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| tadzik | ffs | 13:17 |
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| Stskeeps | mm? | 13:17 |
| tadzik | jolla has 42% / usage, but complains about "no space left on device" when I scp something in | 13:17 |
| * Stskeeps slowly walks backwards.. | 13:17 | |
| Tofe | tadzik: I got that last week; does even a "touch" fail ? | 13:21 |
| tadzik | dunno yet, I rebooted it in an act of despair | 13:21 |
| Tofe | oh. I would have done some checks first (metadata usage, free chunks), and *then* I would have rebooted ;) | 13:22 |
| Tofe | Rebooting solved my case last week, I hope it'll be the same for you | 13:22 |
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| Tofe | I wonder why Jolla chose chunks of 1GB on a 16GB filesystem; is it the default size? | 13:24 |
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| tadzik | now fingerterm also shows me welcome screen each time I try it, hrm | 13:26 |
| Stskeeps | Tofe: hmm | 13:26 |
| Tofe | tadzik: that is quite a polite terminal | 13:27 |
| tadzik | Tofe: unusually polite, like it's hiding something | 13:27 |
| Tofe | "no no, I didn't break anything, promise!" | 13:27 |
| ShadowJK | fingerterm does that to me whenever btrfs has fucked up | 13:28 |
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| tadzik | also, it still takes a long, long time for my phone to catch mobile connection | 13:30 |
| tadzik | like, 10-15 minutes long | 13:30 |
| tadzik | (after a reboot | 13:30 |
| chem|st | tadzik: it is in general a good idea to check balance before rebooting in such case, lots of people ended up boot-freezing cause of it | 13:30 |
| tadzik | how do I do that? | 13:31 |
| Tofe | btrfs fi show / | 13:34 |
| chem|st | tadzik: and if you turn your device off over night, don't | 13:35 |
| chem|st | once a week balancing is done (think it is tuesdays) | 13:35 |
| Yaniel | tuesdays around 2 am IIRC | 13:36 |
| tadzik | Nah, I never do | 13:38 |
| tadzik | Now jolla shows lack.of network, while I'm happily ircing, hm | 13:38 |
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| Tofe | chem|st: thanks to you, I just learn the ":x" vi command! all these years I was typing way too much... | 14:02 |
| tbr | :x is vim though, not vi. IIRC | 14:06 |
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| wysiwtf | what does :x do? | 14:07 |
| tbr | same as :wc - write and close | 14:07 |
| wysiwtf | lol | 14:07 |
| tadzik | ...there is c for close? | 14:07 |
| wysiwtf | i always use :wq | 14:07 |
| tbr | err wq | 14:07 |
| tbr | sorry | 14:07 |
| tadzik | My whole life was almost a lie | 14:07 |
| wysiwtf | you could have saved at least 3000 keypresses | 14:08 |
| lainwir3d | i always use :x | 14:08 |
| wysiwtf | if you count each keypress with 1/10th of a second you could have saved 300 seconds which is 5mins which is a cigarette | 14:08 |
| wysiwtf | ZOMG | 14:08 |
| lainwir3d | and every time i see someone use ":wq" i tell myself "woah ! what a waste of time" | 14:08 |
| lainwir3d | so frustating. | 14:09 |
| tadzik | What if there are people who only don't smoke because of.wq | 14:09 |
| wysiwtf | you mean like typing "google" into the browsers google bar because you want to go to google.com to google for some shit? | 14:09 |
| trigpoint | Is there a way to get the jolla camera to take a photo every second or so? | 14:09 |
| tadzik | I think there's an app on warehouse for that | 14:10 |
| tadzik | Since recently | 14:10 |
| trigpoint | tadzik Thank you | 14:11 |
| lainwir3d | wysiwtf: yeah, like that | 14:11 |
| wysiwtf | lainwir3d: my mom wouldnt know how to do it otherwise :p | 14:13 |
| trigpoint | tadzik: You don't know what its called do you? | 14:15 |
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| lainwir3d | hehe | 14:16 |
| trigpoint | Have tried camera, camera sequence | 14:16 |
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| chem|st | Tofe: rofl | 14:44 |
| chem|st | Tofe: there is so much power in the vi shell you can run everything from within | 14:44 |
| * chem|st wonders why noone managed to boot vi | 14:45 | |
| wysiwtf | can you run emacs in vim? | 15:00 |
| ponky | chem|st: we did | 15:06 |
| ponky | vim to be exact, but anyway | 15:06 |
| ponky | s | 15:06 |
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| r3vlibre` | Hi. I wonder for some time how to migrate from one jolla to another: | 15:25 |
| r3vlibre` | is there an easy way to copy the config, even from installed apps' ? | 15:25 |
