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| flux | is it just me.. or does the calendar sync from owncloud->jolla actually work now without messing up the times?-) (I'm not running the limited distribution update) | 08:43 |
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| chem|st | Aciid: it shipped in may | 09:29 |
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| flux | lipevakala, well, those two things go hand-to-hand :) | 09:40 |
| chem|st | Lipevakala: subjectively related to 1.1.7.24 | 09:41 |
| chem|st | Lipevakala: it is like "1.1.x.x messed up my media library", no it did not, the upgrade process probably failed to recover tracker db properly, we have had that with all 15 upgrades... | 09:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah im not sure why they dont just drop and rebuild the tracker db as part of the process | 09:46 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: never checked, maybe doing that is the problem?! | 09:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | unlikely, because thats what fixes it for me | 09:49 |
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| chem|st | missing items in the db usually means it failed to rebuild, if it would not update anything nothing would go missing... | 09:54 |
| chem|st | "for me" is exactly the point, sometimes no trackerd -se does help it, you need to stop trackerd, delete the db files by hand and start tracker again as something in between hung | 09:55 |
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| deryo | Yeah, another spam attack at TJC... going on right now. | 10:24 |
| * tbr checks | 10:24 | |
| deryo | Well, more like a garbage attack :D | 10:25 |
| tbr | user killed | 10:25 |
| tbr | cleanup will take a bit | 10:25 |
| deryo | tbr: thanks | 10:25 |
| tbr | there are some other suspicuous looking new accounts, but no postings. will keep an eye on it. | 10:26 |
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| coderus | anybody from harbour qa here? | 10:27 |
| flux | [crap] [crap] [crap] [crap] "Spam prevention at TJC" [crap] [crap] [crap] ;) | 10:28 |
| coderus | i need to disable flattr links in harbour for my applications as soon as possible. | 10:30 |
| flux | coderus, how come? legal ramifications? | 10:31 |
| flux | the TJC spam attack isn't much of an attack given the number of users and the rate of messages flowing in.. | 10:31 |
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| deryo | I guess the spam rate is this low on purpose so you won't notice it's spam at once. It's intended to appear as just another normal post. Also the catchy titles, e.g. '????[????]?O1O?3O57?7112??????????' are real-wold examples of typical TJC questions. | 10:35 |
| Lieke | no utf8? | 10:38 |
| coderus | flux: i can't withdraw it in my country | 10:39 |
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| flux | coderus, that's quite unfortunate | 10:39 |
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| coderus | i expected this, but users asked me to enable flattr | 10:41 |
| r0kk3rz | disabling the links wont help the people that have already flattrd though | 10:53 |
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| cybrNaut | why does this channel coexist with #SailFish? Aren't they the same? | 10:57 |
| chem|st | coderus: any way to BTC flattr? | 10:57 |
| chem|st | cybrNaut: this is the official jolla channel so is #sailfishos, jolla is the company sailfish the os | 10:58 |
| cybrNaut | chem|st: in that case, i guess i'm surprised there is more interest in the company than the OS, judging from the channel counts | 11:00 |
| chem|st | and #sailfish has probably been registered to have it registered by jolla | 11:00 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: this is not an official channel though :P | 11:01 |
| chem|st | cybrNaut: #sailfishos is devel | 11:01 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: more or less | 11:01 |
| cybrNaut | ah, ok | 11:01 |
| chem|st | cybrNaut: no clue what is talked in #sailfish though | 11:02 |
| chem|st | cybrNaut: this channel is more the general chat | 11:02 |
| cybrNaut | chem|st: then i'm in the right place | 11:02 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: waht is #sailfish for? | 11:03 |
| tbr | cybrNaut: #sailfish was meant to be redirected permanently to #sailfishos - but somehow it always resets and then people end up idling there | 11:03 |
| cybrNaut | i was just wondering if sailfish is more or less proprietary than Android | 11:03 |
| chem|st | tbr: ta | 11:03 |
| tbr | cybrNaut: it's differently so | 11:03 |
| cybrNaut | and I was wondering if Yotahone is switching to sailfish, in the end | 11:03 |
