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| Kabouik_ | Hi, I'd like to create an ad-hoc wlan network between Jolla and my laptop, using this (https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/wifi_ad-hoc), but there is no /etc/network/interfaces on the Jolla. Shall I create it, or is there an alternative file? | 09:45 |
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| ninnnu | IIRC Jolla doesn't support ad-hoc mode WLANs. | 09:49 |
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| ninnnu | Apparently with iwconfig you can create an adhoc-network... | 09:56 |
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| Kabouik_ | iwconfig command was unknown on Jolla when I tried it | 09:59 |
| Kabouik_ | Perhaps there's a package for it | 10:00 |
| ninnnu | Worked fine for me | 10:01 |
| ninnnu | with devel-su | 10:01 |
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| Kabouik_ | Oh yes, sorry | 10:02 |
| lainwir3d | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-display-shipping-update/ | 10:02 |
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| Kabouik_ | Where did you find that ad-hoc can be achieved with it on Jolla? I'm going to lunch but if you have a source of it, then I could follow the procedure | 10:02 |
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| Teemu | Kabouik_: iwconfig is a shell command installed in jolla by default | 10:06 |
| Yaniel | sooo... color management on the tablet? | 10:06 |
| Kabouik_ | Yes Teemu, found it after devel-su, but don't know how to use it for creating an ad-hoc connection. My Ubuntu guide needs /etc/network/interfaces on both devices | 10:06 |
| Kabouik_ | Will check that after lunch | 10:07 |
| Teemu | iwconfig shell arguments can supply all necessary things | 10:07 |
| ninnnu | Kabouik_: https://together.jolla.com/question/28818/request-wlan-ad-hoc-mode/ Last comment of last (non)solution | 10:08 |
| ninnnu | etc/network/interfaces is a Debianism, Jolla doesn't have that | 10:08 |
| ninnnu | But it also doesn't really have /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts (well, it does but it's empty), which would be similar-ish RedHatism. | 10:09 |
| Teemu | does sailfish have netwokdamager, then? | 10:17 |
| Yaniel | no, it uses conman | 10:19 |
| ninnnu | Apparently no. There's something called connman which doesn't support adhoc (and won't support ad-hoc in foreseeable future, according to the tjc-thread) | 10:19 |
| ilpianista | anyone already got a "developer loan" mail? | 10:21 |
| Teemu | geeks want adhockery | 10:22 |
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| pp | why adhoc when you can do master :-) | 10:23 |
| ggabriel | developer loan? | 10:24 |
| ninnnu | But with master all devices depend on the master. :P | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | you mean for the tablet? | 10:24 |
| ilpianista | yes | 10:25 |
| ilpianista | "The Developer Device loan program has been launched with invitations sent to selected developers" | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | oh, but that's secret :) | 10:25 |
| ilpianista | you serious? | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | no, but i hope it's secret | 10:26 |
| ilpianista | I don't see the reason to be | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | i do: less noise | 10:26 |
| ilpianista | no time for noise, we have to develop! | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | well, if you are one of those selected developers, you will develop, not report that you had an email or a tablet :P | 10:27 |
| ilpianista | damn | 10:27 |
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| chem|st | ilpianista: I get about 300emails each week, should I report to you? | 10:41 |
| chem|st | or are you interested in Jolla mail only? | 10:42 |
| ilpianista | I don't get your tone | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | oh, i do need something | 10:42 |
| ilpianista | I did ask a question: you can reply or not | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | an estimated date, as i need to adjust my countdown | 10:42 |
| ggabriel | i guess i'll risk last day of august | 10:42 |
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| chem|st | ilpianista: there is no tone | 10:51 |
| ilpianista | then I don't get your joke | 10:51 |
| ilpianista | did I ask you to report every mail you get? | 10:51 |
| ilpianista | chem|st, ^ | 10:51 |
| chem|st | ilpianista: was just asking if you want to have reports on my emails too or if you are interested in what developers get only? | 10:52 |
| chem|st | I like to share ;) | 10:52 |
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| coderus | iekku: do you have a spare displays for Jolla phone? my friend broken his Jolla :( | 12:01 |
| iekku | coderus, he should contact our care via zendesc | 12:02 |
| iekku | coderus, same advice i gave to my aunt when she managed to broke her | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | "managed to"? :) | 12:03 |
