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| Stskeeps | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/55_SAILFISH_INDIA_PRESS_RELEASE_JULY2015_FINAL.PDF - Jolla announces first Sailfish OS licensing partner Intex | 03:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Technologies, one of India’s biggest smartphone vendors | 03:42 |
| Stskeeps | https://blog.jolla.com/next-pipeline-sailfish-os-2-0/ | 03:42 |
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| Lieke | awesome | 03:48 |
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| Stskeeps | morning TMavica | 03:57 |
| birdzhang | awesome | 03:58 |
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| TMavica | hi | 04:09 |
| TMavica | why u so early? | 04:10 |
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| Stskeeps | TMavica: [05:42] <Stskeeps> https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/55_SAILFISH_INDIA_PRESS_RELEASE_JULY2015_FINAL.PDF - Jolla announces first Sailfish OS licensing partner Intex | 04:10 |
| Stskeeps | [05:42] <Stskeeps> Technologies, one of India’s biggest smartphone vendors | 04:10 |
| Stskeeps | [05:42] <Stskeeps> https://blog.jolla.com/next-pipeline-sailfish-os-2-0/ | 04:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's why ;) | 04:10 |
| TMavica | lol. should me midnight for u | 04:10 |
| TMavica | any live streaming? | 04:10 |
| Stskeeps | don't think so | 04:10 |
| Stskeeps | it's in shanghai | 04:10 |
| TMavica | let me findfind | 04:12 |
| cybette | there's probably some streaming from the MWC event, but not from our press event currently going on | 04:15 |
| cybette | afaik | 04:15 |
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| TMavica | cybette: so early. lol | 04:17 |
| TMavica | should be 6 am? | 04:18 |
| cybette | TMavica: 7:18 right now. had maybe 2 hours of sleep :) | 04:18 |
| TMavica | IntexAquaFish is the world's first smartphone powered by sailfish 2.0 | 04:21 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: hrm? | 04:22 |
| TMavica | from tweet only.. | 04:22 |
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| TMavica | still waiting the spec and photo | 04:27 |
| zutto | werent the specs of that phone quite identical to jolla's specs | 04:27 |
| Stskeeps | press release talks about snapdragon 200/400/600 series | 04:28 |
| Stskeeps | er, no, 200/600/800 | 04:28 |
| Stskeeps | my bad | 04:28 |
| Stskeeps | so can be all sorts of specs :) | 04:28 |
| zutto | article says 410 | 04:28 |
| Stskeeps | bit of cognitive dissonance there then :) | 04:29 |
| TMavica | can choose which i want? | 04:29 |
| zutto | but why only 1gb of ram | 04:30 |
| zutto | :( | 04:30 |
| TMavica | intexAquaFish look same as Jolla...I cant found the different.. | 04:32 |
| zutto | the aquafish has: less internal storage, slightly better screen (720p 0.2" larger), slighly better battery.. and thats about it what one can tell so far ;/' | 04:34 |
| zutto | if it ever comes to europe, the price will be more than jolla's price too :| | 04:34 |
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| cybette | the demos at MWCS are done on reference devices, not necessarily indicative of the products Intex will bring to market | 04:38 |
| narchie | so | 04:39 |
| narchie | when is may | 04:39 |
| Stskeeps | zutto: no specs have been announced | 04:39 |
| zutto | all the articles about the phone list those specs tho :| | 04:39 |
| locusf | ah, so theres more to come? | 04:40 |
| Stskeeps | sure, which at this point is speculation, since there's no official sources :) | 04:40 |
| cybette | reference specs :) as in, for your reference, Sailfish OS 2.0 runs nice and smooth with such-and-such specs | 04:40 |
| Stskeeps | https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/55_SAILFISH_INDIA_PRESS_RELEASE_JULY2015_FINAL.PDF | 04:41 |
| cybette | "Jolla and Intex Technologies are showcasing a reference device platform for Sailfish OS | 04:41 |
| cybette | 2.0 in MWC Shanghai July 15-17" | 04:41 |
| TMavica | Seem it dont have so much information | 04:41 |
| TMavica | until now | 04:42 |
| zutto | hmh | 04:42 |
| zutto | seems a bit silly if the people presenting it just give out random specs for the device | 04:42 |
| locusf | hmm, we already knew this from yesterday :) | 04:43 |
| locusf | more bigger news coming? | 04:43 |
| Stskeeps | zutto: i could write a book about the funny things happening at trade shows | 04:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:44 |
| zutto | you should | 04:44 |
| cybette | Stskeeps: i can add some interesting things like eviction warning note ;) | 04:45 |
| Stskeeps | cybette: so sad we didn't get one this year | 04:45 |
| cybette | yeah | 04:45 |
| iekku | morning | 04:46 |
| TMavica | It seem only for Asia | 04:47 |
| Stskeeps | isn't HK in Asia? | 04:48 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 04:48 |
| TMavica | -.- | 04:48 |
| TMavica | i know the spec is 8 core, 4 GB ram 1080p display, 1200 Mega Pixel camera etc | 04:49 |
| Stskeeps | remember the built-in lasers and selfie stick using gravity fields | 04:50 |
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| TMavica | LOL | 05:15 |
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| chriadam | gravity field selfie stick.... do want! | 05:26 |
| chriadam | like that "lily" camera drone | 05:26 |
| chriadam | but with more scifi hover | 05:26 |
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| * Stskeeps patents | 05:34 | |
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| TMavica | I hate that suxk thing | 05:52 |
| TMavica | Stskeeps: when u come hk? | 05:58 |
| Stskeeps | TMavica: maybe sometime after my vacation | 05:58 |
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| TMavica | Good | 05:59 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: could I get a 3D model of the plastic housing of the tablet? | 06:00 |
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| Stskeeps | tiwake: probably not a question for me but for developer care .. | 06:00 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: depending on how its designed, I want to make an aluminum cover for it | 06:01 |
| tiwake | well, not really cover... casing or w/e | 06:01 |
| tiwake | to replace whatever the plastic one is | 06:02 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: what is developer care? | 06:02 |
| Stskeeps | https://jolla.com/contact/ | 06:03 |