| r0kk3rz | nobody knows the answer to that one | 11:04 |
| tbr | their official statement after the yahoo news piece was "nope" | 11:04 |
| tbr | the only confirmed company is intex | 11:04 |
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| krosos | hello. anybody else experiencing a no longer waking up jolla phone after having tapped the "start optimization" button for the (current?dev?) upgrade? | 11:56 |
| citylight2 | hay, can I use pulse audio to play music from my laptop to my jolla over the lan? | 12:03 |
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| pdanek | Any news about new Sailfish phone since MWC? | 12:23 |
| coderus | chem|st: no BTC in russia :D | 12:28 |
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| chem|st | coderus: what do you have? | 12:29 |
| chem|st | pdanek: which one? shanghai or barcelona? | 12:30 |
| pdanek | Shanghai | 12:31 |
| coderus | chem|st: paypal, qiwi, yandex money | 12:32 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: new press releases every 7 days? | 12:36 |
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| pdanek | chem|st: what? where? | 12:41 |
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| ayrie | date | 13:13 |
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| parasemic | so, my jolla bricked suddenly | 13:35 |
| parasemic | how long was the warranty? | 13:35 |
| tbr | depends on who from and how you bought it | 13:36 |
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| parasemic | straight from jolla from the crowdfunding campaign | 13:39 |
| tbr | personal pickup on first day or delivery | 13:40 |
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| parasemic | personal pickup | 13:41 |
| tbr | then you should check the receipt, but IIRC it was DNA | 13:41 |
| parasemic | thank god you dont need a receipt in finland | 13:42 |
| tbr | 2 years statuory EU warranty (6/18 month split for burden of proof), etc, etc | 13:42 |
| tbr | no, but the receipt will state your contractual party for the sale | 13:42 |
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| parasemic | is there anything i can try at home to fix the phone | 13:43 |
| parasemic | it suddenly turned off with 90% battery and wont turn back on | 13:43 |
| parasemic | loops a bit after jolla logo and then goes dead | 13:43 |
| tbr | remove the battery, clean the contacts | 13:43 |
| tbr | that's not "won't turn on"... | 13:44 |
| parasemic | well, it wont boot | 13:44 |
| tbr | then it's off to recovery menu | 13:44 |
| parasemic | how? | 13:44 |
| raimue | https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/204709607 | 13:44 |
| tbr | there you go | 13:44 |
| parasemic | ty | 13:45 |
| tbr | good news: the phone hardware is probably just fine | 13:45 |
| parasemic | i was thinking it's moisture damage | 13:45 |
| tbr | as opposed to "won't turn on at all" | 13:45 |
| tbr | what makes you think so? | 13:45 |
| parasemic | i may have been out partying and sweating like a pig when it shut down | 13:45 |
| tbr | ah | 13:45 |
| parasemic | thought its been through similar conditions times and times again without issues | 13:46 |
| parasemic | i guess ill find out | 13:46 |
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| parasemic | hmm, it seems to boot into recovery mode | 13:51 |
| parasemic | so im thinking the lock screen media controls patch broke it | 13:52 |
| r0kk3rz | parasemic: how so/ | 13:52 |
| parasemic | its been bugging a lot | 13:52 |
| parasemic | after patching it up, it started to kill the interface (freeze, black screen with red led blinking and turning back on after 10-20 blinks or so) | 13:53 |
| parasemic | reinstalled cutespot which seemed to fix the issue, but it still bugged out once in a while | 13:53 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds like you should talk to coderus | 13:53 |
| parasemic | yea | 13:53 |
| parasemic | ill see about that later today, i gtg now | 13:54 |
| parasemic | ty for help | 13:54 |
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| parasemic | is there a way to skip the tutorial? | 15:46 |
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| locusf | tap on corners clockwise | 15:49 |
| locusf | start from top left | 15:49 |
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| parasemic | ah, ty | 15:54 |
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| tiwake | still no reply from jolla | 16:10 |
| Coolgeek | on sunday, seems logic | 16:13 |
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| tiwake | well sure :P | 16:14 |
| tiwake | its been a few business days though | 16:14 |
