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| dirkvl | fans of bamwar5.com here :p | 06:16 |
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| TMavica | Jolla together under attack?? | 06:27 |
| locusf | agai? | 06:30 |
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| dirkvl | y | 06:32 |
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| ced117 | this crap... | 06:49 |
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| Lieke | no worries, coderus already marked two of the posts as spam, he'll be done with all of them in a few hours I'd bet | 07:09 |
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| Nightmare__ | can someone turn off new topics on together until those spam bots are killed? | 07:18 |
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| ced117 | i hope so :-/ | 07:21 |
| ced117 | this fucking spam just wont stop. | 07:21 |
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| tbr | it stopped. at least currently all users are blocked who were posting those | 07:21 |
| ced117 | good. | 07:22 |
| tbr | they were creating new accounts though | 07:22 |
| tbr | so keeping an eye on thta | 07:22 |
| ced117 | :-/ | 07:23 |
| tbr | also please don't mark posts or interact with them. that puts your username on them. I almost killed a legitimate user that way... | 07:23 |
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| ced117 | ok tbr, noted. | 07:23 |
| Nightmare__ | oh there is no captcha on the jolla account creation page | 07:24 |
| Nightmare__ | tbr: check | 07:24 |
| tbr | looks like they gave up for now | 07:24 |
| tbr | ping me if they come back | 07:24 |
| ced117 | ok ! | 07:24 |
| tbr | I think someone with database access should clean out the posts though | 07:25 |
| Nightmare__ | +1 | 07:25 |
| tbr | it's rather slow to open them in tabs, scroll down, delete, confirm | 07:25 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: who has db-admin on TJC to clean up? | 07:27 |
| tbr | tigeli: ^^^ | 07:27 |
| ced117 | right | 07:28 |
| TemeV | Oh, there is 46 pages of that shit | 07:28 |
| ced117 | that many... | 07:28 |
| ced117 | tbr, it's starting again... | 07:36 |
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| chem|st | tbr: eric at least, the db seems or the site seems to run bugged after teh "maintenance break" yesterday... | 07:38 |
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| * tbr went through 'recent users' and blocked the obvious spammers | 07:46 | |
| tbr | there are a few with zero posts that look suspicious | 07:48 |
| ced117 | :-) | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: think our IT is on it | 07:48 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: good | 07:48 |
| tbr | all I could do was stop the post influx anyway | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | i find it rather curius it's korean | 07:50 |
| Nightmare__ | do you think these users are created manually or automated? | 07:50 |
| tbr | looked manual. IIRC registration needs email confirmation, which can be scripted, but is also cheap to outsource to some monkeys | 07:51 |
| * Stskeeps heads off to a walk in the park | 07:51 | |
| tbr | even the posts could be manual. at least they looked like it | 07:52 |
| ced117 | why are they doing this here anyway... | 07:52 |
| Coolgeek | because they can ? | 07:56 |
| ced117 | ha, right... :-p | 07:57 |
| Coolgeek | btw, some questions. Is is possible to import contact and SMS from an android phone ? | 07:58 |
| Nightmare__ | manual posts und users are hard to fight | 07:58 |
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| chem|st | tbr: the tmo attacks also seemed like manual account creation, looks like the same pattern of posts too | 08:00 |
| chem|st | Coolgeek: SMS? don't know how to export them from android | 08:01 |
| ced117 | wow, good question | 08:01 |
| Coolgeek | chem|st: I found it on my phone. It make a file on my SDcard | 08:01 |
| Coolgeek | maybe it's a feature from HTC then | 08:01 |
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| chem|st | don't remember who but someone wrote a script for N9>Jolla, look at that for importing patterns | 08:02 |
| Coolgeek | so, there is no already made script to do that... will try when I will receive it | 08:03 |
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| Coolgeek | the export is in binary format >_< | 08:07 |
| chem|st | Coolgeek: don't know, most people I know doing that stuff come from maemo, not android, search tmo and tjc | 08:08 |