| TMavica | Same as nokia care. Lol | 06:03 |
| tiwake | Stskeeps: think they would give it to me? | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | well you wouldn't know until you ask | 06:06 |
| tiwake | heh | 06:07 |
| tiwake | most companies would say "screw off" | 06:07 |
| SfietKonstantinW | you can try | 06:08 |
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| pp | egad: https://plus.google.com/109573570236608583880/posts/1tbeXkLSpT5 | 06:25 |
| pp | (kustom apparently being some android ui mod thing) | 06:26 |
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| pp | pah, not compatible with jolla :( that would have been sort-of-fun to try on a rainy day | 06:28 |
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| narchie | someone please help, worried | 06:39 |
| narchie | how can i be 100% sure the jolla tablet VAT payment is #PeoplePowered too? | 06:40 |
| Aciid | you can direct your VAT payments straight to greece, the finnish economy doesnt see that money anyway | 06:41 |
| locusf | hahaha | 06:42 |
| zutto | yes, instead the finnish govt will match your payment | 06:42 |
| zutto | we will take same amount of loan to give to greece as you pay in vat | 06:42 |
| zutto | ! | 06:42 |
| locusf | well IMF pulled out like a real man | 06:42 |
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| pp | they're collecting VAT now? /me checks his spam folder | 06:45 |
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| Aciid | yeah if you didnt get the upgrades atleast pay the vat | 06:53 |
| pp | I did the upgrade and got the lastucase, must complicate things :-) | 06:54 |
| Aciid | afaik they should email you if they are missing on the taxes | 06:55 |
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| Aciid | i have no idea how they even keep track, the suggested way to pay the vat was by "additional gift" | 06:56 |
| Lieke | that was shipping | 06:56 |
| Aciid | "Once we get close to the delivery date, we will ask you to confirm your shipping address and we will instruct you on VAT payments if you live in Europe." oh hokey | 06:57 |
| Aciid | well wait then | 06:58 |
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| Nicd- | vat is fun | 07:00 |
| Nicd- | especially when you get to reverse vat and stuff | 07:00 |
| narchie | but is it #PeoplePowered | 07:01 |
| Tegu | yes, everyone pays vat! | 07:01 |
| Aciid | so the ministry of fortune is? watman? | 07:02 |
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| taaem | No news for European customers :( | 07:13 |
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| Morpog_PC | So where is the new device(s) info? Thats what we are interested into :D | 07:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | enough rumours already | 07:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | now I get an article saying it is < 10 000 RS | 07:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yesterday was 12000 Rs | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantinW: url? | 07:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/mobile-tabs/intex-partners-with-jolla-to-launch-sailfish-os-2-0-smartphone-by-november/?SocialMedia | 07:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nourl for 12000 | 07:37 |
| Morpog_PC | Isn't that a Jolla? | 07:39 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Morpog_PC: this is a demo purpose only device :P | 07:39 |
| Morpog_PC | AKA a Jolla phone :D | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | SfietKonstantinW: heh, a 150 usd sailfish phone, wouldn't that be something | 07:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | nope | 07:40 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it is slightly thicker | 07:40 |
| Morpog_PC | could be a bumper | 07:40 |
| * Stskeeps would desire a 20000mAh sailfish phone | 07:40 | |
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| * zutto watches the huge battery blow up in Stskeeps pocket | 07:40 | |
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| tadzik | exciting times | 07:58 |
| tadzik | I wouldn't mind a thicker phone, especially if it was also smaller :) | 07:58 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | tadzik: 4.7 so not smaller | 08:00 |
| taaem | A phone with the same design as tge current jolla but with updated specs would be awesome | 08:00 |
| tadzik | SfietKonstantinW: yeah | 08:00 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | taaem: bigger screen, but no bigger phone yeah | 08:00 |
| pp | n950 formfactor <3 | 08:01 |
| tadzik | time to start a company that'll produce one :P | 08:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | -1 N950 please | 08:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it was good but not the best ever | 08:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it was weird to use. A bit lost between a N900 and the N9 | 08:01 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Harmattan was rather bad in landscape | 08:02 |
| tiwake | just a slightly more modern phone with sailfishOS | 08:02 |
| tiwake | dont care formfactor :P | 08:02 |
| * SfietKonstantinW thinks about the Nexis 5 | 08:02 | |
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| urs_ | I only just *started* using the jolla phone properly, now that it has got a tohkbd and is no longer a silly brick. | 08:04 |
| urs_ | Why would I switch away now? | 08:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yep | 08:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I think that mine will be kept at least one more yar | 08:05 |
| taaem | Don't have a Jolla so I wait 'til the next sailfish phone with nice design/specs will come :( | 08:05 |
| tiwake | pretty much | 08:06 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | WTF is the Sailfish Store ? | 08:10 |
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| adherry | greetings, #notnokia | 08:12 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | hello adherry | 08:14 |
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| adherry | my ui server crashed :( | 08:15 |
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| phlixi | lets say i wanted to read a jolla press release on my jolla phone... something like thi: https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/55_SAILFISH_INDIA_PRESS_RELEASE_JULY2015_FINAL.PDF | 08:48 |
| phlixi | how would i do that? | 08:48 |
