#jollamobile log for Monday, 2015-07-06

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arvuthi, any releasedate for the tablet yet?02:47
arvutand good morning btw02:47
arvutif anyone is awake that is02:47
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zhxtmorning,03:09
Yanielmorning indeed03:12
truls#$%/%#"@04:01
arvutbtw, will sailfishOS 2.0 be available for the phone as well later on? or will it be for tablet and next gen phone only?04:18
arvutassuming there will be a next gen jolla ofc ;)04:19
Yanielit will04:21
Yanielthere will only be one codeline for all devices04:21
Yaniel...is what I have heard04:21
arvut:)04:22
Aciidwhen is this new tablet?04:25
narchieshipping may 2015 didn\t you listen04:25
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ppfffuuuu, broken proximity sensors ;_;05:41
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ppcould fixing the screen fix that or am I "screwed" :-)05:42
zuttohow did it break?05:42
zuttoand how is it broken?05:43
ppscreen was from dropping phone too many times05:43
zuttoah, that sucks :|05:43
ppcan't unlock phone by tapping screen (which is apparently related)05:43
ppand csd tool does show sensors as broken05:43
ppthere, mcetool --set-ps-mode=disabled (for now)05:57
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Mikaeladoes this seem understandable <https://together.jolla.com/question/98238/browser-dont-stop-playback-when-switching-tab-and-dont-replace-open-tab-when-link-is-clicked-in-other-app/>?06:30
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dr_gogeta86hi guys09:35
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SfietKonstantinWhey dr_gogeta8609:38
dr_gogeta86hi SfietKonstantinW09:39
dr_gogeta86how do you do09:39
dr_gogeta86nemo/sfos need a ssl keystore many services i'm currently uses are going/ siwtched to ssl logins09:39
dr_gogeta86mail https09:39
dr_gogeta86I know i'm not the common user but in Enterprises are common things09:40
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SfietKonstantinWwhat do you mean by ssl keystore ?09:42
SfietKonstantinWI'm not totally familiar with ssl related stuff09:42
dr_gogeta86something you place all your ssl certificate for client access09:43
dr_gogeta86a simple example09:43
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dr_gogeta86you know ssh exchanged keys ?09:44
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dr_gogeta86give out you public09:45
ggabrielso /etc/ssl doesn't work?09:45
dr_gogeta86no09:45
tbr/etc/ssl is _the_ current thing09:45
ggabrielah09:45
dr_gogeta86hi tbr09:45
tbrthey promised key management for some point in the future09:45
dr_gogeta86ah ok09:45
dr_gogeta86last thing on list09:45
* ggabriel confused09:45
dr_gogeta86:-(09:45
tbrthey need it for things like x.509 WPA authentication09:45
dr_gogeta86tbr was spot on09:45
dr_gogeta86not only09:45
dr_gogeta86even exchange servers09:46
ggabrieli've just asked if /etc/ssl worked and you said no, dr_gogeta86 :P09:46
tbrsure, there are many uses for TLS client AND server cert mgmt09:46
dr_gogeta86http portal09:46
dr_gogeta86http wifi captive portals09:46
tbrI'd also like to see server cert pinning, but well, one can dream.09:46
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dr_gogeta86tbr,  I can't read my mail anymore outside vpn09:47
dr_gogeta86Let's dream09:48
tbrdr_gogeta86: exchange? that's special sauce, it might already support client cert auth, but lack the UI09:49
dr_gogeta86If is possible , I accept this as a solution ....09:50
dr_gogeta86but BIG question is here09:50
tbrdid any of the nokia devices support client cert auth for exchange?09:50
dr_gogeta86I don't know09:50
dr_gogeta86Is even poor on android09:50
TemeVN9 did09:50
tbrthen it would possibly work on the jolla too. same software09:50
dr_gogeta86Sammy got problem and I don't wanna buy / crack 19,99 dollar software09:51
TemeVI tried "something" to get it to work with Jolla without much luck09:51
TemeVThough, I didn't know what I was doing :)09:52
tbrI vaguely remember that it uses config files in the user home, somewhere09:53