| r3vlibre` | I am ready to reinstall each app, I would like to be able to recover their data. | 15:26 |
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| tadzik | trigpoint: periodic something? | 15:40 |
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| Teemu | oh there's :x | 15:42 |
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| Teemu | previously i've used vim-specifics: ^v selecting and recently i started doing multiline operations in that | 15:44 |
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| Teemu | i might use :x if i ever happen to push it to muscle memory | 15:44 |
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| chem|st | lol | 16:20 |
| chem|st | I see, I started a revolution here | 16:20 |
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| chem|st | wysiwtf: you do not run emacs, ever, you boot emacs... | 16:21 |
| wysiwtf | yeah, but can it boot in a v(i)m? :p | 16:21 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: easy, no, both devices need to be at the same version, unset device lock (important to unset not just deactivate!) and move mmcblk0p28 from one device to the other, only thing that needs editing are connman stuff as it writes configs in folders with the MAC in names | 16:23 |
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| r3vlibre` | chem|st: Thank you, I'll copy this precious information :) However, I must be a bit newbie in this world... What does "unset device lock" mean ? | 16:28 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: you need to remove the code eg reset device lock code | 16:28 |
| r3vlibre` | I guess "connman" is connection manager... | 16:28 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: if you are unfamiliar with command line you better not brick your device this way... | 16:29 |
| r3vlibre` | chem|st: Aaahh, ok, I would not have thought about that at all ! | 16:29 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: basically, you can take a backup with the gui backup, copy to uSD | 16:29 |
| chem|st | get a list of installed apps and move from there | 16:30 |
| r3vlibre` | I am very familiar with Debian and others, but not much on embedded devices. I played a bit with the N900... | 16:30 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: not much difference but the package management is rpm | 16:30 |
| chem|st | it is still just a linux booted on some uncommon CPU | 16:31 |
| chem|st | and underlying HAL freakshow | 16:31 |
| chem|st | but that is not of your concern | 16:31 |
| r3vlibre` | Yeah, I am really eager to get deeper: I am just too overloaded... Starting a personal company besides my job :) | 16:31 |
| r3vlibre` | About free software :) | 16:32 |
| chem|st | if you are brave, get both devices to the same version, reset both devices lock code if set | 16:32 |
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| r3vlibre` | and then ? I need to make copies with scp/ssh from the PC in between ? | 16:34 |
| chem|st | shutdown both, add an empty non!!!non!!!fat uSD with at least 16gb in the source device and boot into recovery mode, use recovery shell to 1. mount uSD then 'dd' /dev/mmcblk0p28 to the ~uSDmount/rootfs.bin | 16:34 |
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| chem|st | shutdown, remove uSD and put it to the other device, boot in recovery... mount uSD dd .bin to /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 16:35 |
| chem|st | takes a while... | 16:35 |
| r3vlibre` | ok... I see better, far better !! Any risk if anything goes wrong ? | 16:35 |
| chem|st | uSD needs to be formatted with something that can have large files | 16:35 |
| ggabriel | i'd go for a bigger microsd card just in case | 16:36 |
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| ggabriel | 16gb and 32gb are pretty much the same price nowadays | 16:36 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: if you do something wrong, like dd'ing to the wrong /dev/ you need to get that dev from the other phone and apply it to the same... | 16:37 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: mmcblk0p28 is 14gb... | 16:37 |
| r3vlibre` | True: However, I currently should have a 16Gb at hand... And not much data on my phone | 16:37 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: you may of course use a command that filters the zeros of the fs so the bin gets smaller and the process faster | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | if 16gb is at hand and you're keen, sure | 16:38 |
