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| Pawky | will using the Exchange client make the jolla phone be in the hands of the Exchange server (for things such as remote wipe etc)? | 07:27 |
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| zutto | if jollas exchange will abide by the rules, yes | 07:29 |
| Pawky | zutto: well that is my question isn't it?.... | 07:29 |
| zutto | yes | 07:30 |
| zutto | you should assume the worst, its exchange were talking about | 07:30 |
| Pawky | thus your answer is not an answer to it.. | 07:30 |
| Pawky | well, the N9 did not support these things only part of the exchange protocol :-) | 07:30 |
| zutto | probably one reason why it wasnt so popular in the business world :P | 07:31 |
| Pawky | my hopes is jolla having the same restricted implementation as the N9, making it safe to also use this protoco | 07:31 |
| Pawky | l | 07:31 |
| Pawky | true.. but many .... enforces the Exchange protocol, which makes it important to know what it means before using it.. | 07:31 |
| Pawky | I haven't been able to find any info on what this implementation supports, and what not. | 07:32 |
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| chriadam | Pawky: you'll need to ask VDVsx about the specifics of our Exchange ActiveSync implementation. I believe he's on vacation at the moment, though. | 07:48 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 07:52 |
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| Pawky | chriadam: ok, thanks. :-) | 08:49 |
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| Mikaela | is it just me or does Jolla dislieke http://speedof.me/ ? for me it started closing apps when I had Browser, Books, Communi Sailfish (IRC) and Notes open | 08:54 |
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| tadzik | it may be memory heavy | 08:56 |
| zutto | just a random guess, but its html5 test so it probably utilizes your localstorage like mega does, and oomkiller starts popping the heads of your applications off as it uses more | 08:56 |
| tadzik | but I use it all the time and I haven't noticed it | 08:56 |
| Mikaela | sounds like it | 08:56 |
| Mikaela | I just wish it handled IPv6 | 08:57 |
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| viccuad | guys, what's the name of the part that is closed source on Jolla phones, besides apps? | 10:50 |
| tadzik | lipstick? | 10:50 |
| viccuad | nope | 10:50 |
| lainwir3d | silica | 10:51 |
| viccuad | https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick | 10:51 |
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| viccuad | thaat one | 10:51 |
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| tadzik | oh, right | 10:52 |
| viccuad | I fail to see what silica accomplishes, what's its use on the stack | 10:53 |
| TemeV | silica offers the ui components that create the "Sailfish look and feel" | 10:54 |
| viccuad | so, it could be not used, I suppose? | 10:55 |
| TemeV | yes, you can use normal qml | 10:55 |
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| Pawky | Am I the only one having a bit of trouble with the latest jolla release, sometimes you simply cannot pull down to answer a call? | 11:13 |
| tadzik | oh, I need to report my connectivity bug | 11:14 |
| tadzik | thansk | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: i think there's a tjc for that | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | happens rarely to me | 11:14 |
| Pawky | there is a workaround i have found.. | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | link? | 11:15 |
| Pawky | no links to my head yet.. | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | oh | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | i misread the sentence then | 11:15 |
| Pawky | I have succeeded to answer the call I meant, but nothing I have written down yet ;-) | 11:16 |
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| Pawky | thought of first checking wether I am the only one having this issue | 11:16 |
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| Pawky | Am I right there are still no news upon how to actually get ssp | 11:18 |
| Pawky | sorry SSDP to work for android apps on the jolla? | 11:18 |
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| Pawky | the jolla driver receives it, but android apps wont see this data :-( | 11:19 |
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| Lipevakala_ | Pawky: You can minimice incoming call creen and then it is possible to answer.... i dont have those problems but did read this from here | 11:33 |
| Tegu | happened to me as well. just couldn't do anything on the call screen | 11:34 |
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| Pawky | Lipevakala_: yes, thats what I found out as well. :-) I was just wondering how alone I am with this issue ;-) | 11:47 |
| ShadowJK | hm, why does store say "Waiting" forever | 11:47 |
| Tegu | ShadowJK: have you logged in to your jolla account? on the settings. if yes, I don't know. | 11:49 |