| ggabriel | it's so easy to break a display | 12:03 |
| * ggabriel taking challenges | 12:03 | |
| pp | mobylife doesn't seem to have any at least :-) | 12:06 |
| lainwir3d | easy to break a display ? | 12:10 |
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| lainwir3d | maybe I'm only lucky then, cause in 6 years, i broke one | 12:11 |
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| Tofe | how can I know what flags have been used for the build of the latest version of wpa_supplicant in SF ? More specifically, I'd like to know if EAP-SIM was included | 12:24 |
| ggabriel | lainwir3d: lend me any device, i'm sure i can break a display | 12:26 |
| lainwir3d | heh | 12:27 |
| Tofe | lainwir3d: in 7 years, I broke none | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | uhm... i broke none in a lot longer than that | 12:27 |
| coderus | iekku: month ago they said he have no displays and suggested to buy new device with discount... | 12:27 |
| coderus | they* | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | and then i went x-country skiing with the gopro close the the jolla and fell :P | 12:28 |
| Tofe | ggabriel: Nokia devices don't count :) | 12:28 |
| ggabriel | Tofe: lol | 12:28 |
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| Kabouik | I give up with the ad-hoc, it seems the best way is still the one I was using (sharing internet from the Jolla so that a device can connect to it, even if there's is no regular Wifi around) | 12:34 |
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| Kabouik | But unfortunately it drains battery quite fast | 12:34 |
| Sail0r | ? | 12:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | you can tether too | 12:37 |
| Kabouik | Yes, this is what I mean with internet sharing | 12:40 |
| Kabouik | But it drains the battery very fast | 12:40 |
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| Kabouik | Something totally unrelated: has anyone ever tried to merge dictionnaries for texts? Like French + English so that when I type both languages regularly, there are suggestions for both languages? | 12:41 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Kabouik: nope | 12:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | because the text prediction engine cannot do that | 12:44 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (it seems) | 12:44 |
| Helle | well, you can just recompile the dictionaries I guess | 12:44 |
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| Kabouik | "Just" :D | 12:44 |
| Kabouik | Every time I see someone using "compile" word, I faint. | 12:44 |
| * Kabouik faints. | 12:44 | |
| iekku | coderus, ouch | 12:48 |
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| Tofe | If I install the source package of wpa_supplicant on my Jolla, what happens ? I get a tar.gz of the source used to produce the binary ? | 12:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Tofe: iirc yes | 12:54 |
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| Tofe | ok, let's try, maybe I'll get the options used for build that way | 12:56 |
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| Stskeeps | Tofe: mer-packages/wpasupplicant on mer-packages | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | er | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | gihub | 13:04 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Tofe: why do you want wpasupplicant ? | 13:04 |
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| rostbach | ToFe: how about "strings wpa_supplicant |grep EAP-SIM" | 13:09 |
| tbr | I'd be surprised to see EAP-SIM | 13:10 |
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| rostbach | i am also interested, what jolla provides, as I thought it might need also interface with pcsc libs | 13:10 |
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| rostbach | ToFe: at least mine (v2.2) says unknown EAP method 'SIM'. | 13:24 |
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| deryo | Hi there! I'm sorry but I have to let steam off. Pardon my French. I came one hour late to a job interview because of the fucking caldav sync. It obviously has issues with DST for over a year now. There are merged pull requests etc. but why the fuck didn't this get fixed in any release? I'm sorry that I am trying to use the phone as a tool and not as a toy. | 13:56 |
| deryo | Now that this is said, are there any plans to promise this will definitely work in the next (!) update? | 13:56 |
| deryo | If you don't know what I'm talking about: https://together.jolla.com/question/60486/ (tracked (but not worked on?) by Jolla) | 13:58 |
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| Tofe | rostbach: I don't have strings installed on the device right now | 14:14 |
| coderus | iekku: so if you have an info about displays availability or seen an unused display at the desk please let me know :) | 14:14 |
| rostbach | Tofe: me neither, I copied the binary to another host | 14:14 |