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| ggabriel | don't dd the bootloader maybe :P | 16:38 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: bootloader iirc does mean that not even jolla can flash it... | 16:39 |
| r3vlibre` | chem|st: Ok, so it's not possible to break the phone if the copy is interrupted or so (except for crashing the bootloader :) | 16:39 |
| chem|st | if you shred the internal device somehow you are screwed | 16:40 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i don't know, do you remember in the first release that you could boot whatever, and then on the second or third it was locked, and then they gave us the option of unlocking it? | 16:40 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: locked bootloader is soemthing different to shredded bootloader | 16:40 |
| r3vlibre` | And what does it mean "shred", how can it happen ? | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | regardless, i wouldn't want to play with the first few thousand bytes of the dev | 16:41 |
| chem|st | unliocked bootloader means that you can boot anything, and means anyone can attempt to boot something else than the installed system | 16:41 |
| chem|st | and flash something else, like a new kernel | 16:41 |
| chem|st | oh please someone flash my device with a new kernel :) | 16:41 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: easiest way is probably a typo! | 16:42 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: accidentally mounting it and editing it | 16:42 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: overwriting the wron bits | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | a typo in dd can be catastrophic :) | 16:42 |
| chem|st | accidentally hitting enter at mmcblk0 | 16:43 |
| chem|st | that is why I never paste from websites, carriage return can kill | 16:43 |
| ggabriel | start your commands with # :P | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | or echo | 16:44 |
| r3vlibre` | Ok, I did "ls /dev", I see the blocks organisation :) | 16:44 |
| zutto | or paste the content to somewhere that doesnt support cr ;P | 16:44 |
| zutto | like.. the url bar of browsers | 16:45 |
| r3vlibre` | Good to ask for eveything before starting, thank you for your advices, I think I am able to try. | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | r3vlibre`: check together.jolla.com too, there are loads of wiki style questions | 16:45 |
| ggabriel | and some stuff buried in talk.maemo.org | 16:45 |
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| ggabriel | one of the first things i did was dd the whole thing and i now have a backup of the very first version of sailfish | 16:46 |
| r3vlibre` | ggabriel: Thank you, I searched for a recipe to copy but didn't find... Maybe with explicit search on copy mmc, I'll find better results. | 16:47 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: "dd /dev/mmcblk0p28 /mnt/rootfs.bin" considered you mount uSD to /mnt | 16:48 |
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| chem|st | r3vlibre`: the other way raound is dd /mnt/rootfs.bin /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 16:48 |
| * ggabriel wonders if dd works without if= and of= now... | 16:48 | |
| chem|st | have it connected to a charge | 16:48 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: good point | 16:49 |
| r3vlibre` | Ok, so I see "/dev/mmcblk028" is mounted on "/home", that's why it will do the job :) | 16:49 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: ggabriel is right sry my head is down for today | 16:49 |
| chem|st | r3vlibre`: "dd if=/dev/mmcblk0p28 of=/mnt/rootfs.bin" | 16:49 |
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| chem|st | if= is inputfile of= outputfile, if=source of=destination | 16:50 |
| svuorela | hmm... I never really emailed from my phone, but now that I might need it for next week, it doesn't seem to work. My mailserver gets a log message about A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. - and then the session is closed. any guesses on what I misconfigured ? | 16:50 |
| r3vlibre` | Yeah, true, I would have figured out ;) Thank you for caring ! | 16:51 |
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| r3vlibre` | I see that that device is mounted both on "/" and "/home", it's surprising | 16:51 |
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| ggabriel | that's btrfs for you | 16:52 |
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| r3vlibre` | Wow, so many new things happen on one corner while you focus on another :D | 16:56 |