| chem|st | or ask on both | 08:09 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: .kr is the anual attack on tmo, looks like same patterns and eric is aware, I already told him to mark that date in calendar for next year | 08:10 |
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| Coolgeek | hmm, managed to have my SMS into a csv file, seems quite straight forwards to turn it into a csv file for jollaImport | 08:35 |
| Coolgeek | does the phone can import vcf file for contacts | 08:36 |
| Coolgeek | ? | 08:36 |
| Nightmare__ | yes | 08:37 |
| Coolgeek | great :D | 08:38 |
| Nightmare__ | settings/apps/contacts/import from file | 08:38 |
| Coolgeek | my phone exported my contact into one single vcf file | 08:38 |
| Coolgeek | should be good then :D | 08:38 |
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| coderus | " please don't mark posts or interact with them. that puts your username on them. I almost killed a legitimate user that way..." haha, okaay :D | 08:48 |
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| coderus | i stopped when realized it's more 40 pages :D | 08:49 |
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| coderus | btw, right after announcing intex phone, right? | 08:53 |
| chem|st | coderus: doubt it is related | 08:55 |
| coderus | coincidence? don't think so :D | 08:55 |
| chem|st | it is the same pattern as the annual tmo spamfest, also .kr | 08:56 |
| coderus | it will be better, if they create new users and vote for sailfish features on tmo. +100 votes each hour, cool? :D | 08:57 |
| coderus | oh, not tmo, tjc ofc. | 08:57 |
| Coolgeek | is there a link for those votes ? | 08:58 |
| chem|st | hehe | 08:58 |
| coderus | Coolgeek: link to what? | 08:58 |
| Coolgeek | the page of the vote | 08:58 |
| Coolgeek | want to see what is there :p | 08:58 |
| coderus | open tjc, search interesting feature request, and click on ^ button | 08:58 |
| Coolgeek | ok | 08:58 |
| coderus | tjc is designed for taht: to help jolla have motivation for implementing high votedd features | 08:59 |
| chem|st | Coolgeek: as you are just transfering android>jolla you seem to be new then right? tjc is together.jolla.com Q&A platform used as polling system | 08:59 |
| Coolgeek | chem|st: just ordered two days ago, waiting for the phone to be here | 09:00 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 09:00 |
| Coolgeek | sorry for asking such noob questions | 09:00 |
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| chem|st | no problem | 09:01 |
| coderus | Coolgeek: btw, about your question, i'm sure android shoud have at least 10 good applications with sms backup option, and at least 2 of them can produce non-encrypted output, so somebody can create a tool for jolla for importing it | 09:01 |
| chem|st | we will spam you with lmgtf.com and other links^^ | 09:01 |
| chem|st | coderus: he has a csv already | 09:02 |
| Coolgeek | coderus: I managed to do that. just wandering if someone made one that export to a format jolla compatible | 09:02 |
| Coolgeek | wondering* | 09:02 |
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| Coolgeek | it would save me some headache :p | 09:03 |
| coderus | jolla have own sms export/import? | 09:03 |
| * coderus never using backups on phone | 09:03 | |
| Coolgeek | found a script on tjc | 09:03 |
| * coderus only have some random sms, nothing to backup | 09:03 | |
| chem|st | Coolgeek: merlin_1991 wrote the import scripts for N9, maybe he is willing to assist you | 09:03 |
| Coolgeek | chem|st: he write the format of the csv needed for his app to import SMS into jolla | 09:04 |
| chem|st | https://github.com/merlin1991/Harmattan-SMS-Boat | 09:04 |
| Coolgeek | I have to transform mine into his to work with that :) | 09:04 |
| chem|st | ah you got it already | 09:04 |
| Coolgeek | I searched a bit before asking :p | 09:04 |
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| Coolgeek | but, as I am new here, maybe I searched in the wrong place | 09:05 |
| chem|st | yeah just transform your csv to his format and you should be good to go | 09:05 |
| Coolgeek | yup, will do that | 09:05 |
| coderus | well, if you have csv with a ndroid sms history, it will be easy to conver it to jolla importer format | 09:05 |
| chem|st | Coolgeek: use google to search site:talk.maemo.org and together, you should find most of the stuff | 09:06 |
| Coolgeek | I used an app from the play store to do it | 09:06 |