| Teemu | you need to install the documents app, it has a pdf reader | 08:49 |
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| phlixi | well, i have | 08:50 |
| ggabriel_ | funny thing is that if you click on the link in twitter, it takes you to the browser, silently downloads the pdf but shows you the previous page you were looking at | 08:51 |
| ggabriel_ | so go to settings->transfers and the pdf will be there :D | 08:51 |
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| phlixi | ok, then i probably have already downloaded it | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: that's a possibility, yes | 08:51 |
| phlixi | however i expect it to be tiny to read | 08:51 |
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| ggabriel | landscape mode helps | 08:51 |
| ggabriel | worst case, zoom in :P | 08:51 |
| phlixi | just a bit weird that you can not convieniently read the jolla press release on the jolla phone | 08:52 |
| Scelt | I also noticed yesterday that if you open an mp4 video it shows the video in browser but still the gallery app is also opened | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: well, that's a matter of opinion, i read it conveniently on the jolla phone while having breakfast | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | android was still starting up :P | 08:52 |
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| phlixi | yeah, but you have to admit, its not optimal to read such pdf on the jolla (and i do not say its better on android, i do not care about android...)+ | 08:56 |
| phlixi | i just think it shold be available as regulare html as well | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | oh, you mean because it's an a4 | 08:56 |
| ggabriel | ideally you want the pdf to reflow | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | but that never happens, mostly because the pdf's are not published that way | 08:57 |
| phlixi | not sure about reflow :D | 08:57 |
| ggabriel | well, you could zoom in and the text adjusts | 08:57 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: and after starting it takes 15minutes to apply updates before you can use it without stottery... | 09:02 |
| TMavica | How come when listening music, using camera, it is very slow...it never improve | 09:03 |
| chem|st | same every time I touch my tablet | 09:03 |
| chem|st | TMavica: does music playback slow or stotter or trigger response? | 09:04 |
| TMavica | Both lag. Camera mostly | 09:04 |
| TMavica | Camera response is slow and lag | 09:04 |
| TMavica | And music player lag (stop a few sec then replay) | 09:05 |
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| ggabriel | chem|st: indeed :) | 09:06 |
| TMavica | It never improve in every update | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | TMavica: may be the camera... it happens to me sometimes | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | but not all the time | 09:06 |
| ggabriel | not that i listen to music while taking pictures | 09:06 |
| TMavica | Yes. Mostly happen when listening songs | 09:06 |
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| TMavica | Too many apps opened, camera also slow | 09:07 |
| ggabriel | well, close a few programs :P | 09:07 |
| TMavica | By the way, leave it, next update is 2.0, let see | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGljemfwUE | 09:08 |
| ggabriel | :P | 09:08 |
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| Mikaela | is there some Sailfish app that could tell me my coordinates? | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | Mikaela: a couple | 09:43 |
| ggabriel | you can use modrana | 09:44 |
| Mikaela | which is the best or that you like the most? | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | and i think there's a gps reader in the store | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | oh, i don't know... i use that very rarely so i just use modrana | 09:44 |
| ggabriel | which comes with offline maps since you're there :P | 09:44 |
| Mikaela | I'll try GPSINFO | 09:45 |
| Mikaela | Flattr button has appeared | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | admittedly, that should be lighter | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | yeah, flattr has been around for ages (weeks ;) ) | 09:45 |
| Mikaela | today is the first time I actually saw it anywhere | 09:46 |
| Mikaela | ok, now I can write error report to carrier with 4 metres accuracy :) | 09:48 |
| ggabriel | hahahaha | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | like Jolla's GPS ever gets 4m accuracy :P | 09:52 |
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| ggabriel | any phone gps is bad in general | 09:55 |
| ggabriel | or, well, not that accurate -or- as accurate as civil gps ought to be | 09:55 |
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| the_mgt | in cities, any gps is shyte | 10:03 |
| chem|st | the_mgt: that is why you combine all sources and you are back to meters precission, sometimes eve in buildings | 10:04 |
| the_mgt | most smartphones tablets might be able to show you accurate position because they kind of expect you to be on a street. but you can't for example use it safely to navigate a blind person through a city | 10:04 |
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| tadzik | hmm, the phone does feel a bit snappier with the new update | 10:07 |
| tadzik | opera's no longer unusably slow | 10:07 |
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| * chem|st just threw up in his mouth | 10:08 | |
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| attah | chem|st: ? | 10:11 |
| chem|st | attah: someone said opera | 10:11 |
| attah | haha | 10:12 |
| tadzik | oh my god please let it stop, nooo, opera, noooooo | 10:12 |
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| attah | havn't really used it.. had it on the N9 a while i think.. wasn't horrible | 10:12 |
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| tadzik | still the only mobile browser I've seen with text reflow | 10:13 |
| chem|st | I used to have opera on all my systems until I felt abused | 10:13 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | opera is dead | 10:25 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ask vivaldi | 10:25 |
| zutto | opera is quite nice these days | 10:25 |
