmately, you can compile yourself | 14:13 |
| chrisXYZ | do u have a link for those openrepos | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | i expect that ubuntu is the same though, otherwise they'd have lost all my respect | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | openrepos.net | 14:13 |
| ggabriel | it comes with a native client too | 14:14 |
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| ggabriel | if only i could remember the name | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | i know custodian makes it | 14:14 |
| ggabriel | warehouse, that's it | 14:14 |
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| chrisXYZ | ggabriel: thx, for the link to openrepo, looks good. | 14:22 |
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| citylight2 | how to use to with statements is debian/rules dh ? | 16:36 |
| citylight2 | I ment to write dh --with python2 --with systemd | 16:36 |
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| pdanek | Do you guys know any proven service which can resend the products from snapdeal internationally? | 17:27 |
| pdanek | There must be some Indian company doing it. | 17:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | you really want an intex phone huh pdanek | 17:45 |
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| pdanek | r0kk3rz: pretty much anything out there must be stronger HW than Jolla | 17:46 |
| pdanek | so I want some Sailfish phone | 17:46 |
| attah | don't forget a fresh battery :) | 17:47 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla hw isnt so bad | 17:48 |
| pdanek | it's really lowend phone at this point | 17:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | still the highest-end phone ive ever had | 17:49 |
| pdanek | newest Chinese top models are getting 4G memory | 17:49 |
| pdanek | I don't say I need 4G memory | 17:49 |
| pdanek | but 2G would help a lot | 17:49 |
| pdanek | I do have memory problems on Sailfish a lot | 17:49 |
| attah | it shouldn't have to be.. it's just that some things are so very demanding for no obvious reason | 17:49 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: :) | 17:49 |
| chem|st | sailfish runs smoother on this hardware than android on 700eur phones | 17:50 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah comparing tech specs with android is like comparing android specs with an iphone | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | they're completely different beasts | 17:51 |
| attah | chem|st: until you run in to certain javascript-heavy websites i don't disagree with you | 17:51 |
| pdanek | chem|st: no it doesn't | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but i am keen to see some reviews of the intex phone once it surfaces | 17:51 |
| pdanek | I bought cheap 150 eur android phone as temporary solution (but now back with Jolla) and it was superfast | 17:52 |
| chem|st | pdanek: at least my 300eur phone is way slower than jolla, and any other android I know | 17:52 |
| pdanek | octacore mediatek, 2G memory | 17:52 |
| pdanek | and really smooth | 17:52 |
| chem|st | pdanek: with those 700eur phones you pay the name | 17:53 |
| chem|st | the china imports for 80eur are usually as fast | 17:53 |
| pdanek | yep | 17:53 |
| pdanek | and mediatek is really good deal | 17:53 |
| pdanek | If Jolla wants to fight markets like China, Russia, India and go with cheap price, I don't understand why Qualcomm is reference platform and not Mediatek | 17:54 |
| chem|st | and still, frozen apps all over, with 15 apps frozen in bg, loading taskmanager takes ages | 17:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | except their sources are harder to get than even qualcomm | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | fairphone1 shipped with a mediatek, and basically you're stuck with the stock system because nobody can build anything for it | 17:55 |
| pdanek | oh | 17:55 |
| pdanek | well | 17:55 |
| pdanek | I just want my Intex soon | 17:55 |
| pdanek | as temporary relieve | 17:55 |
| pdanek | until we get some flagship monster | 17:55 |
| pdanek | I want flagship monster haha | 17:55 |
| pdanek | Ubuntu has it, why can't we | 17:55 |
| pdanek | Because Meizu MX4 with Ubuntu Touch is quite good phone | 17:56 |
| locusf | is mx4 flagship? | 17:56 |
| pdanek | It was | 17:56 |
| pdanek | not it's old | 17:56 |
| locusf | n6, g4 are | 17:56 |
| pdanek | I do hope MX5 will be released with Ubuntu too | 17:56 |
| pdanek | Have you seen Meizu MX5? | 17:56 |