tbrin addition to config storage09:53
TemeVSo in theory it would be possible to copy config files from N9?09:55
tbrI _guess_09:55
TemeVThough, I don't really need my work email on my phone that much, so I think I'll wait till Jolla fixes the UI09:56
TemeVCalendar would be nice, but I can live without it also09:57
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dr_gogeta86tnx guys10:00
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SfietKonstantinWdr_gogeta86: I'm currently building a webserver that is expect to *run* on the Jolla10:09
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SfietKonstantinWso I need certificates (especially CA ones) to be present on the Jolla10:09
SfietKonstantinWdo you think that there can be a safe way, like using a keystore, to be able to store them securely ?10:10
tbrSfietKonstantinW: harbour or not?10:11
SfietKonstantinWtbr: harbour maybe10:11
SfietKonstantinWbut not targetting harbour atm10:11
* tbr backs away slowly ;-)10:11
tbrif not then why not /etc/ssl?10:12
SfietKonstantinWI'm thinking about some security issues, like someone taking the CA cert on the phone10:12
SfietKonstantinW(any app can easily do that)10:12
SfietKonstantinWand then, MITM with the "valid but selfsigned" cert10:12
tbrSfietKonstantinW: physical access, total pwnage. full. stop.10:13
dr_gogeta86just ask for a password for SSL private key ;-)10:14
dr_gogeta86old school10:14
tbryes, that's about the only thing10:14
SfietKonstantinWtbr: not physical: install one harmless app from harbour10:16
SfietKonstantinWit reads /etc/ssl or whatever location and send these data to a remote server10:16
tbrfor values of 'harmless' >:)10:16
SfietKonstantinWthis can also happen with any credentials that are currently stored plain text, at known locations10:16
dr_gogeta86SfietKonstantinW, once you start the app10:17
dr_gogeta86ask for a password and you are done ....10:18
SfietKonstantinWdr_gogeta86: indeed10:18
SfietKonstantinWtbr: sadly, you cannot control the harm of a binary app, since there is no "sandbox"10:18
tbrSfietKonstantinW: well, that's the more or less complete lack of security model at the moment10:19
tbrI guess something like selinux will happen at some point10:19
dr_gogeta86selinux is just a first step10:20
dr_gogeta86i think we need to explore the use case of namespaces10:20
dr_gogeta86i've saw a project few days ago to create a new namespace for every App ... but on X1110:21
Nicd-SfietKonstantinW: why do you need the root CA on the phone?10:21
Nicd-if the server runs on the phone10:21
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: hum indeed10:22
Nicd-you just give the phone the certificate (+ intermediates)10:22
SfietKonstantinWyep10:22
SfietKonstantinWtrye10:22
Nicd-the client will have the root CA10:22
dr_gogeta86Nicd-, not for all uses10:23
Nicd-dr_gogeta86: like?10:23
SfietKonstantinWNicd-: the client is a webapp, it is served via the Jolla too :P10:27
SfietKonstantinWI can provide a certificate package10:27
Nicd-the client is the browser10:27
Nicd-it does not matter that the javascript is served from the server10:27
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SfietKonstantinWtrue10:27
SfietKonstantinWbut you need to tell the browser to take this CA in account10:27
tbryou should agree if you are talking about the rootca private or public key ;)10:28
Nicd-SfietKonstantinW: the client will check the certificate against CAs it knows, you don't have to tell it anything10:29
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kimmolihttp://www.slashgear.com/chinese-so-mad-at-galaxy-bloat-theyre-suing-samsung-05391764/10:33
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Yanielthe question is.. where do they get all the popcorn for this show10:47
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kimmolihttps://instagram.com/p/4ysaWpD8L0/10:56
kimmolioo .. just missing the contents10:57
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Hartzinice11:04
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ggabrieli wonder what'll happen if i paste kimmoli's link in tmo :P11:37