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| zutto | its like polished version of google chrome | 10:25 |
| Yaniel | with all the spying plugins? | 10:26 |
| zutto | the default opera garbage is disabled by default afaik | 10:27 |
| zutto | and after that its just interface for webkit | 10:27 |
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| nh1402 | "hardware platforms from Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 200/600/800 configurations" does that specifically mean 200, 600 and 800, or the series? the upcoming Snapdragon 820 would be nice in a sailfish phone | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | "upcoming" does not sounds likely for a sailfish device yet | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | nh1402: series | 10:38 |
| nh1402 | nice | 10:39 |
| nh1402 | not that I can even get an intex phone in the UK | 10:40 |
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| chem|st | nh1402: it sounds like a hardware wise reworked Jolla1 but lowering actual specs in terms of pricing | 11:01 |
| ggabriel | yay first battery drain report hours after update! | 11:01 |
| Yaniel | I'm actually surprised by how little the battery has drained today | 11:01 |
| Yaniel | (updated yesterday) | 11:02 |
| urs_ | the important question is: will it support the other half? | 11:02 |
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| ggabriel | urs: probabaly not | 11:03 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: the current working sample does | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | isn't the current working sample a good old jolla? | 11:04 |
| chem|st | it is just a slight redesign of the Jolla1 | 11:04 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: different bezels | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | my guess is that's a cheap version | 11:04 |
| chem|st | other screen front | 11:04 |
| ggabriel | may make sense to support toh there... | 11:05 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: exactly what I just said, a reworked even cheaper version of Jolla1 | 11:05 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: sorry, didn't read too far above | 11:05 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: and battery drain report is just like missing music/pictures | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | i love battery drain reports after updates | 11:06 |
| chem|st | you think you could expect some more from EA users... | 11:06 |
| ggabriel | it isn't like you have to take a test to be an early adopter | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | maybe it should be | 11:07 |
| nh1402 | chem|st: I thought they said that was just a demo device to show Sailfish running on an Intex phone, not necessarily a phone they'll release | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | "here is a description of what happens during and after an update. what does it say?" | 11:07 |
| chem|st | nh1402: and still it looks like a reworked Jolla1, if they just wanted to show SF2.0 UI they could have used a Jolla1, but they didn't they used a redesign in theFirstOne looks | 11:08 |
| ggabriel | well, it's kind of nice that they prove that they can make a prototype quickly | 11:09 |
| chem|st | quickly? any dates since when they work together? | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | i mean #quickly(tm)(c) | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | not necessarily time related | 11:09 |
| nh1402 | exactly, I'm sure thats a prototype and not the final design or specs, and even if it is. It's going to be the first of many phones | 11:09 |
| ggabriel | but the impression is quick, if you know what i mean | 11:09 |
| chem|st | nope I don't | 11:10 |
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| chem|st | quick is in its meaning time related | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | ok, i guess what i mean is that there is an announcement, shortly after there is a prototype shown and care is taken so that intex doesn't show jolla's hw, but their own | 11:10 |
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| ggabriel | you could argue that that's a pr stunt, as i would i | 11:10 |
| ggabriel | argh, as i would* | 11:11 |
| chem|st | lol | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | but still gives the impression of "oh, look how quickly these guys made a prototype" | 11:11 |
| chem|st | it is Asian MWC... what else do you expect? | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | hence my "kind of nice" comment | 11:11 |
| ggabriel | true | 11:11 |
| chem|st | it is actualy, they yet failed to bring a finished design to MWC | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | but can you imagine the amount of cr*p they'd take if they used jolla's hw? | 11:12 |
| ggabriel | i personally don't expect a lot of design or even tech specs | 11:12 |
| chem|st | it looks like it is Jolla's hardware | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | but i'm happy to be surprised | 11:13 |
| chem|st | it looks like this may be a Jolla2 prototype | 11:13 |
| chem|st | the battery is also Jolla branded | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | uhm... | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | interesting | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | i'll sit tight and wait for more news | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | i can now wait for more news+tohkbd+tablet | 11:14 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: you didn't actually watch the hardware video... did you? | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | i did watch a video | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | you mean the one that ends with 2 devices? | 11:14 |
| locusf | which one? | 11:14 |
| ggabriel | (the one that was unpublished essentially) | 11:15 |
| chem|st | the inerts and positions of everything is just Jolla1, the outside got reworked with what it seems new display and different frame | 11:15 |
| ggabriel | maybe i didn't watch that video | 11:15 |
| chem|st | or they just used an Jolla1 prototype from 2 years ago to not use the actual Jolla1 | 11:15 |
| * Stskeeps gets the popcorn | 11:15 | |
| locusf | :D | 11:16 |
| chem|st | it is so fun spreading rumours... | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | i'll put all these theories on tmo | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | wait 1 hour | 11:16 |
