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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning | 07:38 |
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| chem|st | o/ | 07:39 |
| locusf | good morning | 07:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | locusf, huaw | 07:40 |
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| birdzhang | morning | 07:43 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | isn't /usr/sbin/btrfs balance start -dusage 50 / too much | 07:58 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | on my phone never gone over 45% without problems | 07:59 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 08:25 |
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| birdzhang | hi | 08:26 |
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| Nokius | Hi | 09:44 |
| Nokius | is the store borcken in 1.1.7.25? or is the backend under load? | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | fwiw, my store works in 1.1.6 | 09:45 |
| ShadowJK | store was acting up for me most of yesterday | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | i didn't even get an update notification - is this ga now or ea? | 09:46 |
| Nokius | if I open It it shows left corner Store no pull menu? | 09:47 |
| Nokius | sailor around? | 09:47 |
| Tofe | 12:48 in .fi, likely that many sailors are eating :) | 09:48 |
| zutto | the hq lunchplace seemed quite empty today | 09:50 |
| zutto | there was just 3 other people eating when we went there at 1100 | 09:50 |
| * Nokius checking what going on | 09:50 | |
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| Nokius | mh store-client via cli fails to start | 09:52 |
| Nokius | jornal is not helpfull | 09:55 |
| arvut | zutto: 1100 is always too early to eat\ | 09:57 |
| zutto | well, i come in at 0600, so not for me | 09:57 |
| ggabriel | zutto: +1, it's never too early to eat | 09:58 |
| TemeV | 1100 is just perfect time when coming in at 0800 | 09:58 |
| arvut | due to early sunlight? | 09:58 |
| zutto | no traffic, free parking spaces in ruoholahti available, and i get to leave early | 09:58 |
| zutto | so, i always ;P | 09:58 |
| ggabriel | also, no queue in lunch places | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | fresh food | 09:59 |
| arvut | and that would be finnish for elevator? | 09:59 |
| arvut | or escalator? | 09:59 |
| zutto | ggabriel: these places are filled at 11am | 09:59 |
| zutto | so you have to time in at 1059 ;P | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | damn | 09:59 |
| zutto | especially at the bebop at the jolla hq | 09:59 |
| ggabriel | i get very grumpy if i have to wait too long for lunch | 09:59 |
| zutto | since some of the employees cheat on the line | 09:59 |
| zutto | and dont go trought the normal route | 09:59 |
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| zutto | arvut: what did you think was elevator/escalator btw? | 10:01 |
| TemeV | 11 is quite good time for lunch in student restaurants because lectures end at 12 | 10:01 |
| TemeV | queues show up around 11:40 | 10:02 |
| Nokius | can some check with 1.1.7.25 if the client works? thanks | 10:03 |
| TemeV | Have to install it first | 10:03 |
| Sailor-2gether | my store client works | 10:04 |
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| birdzhang | my store client works too | 10:04 |
| Nokius | are on 1.1.7.25 | 10:05 |
| Sail0r | yep | 10:05 |
| arvut | zutto: no, I get it, its the lunch area, dininghall or whatever. ruoholahti | 10:06 |
| Nokius | odd | 10:06 |
| Sail0r | installing and deinstalling works too | 10:07 |
| TemeV | ok, now I'm on 1.1.7.25, works fine | 10:07 |
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| Nokius | all I see is JollaStore::tryConnect:178 - void JollaStore::tryConnect() Already authorizing. | 10:08 |
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| Sail0r | sounds like smth hangs | 10:09 |
| Nokius | Sail0r: smth? | 10:09 |
| Sail0r | something | 10:09 |
| Nokius | :) | 10:10 |
| Nokius | sure | 10:10 |
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| Nokius | lets try turn off an on :D | 10:11 |
| Nokius | looks better, load takes still long but it works now wondering what was wrong | 10:14 |
| Nokius | but I'm not alone https://together.jolla.com/question/102389/11724-cant-install-updates-or-new-apps-from-jolla-store-or-update-to-11725/ | 10:15 |
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| Tofe | zutto: finn people cheating on a queue? Gosh, what has Finland become? | 10:46 |
| zutto | yeah well, its occasionally quite annoying | 10:47 |
| zutto | you're in line, 3 before you.. and suddenly they all join the one that is before you and theres 15 people infront of you ;P | 10:47 |
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| Nokius | reboot removes the old logs :,( | 10:59 |
| TemeV | Nokius: you can change them to be permanent | 11:00 |
| Nokius | TemeV: sure but for the current issue I not able to provied logs :( | 11:01 |
| TemeV | yeah, of course | 11:01 |