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SfietKonstantinWcool :)11:59
jgdxlpotter, hey, I have a question about running the libqofono tests in 0.79. Are you using a script to stop/start ofono?12:00
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chem|stkimmoli: I am still wondering why it isn't one piece but the lid glued to the back...12:11
kimmolichem|st: ? the lastu tablet thing?12:12
chem|styeah12:12
chem|stthe back looks like a design flaw12:12
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kimmolieh12:13
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ggabrielsooo, lastucase was late too then12:14
kimmolihttp://lastucase.com/product/lastucase-for-jolla-tablet-pre-order/12:15
ggabriel"-Easy to install and take off"12:17
ggabrielalso, the fact that it's on sale and is for preorder at the same time sounds dodgy12:17
ggabriel^chemist12:17
ggabrielerm chem|st even12:17
kimmolipre-order price ends 15.7.12:17
ggabrielit's rather pricey too12:18
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Hartzihand made products are expensive12:18
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ggabrieli cna't remember how much i paid for the lastucase12:20
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ggabrieland yes, if it's real leather and real wood and all that, then you expect it to be expensive12:20
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ggabrielesp if it isn't made in china :P12:20
ggabrielright, 49usd for the lastucase12:21
ggabrielit wasn't that bad12:21
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kimmolihmm "automatic wake and sleep"12:22
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ggabrielmagnetic sensor?12:23
HarhaanJohtajai guess proximity sensor12:25
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ggabrieloh yeah12:26
HarhaanJohtajai guess in sailfish 2.0 you go straight to lock screen when you uncover the proximity sensor.12:27
HarhaanJohtajawell hoping something like that12:27
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* Stskeeps idly pulls in a beer keg14:52
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Yanieland it's not even friday15:36
tadzikCONFIRMED FRIDAY IS RELEASE DAY15:36
ggabrielStskeeps: monday? :)15:39
Stskeepsmonday.15:39
Stskeeps:P15:39
ggabrielnice15:39
tiwaketadzik: what?15:39
ggabrieli'll join you in spirit in ~2 hours15:39
Yanielin spirit? with spirits?15:40
ggabrielno, in spirit with beer15:40
tiwakethe spirit of friendship15:40
Coolgeekthe spirit of the forest15:41
tiwakescrew the forest15:41
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tiwakeanyway time to go to work15:42
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tadzikCoolgeek: I understand that reference!15:46
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GyrthWell pretty sure the yola tablet will be delayed again.17:48
Stskeepsjolla17:48
tadzikfreudian slip, when you mean one thing but mean yotaphone17:48
Stskeepsbut it would have been neat if we were YOLO17:48
merlin1991hey that's the name of my dev folder17:53
merlin1991yolophone ...17:53
kimmoliYOLLO17:53
AcceYALLU17:54
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Yaniela Jallu phone would be interesting to say the least18:07
ursHullu phone18:08
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pdanekey18:11
pdanekHey18:11
pdanekHow can I setup my Android Gmail in Jolla as default mail client?18:11
pdanekFor example the "Line" app, if I want to backup my chat history, it sends by default via E-Mail app, because that's default email and via E-Mail app, it doesn't properly attach file.18:12
pdanekSo can I force apps in Jolla to always use Gmail app as default email client?18:12
Sail0rhm Tablet for christmas :D https://blog.jolla.com/july-jolla-tablet-update/18:15
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Stskeepshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyxSerkkP4o - trippy18:36
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pdanek1Nobody please?18:53