| ggabriel | and see what evolved | 11:16 |
| * faenil looks at his jolla1 prototype | 11:16 | |
| Stskeeps | ggabriel: world war 3 | 11:16 |
| Sidde | it's a jolla clone | 11:16 |
| Sidde | some factory in china just copied it | 11:17 |
| Sidde | ;) | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | also, guys, no phone was launched, it demonstrates sailfish 2.0 in a intex context | 11:17 |
| Mikaela | what directory should books be put for the Books app? | 11:17 |
| lainwir3d | I honestly don't care, I come from the future and I already have Jolla 7 with SailfishOS 13.0 | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | something physical is always good for understanding | 11:18 |
| Yaniel | Mikaela: it has a "scan Downloads" entry in the pulley iirc | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | Mikaela: if it's anything like fbreader, you can set up your own directory | 11:18 |
| Mikaela | it does, but I want to put the books directly to correct directory | 11:19 |
| Mikaela | it's not | 11:19 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | isnt it downloads and documents/Books | 11:19 |
| Mikaela | maybe I must | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | doesn't the description in the store say which directory it scans? | 11:19 |
| entil | Stskeeps: sigh, a url from before sounded like it was actually launched | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | i didn't want to download it since i use fbreader | 11:19 |
| Mikaela | I use FBReader, but want to try that too now that I am starting new book | 11:19 |
| ggabriel | entil: did that url start with talk.maemo.org? :P | 11:19 |
| entil | or like "will be availalbe, will be priced" sounds | 11:20 |
| entil | like that but maybe it's different from a launch | 11:20 |
| entil | ggabriel: no, it was an indian site I think | 11:20 |
| entil | anyway, I just hope jolla starts selling like crazy | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | check jollas and then intex press release for details | 11:20 |
| ggabriel | entil: ok, i was kinda joking... i'd go to official sources tbh | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | like with everything, there's speculation | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | remember that the iphone's screen was going to be a solar panel? | 11:21 |
| entil | no :( | 11:21 |
| ggabriel | well, that was one of the best ones i've ever heard :P | 11:22 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | Mikaela: documents/Books folder works for me | 11:22 |
| tbr | ggabriel: and then you turn up the backlight and it will power itself, indefinitely! | 11:22 |
| entil | do the 4chan stunts count? like recharging by putting your iphone in the microwave? because most of all speculation sounds as credible | 11:22 |
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| Mikaela | ok | 11:23 |
| ggabriel | tbr: it didn't go that far ;) | 11:23 |
| Mikaela | it doesn't work for me or it doesn't like symlinks | 11:24 |
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| Yaniel | symlinks may be a problem | 11:25 |
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| chem|st | Stskeeps: for your skunks, as Jolla did deal with mapbagrag, they work with "changers", maybe worth a shot for an industrial grade solarTOH | 11:26 |
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| Teemu | does a toh sized panel have any relevance in charging? | 11:28 |
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| Mikaela | symlinks aren't a problem, but subdirectories apparently are | 11:29 |
| chem|st | you'd probably get 500mW?! so you need 22h to fully charge, I run dry in usually 2-4 days... | 11:30 |
| Yaniel | not to mention melting your phone | 11:31 |
| chem|st | Teemu: and you can double the size by having a cover TOH, so you have front and back | 11:32 |
| entil | and it would have to be magnetic to be compatible with the tohkbd back panel | 11:33 |
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| clau | I have an issue with 1.1.7: I downloaded the update, everything was fine, then I tried to remove an application from home screen, and it lagged for a while. | 11:35 |
| clau | I restarted the phone, and now I get a black screen when I start it. :( | 11:35 |
| clau | any advice? | 11:35 |
| clau | hmm, just got the Jolla logo after a few minutes, so maybe there's hope. | 11:35 |
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| clau | BUT... does it mean the update was started without me actually manually starting it? | 11:36 |
| lainwir3d | probably not | 11:37 |
| lainwir3d | maybe you ran out of space ? | 11:37 |
| lainwir3d | after downloading the update | 11:37 |
| lainwir3d | so btrfs started acting weird, provocking your bugs | 11:37 |
| clau | I had 9gb or so | 11:37 |
| lainwir3d | 9gb used ? or free ? | 11:37 |
| clau | free | 11:37 |
| lainwir3d | hmm, weird | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | no the update won't start by itself | 11:38 |
| clau | screen is black again | 11:38 |
| lainwir3d | does your phone file system was full at one point ? | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | was it maybe balancing when you power-cycled it? | 11:38 |
| lainwir3d | like in the past months | 11:38 |
| clau | it was never full | 11:38 |
| Yaniel | because that can wreck the fs | 11:38 |
| clau | the pre-update optimization has finished a while ago | 11:39 |
| clau | ok, Jolla logo again... I'm guessing it's reboot loop | 11:39 |
| clau | any other recommendation besides trying the recovery mode? | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | try recovery mode | 11:40 |
| entil | I got stuck in a reboot loop recently, but I think it's my battery | 11:40 |
| entil | still haven't taken it to care | 11:40 |
| clau | Yaniel: can I stop it forcefully now? | 11:40 |
| Yaniel | taking out the battery, cleaning contacts and applying the paper trick might help | 11:41 |
| pp | certified duct tape works too. | 11:41 |
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| Yaniel | I don't think it has restarted balancing | 11:41 |
| entil | I think care would be best, if you can be without your phone for an x amount of time | 11:41 |
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| lainwir3d | try the paper trick, oh and remove the battery for 10minutes or so. Some people reported it helped (don't ask me how) | 11:42 |