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| Tegu | as the store seems to be working just fine for me currently | 11:49 |
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| Coolgeek | phone is here \o/ | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | congrats | 12:07 |
| Coolgeek | and I imported numbers + sms from my android \o/ | 12:07 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | cool :) | 12:12 |
| chem|st | :) | 12:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | there is any unsupported method to dump an installation | 12:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't mean dump flash and puke on other jolla phone | 12:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but i wanna replicate my phone | 12:33 |
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| ggabriel | if that's a question, i'd try to dd p28 | 12:35 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: dd mmcblk0p28 to uSD | 12:35 |
| ggabriel | but i really haven't tried, i don't have a second jolla | 12:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | chem|st, i mean a software version | 12:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | not a physical dump | 12:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | chem|st, tnx btw | 12:36 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: make sure you have no lockcode set (not just deactivated, really not set!) | 12:36 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: software version? | 12:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 1.1.7 | 12:37 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i need to transfer it to a virgin jolla | 12:37 |
| chem|st | oh that is a bad idea | 12:37 |
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| chem|st | you could download all rpms required to upgrade | 12:39 |
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| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: for hardcopy, it is adviceable to recover to the same version that is in the backup, so dd of 1.1.7.24 should be restored on to a 1.1.7.24 | 12:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't have all the bandwith to fetch two years of jolla | 12:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'll study something | 12:40 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: it isn't two years, you will only upgrade to 2.5 and then to latest | 12:40 |
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| locusf | I've got a theory on creating the mmcblk0p28 partition, but it is likely to fail because the device adaptation repos are not accessible except from a jolla device | 12:48 |
| Raim | dd'ing mmcblk0p28 is probably not enough as it won't update the boot or recovery partitions | 12:51 |
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| chem|st | Raim: yes, not a way to update | 12:54 |
| locusf | fastboot flash? | 12:54 |
| chem|st | yeah, but I got no clue how to make a flashable img out of a jolla | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | uhm... too many things to consider/reverse engineer, risk of bricking the device and loss of warranty | 12:55 |
| ggabriel | is it really worth it? | 12:55 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: maybe ask nieldk on tmo for help, I guess he has an idea about how to dump a flashable img from a jolla | 12:56 |
| ggabriel | dr_gogeta86: ^ | 12:58 |
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| chem|st | ah sry wrong HL | 12:58 |
| ggabriel | i remember the post chem|st is talking about, not sure if it's updated though | 12:58 |
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| lainwir3d | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-update/ | 14:58 |
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| tbr | hmmm, I hope dropping the micro A/B does not mean they dropped the signals as well. (there are non-USB compliant host adapters for micro B) | 15:05 |
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| tiwake | is it USB 3? | 15:06 |
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| tiwake | also I'm a little sad an M.2 slot couldent be stuffed in | 15:09 |
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| grzywacz | I wonder if the display converter soc adds a lot to power usage. | 15:12 |
| tiwake | maybe the display its self is lower power usage | 15:16 |
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| Morpog_work | 1.1.7.25 is out | 15:16 |
| Morpog_work | it balances now before the update | 15:16 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | .1.1.7.25 (17.7.2015): Fix an issue in package management middleware | 15:17 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | maybe 27.7.2015? | 15:17 |
| Morpog_work | ?? | 15:17 |
| urs | Morpog_work: oho. Do you know if it fixes keyboard layout switching? | 15:18 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | from release notes | 15:18 |
| Morpog_work | HarhaanJohtaja: ah true | 15:18 |