| rsz | how to convert true type font files to jolla installers? | 16:15 |
| tiwake | it might take a while I suppose for the question to make it to the right set of people | 16:15 |
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| parasemic | what is the latest SFOS version? | 16:27 |
| r0kk3rz | 1.1.6/1.1.7 depending | 16:28 |
| parasemic | depending on early access? | 16:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 16:29 |
| r0kk3rz | 1.1.7 should be released sometime this week so long everything is going ok | 16:29 |
| r0kk3rz | to everyone that is | 16:29 |
| flux | seems like it is going ok? | 16:30 |
| Nicd- | this week? | 16:30 |
| Nicd- | as in the next few hours? :D | 16:30 |
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| parasemic | some strange people concider sunday the first day of the week | 16:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | not to mention the inexact parlance of 'this' and 'next' when referring to weeks | 16:33 |
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| parasemic | uhm, what was the directory for backups? i have a tarred backup but cant remember where to untar it | 17:05 |
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| parasemic | nvm found it | 17:17 |
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| krosos | well, being evening i ask again, did the recent dev release bork the phone for anyone else? it wasn't the upgrade itself for me, it was just tapping the "start optimizing" dialogue | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | may be that your filesystem was already too far gone | 19:20 |
| krosos | parasemic or me? | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | you | 19:23 |
| krosos | hm. | 19:23 |
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| krosos | so reset to the original image is the only optiuon it seems | 19:24 |
| arvut | hi, sending files over bluetooth, how? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | when i'm back from my holiday i think i'll see what we can do to simply lvm-ext4-ify the jolla1. | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | btrfs is such a pita | 19:24 |
| arvut | from media library etc etc | 19:24 |
| krosos | btrfs can be a pain.. when it breaks, it breaks for good and gone most of the time. | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | at least with ext4 the cracks start to appear visibly :p | 19:26 |
| Coolgeek | why choosing btrfs for jolla ? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | it seemed like a good idea at the time. | 19:27 |
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| Stskeeps | tablet looks like it'll have lvm+ext4 instead | 19:27 |
| Coolgeek | hmm, why lvm ? | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | various good reasons | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | (i don't know offhand) | 19:28 |
| Coolgeek | ok :) | 19:28 |
| Coolgeek | just being curious :p | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | because you can snapshot it like btrfs | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | afaik | 19:29 |
| Coolgeek | hmm, ok | 19:30 |
| Coolgeek | snapshot just before an upgrade ? | 19:30 |
| chem|st | Coolgeek: more revert snapshot when doing factory reset | 19:31 |
| chem|st | s/revert/restore/ | 19:31 |
| Coolgeek | hmmm | 19:31 |
| chem|st | that is how snapshots are used atm | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | but i dont see how you could even begin to roll out a filesystem change in an OTA update | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | unless you pull some serious voodoo | 19:31 |
| krosos | yes... | 19:32 |
| Coolgeek | juste making guess | 19:32 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: no need for serious vodoo | 19:32 |
| chem|st | it might be easiest to do it with a factory reset though | 19:33 |
| chem|st | and for now it is not planned to get the phone to lvm | 19:33 |
| chem|st | afaik | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | [20:24]Stskeepswhen i'm back from my holiday i think i'll see what we can do to simply lvm-ext4-ify the jolla1. | 19:34 |
| r0kk3rz | proper hatian voodoo, none of this hollywood nonsense | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: it may include an external sd card.. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:35 |