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| rostbach | but instead, running on Jolla with EAP-SIM conf-file got me above mentioned unknown EAP method error, so you dont need that | 14:16 |
| Tofe | rostbach: in latest release, wpa_supplicant is version 2.4 and... I do find the EAP-SIM strings in there | 14:18 |
| rostbach | that's true, they are there, I noticed, that 2.2 also did have them | 14:19 |
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| Tofe | rostbach: ok... I'm tempted to still give it a try | 14:21 |
| iekku | coderus, ai ai sir! | 14:21 |
| tadzik | deryo: maybe write the story under the question to show how big of a deal that is, I'll be sure to upvote it | 14:23 |
| deryo | tadzik: If you think it helps: https://together.jolla.com/question/60486/#comment-102298 (click "see more comments" under the question, enter address field again and hit enter. Browser should jump to the correct comment) | 14:28 |
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| tadzik | deryo: it's the only thing that I think we can do, apart from personally pestering Jolla staff | 14:30 |
| Tofe | rostbach: ok, EAP-SIM isn't in https://github.com/mer-packages/wpa_supplicant/blob/master/rpm/build-config so I guess it's dead. | 14:30 |
| tore_ | regarding EAP: my jolla phone can't connect to the main wifi here at the IETF meeting, which uses PEAP. it sees the network but when I tap it I immediately get a "sorry, we couldn't connect you to this network" error message | 14:32 |
| tore_ | I uess that's a known issue? | 14:32 |
| tore_ | answering myself: yes: https://together.jolla.com/question/315/how-to-wpa-8021x-enterprise-eduroam-others-gui-wifi-support-needed-workaround/ | 14:34 |
| tbr | tore_: probably misses GUI | 14:34 |
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| tbr | tore_: yes, certificates are one aspect and cert mgmt hasn't shipped yet | 14:35 |
| tore_ | btw, dual works perfectly when roaming here in .cz - on some plmns it falls back on v4-only, another I get true DS | 14:36 |
| tore_ | so I'm crossing my fingers for changed default in v2.0 ;) | 14:37 |
| SQUelcher | on t-mobile germany i sometimes get DS, sometimes just v4 | 14:37 |
| SQUelcher | (and on a very very old AP a unfiltered public ipv4 (being able to ssh into the jolla from the internet is great ;) | 14:38 |
| Teemu | ds? | 14:39 |
| tore_ | SQUelcher: you know you get native v6? cause sfos will by default spin up 6to4 if it gets a public v4 address | 14:39 |
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| tore_ | noticed that on the ietf wlan.. | 14:39 |
| tore_ | if the ipv6 address you get starts with 2002: it's 6to4, which is evil and broken and must die | 14:40 |
| Teemu | ds: http://www.mad4wheels.com/webpics/hires/00000019%20-%201954%20Citroen%20DS/1954_Citroen_DS_001_1796.jpg | 14:40 |
| tore_ | if it's a native address that belongs to t-mobile per the ripe database, then my first guess would be there's a difference between 4G and 2/3G | 14:40 |
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| SQUelcher | tore_: 2a01:598:8181:af6b:... looks good ;) | 14:43 |
| SQUelcher | inet6num: 2a01:598:8000::/33 | 14:43 |
| SQUelcher | netname: Customer-v6-0001 | 14:43 |
| SQUelcher | descr: Telekom Deutschland GmbH | 14:43 |
| tore_ | cool stuff | 14:44 |
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| tore_ | try activating while on forced 3G, see if you still get v6 then | 14:44 |
| SQUelcher | let's see | 14:45 |
| tore_ | SQUelcher: if you send me the APN I could update https://together.jolla.com/question/89966/use-dual-stack-ipv4-and-ipv6-on-mobile-data-by-default/ with that info | 14:45 |
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| tore_ | is it nat64? try "ping6 ipv4only.arpa" - if you get unknown host it's not, if you actually tries to ping an ipv6 address it's dns64/nat64 (nothing will respond to your pings though so don't expect that) | 14:46 |
| SQUelcher | tore_: works on 3G and 4G but not on 2G, ping6 ipv4only.arpa returns "unknown host" | 14:49 |
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| tore_ | SQUelcher: hmm | 14:50 |
| tore_ | try pdp type ipv6 on 2g | 14:50 |
| tore_ | it could be that they don't support true dual-stack | 14:50 |
| tore_ | but single-stack ipv4 + single-stack ipv6 | 14:50 |
| tore_ | which could be done in parallel using 2 pdp contexts | 14:51 |
| SQUelcher | ipv6 only fails on 2G/3G/4G | 14:51 |
| tore_ | heh | 14:51 |
| tore_ | oddball network | 14:51 |
| tore_ | there's no reason to use dns64 on dual-stack pdp contexts | 14:51 |
| SQUelcher | tore_: i've said ping6 failed, so there is no dns64 | 14:52 |
| tore_ | ah, but can you connect? | 14:52 |
| tore_ | ping6 2a02:c0::1 | 14:53 |
| tore_ | for example | 14:53 |
| SQUelcher | yes, ping6 to this IP or ssh -6 to my server is working fine.. on a second try, i've now also got a v6 address on 2G | 14:54 |