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| r3vlibre` | svuorela: I remember I had to play a bit with the configuration to get it work... In my current settings, I have SSL enabled. Are you sure your provider is using TLS ? | 17:00 |
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| svuorela | r3vlibre`: I know my provider, which is me, offers TLS on port 587 and 25, as well as ssl on 465 - and it works with kmail, with outlook, with android and iphones, ... | 17:01 |
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| ggabriel | svuorela: do you have a valid certificate? :) | 17:02 |
| r3vlibre` | svuorela: sorry about that, first thought ! If you are your provider, you know what's inside. BTW did you try SSL just in case ? | 17:03 |
| r3vlibre` | Since you have it active too... | 17:03 |
| svuorela | r3vlibre`: yep. tried all the things, I think. I might need to get some more debugging from the phone. | 17:03 |
| svuorela | ggabriel: I should have. | 17:03 |
| Coolgeek | is there someone from jolla here ? I don't know why they choose fedex but they sucks really hard >_< | 17:03 |
| svuorela | Coolgeek: it does suck I agree :/ | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | Coolgeek: this is just a community channel... there may be jolla people but they may not be able to resolve jolla problems | 17:04 |
| Coolgeek | thought so, but it so frustrating >_< | 17:04 |
| svuorela | r3vlibre`, ggabriel: mail.vuorela.dk if you are curious | 17:05 |
| Coolgeek | I just wanted to tell them that to choose fedex was not the best thing they did. | 17:05 |
| svuorela | Coolgeek: apparantly in finland there is fedex and the finnish postal service to choose from, and finnish postal service uses fedex for international shipping anyways - or something like that. | 17:06 |
| Coolgeek | they didn't warn me when they delevered, saying "you were not there at 11am" when on the web site it says 6pm for delivery. When I call to go pick up at their office "sorry, we're closed, even if on the website it says you can grab it 24h/27 7 days | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | Coolgeek: that can happen to any courier | 17:07 |
| ggabriel | just deal with the frustration a couple of days | 17:07 |
| svuorela | in .dk, you can either be home, or go to the copenhagen airport and pick it up. all other couriers in .dk have various receive poinst all over the country. | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | the courier system is broken worldwide, there's nothing you can do, except convince a few pencil pushers to adjust the law/regulations | 17:08 |
| Coolgeek | it's my birthday too today, getting it today would be awesome.... | 17:08 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah seems fairly standard all round | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | Coolgeek: sorry and happy birthday :) go get drunk, don't play with a phone | 17:08 |
| ggabriel | svuorela: all other? are you sure? :) | 17:08 |
| r0kk3rz | svuorela: most couriers offer you an option to pick another delivery date/time | 17:09 |
| svuorela | ggabriel: of the 3 major ones, yes. GLS, danish postal, dhl at least have it. | 17:10 |
| svuorela | r0kk3rz: right. while I*m at work | 17:10 |
| r0kk3rz | so deliver to work? | 17:11 |
| r3vlibre` | Coolgeek: Well, you got the announce, its arrived ^^ Enjoy the week-end and you'll get it on Monday. Yeah I know, I would have morned too, before. Now takink it easier :) | 17:11 |
| svuorela | not always possible, unfortunately. | 17:11 |
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| svuorela | but back to my emailing issue. How do I get debugging easily from the phone ? | 17:11 |
| r0kk3rz | but i know what you mean, if you live in like kalundborg you probably dont want to go all the way to copenhagen airport just to get a package | 17:11 |
| ggabriel | svuorela: check journalctl -f (as root)? | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | svuorela: I guess my point was that "not all other couriers", it's typical that local couriers will have more options, but you can't expect that jolla will research all this stuff on a per country basis. Royal Mail/Parcel Force can leave a package in my convenience store - fedex will take it 20 miles away. Such is life | 17:13 |
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| r3vlibre` | svuorela: Is it normal I don't see MX records in your DNS for your mail domain ? I thought it was required... | 17:17 |