| pdanek | It's beast | 17:56 |
| * attah just wants N9 build quality | 17:56 | |
| pdanek | for great price | 17:56 |
| locusf | nope | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | pdanek: ubuntu also uses libhybris, buy an MX4 and run sailfish on it | 17:57 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: is everything going to work? | 17:57 |
| locusf | can't | 17:57 |
| locusf | locked bootloader so no mer kernel | 17:57 |
| locusf | afaik | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | whaaaaat | 17:57 |
| locusf | ah no | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | ffs | 17:58 |
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| locusf | faenil said the european ones are unlocked | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | i figured it was a case of 'nobody has tried it yet' | 17:58 |
| pdanek | I'm not NeoFreerunner type of hacker who will spend my life by trying to run Sailfish on some phone | 17:58 |
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| locusf | well that too | 17:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | pdanek: you wont need to spend your life, maybe a little while though | 18:02 |
| locusf | heheh | 18:03 |
| pdanek | r0kk3rz: and coming sailfish upgrades will break shit again? | 18:03 |
| pdanek | and again spending time | 18:03 |
| locusf | it has taken me 5 months to get even graphics on a device | 18:03 |
| pdanek | I want "just works" solution | 18:03 |
| pdanek | :) | 18:03 |
| pdanek | so Sailfish on phone out of the box | 18:04 |
| locusf | yeah no ota on hadk devices (yet) | 18:04 |
| pdanek | Is dirklv having plans to continue with TOHKBD project? | 18:11 |
| pdanek | Like if there will be new Sailfish device with TOH, possibly 3rd generation of TOH? | 18:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pdanek: will there be new sailfish device with TOH ? | 18:16 |
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| locusf | 3rd? | 18:23 |
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| pdanek | locusf: yes, current TOHKBD is 2nd version | 18:36 |
| pdanek | Sfiet_Konstantin: Stskeeps advised me to keep my TOHKBD, so I just hope he knows something we don't know | 18:38 |
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| Nicd- | pdanek: afaik dirkvl has no plans for a new TOHKBD | 18:49 |
| Nicd- | but if there is a new device, you never know | 18:49 |
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| chem|st | intex looks like TOH | 18:58 |
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| pdanek | chem|st: it does | 18:59 |
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| Sail0r | https://simbimbo.wordpress.com/2015/07/24/well-im-at-it-again-this-time-with-macbook-pros/ | 19:02 |
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| pdanek | Sail0r: why would anyone do this? | 19:07 |
| Sail0r | I don't know | 19:07 |
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| pdanek | What do you guys think of Windows 10? Released today, anyone installed it yet? | 19:13 |
| Sail0r | it's still a bit crappy | 19:13 |
| Sail0r | especially the "I automatically install drivers even if you don't want them and they don't work" | 19:14 |
| pdanek | :D | 19:14 |
| Yaniel | turns out getting rid of the tech preview is a PITA | 19:15 |
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| locusf | http://abload.de/img/windows1034ktx.jpg <- tells quite well what crap it is | 19:15 |
| pdanek | :D | 19:16 |
| Yaniel | pretty sure half of that is specific to the insider preview | 19:16 |
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| pdanek | I like the idea that W10 is last Windows and from now, it will be rolling upgrades. | 19:18 |
| pdanek | I like rolling OSes. | 19:18 |
| pdanek | Fedora should have long ago switched to rolling releases. | 19:18 |
| Sail0r | most of these screenshots are from the tech previews @ locusf | 19:19 |
| locusf | well anyways | 19:23 |
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| Sail0r | and with the ms account | 19:25 |
| Sail0r | nobody blames apple for doing the same with osx | 19:25 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 19:25 |
| locusf | yeah and google with its things | 19:26 |
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| pdanek | Everyone is using Gmail. | 19:51 |
| pdanek | Even lots of security paranoids out there. | 19:52 |
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| flux | well, it's been claimed that in fact it might be a good idea to have your domain administrative contact at google, as it's difficult to get access of | 19:53 |