| entil | maybe drained the caps of any residual charge? | 11:43 |
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| Yaniel | probably | 11:43 |
| clau | how do I stop the reboot loop? battery out? | 11:44 |
| chem|st | yap | 11:44 |
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| entil | the problem with this is that the brain creates superstitions about anything, who knows without actually seeing logs or something | 11:46 |
| entil | I just waited it out, until it quit looping | 11:46 |
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| clau | what option should I choose in recovery mode? btrfs recovery? | 11:50 |
| clau | in process now... let's see. | 11:50 |
| clau | rebooting already... | 11:51 |
| the_mgt | zutto: the "garbage" you are talking about is tab grouping, a versatile download manager and lots of other nice stuff that is missing in opera. sure, it is fast, but it stinks | 11:51 |
| clau | do you think it's possible that removing an app caused all this stuff? | 11:51 |
| clau | maybe it triggered the update somehow? | 11:51 |
| the_mgt | I hope vivaldi revives some of that stuff and builds a native sailfish version | 11:51 |
| clau | no luck, it looks still messed up. | 11:52 |
| clau | any other suggestions guys? | 11:52 |
| chem|st | sounds like full rootFS to me | 11:53 |
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| chem|st | go to recovery shell mount home subvolume remove stuff, balance | 11:54 |
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| locusf | you can't if its completely full | 11:55 |
| locusf | like to absolute brim | 11:56 |
| clau | I'm in shell | 11:56 |
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| clau | /dev/mmcblk0p28 13.7G 8.6G 4.8G 64% /myhome | 11:58 |
| clau | plenty of space :( | 11:58 |
| locusf | hmm | 11:58 |
| clau | is there any log I can check to see why boot fails? | 11:58 |
| locusf | thats not btrfs free space | 11:59 |
| locusf | btrfs fi show | 11:59 |
| Yaniel | with btrfs, df tells you lies | 11:59 |
| clau | oh, I see | 11:59 |
| clau | ERROR: unable get label Inappropriate ioctl for device Label: 'sailfish' uuid: 0f8a2490-53ed-4ff6-ba34-b81df3430387 Total devices 1 FS bytes used 8.43GiB devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 11.38GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 11:59 |
| Yaniel | not entirely full then | 12:00 |
| clau | indeed, it tells a different story | 12:00 |
| clau | but that should be enough, right? | 12:00 |
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| clau | wait.. I didn't properly get out of recovery mode. Maybe it actually works... one moment. | 12:05 |
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| clau | no luck. any other suggestions, or should I go for factory reset? | 12:10 |
| locusf | hmm | 12:11 |
| clau | in case it helps, these are the steps I took and ended up with this issue: | 12:14 |
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| clau | 1) downloaded update, ran optimization | 12:14 |
| clau | 2) tried to remove android notification app. The uninstalling hung. | 12:14 |
| clau | 3) rebooted phone. | 12:14 |
| clau | That is, after 5-10 minutes. And here I am. | 12:14 |
| Yaniel | had 1) finished? | 12:15 |
| clau | yes | 12:15 |
| clau | I just read the release notes and I figured the android notifications might not be needed anymore, hence I tried to remove it before update. | 12:15 |
| Yaniel | how much data do you lose if you just reset? | 12:15 |
| clau | I have most stuff copied to SD, and I can still access storage so I can make a newer copy of everything | 12:16 |
| clau | I could even try to tar the home dir to sd | 12:16 |
| chem|st | Yaniel: recovery shell still works so backup is still possible | 12:16 |
| clau | what about android apps data? | 12:16 |
| clau | I don't think it's mentioned in the guides | 12:16 |
| chem|st | what guides? | 12:17 |
| Yaniel | chem|st: -> hardly any data lost | 12:17 |
| chem|st | clau: it is /data/media | 12:17 |
| chem|st | clau: you may jsut tar that too | 12:18 |
| clau | chem|st: https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202514138 | 12:18 |
| clau | so, besides /home and /data/media, should I worry about backing up anything else? | 12:18 |
| chem|st | ah that... well I do not care much about guides, I just pull / nightly | 12:18 |
| chem|st | clau: list of installed apps? | 12:19 |
| clau | roger that | 12:19 |
| clau | how about restoring the stuff? I guess just dropping everything back is not the safest way of doing it | 12:19 |
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| chem|st | the safest way is to not overwrite any .folders without thinking twice | 12:22 |
| clau | I guess safest way is to restore the data dirs (pics, docs etc) and maybe android storage | 12:23 |
| clau | then install all apps, and maybe copy the configs back to phone individually | 12:23 |
| clau | and .vault too, and restore jolla stuff from there | 12:23 |
| clau | any comments? :) | 12:23 |
| chem|st | I overwrote $home several times, in order of appearance, rebootloop, rebootloop after upgrade, upgrade not possible | 12:24 |
| chem|st | so not that a good idea | 12:25 |
| chem|st | I use my backup in general as lookup data for what it was before reset | 12:25 |
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| chem|st | alhtough I just copied .config and .local to the device by hand, tracker needed reindexing afterwards... | 12:26 |
| chem|st | guess you will find out what you should not do... | 12:28 |
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| clau | :D | 12:30 |
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| clau | do you know what partition is the /data/media coming from? | 12:39 |
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| chem|st | rootfs | 12:42 |
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| chem|st | only /home is separated subvolume | 12:44 |
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| clau | ok, thanks guys! backing up now and then going for a factory reset. | 12:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | gaana is a native app ? | 12:55 |
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| clau | how can I found out on which device the rootfs is? | 13:10 |