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| svuorela | r3vlibre`: mx for vuorela.dk ? there sure is. | 17:17 |
| ggabriel | it isn't required for the domain where the mail server is | 17:18 |
| r3vlibre` | svuorela: sorry, I checked for mail.vuoreal.dk... Must be tired | 17:18 |
| svuorela | https://paste.kde.org/pre3k2nrt - that's what journalctl seems to tell me. I'm not sure it gives that much information | 17:20 |
| r0kk3rz | anything hitting the logs on the other end svuorela? | 17:22 |
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| svuorela | (recv): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received. | 17:23 |
| svuorela | (send): The specified session has been invalidated for some reason. | 17:23 |
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| r3vlibre` | And you get exactly the same behavior with SSL ? | 17:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | what exactly is the setup here? | 17:27 |
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| svuorela | r0kk3rz: setup on server? that's just a more or less normally configured exim | 17:28 |
| r0kk3rz | so using ssl? not? imap? pop3? | 17:30 |
| ggabriel | svuorela: that happened to me when the certificate chain was wrong | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | i think | 17:31 |
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| ggabriel | take it with a pinch of salt | 17:31 |
| ggabriel | try trusting untrusted certificates | 17:32 |
| svuorela | r0kk3rz: reading mail works fine. it is sending mail that's the issue. | 17:32 |
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| svuorela | r0kk3rz: and there is tls involved, and/or ssl depending on what I choose | 17:32 |
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| svuorela | ggabriel: trusting untrusted certs give same issue | 17:33 |
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| ggabriel | svuorela: i assume you tried recreating the account? (or creating a new one and trying sending emails) | 17:34 |
| svuorela | let me try once more | 17:36 |
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| svuorela | hmm.. stuck on "checking account credentials" for 5 minutes | 17:41 |
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| r3vlibre` | And without any encryption, you don't get results either ? | 17:45 |
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| svuorela | r3vlibre`: The server doesn't support that | 17:46 |
| r3vlibre` | Safer... And is it an option to use the phone as a gateway for a netbook which works ? For the short-term problem... | 17:47 |
| svuorela | that's what I normally do. | 17:47 |
| svuorela | but I'm going on a week long trip without anything but my phone | 17:47 |
| r3vlibre` | But not this time of course ;) | 17:47 |
| r3vlibre` | No webmail on your server ? | 17:48 |
| svuorela | nope. | 17:48 |
| svuorela | I guess I will just have to do without sending emails | 17:49 |
| r3vlibre` | Well, it's always when we are in a hurry that we need a feature... | 17:51 |
| r3vlibre` | If it's a holiday trip, you might feel good afterwards, having been disconnected ^^$ | 17:51 |
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| chem|st | svuorela: I need to lookup the looging stuff for mail | 18:58 |
| chem|st | it is deactivated by default iirc | 18:58 |
| svuorela | oh. | 18:59 |
| chem|st | svuorela: | 18:59 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/18378/how-to-debug-email-application-reason-email-sync-with-imap-server-fails-with-server-error/ | 18:59 |
| chem|st | .pastebin the logs without passwords and I will have a look | 19:00 |
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| svuorela | chem|st: first I need to figure out to recreate the account :/ | 19:01 |
| chem|st | ? | 19:01 |
| svuorela | I was suggested to delete and recreate it and somehow I'm stuck half way thru | 19:04 |
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| chem|st | ok, just ping me once you have collected logs! | 19:07 |
| chem|st | if I have no clue after that, you may post it as bug to tjc and highlight VDVsx (mail sailor) | 19:08 |
| svuorela | I think I'll start by a reboot | 19:09 |
| chem|st | but I think it is a cert issue, wrong length is usually using wrong suite | 19:09 |
| chem|st | svuorela: hehe | 19:09 |
| chem|st | svuorela: if it does not pan out, do you have another smtp you may use, usually it is not important to use the smtp of that address you are using, just one that is setup properly | 19:12 |