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| chem|st | both sites have very bad search engines but are properly indexed at google | 09:06 |
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| coderus | i believe simple python script with 10-20 lines can handle that | 09:06 |
| chem|st | coderus: you mean thevault patterns? | 09:07 |
| Coolgeek | I will do it in shell, as I don't know python | 09:07 |
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| coderus | chem|st: i mean converting from android app csv format to jolla importer csv format | 09:07 |
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| chem|st | coderus: that is just swapping csv columns... | 09:08 |
| chem|st | and remove overhead I guess | 09:08 |
| Coolgeek | and deleting some, rework separator, and transform date format | 09:08 |
| coderus | yes, and probably reconverting timestamp | 09:09 |
| coderus | should be pretty easy, i said | 09:09 |
| Coolgeek | yup | 09:09 |
| Coolgeek | nothing to be afraid of | 09:09 |
| coderus | and dont forget to write a guide and final script to tjc and tmo after finishing ;) | 09:09 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/16/8976561/marshall-london-smartphone-images | 09:10 |
| chem|st | coderus: +1 :) | 09:10 |
| Coolgeek | I saw the same question to tjc with no answer, maybe I will take my shovel to bring it back with my answer | 09:10 |
| coderus | chem|st: wow, marshall smartphone o_O | 09:11 |
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| chem|st | low spec phone though, but as said, Jolla still needs to find its niche besides geeks | 09:13 |
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| chem|st | guess primary concern of that phone hardware is recording and playing music | 09:14 |
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| coderus | yeah i know what marshall is :D | 09:14 |
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| chem|st | as all people doing photography and music tend to use apple, it might be a good idea to attack that with open source | 09:15 |
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| pp | I'd guess small niches could be found in phones that are otherwise mid-range but do one thing extra really really well | 09:15 |
| chem|st | pp: my thoughts... | 09:15 |
| pp | camera, sound (808 is still unbeatable I believe?) | 09:16 |
| dunp | gimp and piviti to sailfish? | 09:16 |
| chem|st | Nokia was way ahead of everyone else in mobile camera applications | 09:16 |
| chem|st | dunp: with the tablet, darktable would be a good idea | 09:17 |
| r0kk3rz | dont underestimate the power of the geek niche | 09:17 |
| r0kk3rz | they just need to get it into the hands of more geeks | 09:18 |
| dunp | blender :D and farm renderin support :) | 09:18 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: without keyboard? | 09:18 |
| r0kk3rz | even without keyboard | 09:18 |
| r0kk3rz | keyboard fetish is just a n9 geek thing, not an every geek thing | 09:19 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: I collaborate with people as geek as it gets, none of them are even interested in buying a jolla, some stick to n900 | 09:19 |
| r0kk3rz | where as my friends in australia seemed to like the jolla, except they cant buy one | 09:20 |
| chem|st | (that does not include my maemo.org base) | 09:20 |
| dunp | and https://lmms.io/ | 09:20 |
| r0kk3rz | and im sure theres a subset of people in the US that would buy one also | 09:20 |
| Coolgeek | btw, why jolla can't ship around the world ? | 09:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | even here in the UK, one of my work colleagues likes the idea of sailfish but he cant buy one from a carrier | 09:21 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: my unix-working group at university did n900 and n9 alot, no jolla but me | 09:21 |
| dunp | i liked n900 alot too | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | chem|st: obviously keyboard fetishists | 09:22 |
| dunp | http://neo900.org/ :) | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | which is fine, be interesting to see what the fairphones usb expansion port is like | 09:22 |
| r0kk3rz | then we can have tohkbd for that too | 09:22 |
| chem|st | dunp: that is already outdated | 09:22 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: people paid 600eur for n900, with no keyboard they'd never buy it | 09:23 |