| Venemo_j | lol | 19:35 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats all well and good, but that just means not everyone is going to be off btrfs | 19:36 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: planned and what Stskeeps is doing are two very different things! | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | and you'll still have to deal with it | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. it's not the most reliable procedure | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: obviously, before plan you must experiment | 19:37 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: captain? | 19:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | unless you want to mail pre-programmed 32gb sdcards to everyone Stskeeps | 19:41 |
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| arvut | so, any of u know how to send files via bt (anything, not just pics) from one jolla to another? | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | arvut: documents can do it | 19:51 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | FileCase from Openrepos might be one | 19:52 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | But can Jolla receive just some filetypes via bt? | 19:54 |
| arvut | documents has no browsing option | 19:54 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | try FileCase | 19:55 |
| arvut | sure | 19:55 |
| arvut | do I need to add this open repo to store or is it in android apps? | 19:57 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | https://openrepos.net/content/cepiperez/filecase-0 | 19:57 |
| arvut | does the jolla store use .rpm's? | 20:00 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i guess so | 20:03 |
| arvut | oh well, sisters phone dying, its my hotspot, catch u l8r | 20:03 |
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| Knofte | Snapchat wont work without google play, and that doesnt seem to work, without a hack.. any hints? | 20:23 |
| truls | its an easy hack that works tho | 20:24 |
| truls | https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 20:25 |
| Knofte | 19 steps is "an easy hack" ? | 20:25 |
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| Knofte | the whole "warranty void" is a bit messy as "solution" :) | 20:29 |
| truls | i got a new phone on warranty with google play installed, but it wasnt remotely related issue tho | 20:30 |
| chem|st | Knofte: if you feel uncomfortable with going the full length to get gservices installed, maybe selling you soul isn't worth it anyway? | 20:31 |
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| chem|st | Knofte: and the "old" howtos look much simpler to me, never done 19 steps, I downloaded gapps for 4.2.2 pulled the system folder over and installed 2 apks... does not sound like 19 steps to me | 20:33 |
| Knofte | chem|st: no, yhat sounds easier =) | 20:34 |
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| chem|st | a step by step instruction will always look like 19 steps... including but not limited to downloading, extracting and changing directories... | 20:36 |
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| Knofte | And that will be possible to update this version of gplay since it's very old? | 20:42 |
| Knofte | or will that install the broken package again? | 20:42 |
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| Knofte | i never understood why gplay would need access to calls and sms though.. anyways, it looks fine now actually, just need to see if it works after upgrade.. | 20:43 |
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| chem|st | Knofte: it should upgrade just fine | 20:43 |
| Knofte | chem|st: giving it a go =) | 20:45 |
| Knofte | well, nothing really happens after clicking 'update'. Let's wait and see.. | 20:46 |
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| Knofte | Eiterhw ay, the appdevels need a bomb on twitter to make it native for sailfish anyways.. done* | 20:49 |
| Knofte | well, chem|st phone freezes as soon as clicking 'accept' on google update. | 20:52 |
| Knofte | err, app freezes, not phone. | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | we may see a first-partyish spotify app soon | 20:52 |
| r0kk3rz | kinda third-party but made by a spotify developer | 20:53 |
| Knofte | Hmm, i know the CTO, do you want a native perhaps? | 21:01 |
| r0kk3rz | tell the cto to let his developer release his app as proper | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | but i suspect said cto already knows about it | 21:02 |
| chem|st | Knofte: not updating is another issue, maybe uninstall and install again? | 21:02 |
| Knofte | r0kk3rz: done, publically. | 21:03 |
| chem|st | I have zero gplay apps not updating | 21:03 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: who needs spotify? | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | not me | 21:03 |
| truls | truckers with 4g and bluetooth audio | 21:03 |