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| clau | never mind, I figured it out. I'm not familiar with btrfs. | 13:19 |
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| adherry | oh, there is a new ubuntu phone around | 14:36 |
| adherry | with high-midclass hardware | 14:37 |
| adherry | and it still lags | 14:37 |
| ggabriel | link? | 14:37 |
| adherry | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/06/24/meizu-launches-the-mx4-ubuntu-edition-in-europe/ | 14:37 |
| adherry | for their origami game they deserve to get beaten | 14:40 |
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| ggabriel | interesting i guess, i wonder how good the hw is | 14:41 |
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| Yaniel | if it lags.... not good enough | 14:42 |
| sharpneli | Horrible GPU | 14:43 |
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| ggabriel | i bet you can make anything lag ;) | 14:45 |
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| clau | Sailfish was laggy too. Now that I had to do a factory reset and hit a very old version of Sailfish, I can appreciate how much better it is in recent versions. | 15:01 |
| chem|st | clau: +1 | 15:07 |
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| chem|st | clau: for the future everything "for you" is on mmcblk0p28, don't touch the other partitions | 15:09 |
| chem|st | there are 4 subvolumes, two live and two factory snapshots | 15:09 |
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| clau | thanks, will keep that in mind | 15:20 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | clau sailfish isn't lag ... btrfs does | 15:24 |
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| ScreamerX | hi, is there an official bugtracker? | 15:25 |
| tadzik | for us mere mortals, nothing more than together.jolla.com | 15:26 |
| tadzik | as far as I know | 15:26 |
| ScreamerX | i think i use the jolla a month now and ive found a few bugs in the user-interface. | 15:27 |
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| ScreamerX | a minor one: while editing a contact: if a person has exactly one phone number, the menu where to add the category to this number shows "none" (i hope "none" is the correct english translation). usually, the selected category is not shown. | 15:29 |
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| ScreamerX | another one: in the messaging app in overview of conversations, when the screen is slightly away from being filled (just not scrollable) a gesture with the finger to open the menu on top without releasing the finger and swiping up to close the menu creates a wired view. | 15:33 |
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| ScreamerX | and sometimes the app cover of the phone app does not display the most recent call. its scrolled down to some events in the past. | 15:34 |
| ScreamerX | i dont know how to reproduce this one | 15:35 |
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| chem|st | ScreamerX: the latter is on together reported | 15:39 |
| chem|st | ScreamerX: the contact thing?! cannot reproduce what you are saying | 15:39 |
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| chem|st | did you search together for those things yet? | 15:40 |
| chem|st | do you know about "together"? together.jolla.com | 15:41 |
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| ScreamerX | just add a contact with a single phone number. store it. edit the phone number of this contact. as category you can select "none". this should not be shown here because when you select "private" and store it. "private" will not be shown when you edit it again. | 15:42 |
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| ScreamerX | chem|st, may you be so kind to provide a link to the reported bug? | 15:44 |
| chem|st | ah, that is only for none, that is fine | 15:44 |
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| chem|st | the cover one? | 15:44 |
| ScreamerX | yes | 15:45 |
| ScreamerX | chem|st, when a person has more than 1 phone number. there is a different behaviour. "none" is not shown, when the selected category is "none". | 15:46 |
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| chem|st | I always see none, for type and lable | 15:48 |
| chem|st | will check that later, I might be doing something different than you | 15:49 |
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| chem|st | are you on 1.1.6? | 15:50 |
| ScreamerX | chem|st, try to edit category of the 2nd phone number. there is no "none" only the 1st phone number shows "none" | 15:50 |
| chem|st | for the report, I might be wrong, maybe someone mentioned it here that the list is scrambled | 15:51 |
| chem|st | but I did hear about it | 15:51 |
| ScreamerX | im on 1.1.6.27 | 15:51 |
| chem|st | type or lable or both? | 15:52 |
| ScreamerX | type | 15:52 |
| chem|st | ah ok got it... | 15:52 |
| ScreamerX | accepted? ;-) | 15:52 |
| chem|st | it is actually both type and lable | 15:53 |
| chem|st | label | 15:53 |
| chem|st | ScreamerX: write a bug report on tjc please | 15:53 |
| chem|st | [bug] People: type and label of phone numbers shows none always | 15:55 |
| chem|st | and describe step by step pls | 15:55 |
| chem|st | or even | 15:55 |
| chem|st | [bug] People: type and label of first phone number shows none always | 15:56 |
| ScreamerX | well, i would have to create an account there ;-) | 15:57 |
| chem|st | ScreamerX: it is your jolla account | 15:57 |
| ScreamerX | hm - do you have one? *g* | 15:58 |
| chem|st | ScreamerX: if you have a phone you have an account... or you never upgrade ;) | 15:58 |
| clau | what's the name of the repo that has mc again? | 15:59 |
| chem|st | clau: was it in mer-tools? | 15:59 |
| ScreamerX | this is just a minor bug. the phone app cover bug is more annoying. i dont know how to reproduce it. | 15:59 |
| chem|st | clau: or openrepos | 16:00 |
| clau | mer-tools, I think | 16:00 |
| chem|st | clau: that you just need to enable credentials should be preset | 16:00 |
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| clau | hmm, I can't find it there :( | 16:03 |
| chem|st | one second | 16:03 |
| clau | actually, I don't have mer-tools in the repo list | 16:03 |
| clau | so I probably have to add it first | 16:03 |
| clau | I just did an ssu er mer-tools, which says nothing about it missing :) | 16:04 |
| chem|st | ssu ar mer-tools iirc | 16:05 |