| flux | for unauthorized party that is | 19:53 |
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| pdanek | Why it isn't recommended to install Google Play and Google Play Services? | 20:12 |
| pdanek | How can it hurt or break Sailfish? | 20:12 |
| pdanek | Becuase I had it for years without problems. | 20:13 |
| pdanek | Yet Jolla strongly recommends not to install it. | 20:13 |
| Nicd- | pdanek: because it's unsupported by both Jolla and Google | 20:17 |
| Nicd- | and knowing google you might put your account at risk of banning | 20:17 |
| Nicd- | also at least earlier you had to download gapps from some 3rd party site | 20:18 |
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| pdanek | Nicd-: oh ok | 20:24 |
| pdanek | so nothing serious from technical point of view | 20:24 |
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| dv_ | <pdanek> so nothing serious from technical point of view | 21:50 |
| pdanek | dv: ? | 21:51 |
| dv_ | perhaps not, but getting banned by google and/or receiving a potentially hacked gapps version is a big deal | 21:51 |
| pdanek | was anyone banned yet? | 21:51 |
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| pdanek | the chance of being banned seems so small like getting hit by car | 21:53 |
| pdanek | so I'm not going to stop crossing the road and making my life difficult | 21:53 |
| pdanek | same with google play, why should I avoid using it and make my life difficult by for example getting apps like Internet banking as standalone apks (potentially hacked) | 21:53 |
| phlixi | doesnt you bank has a wes site? | 21:54 |
| phlixi | in my opinion its the only pro argument for sailfish, that you do NOT depend on google /apple | 21:55 |
| phlixi | if you install playstore, you could go with android in the first place | 21:55 |
| phlixi | there is actually no reason to go with jolla then | 21:55 |
| r0kk3rz | thats not true, theres plenty of reason | 21:56 |
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| dv_ | phlixi: there is always this one app which has no sailfish equivalent. if most of the other stuff is covered by the sailfish apps, and just this one has to be an android one, I see no problem | 21:57 |
| r0kk3rz | i like having an open hackable device, i also like to use a few things that need GPS | 21:57 |
| phlixi | its unreliable, comparable expensive, alpha on all ends, lacks features and apps. android and apple are just in another dimension in terms of quality etc... its just that tiny little thingy, that you have to use either google or apple. | 21:58 |
| phlixi | then if you install google services (always reminds me on brazil), you could as well take android | 21:58 |
| phlixi | dont get me wrong, i still prefer the jolla, and buy every single f*cking crap they spit out, to help keep them alive | 21:59 |
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| phlixi | except those 200EUR batteries witha useless phone attached :-) | 22:00 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 22:01 |
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| Yaniel | tbh a fairer comparison would be jolla vs iphone 1 when it came out | 22:02 |
| Yaniel | or the first android phones | 22:02 |
| phlixi | dv_: yes, for example, i use exactly one apk. it happens, that my peers all use threema. guess what? they sell it on their website for people without gplay :-) | 22:02 |
| phlixi | Yaniel: not for someone who does not care about privacy (or for what ever resons you do not like google/apple). for them they can now decide to get a moto G, or a jolla. not an iphone (although i understand what you mean by comparing to iphone1, i do not accept this as an argument^^) | 22:03 |
| Yaniel | sure | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | even without accounting for pirvacy, the app ecosystem hasn't exactly had time to mature yet | 22:04 |
| phlixi | if i compare to n900 and n9, it seems to me it wont get bigger, its getting smaller every time | 22:05 |
| phlixi | also the n900 was actually comparable to the then actual iphone, it was even a little bit ahead in some aspects | 22:06 |
| phlixi | n9 much less | 22:06 |
| phlixi | jolla nothing | 22:06 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah yeah we know already | 22:07 |
| phlixi | allthou jolla seems less dead then n9 after a year, and jolla is actualy for a bit longer available already | 22:07 |