| chem|st | a flip keyboard smartphone would already be a niche | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah but not everyone had the opportunity to buy an n9/00 | 09:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | like the aforementioned australian and us market | 09:24 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: ehrm n9 have never been officially sold in germany, but I know a lot of peops having one | 09:25 |
| chem|st | if you want something you find a way | 09:25 |
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| chem|st | I know of people travelling 500km to pick a white n9 64gb up from a maildrop company | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | thats still europe though | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | 500km is nothing compared to a flight from aus... | 09:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | anyway, theres a big world out there :P | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think i have ever actually seen an n9/00 in the wild, ever... | 09:29 |
| PeperJohnny | n900 was the best smartphone i ever had :< | 09:31 |
| Lieke | n900 was the only smartphone i had before the jolla | 09:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | some might say the n900 was the only smartphone | 09:34 |
| dunp | n900 is best mobile computer real os | 09:34 |
| dunp | only multiuser feature wold be added to it | 09:35 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont understand why you would want multiuser? | 09:36 |
| r0kk3rz | phone is about as personal as it gets these days | 09:36 |
| dunp | if you kive it to kids.. | 09:36 |
| r0kk3rz | almost like the logical conclusion of the 'personal computer' | 09:36 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i suppose theres the kid factor | 09:36 |
| dunp | or some will suft at web or own mail account to private and work | 09:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but dont people buy them their own by the time their 5 these days anyway? | 09:37 |
| dunp | use voip for and difrent apps to disrent user.. | 09:37 |
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| chem|st | Lieke: +1, all others are feature phones with huge touchscreens | 09:44 |
| chem|st | dunp: kids do not get to my computers | 09:45 |
| Sidde | i don't understand why phones and tablets don't have a good multi user support | 09:47 |
| Sidde | so many people in the industry has to live with or close to kids | 09:47 |
| Sidde | i don't have kids but lots of friends do. They have their games on my tablets and phones. But it would be a lot better to have a game user with settings according to their needs | 09:48 |
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| Sidde | stupid silicon valley developers that have no clue what real people do... | 09:48 |
| dunp | i have at my computer lot user to my self :D to make different thinks | 09:48 |
| PeperJohnny | reminds me of the apple stocks app that isn't deletable, because stocks are of utmost importance for apple devs it seems | 09:50 |
| Sidde | like the tutorial app in sailfish? | 09:51 |
| Sidde | ;) | 09:51 |
| PeperJohnny | Well i think the tutorial app is at least used once ;) | 09:51 |
| Sidde | haha | 09:51 |
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| r0kk3rz | tutorial app can be deleted | 10:22 |
| r0kk3rz | it just comes back with every update | 10:22 |
| chem|st | just like simkit | 10:25 |
| chem|st | and actually you can uninstall everything... but I doubt it is wise to do so | 10:26 |
| Lieke | the tutorial app doesn't bother me as much since we have folder support | 10:26 |
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| Sidde | r0kk3rz: wasn't there a bug with uninstalling the tutorial app too | 10:35 |
| Sidde | broke the system if you did | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | not to my knowledge, but an additional icon doesnt really bother me | 10:37 |
| Sidde | i'm pretty sure it was, maybe a year ago or more | 10:39 |
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| ced117 | and that spam, again and again... | 10:49 |
| chem|st | ced117: they are all hands on deck afaik | 10:50 |
| ced117 | i just saw the team did a great job cleaning that spam :-o | 10:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | surely they can close signups, ban users, clear spam topics | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | jobs done | 11:02 |
| r0kk3rz | unless askbot doesnt allow you to close signups | 11:03 |
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| adherry | hmm, my jolla is broken | 12:31 |
| Knofte | fix it? | 12:31 |