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HtheBpdanek1: :( im sorry18:57
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coderuspdanek1: i just installed android gmail app20:42
coderusworks for android apps only20:42
coderusi know no way to use android gmail for native apps20:42
pdanek1right20:42
coderusmaybe some intents magic here20:43
coderusif you will get info then you can make it to work20:43
coderussome intent command to create compose window with file attachd20:43
pdanek1hm20:43
pdanek1let's hope for more magical Sailfish 2.020:43
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r0kk3rzi dont think anything is going to fundamentally change with sfos2.020:52
r0kk3rzaside from the ui perhaps20:52
r0kk3rzand a few things getting open sourced maybe20:52
pdanekright20:53
HtheBr0kk3rz: it does20:53
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HtheBmy fart app wont work anymore like it should :(20:53
HtheBno more pulled cover actions :(20:54
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r0kk3rzyeah not real happy about that one20:55
r0kk3rzbut they'll have lockscreen media controls instead which is ok20:55
r0kk3rzattah was working on some intents voodoo that might help you pdanek20:56
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pdanekr0kk3rz: thanks21:02
pdanekI actually never really used those cover actions21:02
r0kk3rzaside from my media player ones21:04
r0kk3rzcant say i touch them21:04
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pdanekI think everyone should seriously buy this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1861630723/take-control-of-your-sleep-with-kokoon-eeg-headpho21:25
pdanekIf not for EEG, then for best and most comfortable Bluetooth headphones available21:25
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HtheBpdanek: i see a big fail at 1:3121:30
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pdanekHtheB: That leather pouch? :D21:36
HtheByeah21:36
pdanekI agree21:36
HtheBdoesnt close :P21:36
pdanekoh21:36
pdanekI thought the look21:36
pdanekthe leather pouch looks horrible21:36
HtheBhahhaha21:37
HtheBapart from that, it doesnt close, it's too bulky21:37
pdanekthe girl on video is terrific21:37
HtheBwhile in the next shot, its like closed21:37
r0kk3rzseems like too many 'we invented our own magical this!'21:37
pdanek:D21:37
pdanekmaybe it's really magical21:38
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r0kk3rzone i can believe, two is pushing it, three? hmmmm obviously its a team of geniuses21:38
pdanek:D21:38
pdanekI pledged, not too expensive.21:38
r0kk3rzso why arent they going through normal funding channels if they're so amazing?21:39
pdanekWhy Jolla tablet wasn't?21:39
r0kk3rzmostly publicity21:41
pdanekKokoon received huge publicity with this.21:41
r0kk3rzbit of gauging the market as well i think21:41
pdanekPreviews of the Kokooon all over the internet.21:41
r0kk3rzcrowdfunding really matches jollas #peoplepowered rhetoric21:42
r0kk3rzif this kokoon thing does what it says on the tin, im sure they would have had enough media attention21:43
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HtheBpdanek: i would like to pledge21:44
HtheBbut I have -400 on my bank account :(21:45
HtheB(yes, below 0!)21:45
pdanekHtheB: I just did 10 min. ago, I watched the project for about 2 weeks, read a lot of answers from the team (answers to questions from EEG specialists etc.) and they seem solid21:45
pdanekso decided to pledge now and share my excitement with Jolla family21:45
HtheBwont work with Jolla...21:46
pdaneknormally I don't pledge much, last time TOHKBD21:46
HtheBno bluetooth with android ap21:46
HtheBapp*21:46
pdanekHtheB: wait.. whattttt?21:46
pdanekIt will be in future, right?21:46
r0kk3rzthey got their money so you dont need to pledge now21:46
HtheBno21:46
pdanekEstimated Delivery: Feb, 201621:46
pdanekwhy21:46
HtheBr0kk3rz: It will be like 50% more expensive if I will buy it later on21:47
pdanekYes, it will.21:47
pdanekMost probably.21:47
r0kk3rzit will also have reviews and things21:47