| tore_ | < SQUelcher> tore_: works on 3G and 4G but not on 2G, ping6 ipv4only.arpa returns "unknown host" <--- I understood here that ping6 ipv4only.arpa failed with "unknown host" only on 2G but did actually resolve as ipv4 on 3G/4G, did I misunderstand? | 14:54 |
| SQUelcher | tore_: i've meant i didn't get a ipv6 on 2G at all, the ping6 result was the same every time | 14:55 |
| tore_ | ack. and only ip/dual gives you connectivity, ipv6 not | 14:55 |
| tore_ | on all technologies | 14:55 |
| SQUelcher | exactly | 14:55 |
| SQUelcher | they announced rolling out ipv6 only a few weeks ago, so it might not be reliable yet | 14:56 |
| tore_ | do you get an ipv6 link-local on 2G? | 14:56 |
| tore_ | maybe the router advertisement is getting dropped because 2G is teh suck | 14:57 |
| tore_ | without it, you can't form ipv6 address | 14:57 |
| SQUelcher | on a second try, ipv6 is fully working now, even on 2g | 14:57 |
| tore_ | but link-local (fe80::* address) is learned from pdp activation (info in pco) | 14:57 |
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| tore_ | so next time you repro problem with missing ipv6 on 2G, check if you got link-local. also you can try to manually solicit another RA from network with "rdisc6 rmnet1" (which might need to be installed I guess) | 14:59 |
| SQUelcher | tore_: the APN is internet.t-mobile, btw. | 15:00 |
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| tore_ | SQUelcher: ack. that's the only one it works on? since you said it was an old one... | 15:00 |
| tore_ | I could include link to announcement/official page with settings etc too if you have it | 15:01 |
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| SQUelcher | tore_: on the old one there is just a link-local | 15:04 |
| tore_ | oh, "internet.t-mobile" is not the old one? | 15:05 |
| SQUelcher | no, "internet.t-d1.de" is the old one | 15:05 |
| tore_ | aha, another misunderstanding :) I didn't sleep too well. prague is too hot and I'm in a cheap-arse hotel with no A/C | 15:05 |
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| tore_ | but interesting that you get a link-local on a v4-only apn | 15:08 |
| tore_ | since the UE doesn't get an ipv6 interface id then, so it lacks the last 64 bits to create an ipv6 ll address | 15:09 |
| tore_ | maybe it just picks something at random | 15:09 |
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| tore_ | SQUelcher: yep, it seems like it will pick a random link-local even when explicitly connecting ipv4-only | 15:44 |
| tore_ | SQUelcher: so that's not a good indication at all | 15:44 |
| tore_ | explicit router discovery might be though | 15:44 |
| tore_ | it's not at all unlikely that the initial RAs from the network never make it to the UE on 2G, especially if it's already begun sending real ipv4 traffic at the same time | 15:45 |
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| tore_ | SQUelcher: anyway, I updated the page | 15:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | wow the vocal minority are really bashing the jolla blog | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: should i read it with or without a cold beer in my hand? | 16:52 |
| r0kk3rz | with of course | 16:52 |
| kimmoli | i have cold beer while reading. . | 16:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | i find it more amusing than damaging though, some of the claims are rather laughable | 16:53 |
| r0kk3rz | but then again, im just an outsider, rather than the person doing all the hard work | 16:54 |
| kimmoli | i'm at "stick to samsung" part... | 16:54 |
| wysiwtf | always the same with crowdfunding | 16:54 |
| wysiwtf | when will people realize devs cant see the future? | 16:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi kimmoli | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | wysiwtf: yeah, that's business side responsibility :p | 16:55 |
| wysiwtf | i mean if i pay for a non-existent product theres of course a risk involved | 16:55 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 16:55 |
| wysiwtf | and not sticking to the schedule 100% is a smaller one there... | 16:55 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | why someone even gives money to crowdfunding if can't handle little delay? | 16:56 |
| kimmoli | 4% of funded campaigns ships on time.. | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | HarhaanJohtaja: crowdfunding is a new thing for many | 16:56 |
| wysiwtf | for all i know jolla could announce they are not making hardware anymore and concentrate on sailfish development and thank you for the fish | 16:56 |
| kimmoli | dr_gogeta86: hi | 16:56 |
| * kimmoli goes back to sauna | 16:56 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | rostbach, url | 16:56 |
| r0kk3rz | the ones about missing an arbitrary personal deadline are the best | 16:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | kimmoli, i'm doing it for free 40 degrees | 16:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | r0kk3rz, urls | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | dr_gogeta86: the jolla blog, comments on the latest tablet update | 16:57 |