| adherry | my grandmother says she tried to call me 3 times, but I only got one notification about a missed call | 12:31 |
| adherry | I didnt plan to buy a new phone this year again :( | 12:32 |
| tadzik | I assume you considered a possibility that she is mistaken? | 12:32 |
| adherry | I doubt it | 12:32 |
| adherry | since it now happened twice with her | 12:33 |
| adherry | do you think she will call the wrong contact 5 times? | 12:33 |
| tadzik | I have no idea | 12:33 |
| tadzik | but I learned to never underestimate the human factor :) | 12:33 |
| sharpneli | adherry: I get those too from time to time. I've just learned to accept it. | 12:33 |
| sharpneli | adherry: It's not the only thing wrong with my Jolla | 12:34 |
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| adherry | well, if a phone fails to let you phone then it is at least a major flaw | 12:41 |
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| arvut | hi, why does my sisters jolla not have the mobile network symbol on quicksettings? there is only flightmode, wlan and bluetooth there.. she uses a top-up card from vodaphone | 12:46 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | well has she removed it? | 12:48 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | but you can add there many things by long press | 12:49 |
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| arvut | cheers, I'll give it a try | 12:50 |
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| arvut | worked just fine, she must have removed it by accident | 12:56 |
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| Lipevakala | adherry: are you using latest optin? 1.1.7.24? If so fill a bug. | 12:58 |
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| arvut | how do I update to .7.24? can only get .6.27 | 13:02 |
| Yaniel | have you signed up for early access releases? | 13:03 |
| Yaniel | 1.1.7 is still in early access | 13:03 |
| arvut | ah, the "sign up for.." stuff? | 13:04 |
| arvut | and no, I haven't, would love to tho, I'm using testbranch in gentoo so I'm used to unstable software | 13:06 |
| Yaniel | tick the checkbox on https://account.jolla.com and you should find the update soon | 13:07 |
| arvut | where do I sign up, and what are the requirements? | 13:07 |
| arvut | thanks yaniel | 13:07 |
| Yaniel | requirements are... well, the usual "this may break your cat" etc | 13:08 |
| arvut | =) | 13:09 |
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| adherry | wtf. just had a 39/39 shade of naxx against me | 13:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | android repo hybris-11.0 branch? or hybris2-11.0 branch? | 14:09 |
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| Cy8aer | hey what is just happening to tjc? Korean spam? | 14:31 |
| TMavica | Jolla together got attack again... | 14:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | seems ok atm | 14:43 |
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| Nightmare__ | tbr: spam startet again | 15:21 |
| tbr | Nightmare__: no, it ended 10min ago when I killed the user. It's just that TJC is slower than molasses during finnish winter and doesn't want to delete postings | 15:22 |
| * tbr wonders if tigeli and the others haven't found a way to deal with this yet | 15:23 | |
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| tbr | Nightmare__: they come in random bursts and it's fast to kill the account, but deleting postings seems to take ages | 15:24 |
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| tbr | I even tried to extract the POST command sent to the site to run that manually, but something seems to fail, probably needs an exact referer or token | 15:26 |
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| Nightmare__ | ok | 15:29 |
| Nightmare__ | i don't think they can do much about it if they post with paid monkeys | 15:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah yes, the ol human spam bots | 15:36 |
| r0kk3rz | ban korean ips? | 15:36 |
| IZh | Can we limit number of posts per minute? | 15:36 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think we have much of a korean contingent | 15:36 |
| Teemu | in the earlier days of spam much of it was automated but recently it has somehow become ludircous or at least profitable business to sell human labour for the purpose of spamming | 15:38 |
| Teemu | i'm not sure who pays for it but those that do it are getting paid | 15:38 |