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| svuorela | I'll just have to live without email | 19:14 |
| svuorela | chem|st, ggabriel, r3vlibre` : after account recreation, and a couple of reboots during it, it seems to be working now | 19:19 |
| svuorela | thanks | 19:21 |
| svuorela | I'm still not sure what was up or down | 19:21 |
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| r3vlibre` | svuorela: Great ! I am happy for you:) | 19:21 |
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| chem|st | svuorela: good :) | 20:22 |
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| eye_a | jolla )01!@ )0h | 20:23 |
| svuorela | chem|st: part of me is happy that it now works. part of me wants to know why it didn't work before | 20:24 |
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| chem|st | svuorela: me too but you did not collect logs so no-can-do | 20:28 |
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| svuorela | chem|st: yeah. sorry about that. | 21:06 |
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| chem|st | svuorela: if you run in to it again, you knwo how to find me ;) | 21:17 |
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| svuorela | yep | 21:25 |
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| robkup | Hi everybody, right now, i'm trying, to copy my data from home to sd card in recovery mode | 22:43 |
| robkup | by using the shell | 22:43 |
| robkup | unfortunatly the following message is shown: Type your devicelock code and press [ENTER] key: (please note that the typed numbers won't be shown for security reasons) | 22:44 |
| robkup | entering my devicelock does not work, i tried it several times | 22:44 |
| robkup | who can i be sure, that i realy entered my device lock? | 22:44 |
| robkup | i was using mazelock as devicelock, can that make any problem? | 22:44 |
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| chem|st | yes it will, no idea what you need to enter for set maze locks | 22:48 |
| chem|st | you think it is smart to use maze lock, in the end, anything not Jolla on that will screw you over at some point, ask the developer for help | 22:48 |
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| chem|st | did you set a code before maze? maybe taht is what is set ther | 22:49 |
| chem|st | e | 22:49 |
| robkup | mazelock worked fine, till today i tried the recovery. i already tried the standard mazelock code, but that didn't worked either | 22:50 |
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| robkup | how can i contact a developer for help? | 22:51 |
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| robkup | and i can't remember, that i used any other devicelock code except mazelock | 22:55 |
| robkup | @sameo: do you know, what happen, if i enter the wrond devicelock code 4 times in a row? | 22:56 |
| ottulo | robkup: I haven't used mazelock so I don't know anything about it, but you might find something here: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-mazelock | 23:00 |
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| robkup | ottulo: i tried the devicelock code, which is mentioned on that page, it does not work.... | 23:04 |
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| robkup | lol | 23:08 |
| ottulo | robkup: well, in the Details list they say: when setting new code symbols won't be masked, you can keep in mind entered code in case of system crash | 23:08 |
| ottulo | so I don't think a default code would work when you've set your own | 23:08 |
| robkup | i think i found my mistake... | 23:08 |
| robkup | give me one minute to check :D | 23:09 |
| robkup | okay, so it isn't mazelock fault | 23:11 |
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| robkup | to be honest, i do not know the devicelock by heart, i just swipe it on the screen. | 23:12 |
| robkup | so on jolla keyboard the 1 is in the upper left corner | 23:12 |
| robkup | at me numpad it at lower left corner | 23:13 |
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| ottulo | yeah, keyboard numpad is different from phone keypad | 23:21 |
| ottulo | it's just horizontally mirrored | 23:21 |
| chem|st | coderus: any advice?^ | 23:22 |
| chem|st | robkup: works now? | 23:22 |
| robkup | devicelock works now | 23:22 |
| chem|st | coderus: nevermind | 23:22 |
| ottulo | well, good luck with the rest robkup, I'm gonna hit the bed | 23:23 |
| robkup | thx | 23:23 |
| robkup | going to bed, too | 23:23 |
| robkup | going to finish the rest tomorrow | 23:24 |
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