| r0kk3rz | https://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-display-shipping-update/ | 16:58 |
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| plfiorini | i contributed to the early 2015 campaign | 17:01 |
| plfiorini | shame on me :) | 17:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | shame for ? | 17:02 |
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| plfiorini | now i guess i will wait more than who contributed in 2014 :) | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | hope it's still worth the wait | 17:04 |
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| plfiorini | why wouldn't it | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure all the bad blood will go away as soon as they have it | 17:06 |
| r0kk3rz | people are just being impatient children | 17:06 |
| lainwir3d | impatient assholes i would say | 17:07 |
| locusf | the Queen song still stands | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | nah.. people are upset that deadlines slipped | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | that's fair | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | but at same time, we don't want to send out a bad product :) | 17:07 |
| plfiorini | that would backfire | 17:07 |
| plfiorini | people can take long walks on the beach, it's summer after all | 17:08 |
| plfiorini | and find the tablet wrapped under the xmas tree | 17:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | plfiorini, we are in era when 100k dumb italian bought a phone that is a just yet another MTK china phone ... | 17:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and the seller says | 17:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | we are just two peeps to do all things | 17:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | they sent just 300 samples | 17:10 |
| plfiorini | dr_gogeta86, marketing is a bitch | 17:12 |
| plfiorini | at least is not that scam phone that doesn't need batteries | 17:13 |
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| kimmoli | dr_gogeta86: +40 is really bad sauna... i like it about 70-80... as there is no separate washing room, just lake | 17:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | no idea how hot they got it going when i was in finland | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | was nice though, totally get why you guys do it | 17:18 |
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| chem|st | oh this pussy parade | 17:19 |
| kimmoli | chem|st is having a good day... | 17:19 |
| chem|st | fed with that crap, mimimi I will send it back and buy android, than you stupid shit should buy an android in the firstplace | 17:20 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: I have a good week! | 17:20 |
| kimmoli | yeah, i have seen your bad one :p | 17:20 |
| chem|st | starting off with 2h meeting in an AC free conference room at 34 degrees | 17:20 |
| r0kk3rz | there is an awful lot of whinging going on in the jollaverse atm though | 17:20 |
| r0kk3rz | between tablet, and batteries, and other such things | 17:21 |
| wysiwtf | i want a thinkpad x250 :( | 17:21 |
| kimmoli | +15 raining and building terrace | 17:21 |
| kimmoli | polarbear with it | 17:21 |
| chem|st | I have zero money atm, just after I ordered 4 things by supporting crowdfunding I had to pay my student loan | 17:21 |
| chem|st | yes I'd like to have the tablet like last year, as I am also having an android tablet that I will shred in pieces once I have my jTab! | 17:22 |
| kimmoli | i need to tear apart my jolla Tablet.. | 17:23 |
| chem|st | wysiwtf: I want a timemachine, not to go back... to go fast fwd 5 years | 17:23 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: that is why you ordered two right? | 17:23 |
| kimmoli | ... | 17:24 |
| chem|st | you did order two? | 17:24 |
| kimmoli | i need to check | 17:24 |
| chem|st | hehe | 17:24 |
| chem|st | ouch | 17:24 |
| wysiwtf | chem|st: the base costs of the two devices are roughly the same :/ | 17:24 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps, btw are you using the new eglfs on the tablet, being intel? | 17:24 |
| chem|st | wysiwtf: the time machine is rather cheap though | 17:26 |
| wysiwtf | chem|st: you may think so but once you try to get hold of a working flux capacitor things look different! | 17:26 |
| chem|st | so need to gen a new btc address for android destroyer thread on tjc, any suggestions? | 17:27 |
| chem|st | wysiwtf: the batteries will be the hardest to get... | 17:27 |
| chem|st | never in stock and if they are they are gone before anyone could order | 17:27 |
| wysiwtf | just use the one from the jolla phone! | 17:28 |
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| chem|st | hmm but what do I use as time-navigation-interface then? | 17:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | plfiorini, who knows ... I've asked for a dev devices ... didn't answared | 17:28 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: an occulus rift of course | 17:29 |