| phlixi | however, has someone an idea what i might have had done in order to no longer get notifications for calender? | 22:08 |
| phlixi | its weird, there is no notification at all for calender items | 22:09 |
| phlixi | i can not think of that i disabled that and can not find whree i can turn them on again | 22:09 |
| phlixi | any ideas? | 22:09 |
| phlixi | :-( | 22:12 |
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| phlixi | wow | 22:37 |
| phlixi | this actally wasnt even implemented | 22:37 |
| phlixi | ...according to https://together.jolla.com/question/433/calendar-notification/ it is now, but i can not find how to activate it | 22:38 |
| phlixi | it seems like this is not possible (and of course the part is closed source) wow | 22:43 |
| phlixi | not even a freaking calendar on the phone. | 22:44 |
| phlixi | thats ridiculus | 22:44 |
| phlixi | (and no Yaniel thats not even compareable to iphone1 or g1) | 22:44 |
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| phlixi | and even if we go the "we compare it to iphone1" route (which i think is not viable, as explained above) we actually have to compare it to iphone2 or iphone 3g, since we already have like 10 updates and 18months later | 22:48 |
| phlixi | ...not a freaking calender... | 22:49 |
| phlixi | gn8 | 22:49 |
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| pdanek | It's because N900 was Nokia and it was bought by many people who had no clue about Maemo. | 23:13 |
| pdanek | Jolla is bought only by fans and those few fans can't drive app ecosystem. | 23:13 |
| pdanek | On N900, I actualy didn't miss Android apps that much. | 23:14 |
| pdanek | On Jolla it was first thing I started to install wen I got it. | 23:14 |
| keithzg | Well, the world has also changed a lot since then. | 23:14 |
| keithzg | There weren't as many decent Android apps at the time; for instance during the N900 era, no podcasting client could come close to touching gPodder. | 23:14 |
| pdanek | I still miss N900 times. | 23:15 |
| keithzg | These days since I'm sadly relegated to Android for various practical purposes (predominantly "my Jolla can't talk to my cellular provider", heh) I've noticed that those equivalent apps are much better. AntennaPod is downright good, even. | 23:15 |
| pdanek | N900 release was most amazing phone release to date | 23:15 |
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| keithzg | I think the N9 compares in many ways there. To this day I've arguably yet to hold a more beautiful phone in my hand. | 23:16 |
| pdanek | N9 was superugly to me | 23:16 |
| pdanek | :D | 23:16 |
| keithzg | And the implementation of active notifications is still somewhat superior to anything in existence. | 23:16 |
| keithzg | Well, to each their own! | 23:16 |
| pdanek | I prefer the boxy feel of N900, I'm ThinkPad fan anyway | 23:17 |
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| keithzg | Well, I'm kindof with you there. I love the N9, but most other "sleek" phones feel like they're just . . . boring and unassertive. | 23:17 |
| keithzg | My laptop is a Chromebook Pixel, which is awesomely boxy. | 23:17 |
| keithzg | (the original gen, that is; Google isn't selling the current gen Pixel in Canada. Hell, almost all the devices I would want aren't being sold to Canada! The Jolla Tablet is literally going to be the first in years that I can get officially, which is kindof crazy.) | 23:19 |
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| pdanek | I just hope for zero-design Intex phone | 23:19 |
| pdanek | I hate anything which has no purpose (design) | 23:20 |
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| keithzg | I'm not personally as . . . autistic :P but there's definitely a beauty in design that stems from functionality. That's actually one of the things I love about the N9, because the curvature of it actually serves a purpose with the swipe-based navigation. And I love my Das Keyboard, which is just a normal key layout with no frills and no useless key lables even :) | 23:23 |
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| keithzg | I wish there were more phones like that one Japanese FirefoxOS phone where the shell was clear so the electronics were on display. | 23:23 |
| pdanek | oh ya, that Japanese FFOS is gorgeous | 23:25 |
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| pdanek | but I wonder is the plastic duralbility can be achieved the same with clear plastic | 23:26 |
| keithzg | Sadly you're probably right. | 23:26 |
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