| clau | that was it | 16:05 |
| clau | from where is the information about a particular repo taken? | 16:05 |
| chem|st | those are the jolla repos, they are predefined | 16:06 |
| chem|st | everything else needs the URLs provided | 16:06 |
| clau | it's not there :(. I did a pkcon refresh too, btw. | 16:08 |
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| clau | less isn't there either, and I was quite sure it was | 16:08 |
| chem|st | but I think it is nieldk's openrepos repo you need to go | 16:08 |
| clau | I'll go for that, indeed | 16:08 |
| clau | hmm, I think the fonts are now smaller, at least in Store | 16:09 |
| clau | have you noticed a change? | 16:09 |
| chem|st | not sure if it is a good idea to leave nieldk's repo active, better disable it after installing what you need, and never ever upgrade in terminal with those repos active, there is no safety switch installed! | 16:10 |
| chem|st | store got a makeover | 16:10 |
| clau | yep, I was always careful with niel's repo, since he has many packages that overlap with standard ones on linux | 16:11 |
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| clau | I'm still afraid about installed deps from warehouse :| | 16:12 |
| clau | and I don't know if deps are removed when I remove an app via warehouse | 16:12 |
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| clau | in any case, this factory reset was long due :) | 16:13 |
| clau | would be nice to have the list of installed apps store server-side too, and be able to reinstall everything you had quickly after a factor rest | 16:15 |
| clau | reset* | 16:15 |
| Sidde | clau: doesn't jolla store have a command line utility? then you could just print which applications you had installed | 16:18 |
| Sidde | then pipe the same list to the installer | 16:18 |
| Sidde | less tracking is more privacy | 16:18 |
| clau | I suppose you can do that, but's it's not very convenient for avg user | 16:19 |
| clau | it can be an option | 16:19 |
| Sidde | the avarage user should get a bit smarter then... | 16:19 |
| Sidde | ;) | 16:19 |
| truls | terminal app appears as soon as you enable developer mode if i recall correctly | 16:19 |
| clau | the list of apps I have installed is the list of my worries when it comes to privacy, really :) | 16:19 |
| clau | *least | 16:19 |
| Sidde | clau: it starts there, i'll bet google did not start being one of the most evil corps that collected everything in the beginning | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | i did a find in ~/.local or something | 16:20 |
| ggabriel | and that's pretty much my list of applications | 16:20 |
| clau | :) | 16:21 |
| clau | good point ggabriel, I have it in backup | 16:21 |
| clau | Warehouse app really needs some improvements :(. Sailfish keeps telling me it's not responding. | 16:22 |
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| clau | hmm, android whatsapp seems to be keeping data in /data/data/com.whatsapp, instead of /data/media... | 16:32 |
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| Tofe | oh, you are on engadget now! | 16:46 |
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| zutto | the_mgt: and all kinds of silly tracking stuff, openly advertised mitm service, etc etc "nice stuff" | 18:00 |
| wysiwtf | does textsecure work on jolla? | 18:01 |
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| Venemo_j | wysiwtf: what's that? | 18:10 |
| wysiwtf | a popular im | 18:11 |
| wysiwtf | like WhatsApp but free and open | 18:12 |
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| urs | wysiwtf: and you ask this... on irc? | 18:13 |
| wysiwtf | so? | 18:14 |
| urs | but if there's an android app, it should work. | 18:14 |
| Venemo_j | if it's open, it should be easy to write a native client | 18:14 |
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| wysiwtf | its for Android, yea | 18:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | libaxolotl is ported | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | i think someone was working on textsecure | 18:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | telegram has a couple of clients now | 18:40 |
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| chem|st | Sidde: google startet with writing algorythms to collect and analyze the internets | 19:25 |
| chem|st | while that does not qualify as evil corp back then, now it does | 19:26 |
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| Milo- | Media app didn't completely the new locations for all of my music. I've had this issue before, but can't remember how did I force it to rebuild its media library. | 19:37 |
| Milo- | in fewer words: how do I rebuild my media cache? | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | Milo-: tracker-control -se | 19:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | will drop the tracker database and rebuild | 19:38 |
| Milo- | thank you sir. | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | you can watch it with just tracker-control | 19:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | may take some time depending on what you've got on your phone | 19:38 |
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| Milo- | okay, now re-launching media app caused it to start rebuilding the library. :) | 19:39 |
| Milo- | oh yeah.. playlist doesn't work because it's just a text file explaining where the files are :P | 19:40 |
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| Milo- | but other than that, all songs at least seem to report the correct length | 19:41 |
| TemeV | can't you do that with the utilities from settings? | 19:42 |
| TemeV | rebuilding media cache I mean | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 19:42 |
| Milo- | hmm, oggs are still 0:00, but they do work when played.. maybe they never worked before | 19:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Milo-: its probably not finished indexing yet | 19:43 |
| Milo- | it's fully possible, that I had no issues with the media cache this time, I just didn't realise I was staring at .ogg songs. | 19:43 |
| Milo- | according to tracker-control, all services are idling | 19:43 |
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| Lipevakala | A cousin, http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/16/mar,shall-london-music-phone/ | 20:52 |
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