pdanekSo even if I pledge now, there is a big chance I sell it later on for not so much lower price.21:47
HtheBi could always sell it if I dont like it (if i pledge now)21:47
r0kk3rzand actually be a product you can buy, instead of maybe something that might happen21:47
HtheByeah21:47
HtheBbut Im totally broke :(21:47
HtheBand I have a baby upcoming21:48
r0kk3rzbespoke hardware projects are risky at best21:48
pdanekHtheB: Feb 2016, you think by  that time, still no Android bluetooth?21:48
pdanekWhy?21:48
pdanekr0kk3rz: they already showed the device on some London conference21:48
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pdanekreal working prototype21:48
pdanekso it's not just something that might happen21:49
r0kk3rzbelieve what you like, i'll remain skeptical21:49
HtheBi think i might sell my TOHKBD21:50
HtheBblack black carbon21:50
Obi-LanI've been trying to sell jolla and tohkbd21:51
pdanekHtheB: baby upcoming! you definitely need Kokoon to fall a sleep next year then!21:51
HtheBpdanek: haha21:52
HtheBit's getting a bit late21:53
HtheBi need it for the first couple months xD21:53
HtheB(baby coming end october)21:53
Obi-Lanfirst 6-12 months21:53
HtheBmm21:53
HtheBhmmm21:54
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HtheBdamn it21:54
HtheBnow I want to buy it21:54
HtheBmy wife is (seriously) going to kill me if I buy it :D21:54
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Obi-Lanbaby starts to sleep better after it starts to eat solid food etc21:54
Obi-Lanso that no more need to eat at night21:54
r0kk3rzhah, you wont need a eeg to tell you you're sleep deprived21:54
HtheBObi-Lan: yeah, that sounds reasonable21:54
kjetilhosounds a bit overengineered.  ear plugs cost 50 cents :-p21:56
HtheBkjetilho is the winner of the day!21:56
kjetilhoas a bonus, you'll get binaural heartbeat feedback if you push them in sufficiently deep.21:57
HtheBnow, if I want to use these headphones, what about devices like the Nintendo 3DS? it doesnt have bluetooth :(21:57
kjetilhoHtheB: "optional audio jack"21:57
HtheB3.5mm to bluetooth adapter?21:57
HtheBkjetilho: oh!21:58
Obi-Lanyou wont be gaming unless mother is willing to make all baby caring21:58
HtheBI've made some serious agreements about some stuff21:59
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HtheBso I do hope that I will be able to play :D22:00
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HtheBkjetilho: y ou know what!?22:04
HtheBI'm going to invest :)22:04
HtheBi will choose the $350 perk22:05
HtheB2 headsets22:05
pdanekwow22:05
tadzikObi-Lan: tell me more about tohkbd :)22:05
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HtheBand when it's out, i will mostly like to sell 1 for like $20022:05
HtheBor maybe $25022:05
HtheBso, that means i only payed like 100$ for it :D22:06
HtheBdoesnt that sound good?22:06
kjetilhoso, "est. delivery Feb 2016" means delivery in August 2016.22:07
kjetilhojust keep that in mind22:07
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HtheBlol22:08
kjetilhosee: Pebble, Gecko (still not working with my phone), Jolla Tablet, TOHKBD, etc.22:08
HtheBPebble's delivery with the Time was on time22:08
HtheB(that sounded so funny)22:08
r0kk3rzwell, would you buy a smart watch that was late?22:09
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pdanek:D22:11
pdanek1st Pebble was actually good product22:11
HtheBpdanek: I have the steel22:12
HtheBno sorry, I HAD the steel22:12
HtheBI had some minor problems with it22:12
HtheBgot a new one from them for 0$22:12
tadzikI still have it, I need to get it replaced22:12
HtheBthen I sold both of them, and with that money, i bought the Pebble Time Steel :p22:13
HtheBfor free22:13
HtheB(without paying extra money)22:13
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HtheBkjetilho: where do you see optional audio jack?23:27
HtheBI've looked everywhere?!?23:27
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HtheBoh, it says on the picture "optional audio jack" weird they dont mention it anywhere else?23:31
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