| TemeV | but you could now change it, so next time you have logs :) | 11:02 |
| TemeV | which reminds me, I have to check if os update resets that setting | 11:03 |
| Nokius | :) | 11:08 |
| Nokius | next time I will dump before rebooting :) | 11:09 |
| Nokius | btw. which file is a ggod indicatore when the update was made for big update I do screenshots but last night I didn't :( | 11:09 |
| Yaniel | the changelog of sailfishos-version? | 11:10 |
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| Nokius | Yaniel: loaction :) thx | 11:13 |
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| birdzhang | how to improve QtMultimedia SoundEffect volume ? I use SoundEffect in qml,the volume is very small | 11:29 |
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| birdzhang | set SoundEffect.volume:1.0 also sound very small | 11:30 |
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| Oni_ | set it to 2.5 | 12:03 |
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| birdzhang | max is 1.0, can set to 2.5? | 12:04 |
| birdzhang | :o | 12:04 |
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| birdzhang | wow,it works | 12:05 |
| birdzhang | thank you Oni_ | 12:07 |
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| Zombywuf | Hi, I'm wondering if there's any way to interact with the text message service on the Jolla phone programatically | 13:55 |
| Zombywuf | i.e. I want to read my text messages, with a bonus of being able to send them | 13:56 |
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| tbr | Zombywuf: I'm sure there is. it's all telepathy and foo. if you want to see open source code that does this, look at the nemomobile messages application (it's a drop in replacement for the sailfish thing) | 14:04 |
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| Zombywuf | tbr: Thanks | 14:07 |
| Zombywuf | I've found an app called qmlmessages but the code seems rather spartan | 14:07 |
| tbr | could be it | 14:08 |
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| Zombywuf | Hmmm, looks like there's a second thing qml-plugin-messages that actually does the work | 14:09 |
| locusf | the problem is that only one app at a time can communicate with the telepathy messaging of sms's | 14:09 |
| locusf | consult TemeV and SfietKonstantinW about this | 14:09 |
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| TemeV | Zombywuf: reading messages is "easy". You should be able to use libcommhistory to read old messages or create telepathy observer client to listen for incoming messages | 14:54 |
| TemeV | which ever is the thing you need | 14:55 |
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| TemeV | about sending messags I'm not sure, SfietKonstantinW is indeed looking in to the matter also, because he needs to send message from his app also | 14:56 |
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| Zombywuf | Ah, libcommhistory sounds like what i want | 14:57 |
| Zombywuf | Thanks | 14:58 |
| TemeV | by the way, there is a cli way to send sms, but then it doesn't show up in jolla-messages. If that is acceptable | 14:59 |
| TemeV | I think there is something about that somewhere in tmo | 14:59 |
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| Zombywuf | Cool, I mainly want to have a play around with it | 15:00 |
| Zombywuf | Long term goal is some sort of remotely accesible SMS gateway | 15:00 |
| Zombywuf | (unless such a thing exists already) | 15:00 |
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| TemeV | Zombywuf: sounds cool | 15:10 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I will explore sending message soon | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | but not now | 15:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | waiting for new release API (to use C++11) | 15:11 |
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| * Nokius anyone knows the reason why 1.1.7.25 had a different size from user to user? read that 1MB 3 MB 6MB even 25MB of size | 15:58 | |
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| ggabriel | update size depends on the packages that you have installed me thinks | 16:04 |
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| kimmoli | is there store issues or is it just me? | 18:14 |
| kimmoli | cant install/update anything | 18:14 |
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| r0kk3rz | me too kimmoli | 18:22 |
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| TemeV | Let's try | 18:24 |
| TemeV | Seems to be stuck in "Waiting" when I try to install Pitot | 18:24 |
| TemeV | And it failed | 18:25 |
| kimmoli | ok, so backend issues, not me | 18:25 |
| TemeV | seems that way | 18:25 |
| kimmoli | kontio: ^ ? | 18:25 |
| IZh | Yaniel: I asked Wacom about driver. It's legal to download it free and install to any number of devices (of course for purpose of using together with Wacom tablets.) The different case is a bundled software. | 18:29 |
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| Yaniel | thanks, I was going to email them about it | 18:32 |
