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| tiwake | no reply yet from jolla | 02:13 |
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| tiwake | though I wouldent expect there to be one for a little while yet | 02:13 |
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| Hartzi | tiwake: reply to what? | 05:34 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:12 |
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| birdzhang | ;) | 08:39 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | frontpage of tjc looks "nice" | 13:17 |
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| inz | Somehow and old Monty Python chant started ringing in my head: "Spam, spam, spam, spam, lovely spammmm..." | 13:18 |
| inz | -d | 13:18 |
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| Acce | so much interest from Korea, is this the change to beat Samsung??? | 13:26 |
| ggabriel | who is interested in korea, and in particular samsung? :P | 13:34 |
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| Acce | look at tjc :) | 13:43 |
| Hartzi | so someone found a bug from the spamfilter? :P | 13:45 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | now it is all white | 13:55 |
| electrolux | yes, we have to have a short maintenance break, sorry for the inconvenience… | 13:56 |
| Hartzi | electrolux: hopefully you'll fix the hole ;) | 13:57 |
| electrolux | :D | 13:57 |
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| TMavica | maybe he is asking question we dont know | 14:44 |
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| tiwake | Hartzi: reply for requesting a 3D model of the plastic cover/housing for the tablet... cause I want to make my own out of aluminum. If I have the 3D model, it would make designing the aluminum one easier | 15:06 |
| tiwake | also, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Jolla-India-Ambitions | 15:06 |
| tiwake | I might have to get one of those phones | 15:07 |
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| ggabriel | aluminium? won't that work as a shield for the antennas? or do i have my chemistry wrong? | 15:11 |
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| tiwake | ggabriel: for the tablet? I guess it would for wifi... though cant you just solder the antenna to the casing in that case? :3 | 15:13 |
| Teemu | no not really, you have to design the case/antenna as a whole | 15:13 |
| Teemu | otherwise you get the iphone experience that you need to grap the case just like so or else you just killed the antenna | 15:14 |
| tiwake | ..? | 15:14 |
| Teemu | when the iphone got metallic cover they had issues with it, essentially apple had to deliver very specific instructions to customers on how exactly to hold the phone | 15:15 |
| Teemu | so, ymmv but at least you have to be pretty careful and considerate about rf | 15:16 |
| tiwake | ymmv? | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | your mileage may vay | 15:16 |
| Yaniel | vary* | 15:16 |
| tiwake | yeah... it isnt something I thought about, nor will I until I actually start doing it | 15:17 |
| Teemu | at microwave frequencies your mechanical components start to become relevantly sized to effect | 15:17 |
| tiwake | cause it really depends on the internals of the tablet its self | 15:17 |
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| ggabriel | tiwake: oh, ok, we don't know much about the tablet yet :) thought you wanted a toh aluminium :P | 15:18 |
| Teemu | part of the filter passives (caps and inductors) are just traces on pcb | 15:18 |
| Teemu | your fingers are roughly relevant size for 5GHz | 15:18 |
| Teemu | it all becomes suddenly very very muzzy and esoteric | 15:19 |
| tiwake | you mean if the tablet is grounded to the housing? or if using the housing as an antenna? | 15:19 |
| Teemu | the housing as such is way too large and wrong shaped for antenna | 15:20 |
| Teemu | parts of it are relevant to be parts of the antenna | 15:20 |
| Teemu | either as the antenna active element or as resonator elements | 15:20 |
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| Teemu | (think yagi antennas but more complex in 3d rf space) | 15:20 |
| tiwake | yeah, it would be pretty good at picking up a larger range of frequencies XD | 15:20 |
| tiwake | which wouldent be desirable | 15:21 |
| Teemu | a non-shortened antenna for 3G/4G/wi-fi would be from half a finger to a finger in size | 15:21 |
| Teemu | so, the casing can and should be taken into consideration as part of the antenna | 15:21 |
| Teemu | nvm the material, it will affect it somehow | 15:22 |
| Teemu | plastics less, metals a lot | 15:22 |
| Teemu | fingers quite a lot | 15:22 |
| Teemu | head a lot | 15:22 |
| tiwake | don't judge my foil hat | 15:22 |
| Teemu | also: if you hold the metal case, it becomes semi-grounded therefore candidate for being faraday cage | 15:23 |
| Teemu | just an ungrounded metal case is more transparent to rf | 15:23 |
| tiwake | yeah, I'd consider that a side benefit | 15:24 |
| Teemu | anyway of you google "wave guide filter" in images you'll see that just mechanical shapes in metal are actually very good for processing rf | 15:26 |
| tiwake | s/of/if/ | 15:27 |
| Teemu | you can make directional filters that pass the rf in other direction and form a band-pass filter in another | 15:27 |
| Teemu | yes | 15:27 |
| Teemu | indeed if not of | 15:27 |
| Teemu | oh, and cool thing is you can make passive band splitters that act much like optical wavelength separators | 15:28 |
| tiwake | I might try splash anodizing | 15:31 |
| tiwake | that would be pretty cool | 15:31 |
| Teemu | anodizing is also galvanic insulator as long as the surface stays intact | 15:33 |
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| Yaniel | I find it sad how the pdf viewer takes ages to restore its view after being put in the background | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | whereas the web browser seems to keep the entire page live all the time | 15:47 |
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| TomJ | guess my TOHKBD is one of last lol | 18:27 |
| TomJ | azerty last batch? :p | 18:27 |
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| Lieke | hopefully they'll get started on the webshop orders soon | 18:42 |
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| flux | yaniel, jolla doesn't have that much memory to waste ;) | 19:13 |
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