| Morpog_work | urs: it's still optimizing here, but from release notes it would say no | 15:18 |
| urs | ah well, ok | 15:19 |
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| chem|st | HarhaanJohtaja: early access is usually a week or so old | 15:28 |
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| Tofe | updated smoothly already | 15:29 |
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| chem|st | hmm ok they wrote 15th for .24 .. | 15:34 |
| Morpog_work | update went fine here too | 15:38 |
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| Stskeepz | tbr, i'd dearly hope ot | 15:54 |
| Stskeepz | n | 15:54 |
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| kimmoli | Stskeepz: is "mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 476083, nr 8, cmd response 0x900, card status 0x80b00" bad ? | 15:59 |
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| Stskeepz | kimmoli: i'd say have a visit with a jolla office | 15:59 |
| kimmoli | but it kinda boots... | 15:59 |
| kimmoli | after 3-4 minutes | 15:59 |
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| Stskeepz | no microsd in? | 16:00 |
| kimmoli | no | 16:00 |
| Stskeepz | ok | 16:00 |
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| dirkvl | woop woop BAMWAR7 is at is again | 16:43 |
| dirkvl | at TJC | 16:43 |
| dirkvl | time to block some ip | 16:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | i find it interesting that they're experiencing the same spam at the fairphone forums as well | 16:55 |
| r0kk3rz | which is discourse based, not askbot. but they are using oauth2 like tjc is | 16:55 |
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| Sailor-2gether | yay http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/07/27/android-text-attacks/ | 17:16 |
| kjetilho | får håpe dette fører til at produsentane får betre rutiner for å distribuere patchar... men eg tvilar | 17:18 |
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| kjetilho | ehh, sorry, I thought this was a different channel :) I said: "I hope this leads to manufacturers putting in place better procedures for upgrading their software ... but I have my doubts" | 17:20 |
| Sail0r | :D | 17:21 |
| Sail0r | I don't think patches get any better because of such flaws | 17:21 |
| Sail0r | even many servers are still heartbleed affected | 17:22 |
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| r0kk3rz | too much churn and abandoned products | 17:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | but with closed devices you cant even upgrade it yourself | 17:31 |
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| Sail0r | and the internet of unpatchable crap | 17:32 |
| Sail0r | aaah things | 17:32 |
| Sail0r | does it not make better | 17:32 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe we need to update consumer protection laws | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | manufacturers must provide security updates for electronic devices for X period of time | 17:33 |
| r0kk3rz | and software products | 17:33 |
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| Sail0r | yeah | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, the malwarenet of unpatchable crap is a possible future | 17:35 |
| Sail0r | because it's much cheaper ... | 17:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | im sure they dont want to sell things with warranties and after sale support either, but they're made to | 17:40 |
| Sail0r | yep | 17:40 |
| Sail0r | look at the jolla :P | 17:40 |
| Sail0r | no spare parts ;) | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | so maybe we need new rules for these fancy computer-in-a-brick things we keep making | 17:40 |
| r0kk3rz | i think i might mention that to my pirate party friends | 17:43 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 17:47 |
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| Sail0r | I don't want to imagine what flaws hide in Baseband or sim software | 17:48 |
| Sail0r | or the long outdated drivers for the mobile chipsets | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | speaking of software nonsense | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | found this gem in the wacom driver installer: "Wacom grants You a limited, non-exclusive license to (a) use and install a single copy of the Software , in machine readable form only, on a single computer or other similar device, solely in conjunction with the Product ..." | 17:49 |
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| Yaniel | so uh.. I'm only allowed to install their drivers on one computer? | 17:50 |
| r0kk3rz | its a EULA, just because they write it doesnt make it legal | 17:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but it does appear to read that way, you're only allowed to have one wacom product, for exclusive use with one machine only | 17:51 |
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| jaacoppi | but isn't it okay if you have multiple copies of the software and license? | 18:01 |