| truls | <- | 21:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | i wrote my own music app | 21:04 |
| chem|st | truls: how about a radio? | 21:04 |
| r0kk3rz | but people seem to like it | 21:04 |
| Knofte | chem|st: nah, gplay it self needed updating, not apps. | 21:04 |
| truls | radio coverage is poorer than 4g coverage in my part of the world, and radio only plays shit | 21:04 |
| chem|st | Knofte: that is up to date for me, once it needed a couple of attempts to do so as the dl failed | 21:04 |
| Knofte | But ah reboot solved it. | 21:05 |
| Knofte | yeah, mine didnt even change to download screen, just froze. | 21:05 |
| chem|st | truls: better 4g than radio? where do you live? | 21:05 |
| Knofte | but now it looks ok. | 21:05 |
| truls | chem|st: west-coast of norway | 21:05 |
| chem|st | Knofte: f-droid seems to crash every time I update it... just seems | 21:06 |
| truls | lots of fjords and mountains and tunnels | 21:06 |
| Sidde | same here acctually | 21:06 |
| Knofte | chem|st: noted :) | 21:06 |
| Sidde | better 4g than VHF | 21:06 |
| Sidde | Norrland in Sweden here | 21:06 |
| chem|st | so they manage to get good 4g coverage? but emergency services like plain radio does not work? | 21:07 |
| Sidde | i'm a sailor, we normally use mobile phone instead of vhf when we race | 21:07 |
| chem|st | Sidde: talked about that lately... and it is the most stupid I ever heard about sailing! | 21:07 |
| truls | i was about to say "using vhf as an example? i guess youre a fisherman" | 21:07 |
| Sidde | chem|st: :D | 21:08 |
| truls | chem|st: yes, as theres big competition on the cellular networks between two companies that compete in coverage | 21:08 |
| Sidde | the best is the 450mhz network | 21:08 |
| chem|st | no I am a sailor, with a decent mp3 database, I will never rely on streaming for good music! | 21:08 |
| Sidde | 8mbit of broadband more or less on the entire bothnian sea | 21:09 |
| Sidde | all the way over to finland | 21:09 |
| chem|st | while that is nice, I will rip you in pieces when you do not respond to my distress call and I make it back shore! ;) | 21:10 |
| Sidde | way better than the vhf radio that only travels to places on your horizon | 21:10 |
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| Sidde | chem|st: i use local music on the boat, or normal rm radio | 21:11 |
| Sidde | and i don't have any vhf license, so i wont answer :D | 21:11 |
| chem|st | Sidde: I mean the gsm for ship2ship conversations | 21:11 |
| chem|st | Sidde: NC flags up... hope that is enough of a call | 21:12 |
| Sidde | it would be good to have vhf and i'm planning to take a certificate, but it's pretty useless | 21:14 |
| Sidde | because of the license, none is using it for ship2ship | 21:14 |
| Sidde | and with no marinas using it, it has very litte function outside ship2ship | 21:15 |
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| kid | y | 21:24 |
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| kid | #err | 21:24 |
| chem|st | vhf is a must have I think, just like any other emergency stuff | 21:24 |
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| chem|st | and the license is like 60eur... | 21:25 |
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| arvut | hi again, how do I install software from open repos? | 22:43 |
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| M4rtinK | arvut: install the Warehouse Open Repos client | 22:48 |
| arvut | alright | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | arvut: see https://together.jolla.com/question/28743/solvedhow-to-install-warehouse/ | 22:48 |
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| arvut | i can do it with terminal too, can't I? | 22:54 |
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| chem|st | arvut: openrepos is each developer has an own repo, you need to add each repo by hand if you want to stick to terminal | 23:22 |
| arvut | ah, like the old days of ubuntu | 23:24 |
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| chem|st | more like current days of slackware | 23:27 |
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| krosos | what's the card used by jolla phone for the ethernet (having issues with configuring my kernel right to get my gnu/linux gentoo computer get the USB IP working with the jolla)? | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK | Open Repos it's actually quite close to how Ubuntu PPAs or Fedoras COPR work :) | 23:47 |
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| M4rtinK | well, minus building the packages from source | 23:47 |
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