| r0kk3rz | surely you just have humans doing signups | 15:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | and leave the actual spam to the bots | 15:39 |
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| IZh | JavaScript is a good way to fight agains bots. Most of them can't execute it. There could be a hidden field in the form, computed by js code. | 15:41 |
| IZh | Any submits without this value can be left in moderatora backlog. | 15:42 |
| IZh | Today even phone browsers can execute js. But most of bots can't | 15:42 |
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| Teemu | forms could be forgot alltogether in favour of textfield widgets that submit their contents via ajax | 15:44 |
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| tiwake | meh | 15:52 |
| tiwake | just IRC | 15:52 |
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| tigeli | tbr: there's no really good way to handle the issue, but we are looking into adding some recathpa's | 16:23 |
| tbr | tigeli: so they are now on random IPs? | 16:23 |
| tigeli | r0kk3rz: it's not just korean ip's as it's botnet which is being used | 16:23 |
| tigeli | tbr: yep | 16:23 |
| tbr | roger | 16:23 |
| r0kk3rz | tigeli: :/ | 16:24 |
| tigeli | tbr: I could still block few of the subnets | 16:24 |
| r0kk3rz | that makes things harder | 16:24 |
| tbr | captchas won't really help in my experience :/ | 16:24 |
| * tbr runs a well exposed bug tracker at trac.xiph.org | 16:24 | |
| r0kk3rz | instaban users that post korean unicode characters.... | 16:25 |
| tigeli | tbr: well, they are not perfect but at least they would have to change their code too ;) | 16:25 |
| tbr | what seems to currently sort of keep things at bay is a combination of bayesian spam filter and checking against external anti-forum spam apis | 16:25 |
| tbr | I still see several times per day a human will solve the captcha manually, but then their postings (manual or automatic) get caught in the filters | 16:26 |
| tigeli | we could enable akismet spam detection if the thing goes on | 16:27 |
| tigeli | just wondering how good it is | 16:27 |
| tbr | yes, akismet is one of the APIs that I use | 16:27 |
| tbr | tigeli: quite good I think. with TJC volume and it being commercial you'd need to buy the service though | 16:27 |
| tigeli | yep | 16:28 |
| tigeli | tbr: also.. spammers are using people power in random websites to solve captchas | 16:28 |
| tigeli | "solve this and you get free bananas" | 16:28 |
| tbr | tigeli: yes, that's what I said above :) | 16:28 |
| r0kk3rz | or inserting captchas into normal login forms, and people are just solving them | 16:29 |
| tbr | tigeli: on the above mentioned bug tracker akismet will give me a 81.6% hit with zero false positives. And that's basically _just_ the registration form (with a trap field) | 16:30 |
| tbr | the bayesian filters that self train are at 98.6% | 16:30 |
| r0kk3rz | sounds rather good | 16:31 |
| tbr | well the bots are also rather stupid | 16:31 |
| r0kk3rz | although im sure tigeli would rather be working on other things.... | 16:31 |
| tbr | there's a text field that doesn't serve any good purpose on the registration form. bots will fill it | 16:31 |
| tbr | humans will ignore it or fill something that doesn't get classified as spam | 16:32 |
| tbr | in case of tjc, I think what could work would be to use either a bayesian filter or akismet to flag posts and hide them for moderation | 16:33 |
| tbr | would need an efficient frontend for moderating those though | 16:33 |
| tbr | another API is StopForumSpam, but they have a lower hit rate in my case and some false positives | 16:35 |
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| TemeV | So, you're saying that with Jolla even spam is #peoplePowered? | 16:56 |
| TemeV | Would be nice to know that who has intrest for the spamming | 16:57 |
| Yaniel | I was going to say that :D | 16:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | presumably those websites in the topics are the beneficiaries | 17:22 |
| r0kk3rz | increased mentions to boost google rankings or something | 17:22 |
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| Lipevakala | My phone gets hot (+40c/regular use) and batterylife is not that good (1.1.7.24). Wery smooth but can not recommend at this point. | 17:27 |
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| Aciid | shipping in may | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | didnt you get your already Aciid? | 20:00 |
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