| wysiwtf | chem|st: or even better, design a time machine to be connected to the jolla as ToH | 17:29 |
| wysiwtf | im sure it would be a major success | 17:29 |
| chem|st | actually I could get a spacecraft and fly by a dwarf next to a blackhole, time is running slower there | 17:29 |
| chem|st | wysiwtf: that was the initial idea | 17:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | disregarding the time it would take to get anywhere near a black hole | 17:30 |
| r0kk3rz | even at C | 17:30 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: about bad week, it got close to it last night, and I am still uncertain if it will hold "good" the next 72h | 17:31 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: even better at C, the travel alone will then be enough | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: i wish | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: hwcomposer android HAL interface | 17:32 |
| chem|st | but I'd rather do stuff like wormholing than try to reach a blackhole normaly | 17:33 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: HAL, just because of that I will destroy that android device! | 17:34 |
| kimmoli | hitchhike? | 17:34 |
| chem|st | kimmoli: where do I get that ring? | 17:34 |
| kimmoli | i was thinking more the fish that i could understand you | 17:35 |
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| plfiorini | Stskeeps, i don't envy you :) | 17:47 |
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| chem|st | kimmoli: https://together.jolla.com/question/102325/hail-jolla-tablet/ | 18:02 |
| chem|st | celebrate tablet delivery with me! | 18:03 |
| urs | instead of destroying it, you could give it away for free! | 18:04 |
| urs | because, you know, it is still a good piece of hardware | 18:04 |
| chem|st | urs: I will not harm people on intention! | 18:04 |
| wysiwtf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uNPh_FHz5g | 18:04 |
| truls | do you recycle stuff where you live, chem|st | 18:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | chem|st, port sfos on it | 18:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 18:05 |
| truls | cause breaking a pad would probably cost you a couple of years worth of recycling karma | 18:05 |
| chem|st | truls: I will bring the remains to a recycling center | 18:05 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and recycle it as home dashboard | 18:05 |
| truls | it was a related, but unrelated, question | 18:06 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: omap, locusf already tried | 18:06 |
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| urs | chem|st: you could also just simply ship it back to samsung, with a letter "Thanks, but no." | 18:07 |
| chem|st | it was a wasted 290eur, it is even the GSM version, so it is a real phablet, one of the first | 18:07 |
| urs | or: return it to the store! | 18:08 |
| chem|st | urs: write that in the answer, a letter signed by 1k community members with "Thanks, but no!" | 18:08 |
| chem|st | urs: shredded to bits and pieces in a paperbag... | 18:09 |
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| chem|st | with a thumbdrive with the video on it, a note, that will happen to all your devices once I get them! | 18:09 |
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| wysiwtf | hm | 18:57 |
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| wysiwtf | thunderbird seems to think the jolla mails are phishing | 18:57 |
| Sail0r | yep | 18:57 |
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| wysiwtf | i wonder what triggers i | 18:59 |
| wysiwtf | t | 18:59 |
| the_mgt | probably some wording. I get legit emails from clients which are triggers as phishing, too | 18:59 |
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| Stskeeps | so, imagine that you could use your murmurs (speech with less volume than a whisper) as spoken commands, what situations would you use them in? | 19:31 |
| the_mgt | writing sms in the cinema? | 19:34 |
| Sail0r | nobody needs to write damn sms in the cinema | 19:35 |
| Teemu | wrong movie if you need to communicate during a movie | 19:35 |
| Sail0r | I am for jammers all over in cinemas | 19:35 |
| Teemu | just walk out if it is boring | 19:35 |
| Sail0r | yeah | 19:35 |
| Sail0r | and let other people enjoy the movie | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | how about talking in the cinema without talking :p | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | to others | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, i agree somewhat | 19:37 |
| Teemu | i'd use the clearly very sensitive mic to detect and measure where the obnoxious candy eater is and aim the tazer gun automagically that way | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | i still don't fully understand why they don't just hand in headphones with 3d sound to people in cinemas.. | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:38 |