| Yaniel | still, they should use a different eula for drivers | 18:33 |
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| pdanek | Anyone else can't wait for Intex? | 18:40 |
| pdanek | If we can get TOH-compatible device with some Qualcomm 60X, 2G ram and better camera, what else to ask for. | 18:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pdanek: I ask for a T A B L E T !!! | 18:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 18:41 |
| TemeV | pdanek: that they changed btrfs to something sane :) | 18:41 |
| TemeV | and also ability to flash the device would be nice | 18:42 |
| TemeV | Tablet would be nice also | 18:42 |
| pdanek | TemeV: I was speaking about device, not OS, OS is now separate division. | 18:42 |
| TemeV | pdanek: well, filesystem is kind of part of the device since it can't be changed, at least on Jolla | 18:43 |
| locusf | you probably couls if you patched the initrd to mount eg ext4 instead of btrfs | 18:44 |
| TemeV | probably | 18:44 |
| tabasko_ | what would be best way to get dictionary from WorkerScript (js) to QML? | 18:48 |
| tabasko_ | I have tried to create ListModel on QML, fill it on WorkerScript but it seems to stay empty | 18:49 |
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| tabasko_ | for example | 18:50 |
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| tabasko_ | msg.postRepliesModel.append({"key": ["123","321"]}); | 18:50 |
| tabasko_ | msg.postRepliesModel.sync() | 18:51 |
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| tabasko_ | how I can access that dict from QML? :) | 18:51 |
| cb400f | pdanek: do snapdeal ship to western europe? | 18:52 |
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| tabasko_ | !topic | 18:57 |
| merbot | tabasko_: Official sites: http://www.jolla.com , http://twitter.com/JollaHQ - for customer care, https://jolla.zendesk.com | Co-creation @ http://together.jolla.com (bugs, ideas, etc) | Community offerings: http://forum.jollausers.com , http://elinux.org/Jolla , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=52 , http://talk.maemo.org/forumdisplay.php?f=56 | Logs @ http://bit.ly/JIcRDm | 18:57 |
| r0kk3rz | id be very surprised to see the intex phone get shipped outside of india | 18:58 |
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| pdanek | 2rd party worldwide shipping companies are always an option. | 19:04 |
| pdanek | 3rd* | 19:04 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure there are ways and means of getting one | 19:05 |
| r0kk3rz | but not with warranty/support/etc | 19:05 |
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| kimmoli | well, if it really has TOH support, would need one for checking that all works... | 19:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | jolla might be nice to you in that case kimmoli | 19:17 |
| r0kk3rz | but you would hope that toh support means just that, same software, same i2c/nfc interface | 19:19 |
| kimmoli | well, i doubt the gpio67 will be gpio67 in other hw. never know though | 19:20 |
| r0kk3rz | true, maybe we find out | 19:23 |
| kimmoli | also e.g. chargemon uses some dedicated sysfs paths like pm8038-core/pm8921-charger | 19:26 |
| pdanek | You must keep the hype alive. | 19:30 |
| pdanek | Believe! | 19:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | you'd have to deal with that on a per-device basis? sounds ugly | 19:31 |
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| kimmoli | well, if the values would be available in other place... | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | atleast while coding it, that was only i could find | 19:40 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2015/07/28/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology | 19:50 |
| r0kk3rz | this sounds too good to be true | 19:50 |
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| kimmoli | "comparison between 3D XPoint technology and other industry NAND" ... | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | but 128gb on a single chip? yes thanks | 19:57 |
| sharpneli | If it indeed is as fast as they say it can replace DRAM in many applications | 19:58 |
| sharpneli | So it'll be just cache + that | 19:58 |
| kimmoli | 128 Gbits... | 19:59 |
| kimmoli | depends is it marketing b or... | 19:59 |
| sharpneli | True | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah well, its a press release, its all marketing | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | until its actually in something you can buy | 20:00 |
| kimmoli | well, micron site did not have anything else.. | 20:01 |
| r0kk3rz | but if it lives up to even half of those claims, thats fairly significant | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | and i see no reason why intel needs to exaggerate | 20:02 |