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| r0kk3rz | i dont think wacom are going to sue you over it, no | 18:12 |
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| IZh | Hmm... I don't remember whether I entered any serial numbers while installing the driver. But I want to use in on both pc and laptop. | 19:20 |
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| IZh | It seems that Wacom's forum is flooded with chinese spam. | 19:28 |
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| Armadillo | mhm 1.1.7.25 | 20:42 |
| Armadillo | has it been release today? | 20:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | Armadillo: another pre-release | 20:58 |
| Sail0r | what was the actual problem with 1.1.7.24? | 20:59 |
| r0kk3rz | something to do with packagekit | 20:59 |
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| Sail0r | cool my over 6k karma points account is blocked | 21:01 |
| Sail0r | because of "Spam was detected on your post, sorry for if this is a mistake Your account has been blocked " | 21:01 |
| Sail0r | what to do against this? | 21:01 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/users/154/sailor/ | 21:02 |
| Sail0r | wtf | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | need a mod | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | like tbr | 21:02 |
| Sail0r | tbr: are you online? I was just blocked when trying to answer https://together.jolla.com/question/102729/add-new-calendars-created-on-caldav-server/ | 21:02 |
| Sail0r | chem|st: | 21:02 |
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| Sail0r | answer was "Not at the moment :(. Does make me sad, too. Maybe there is a way from the commandline but I didn't yet figure it out." don't know why this triggered blocking my account -.- | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | or tigeli | 21:04 |
| Sail0r | tigeli: | 21:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | you maybe got accidentally put into a spam user cull script | 21:04 |
| Sail0r | yeah, think so -.- | 21:05 |
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| Sail0r | very interesting sometimes the account gets back to normal view of karma and so on | 21:09 |
| Sail0r | but when I try to answer smth | 21:10 |
| Sail0r | it immediatly goes back to read-only :D | 21:10 |
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| tigeli | r0kk3rz: hmmh.. | 21:25 |
| tigeli | Sail0r: I will check it | 21:25 |
| Sail0r | thank you | 21:25 |
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| tigeli | Sail0r: I suspect the spam-detection is misbehaving right now :( | 21:30 |
| Sail0r | :x | 21:30 |
| Sail0r | that sucks | 21:30 |
| tigeli | I will disable the akismet | 21:31 |
| r0kk3rz | shields up, brace for impact | 21:31 |
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| tigeli | r0kk3rz: now it has been disabled | 21:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | seems quiet for now, hopefully our spammer friends have gotten tired and moved on | 21:41 |
| phlixi | if i would spam, i would not do that by hand, and of course that would mean automated checking, and thus i would be back with my spams shortly.... | 21:42 |
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| chem|st | Sail0r: what is the accountname? | 21:44 |
| Sail0r | Sailor but tigeli is already looking at it :) | 21:45 |
| chem|st | and please dont spam me with logs of backlogs | 21:45 |
| Sail0r | sry but I thought you need some context | 21:46 |
| Sail0r | and not only "unblock me I am cool" | 21:46 |
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| chem|st | Sail0r: when you say my name I get notified | 21:48 |
| Sail0r | Yeah, I thought so but maybe you don't have backlog when not online | 21:48 |
| Sail0r | there is a heavy amount of different BNC around | 21:48 |
| chem|st | tigeli: told eric about the akismet pita on tech forums, when I just let it flow I get every second post in moderation queue on tmo | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | so I thought sending you the context in private which most BNCs log | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | is not bad | 21:49 |
| Sail0r | so sorry again ;) | 21:49 |
| tigeli | chem|st: yeah, but it also seems that it's not really "working" as one our admins just sent the blocked comment as a ham and it does not appear in the "false positives" | 21:50 |
| chem|st | Sail0r: np, as admin, mod etc and people referring to old conversations I enabled logging on all bases and added a hilight box to my client | 21:50 |
| tigeli | I would love to have something like spamassassin for the askbot | 21:51 |
| tigeli | would probably work much more better than akismet :) | 21:51 |
| chem|st | tigeli: selftrained akismet | 21:52 |
| Sail0r | :) | 21:52 |
| tigeli | chem|st: yeah, pretty much | 21:52 |
| chem|st | the heuristics are odd and it never seems to work... | 21:52 |
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