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| Sail0r | that's why I have a home cinema no popcorn eating, facebook chatting people all around :D | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: there was a python program i saw that was a messaging application using infrasonic sounds from laptop speakers to transmit messages | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | i always wondered about rolling that into a phone for zero data ultra local chat | 19:38 |
| keithzg | Pshhh, movie theatres can't even be arsed to use non-scratched 3D goggles half the time, no way they're shelling out for headphones | 19:39 |
| keithzg | One of the reasons I'm generally lazy and just wait for movies to come out for home viewing, then watch them on my projector. | 19:39 |
| keithzg | First thing that comes to mind though, I'd use murmers to control audio and ask my phone quick questions while I'm walking about, instead of having to take it out of my pockets. | 19:39 |
| the_mgt | I wouldn't use murmurs in the first place, I just made up a scenario | 19:40 |
| keithzg | "hey phone, play The Light Footwork. Also, what's 5 inches in centimeters?" | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i could see it as excellent for 'remember the milk' or GTD style stuff | 19:41 |
| * keithzg grumbles daily about how this supposedly metric-using country still seems to measure most things in feet and inches, and weigh things in pounds | 19:41 | |
| Stskeeps | i could really like translation toggling.. | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | murmuring a 'live translation' | 19:42 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: headphones for mids and his but low bass needs to be served at room temp | 19:42 |
| keithzg | Stskeeps: Yeah, I use my Android device for to-do stuff often, but it's not something I'd feel like doing on a crowded bus, for instance. Murmurs would work well for that. | 19:42 |
| the_mgt | ok, maybe, murmuring in order to take notes seems legit | 19:42 |
| chem|st | I have 5.1 headphones, they are nice, and even the bass sound is good but you mis the chair vibrating | 19:43 |
| Yaniel | somehow that brings to mind some random spy moview | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: yeah, true | 19:43 |
| Yaniel | a shady character grabs a device from their pocket and murmurs to it in a low voice "remember to buy milk" | 19:43 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: I built my own speakers, ~450eur stereo, awesome as long as you do not want surround (yet) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: sounds like a job for wearables.. | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:44 |
| keithzg | Yaniel: "Remember to buy milk . . . and duct tape. Lots of duct tape." | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | remember murmuring is audio others essentially can't hear | 19:44 |
| chem|st | keithzg: can we have proper media-player before we do stuff like that please?! | 19:45 |
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| keithzg | chem|st: *shrug* no harm in thought experiments! | 19:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, will it works ? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | dr_gogeta86: never know until you try it.. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: write one yourself if nothing is sufficient | 19:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I see everyday people using whatapp voice messages and I feel it like stupid think | 19:47 |
| chem|st | time for som frats on fire! later! | 19:47 |
| r0kk3rz | the rest of us can experiment with bluetooth mind controlling of mobile devices :P | 19:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, jobs for your bt headset rather then my wrist computer | 19:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | g watch mic is so futile | 19:48 |
| Yaniel | like... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSyynT9IidU | 19:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: https://github.com/Katee/quietnet jolla to jolla murmuring | 19:51 |
| dr_gogeta86 | r0kk3rz, bookmarked | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure how good the jollas speakers are at repoducing that high frequency though | 19:55 |
| r0kk3rz | kinda ruins the effect if you can still hear it | 19:55 |
| r0kk3rz | worth experimenting with though | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: curious | 19:55 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | porters chan sleep tonight | 20:00 |
| r0kk3rz | awimaway awimaway awimaway | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | in the channel the quiet channel the porters sleep tonight | 20:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | +1 | 20:03 |
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