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| sharpneli | Yeah. They're already winning in so many fronts. | 20:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | if it was anyone else, id go "psssh, ill believe it when i see it", but its *Intel* | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | intel-micron JV | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | they had the 3D NAND earlier this year, which stacks MLC/TLC dies in 32 layer structure, but it just gained more bytes/chip. | 20:15 |
| kimmoli | so maybe this 3D-XPoint is continuum for that | 20:16 |
| kimmoli | using variable voltage for addressing sounds .. error-sensitive | 20:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah AMD have their HBM stacked dram thing as well | 20:17 |
| sharpneli | The sad part about the HBM is that it has pretty much the same latency as GDDR5 :( | 20:17 |
| sharpneli | 60-70ns | 20:17 |
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| kimmoli | hmm, previous 3D-NAND samplig Q3-2015 | 20:19 |
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| pdanek | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/182096-ibm-demonstrates-next-gen-phase-change-memory-thats-up-to-275-times-faster-than-your-ssd | 20:20 |
| IZh | Yaniel: agreed. http://forum.wacom.eu/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24819 | 20:20 |
| kimmoli | 90nm micron PCM process... | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | and that was year ago. afaik micron has already discontinued all >45nm processes. | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | which kinda sucks in my case... 28nm stuff, even SLC, is not so robust as old good dies | 20:23 |
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| arvut | hey, why does `ifconfig wlan0 up` not work after I change ether to custom value? (via `ifconfig wlan0 hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx`). I get "Operation not possible due to RF-kill"? | 22:05 |
| arvut | I was doing this on my n9 all the time | 22:05 |
| arvut | and what is rf-kill? | 22:06 |
| the_mgt | rf-kill means your device is turned off by the rf switch (Which can be in software, too) | 22:08 |
| the_mgt | on old laptops, you had a hardware switch for the wifi card | 22:08 |
| the_mgt | most of the time, it was only a hardware trigger for a software "switch" and there should be a command line tool call rfswitch or rfkill or the like | 22:09 |
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| arvut | ah yeah | 22:10 |
| arvut | altho that is not available in devel-su prompt, rfcomm is though | 22:11 |
| the_mgt | but i am totally clueless what the connection to sailfish or an N9 might be, just talking from memory | 22:11 |
| the_mgt | rfcomm is something different, iirc. related to bluetooth | 22:11 |
| arvut | k | 22:11 |
| arvut | well, no rf-kill or rfkill on the prompt from fingerterm, I can find it in gentoo repos tho :) | 22:12 |
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| the_mgt | yeah, I used it on gentoo | 22:13 |
| the_mgt | thought it was some generell thing. there should be a kernel module or the like and you should find something under /proc | 22:13 |
| the_mgt | the tool just switched stuff under /proc | 22:13 |
| the_mgt | like echo'ing 0 or 1 | 22:13 |
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| arvut | ah | 22:17 |
| arvut | so I could manually echo the value to proc and it would do what the program does? | 22:17 |
| arvut | if I know what I'm doing that is | 22:17 |
| the_mgt | exactly | 22:18 |
| the_mgt | find /proc -name *kill* | 22:18 |
| the_mgt | could help | 22:18 |
| arvut | the_mgt: the problem is: I can turn on and off wlan0 via ifconfig, but can't turn it on with new MAC address | 22:18 |
| arvut | is that due to some lockdown of last used MAC? | 22:18 |
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| the_mgt | I do not have the slightest clue. last time I changed a MAC was on an ethernet card via some tool that flashed the device | 22:19 |
| arvut | wow, so you changed factory setting permanently then? | 22:20 |
| arvut | cause a simple reboot after ifconfig-method and it will be back to normal, or just changing it back from cli again | 22:21 |
| arvut | its neat for avoiding silly limitations on train/airplane wifi and such | 22:21 |
| arvut | or for whenever you don't wanna tell the world you actually got an iphone! xD | 22:22 |
| the_mgt | it was cable ethernet, not wifi. and somebody had changed the MAC to 00:00:00:00... before I changed it back to something normal | 22:23 |
| the_mgt | because our router would accept an all-0 mac and didn't hand out a dhcp lease | 22:23 |
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| arvut | lol | 22:28 |
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| arvut | I started looking up various MAC's and got stuck at 00:1a:00: suffix, some old japanese manufacturer, making mostly tv equipment nowadays I think, that specific range belongs to Matrix Inc. | 22:31 |
| arvut | there are also Matrix Corp. at some other range nearby, probably same company | 22:31 |
| arvut | 00:1b:ff or something like that | 22:32 |
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